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10 minutes ago, Mario Kart said:

It’s like Marvels version of Hydra except the “secret club” is out in the open. 

“Hail Hydra.”

”Hail Russia.”

”Hail Corruption.”

”Hail Nationalism.”

Which is it?

Amazing.  I watched Captain America the First Avenger and Winter Soldier for the first time Sunday night.  I couldn't help but see so many similarities too.  It's unsettling. 

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I was disappointed to learn that Larry Sanders was a member of Hydra but explains why he was such a #### in Iron Man. 

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18 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ratcliffe has withdrawn from consideration from ODNI, thank goodness.

Trump says he “didn’t want to put Ratcliffe through that” lol. 

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4 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Trump says he “didn’t want to put Ratcliffe through that” lol. 

Ratcliffe was caught lying on his bio. He claimed he had experience prosecuting terrorism cases and as it turned out that was a lie.

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5 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ratcliffe has withdrawn from consideration from ODNI, thank goodness.

Only guy to be in every Pixar movie.

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3 hours ago, Sheriff Bart said:

Only guy to be in every Pixar movie.

It’s uhh a little known fact. 

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On 7/30/2019 at 5:45 PM, ren hoek said:

The "Trump Russia connections" storyline actually originated from a small neoconservative clique in Washington.  They were pushing antiRussian policy long before the 2016 elections- the Magnitsky Act, fighting ISIS in Syria, even tried to weaponize gay rights as a way to condemn Russia.  They badgered Obama for coordinating with the Russian military against ISIS in Syria.  They found Clinton to be a reliable conduit for their foreign policy brand, and Trump to be an existential threat to it.  It's hard to pinpoint exactly who this came from, but it clearly was consistent with their foreign policy views.

The Trump-Russia conspiracy theory is a madeup fabrication. It is a total falsehood.  It's a hoax.  Somebody made it up, and then news organizations mainstreamed it into the American conscience.  None of this was an accident.  None of it was an innocent mistake.  Just like WMDs in Iraq, and the news cycle's abject failure in reporting that episode, this was done to advance neoconservative goals, like sanctions with Russia, escalated tensions, a new nuclear arms race with Russia, bigger military budgets, a litany of proxy wars (Syria, Ukraine, Iran, Venezuela) that could trigger a wider conflict.  It allowed everything to be framed in terms where Vladimir Putin was basically the antichrist.  It allowed any move away from a confrontational stance by Trump to be cast as 'weak', 'returning the favor' to Putin, being a "traitor" again.  I remember very clearly when Trump was talking about pulling troops out of Syria, people immediately jumped to how it benefits the Kremlin, what a gift to Putin it was, etc.  There was a #treasonsummit hashtag for the meet in Helsinki.  It's a really simplistic and destructive worldview.  

Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as the Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

So who's in this Pentavirate?

The Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds, and Colonel Sanders before he went tets-up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee beady eyes! And that smug look on his face, "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

 Dad, how can you hate the Colonel?

Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartarse!

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11 minutes ago, the rover said:

Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as the Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

So who's in this Pentavirate?

The Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds, and Colonel Sanders before he went tets-up  kicked the bucket. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee beady eyes! And that smug look on his face, "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

 Dad, how can you hate the Colonel?

Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartarse!

 

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9 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ratcliffe was caught lying on his bio. He claimed he had experience prosecuting terrorism cases and as it turned out that was a lie.

 I thought that was a requirement for this admin.

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1 hour ago, the rover said:

Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as the Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

So who's in this Pentavirate?

The Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds, and Colonel Sanders before he went tets-up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee beady eyes! And that smug look on his face, "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

 Dad, how can you hate the Colonel?

Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartarse!

This is how Hogwarts was founded. 

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2 hours ago, the rover said:

Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as the Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

So who's in this Pentavirate?

The Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds, and Colonel Sanders before he went tets-up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee beady eyes! And that smug look on his face, "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

 Dad, how can you hate the Colonel?

Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartarse!

“Heed! Pants! Now!”

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Some more detail on the recent round of sanctions.

- It’s also worth pointing out that the law called for Trump to impose sanctions last *November.

- It was only a bipartisan push including by R Rep. McCaul who sent Trump a letter just a few days ago pointing out the lack of action had been noticed.

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59 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Some more detail on the recent round of sanctions.

- It’s also worth pointing out that the law called for Trump to impose sanctions last *November.

- It was only a bipartisan push including by R Rep. McCaul who sent Trump a letter just a few days ago pointing out the lack of action had been noticed.

#Russia's state media and government officials say that the latest round of sanctions imposed by the U.S. "demonstrates Washington's helplessness." They point out that Trump had multiple available options on the table, but picked out the ones that were largely symbolic/toothless.

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I was watching this CNN puffpiece on Mueller from February of 18, and I can tell a lot of you watch network television.  It's perfect, all the talking points are there.  It has aged so poorly.  The elevation of his personality to an almost godlike stature and complete whitewash of his history at the FBI are on display here.  Garett Graff talks like he could audition to be Mueller's personal ballwasher.  Trey Gowdy is here playing up the Mueller persona too and he knows his audience, he's really played both sides of this thing, really annoying how these people slip into whatever direction the political winds are blowing.  Really, watch the whole thing, it's embarrassing.  It's clear these news people had no idea who he really is and what he's actually capable of when they built this mythological narrative around him.  

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The change came in the space of a single news cycle. Beginning before and ending after the congressional testimony of Special Counsel Robert Mueller, the depth of America’s faith-based mania was laid bare. The Russiagate press managed to turn reality all the way around.

In the moment, while the event was being broadcast live, the assessment of the ex-FBI director’s performance as a congressional witness was nearly unanimous. Mueller was a confused, vulnerable human being, not an indefatigable force. 

“Very, very painful,” said longtime Democratic strategist David Axelrod.

“I don’t know what the #Dems were expecting from #RobertMueller, but this probably isn’t it,” tweeted Howard Fineman.

“Mueller is struggling,” former prosecutor and Mueller subordinate Glenn Kirchner commented during the event. “It strikes me as a health issue.”

This was a monstrous indictment of media. The Special Counsel’s inability to follow questions or remember key details (he was “not familiar” with oppo firm Fusion-GPS!) exploded two years of hype.

Mueller was sold in hundreds of articles and TV features as earth’s most competent human, a real-life superhero. His close-lipped manner and razor intellect supposedly presented a living antidote to our blabbermouth numbskull president, Donald Trump. He was as a character straight out of Team America, an ex-Marine FBI chief by way of St. Paul’s, Princeton, and a grad program at the University of Awesome. “Batman is back to save America,” his former FBI second Timothy Murphy said in a typical story from two years ago, describing Mueller as “the hero America needs.”

This myth died on television.

The rise and fall of superhero Robert Mueller

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How these two goofs didn’t know, or bother to find out, that Mueller was not up for the task of following difficult questions is hard to understand. Nadler and Schiff are both lawyers. A first-year law student wouldn’t put a witness on stand blind like that for a minute, let alone seven nationally-televised hours.

But they pressed on, convinced the Special Counsel could breathe new life into a case they believed had waned only because Mueller’s long report was a “dry, prosecutorial work product” that the public couldn’t or wouldn’t digest.

This in itself was crazy. Hopeful blue-staters across the country for months have indulged in readings of Mueller’s report like it was the word of God – with celebrity jackasses like Annette Bening, John Lithgow and Kevin Kline donning Rick Perry-style smart glasses to conduct televised deliverance of the gospel.

The report has been hyped plenty. It’s sold hundreds of thousands of copies and has now been on the New York Times bestseller list for thirteen weeks. In #Resistance America it’s as ubiquitous as Gideon’s Bible. What Nadler and Schiff seem to have wanted was something beyond familiarity with the work, like video of Mueller calling Trump a crook that could be used in commercials.  

Instead, they revealed something no one expected. Now we understood why the Special Counsel avoided live exchanges across two years of being one of the most famous people on earth.

When Mueller’s morning session in Nadler’s committee ended, NBC’s studio seemed like a funeral parlor.

“If, uh, Democrats were looking for a pristine ten to fifteen second sound bite that made the point they wanted to make, uh, it probably didn’t happen,” said Lester Holt.

Chuck Todd, who along with colleague Rachel Maddow has been one of the most energetic Russigate torchbearers, offered that on the bringing-Mueller-to-life front, the testimony was “a complete failure.” He added it “didn’t do anything to help” impeachment arguments.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-superhero-robert

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Russiagate isn’t just about bad reporting. It was and is a dangerous political story about rallying the public behind authoritarian maneuvers in an effort to achieve a political outcome. Republicans who battered Mueller with questions weren’t wrong. Investigators in the Russia probe made extravagant use of informants abroad (in the less-regulated counterintelligence context), lied to the FISA court, leaked classified information for political purposes, opened the cookie jar of captured electronic communications on dubious pretexts, and generally blurred the lines between counterintelligence, criminal law enforcement, and private political research in ways that should and will frighten defense lawyers everywhere.

Proponents cheered the seizure of records from Trump’s lawyer Cohen, sending a message that attorney-client privilege is a voluntary worry if the defendant is obnoxious enough. The public likewise shrugged when prosecutors trashed Maria Butina as a prostitute, because Butina a) is Russian, and b) palled around with the NRA. This case has seen would-be liberals embracing guilt by association, guilt by nationality, guilt by accusation, entrapment, secret evidence, and other concepts that were considered an anathema to progressives as recently as the War on Terror period. In the name of preventing the “sowing of discord,” they’ve even embraced censorship.

Finally, in an effort to milk the Mueller report for maximum effect, Democrats – ostensibly the party of card-carrying ACLU members – are trying to uphold a vicious new legal concept, “not exonerated.” In a moment that provided a window into the authoritarian tendencies Mueller once expressed with more fluency, the Special Counsel declined under questioning by Ohio Republican Michael Turner to reject the idea that in our legal system, “there is not power or authority to exonerate.”

This was equivalent to no-commenting a question about whether people are innocent until proven guilty. In America, prosecutors don’t declare you exonerated, you are exonerated, until someone proves otherwise. Efforts to reverse this understanding are dangerous, Trump or no Trump. It’s appalling that Democrats are backing this idea.

All these excesses have been excused on the grounds that Trump must be stopped at all costs. But you don’t challenge someone for being racist and an enemy of immigrants, the poor, and the environment by turning the federal security apparatus into a Franz Kafka theme park. It’s fighting bad with worse. 

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-superhero-robert

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4 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

Taibbi.

God, again with Taibbi. At least acknowledge his comments after Helsinki.

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

God, again with Taibbi. At least acknowledge his comments after Helsinki.

I just sent ren a PM thanking him for these articles. I had no idea he was posting excerpts here. I came in to post the same stuff. 

But I'll let him do it. Take it away, ren. 

Taibbi is pretty damning.  

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

God, again with Taibbi. At least acknowledge his comments after Helsinki.

He's a good writer.  And he's right.  Sorry bud 🤷‍♂️

What is there to acknowledge?  

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5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

God, again with Taibbi. At least acknowledge his comments after Helsinki.

Taibbi has been one of the few well-sourced observers on the beat that hasn't called things for the big guy before, and probably won't stop now. I appreciate the coverage, much like I appreciated his Wall St. coverage. He's just not going to say what people want, regardless.   

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

I just sent ren a PM thanking him for these articles. I had no idea he was posting excerpts here. I came in to post the same stuff. 

But I'll let him do it. Take it away, ren. 

Taibbi is pretty damning.  

I’ve stated my enjoyment of Taibbi before but you should also be aware of his comments about Trump possibly being compromised after Helsinki.

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Just now, rockaction said:

Taibbi has been one of the few well-sourced observers on the beat that hasn't called things for the big guy before, and probably won't stop now. I appreciate the coverage, much like I appreciated his Wall St. coverage. He's just not going to say what people want, regardless.   

I agree, but he should at least be consistent with his own prior statements.

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2 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

He's a good writer.  And he's right.  Sorry bud 🤷‍♂️

What is there to acknowledge?  

His statements about Trump possibly being involved in money laundering and even subject to compromise. 

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

His statements about Trump possibly being involved in money laundering and even subject to compromise. 

That's fine. If it's true, then that's really important. I've said from the beginning that I want everything to come out. That means if the president of our country is compromised, then I want to know that. I just don't want partisan hysteria to cast a net that tramples procedure or that justifies all ends despite means taken to achieve said ends. There has to be a line drawn somewhere lest we completely hamstring every president from here on out.  

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

His statements about Trump possibly being involved in money laundering and even subject to compromise. 

I have Saints.  Like, a lot:

On 5/18/2018 at 2:12 PM, ren hoek said:

I don't think anyone doubts Trump has been involved with some sort of money laundering/financial crimes.  Frankly I'd be surprised if he wasn't.  

 

On 5/18/2018 at 6:16 PM, ren hoek said:

As far as the money trail, I think it would have more to do with money laundering in real estate than anything else, but I'm open to being proven wrong if it comes out that way.  Again, very bad, but not really inline with the 'treasoner in chief' stuff.  

 

On 10/24/2018 at 1:30 PM, ren hoek said:

I'm not here saying Trump is innocent.  As I've mentioned before, I wouldn't be surprised if they uncover some money laundering or something.  But that's a far cry from 'Trump colluded with the Russians and is beholden to a foreign power" or whatever.  No.  He's just a corrupt ### hole

 

On 1/18/2019 at 2:42 PM, ren hoek said:

No, I agree. There is probably potential money laundering stuff, porn star payments stuff, some of the backdoor stuff Flynn did with Israel/Turkey etc., stuff that is wholly unrelated to collusion that Trump wants to keep covered up.  

Are you or anyone else ever going to acknowledge how destructive this Russia stuff has been on our political discourse and civic wellbeing? 

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3 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

I have Saints.  Like, a lot:

 

 

 

Are you or anyone else ever going to acknowledge how destructive this Russia stuff has been on our political discourse and civic wellbeing? 

Yes...Trump and his campaigns dealing with Russia, lying about its contacts with Russia, Russia’s interference with our election, and the lack of backbone in the Senate to deal with it has been very destructive. Also destructive are those that take the word of Putin and Assange over that of American intelligence

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33 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

I have Saints.  Like, a lot:

On 5/18/2018 at 1:12 PM, ren hoek said:

I appreciate you taking the trouble to pull these responses, but I was talking bout Taibbi himself having specifically referenced these things.

But given your posts elsewhere, acknowledging apparently Putin's reliance on such things and Trump's embroilment in such things, why the mockery of instances of people raising just that, even dating so far back as in 2015-16?

And good lord, crap like this:

1 hour ago, ren hoek said:

Proponents cheered the seizure of records from Trump’s lawyer Cohen, sending a message that attorney-client privilege is a voluntary worry if the defendant is obnoxious enough.

Trump hired a Manhattan law firm just to litigate this for Cohen. A federal judge reviewed these at great cost to the government and Cohen. And then after looking at it the judge saw that Cohen wasn't providing attorney services at all but instead was enmeshed in bag man duties and personal majordomo role, Trump dropped him, left him holding the costs of handling Trump's dirty work. 

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40 minutes ago, ren hoek said:

Are you or anyone else ever going to acknowledge how destructive this Russia stuff has been on our political discourse and civic wellbeing? 

I have no idea how many times I have to point to the report and quote from it. I rely on its findings and I trust in it, including the campaign-state findings on coordination/conspiracy. 

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51 minutes ago, rockaction said:

That's fine. If it's true, then that's really important. I've said from the beginning that I want everything to come out. That means if the president of our country is compromised, then I want to know that. I just don't want partisan hysteria to cast a net that tramples procedure or that justifies all ends despite means taken to achieve said ends. There has to be a line drawn somewhere lest we completely hamstring every president from here on out.  

I don't think constant obstruction by Trump to learn the truth is "hysteria".  How about we get a peak at his tax returns to start. Seriously, if there's nothing there, what's the big deal? 

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19 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

 

And good lord, crap like this:

Trump hired a Manhattan law firm just to litigate this for Cohen. A federal judge reviewed these at great cost to the government and Cohen. And then after looking at it the judge saw that Cohen wasn't providing attorney services at all but instead was enmeshed in bag man duties and personal majordomo role, Trump dropped him, left him holding the costs of handling Trump's dirty work. 

It does appear to display a less-than-comprehensive understanding of the facts, the law, and the concept of "attorney-client privilege."

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56 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

Jeff Stein replied

JUST IN: US Ambassador to Russia Jon Huntsman resigns (link: https://cnn.it/2KozXzC) cnn.it/2KozXzC

Putin and Trump discussed this via call just a few days ago.

Huntsman seemed to have been largely unused and circumvented during his term.

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Putin and Trump discussed this via call just a few days ago.

Huntsman seemed to have been largely unused and circumvented during his term.

I wonder if Putin gave Trump a list of names he approved of?

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Just now, Bucky86 said:

I wonder if Putin gave Trump a list of names he approved of?

I dunno, I'd like to put a laughing emoji but the State department didn't even issue a readout on that discussion until after TASS reported it in Russia. In short, it's not even clear the WH told his own IC or State department about the call.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/world/europe/sweden-immigration-nationalism.html

RINKEBY, Sweden — Johnny Castillo, a Peruvian-born neighborhood watchman in this district of Stockholm, still puzzles over the strange events that two years ago turned the central square of this predominantly immigrant community into a symbol of multiculturalism run amok.

First came a now-infamous comment by President Trump, suggesting that Sweden’s history of welcoming refugees was at the root of a violent attack in Rinkeby the previous evening, even though nothing had actually happened.

“You look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden! Who would believe this? Sweden!” Mr. Trump told supporters at a rally on Feb. 18, 2017. “They took in large numbers. They’re having problems like they never thought possible.”

The president’s source: Fox News, which had excerpted a short film promoting a dystopian view of Sweden as a victim of its asylum policies, with immigrant neighborhoods crime-ridden “no-go zones.”

But two days later, as Swedish officials were heaping bemused derision on Mr. Trump, something did in fact happen in Rinkeby: Several dozen masked men attacked police officers making a drug arrest, throwing rocks and setting cars ablaze.

And it was right around that time, according to Mr. Castillo and four other witnesses, that Russian television crews showed up, offering to pay immigrant youths “to make trouble” in front of the cameras.

“They wanted to show that President Trump is right about Sweden,” Mr. Castillo said, “that people coming to Europe are terrorists and want to disturb society.”

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There is another curious Russian common denominator: Six of Sweden’s alt-right sites have drawn advertising revenue from a network of online auto-parts stores based in Germany and owned by four businessmen from Russia and Ukraine, three of whom have adopted German-sounding surnames.

The ads were first noticed by the Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter, which discovered that while they appeared to be for a variety of outlets, all traced back to the same Berlin address and were owned by a parent company, Autodoc GmbH.

The New York Times found that the company had also placed ads on anti-Semitic and other extremist sites in Germany, Hungary, Austria and elsewhere in Europe.

Rikard Lindholm, co-founder of a data-driven marketing firm who has worked with Swedish authorities to combat disinformation, dug deeper into the Autodoc network.

Hidden beneath the user-friendly interface of some of the earliest Autodoc sites lay what Mr Lindholm, an expert in the forensic analysis of online traffic, described as “icebergs” of blog-like content completely unrelated to auto parts, translated into a variety of languages. A visitor to one of the car-parts sites could not simply access this content from the home page; instead, one had to know and type in the full URL.

 

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Hope Hicks’ Attorney says she wasn’t calling Michael Cohen about Stormy Daniels on October 8. She was calling about the (alleged) pee tape.

- This has been noted but now Hicks’ lawyers are saying it plainly, the sex tape rumor was already circulating before Steele.

- And Trump was on the call about it.

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3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Hope Hicks’ Attorney says she wasn’t calling Michael Cohen about Stormy Daniels on October 8. She was calling about the (alleged) pee tape.

- This has been noted but now Hicks’ lawyers are saying it plainly, the sex tape rumor was already circulating before Steele.

- And Trump was on the call about it.

Trump clearly believes Russia has kompromat on him...whether they do or they do not. 

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3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Hope Hicks’ Attorney says she wasn’t calling Michael Cohen about Stormy Daniels on October 8. She was calling about the (alleged) pee tape.

- This has been noted but now Hicks’ lawyers are saying it plainly, the sex tape rumor was already circulating before Steele.

- And Trump was on the call about it.

"And now, to the compromising material," he said. "Yeah, I did hear these rumors that we allegedly collected compromising material on Mr. Trump when he was visiting Moscow. Well, distinguished colleague, let me tell you this: When President Trump was at Moscow back then, I didn't even know that he was in Moscow. I treat President Trump with utmost respect, but back then when he was a private individual, a businessman, nobody informed me that he was in Moscow."

Putin then segued to all the rich and powerful people who visit Russia and how he can't keep track of them.

"Well, let's take St. Petersburg Economic Forum, for instance," Putin said, referencing an annual event for bigwigs. "There were over 500 American businessmen, high-ranking, high-level ones. I don't even remember the last names of each and every one of them. Well, do you remember -- do you think that we try to collect compromising material on each and every single one of them? Well, it's difficult to imagine an utter nonsense of a bigger scale than this. Well, please, just disregard these issues and don't think about this anymore again."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/kompromat-russia-trump/index.html

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47 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The FEC has been crumbling for years and neither party cares, so I'm not surprised the the FEC's inaction.

https://www.issueone.org/busted-broke-why-the-federal-election-commission-doesnt-work/

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Overstock CEO resigns after crazy press release revealing affair with Maria Butina

>>Mr. Byrne said in a separate interview that he had met Ms. Butina at a libertarian convention in Las Vegas in 2015. Over the course of their relationship, he said, Ms. Butina spoke increasingly about meeting or seeking to meet people involved in the campaigns of Hillary Clinton, President Trump and others. That, he said, had made him wary. He eventually began communicating with the F.B.I. about his interactions with her.<<

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6 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Overstock CEO resigns after crazy press release revealing affair with Maria Butina

>>Mr. Byrne said in a separate interview that he had met Ms. Butina at a libertarian convention in Las Vegas in 2015. Over the course of their relationship, he said, Ms. Butina spoke increasingly about meeting or seeking to meet people involved in the campaigns of Hillary Clinton, President Trump and others. That, he said, had made him wary. He eventually began communicating with the F.B.I. about his interactions with her.<<

this is him on Fox *explaining* things

 this is him on Fox clarifying things further

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