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Bears WR coach said something to the effect today that while Miller is gifted, the kid is still very raw. He doesn't understand the intricacies of the position - much less the offense -  fully yet. I'm not sure whether to be encouraged or concerned. He's got to be a student of the game if he's going to take his game to the next level. This should come with time, of course, but it should be monitored. Route running is as important as the catches at this point for him.

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2 hours ago, tombonneau said:

Wow that is a thorough breakdown. Either Chicago secondary is the worst in the league or Miller is competing with Barkley for ROY. 

Chicago has a very good secondary 

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2 hours ago, tombonneau said:

Wow that is a thorough breakdown. Either Chicago secondary is the worst in the league or Miller is competing with Barkley for ROY. 

According to piff the Bears secondary players rated really high.

Not sure why that didn't show up on the score board though and this is one of those things where I disagree with their charting. Fuller is ok but not as good as I saw they rated him recently.

Miller is very good, the secondary is better than some teams and as an overall defense I think the Bears are above average.

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13 minutes ago, Biabreakable said:

According to piff the Bears secondary players rated really high.

Not sure why that didn't show up on the score board though and this is one of those things where I disagree with their charting. Fuller is ok but not as good as I saw they rated him recently.

Miller is very good, the secondary is better than some teams and as an overall defense I think the Bears are above average.

Also, training camp is very slanted toward wide receivers. It's why you see a lot of rookies blowing up in camp but not in regular season. 

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3 minutes ago, flapgreen said:

Also, training camp is very slanted toward wide receivers. It's why you see a lot of rookies blowing up in camp but not in regular season. 

correct, defenses are told to lay off with big hits, qb pressure etc...sets up well for WRs, but isn't reality.  

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On 8/6/2018 at 2:22 PM, King of the Jungle said:

I do get a OBJ vibe watching him play. I am trying to maintain my composure though as I tend to get over excited about rooks.

Choo Choo!!!!

Tex

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3 hours ago, saintfool said:

Bears WR coach said something to the effect today that while Miller is gifted, the kid is still very raw. He doesn't understand the intricacies of the position - much less the offense -  fully yet. I'm not sure whether to be encouraged or concerned. He's got to be a student of the game if he's going to take his game to the next level. This should come with time, of course, but it should be monitored. Route running is as important as the catches at this point for him.

Lol, can’t rain on this parade! 

Tex

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Has he earned the role of 1st wide receiver taken in dynasty rookie drafts? Or is Moore/Sutton still top draw? 

I’ve heard owners say they would take him late 1st if not early 2nd in standard scoring leagues.....

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32 minutes ago, SleepyIDP said:

Has he earned the role of 1st wide receiver taken in dynasty rookie drafts? Or is Moore/Sutton still top draw? 

I’ve heard owners say they would take him late 1st if not early 2nd in standard scoring leagues.....

Moore is talented, Sutton is well...(Hype). I’d take Miller #1 and plan to do so in the middle of the 1st.

Tex

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33 minutes ago, SleepyIDP said:

Has he earned the role of 1st wide receiver taken in dynasty rookie drafts? Or is Moore/Sutton still top draw? 

I’ve heard owners say they would take him late 1st if not early 2nd in standard scoring leagues.....

I am really interested in this question being in a very shallow 10 team contract league where you can essentially pick a rookie (except Barkley) for fairly cheap and keep for 5 years. Torn between Moore, Ridley, Miller and Sutton. Most rankings still have Ridley first but I haven’t seen a lot of fbg chat on him.....

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40 minutes ago, SleepyIDP said:

Has he earned the role of 1st wide receiver taken in dynasty rookie drafts? Or is Moore/Sutton still top draw? 

I’ve heard owners say they would take him late 1st if not early 2nd in standard scoring leagues.....

It's a toss up between Miller and Sutton.  Sutton is the talk of the town on sports radio here in Denver.

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Amazing how a hype train can build in a couple of weeks. Suddenly people are lining up to proclaim him the best rookie WR in the class after pretty much ignoring him (for the most part) since the draft. I'm curious to see if it's justified but colour me a little sceptical.  

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37 minutes ago, RushHour said:

Amazing how a hype train can build in a couple of weeks. Suddenly people are lining up to proclaim him the best rookie WR in the class after pretty much ignoring him (for the most part) since the draft. I'm curious to see if it's justified but colour me a little sceptical.  

I had him as my top WR before the draft. His camp performance is just validating my ranking. ;)

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I like this guy a lot! And I expect him to be productive over his career--eventually becoming a fantasy WR2 I hope. But. I do not expect him to be as good as OBJ nor do I think it likely he leads the team in targets as a rookie. They hype has even exceeded me.

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3 hours ago, RushHour said:

Amazing how a hype train can build in a couple of weeks. Suddenly people are lining up to proclaim him the best rookie WR in the class after pretty much ignoring him (for the most part) since the draft. I'm curious to see if it's justified but colour me a little sceptical.  

A down year for WRs seems to have several good WRs. 

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12 hours ago, saintfool said:

Bears WR coach said something to the effect today that while Miller is gifted, the kid is still very raw. He doesn't understand the intricacies of the position - much less the offense -  fully yet. I'm not sure whether to be encouraged or concerned. He's got to be a student of the game if he's going to take his game to the next level. This should come with time, of course, but it should be monitored. Route running is as important as the catches at this point for him.

Lol...

Still, receivers coach Mike Furrey said, what Miller needs to learn most is the toughest trait to teach a rookie: patience.

“[He’s] like a jackrabbit running around,” Furrey said. “I don’t even know where he’s going half the time. . . . You’ve got to be patient. Understand the concepts. Understand the speed. Understand what you’re supposed to do. Understand why. The big picture of why we’re doing what we’re doing. That’s a struggle.”

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It's actually gratifying to hear his own coaches clamp the brakes on his hype machine. The guy clearly has a lot of talent, but it's not the first time a guy has dominated his own team's practices yet finds it much harder sledding when consistently facing high-quality CBs when the game matter. If he flashes in the preseason games and then into the regular season, then the hype was obviously for real.

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25 minutes ago, King of the Jungle said:

Lol...

Still, receivers coach Mike Furrey said, what Miller needs to learn most is the toughest trait to teach a rookie: patience.

“[He’s] like a jackrabbit running around,” Furrey said. “I don’t even know where he’s going half the time. . . . You’ve got to be patient. Understand the concepts. Understand the speed. Understand what you’re supposed to do. Understand why. The big picture of why we’re doing what we’re doing. That’s a struggle.”

Mike Furrey. Now there's a name I haven't heard in a looooooog time.

#alecguinnessvoice

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3 hours ago, tombonneau said:

Mike Furrey. Now there's a name I haven't heard in a looooooog time.

#alecguinnessvoice

You can save on coaches because he can coach safety too!

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3 hours ago, tombonneau said:

Mike Furrey. Now there's a name I haven't heard in a looooooog time.

#alecguinnessvoice

Totally forgot he had one of the biggest out of nowhere seasons in recent memory: 98-1086-6 in 2006 with the Lions alongside Roy Williams. Megatron entered the league the following year.

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6 hours ago, King of the Jungle said:

"You’ve got to be patient. Understand the concepts. Understand the speed. Understand what you’re supposed to do. Understand why. The big picture of why we’re doing what we’re doing. That’s a struggle.”

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18 hours ago, SleepyIDP said:

Has he earned the role of 1st wide receiver taken in dynasty rookie drafts? Or is Moore/Sutton still top draw? 

I’ve heard owners say they would take him late 1st if not early 2nd in standard scoring leagues.....

To me they are all the same tier of WR with an outlook of the next 3 years, I think all of their upside is a WR two for fantasy if things go well but to me they are somewhat interchangeable. 

Miller is getting buzz right now and that is what you want if your intent is to trade the player in their first season, or to at least have a player who is productive enough to actually get something good for in trade.

It is very short term thinking, but I could see taking Miller if you are looking for more instant impact. There are related factors such as what you think of Trubisky the coaching staff and the direction of the team right now. I like Trubisky a lot and I hope he takes a big step forward this season. Being realistic though, he may still be a couple seasons away from putting up really good numbers that could make a WR from the Bears compete for top 12 at WR. I think this is also true for the other WR as well though, Moore has a lot of competition for targets and Cams accuracy means the player needs more targets to produce a lot of receptions it requires to be a top 12 WR for fantasy. Sutton maybe has Case Keenum?

You are drafting the QB too. Anyhow I do feel more confident in Miller because of the positive reports, but it isn't really enough for me to change how I ranked these guys back in May. I expected Miller to be good right away.

Here is how I ranked them last time I did in May.

Tier 2

Calvin Ridley 25 Falcons
Royce Freeman 71 Broncos
Kerryon Johnson 43 Lions
DJ Moore 24 Panthers
Anthony Miller 51 Bears
Christian Kirk 47 Cardinals
Josh Rosen 10 Cardinals
Baker Mayfield 1 Browns
Michael Gallup 81 Cowboys
Courtland Sutton 40 Broncos
Dante Pettis 44 49ers
Trequan Smith 91 Saints
James Washington 60 Steelers
Sam Darnold 3 Jets
Josh Allen  7 Bills
Dallas Goedert 49 Eagles
Hayden Hurst 25 Ravens
Ian Thomas 101 Panthers
Mark Andrews 86 Ravens

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The Chicago Tribune reports second-round WR Anthony Miller is locking down slot duties in camp.

Per reporter Rich Campbell, Miller has been as advertised, displaying route-running chops, strong hands and competitiveness at the catch point, all the while "overflowing with flair and confidence." Miller's hype started up in rookie OTAs and has continued unabated since. A lot will depend on Mitchell Trubisky's sophomore development, but Miller has a real chance at being a re-draft league factor.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/13152/anthony-miller

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Rotoworld take:

Anthony Miller registered three catches for 33 yards on four targets Saturday in the Bears’ third preseason game against the Broncos.

All of Miller’s work came in the first half. The rookie earned his first catch on a 19-yard strike from Mitchell Trubisky with just over a minute remaining in the first quarter. He also hooked up with backup Chase Daniel for a 13-yard grab on Chicago’s final drive of the first half. The Memphis product has quickly asserted himself as the Bears’ primary slot receiver and makes for a great late-round stab in all formats.

Aug 19 - 1:23 PM

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haven't read a lot on him here....what are the thoughts from Bear fans and from camp?  He's earned himself a starting position, correct?

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31 minutes ago, Banger said:

haven't read a lot on him here....what are the thoughts from Bear fans and from camp?  He's earned himself a starting position, correct?

Best WR in the 2018 draft.

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26 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Best WR in the 2018 draft.

happy to hear that since I drafted him with my last pick.

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4 hours ago, Banger said:

haven't read a lot on him here....what are the thoughts from Bear fans and from camp?  He's earned himself a starting position, correct?

Great route runner.  Great hands and body control. Playing from the slot. Should be an easy transition to the NFL. Probably a year away from great numbers 

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43 minutes ago, flapgreen said:

Great route runner.  Great hands and body control. Playing from the slot. Should be an easy transition to the NFL. Probably a year away from great numbers 

This rookie WR class could be dynamite: Miller, Sutton, Washington, Gallup, etc... 

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46 minutes ago, mere blitzianity said:

This rookie WR class could be dynamite: Miller, Sutton, Washington, Gallup, etc... 

And way less hype coming out. 

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3 minutes ago, mere blitzianity said:

Not to hijack the thread, but which of the above should have the greatest impact this year? 

Miller. He has no competition. he's already their best WR. He was their best guy once the drafted him. Gabriel is no competition and neither is White. Gallup has no QB. Sutton has 2 guys in his way. Washington as well.

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2 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Miller. He has no competition. he's already their best WR. He was their best guy once the drafted him. Gabriel is no competition and neither is White.

What about Robinson?

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7 minutes ago, mere blitzianity said:

Not to hijack the thread, but which of the above should have the greatest impact this year? 

Washington and Sutton probably won't not get a shot at starting in 2 wide sets this year short of injuries. It's a coin toss on the others as far as opportunities imo and both Miller and Gallup have crap QB's. But at least both will get the opportunity to move up the ranks. Miller - Gallup - Washington - Sutton.

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23 minutes ago, mere blitzianity said:

Not to hijack the thread, but which of the above should have the greatest impact this year?

Gallup, Sutton, Washington, Miller in that order.

I love Miller and his magnet hands but he should at least be behind Robinson and Burton in the pecking order and I doubt Trubisky attempts enough passes this year to make anyone past Robinson and Burton super relevant from a fantasy standpoint. 

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2 hours ago, Chaka said:

What about Robinson?

He's ok but I'm super high on Miller.

 

2 hours ago, SameSongNDance said:

Gallup, Sutton, Washington, Miller in that order.

I love Miller and his magnet hands but he should at least be behind Robinson and Burton in the pecking order and I doubt Trubisky attempts enough passes this year to make anyone past Robinson and Burton super relevant from a fantasy standpoint. 

Sutton, Miller, Washington, Gallup.

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3 minutes ago, lod001 said:

He's ok but I'm super high on Miller.

 

Sutton, Miller, Washington, Gallup.

I'm not drafting any of these guys but only one of them has a legitimate chance to lead his team in targets this year sans injury. And it's not Sutton..

or Miller..

or Washington..

Volume is king.

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2 hours ago, Chaka said:

What about Robinson?

 

2 minutes ago, lod001 said:

He's ok but I'm super high on Miller.

You are super high on him enough to think he's no competition for Miller. That seems like you may be super high on something more than Miller.

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4 minutes ago, lod001 said:

He's ok but I'm super high on Miller.

 

Sutton, Miller, Washington, Gallup.

 Miller, Sutton, Gallup, Washington (only reason Washington is behind Gallup is because of Brown and Ju-Ju presence)

 

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8 minutes ago, Chaka said:

 

You are super high on him enough to think he's no competition for Miller. That seems like you may be super high on something more than Miller.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Robinson doesn't scare me. I think Miller gets more targets as the season progresses.

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19 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

 Miller, Sutton, Gallup, Washington (only reason Washington is behind Gallup is because of Brown and Ju-Ju presence)

 

I passed on all those guys to take Miller.

Tex

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14 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Robinson doesn't scare me. I think Miller gets more targets as the season progresses.

Taylor Gabriel is his immediate problem.

I like Miller a ton, but he's going to be fighting for snaps. Factor in White (who's been playing pretty well and would be a big red zone threat) and maybe Wims, and god help us but Bellamy always manages to be on the field somehow. Plus you have 2 pretty good pass catching tight ends... oh and Cohen. There are just a lot of mouths to feed on an offense that might not be very efficient anyway. 

If Miller is going to have any real fantasy value outside of best ball leagues, he has to beat out Grabriel, and thats no lock. Miller has a way higher ceiling, but rookies make mistakes, and mistakes lead to turnovers. Nagy may want to ease him in this season, and with all these options, thats just not a recipe for fantasy success in my mind.

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