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13 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Whom am I supposedly echoing? There is not a single right-wing spot i go to to even echo from.      

read what I actually wrote

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22 minutes ago, Skoo said:

I'm pretty sure you're one of them.

You might not agree with her politics, but you clearly love having her as a punching bag. Hence your 9,000 posts in this thread.

So if this is the case there sure are a ton of  posters here who think Trump is the greatest thing ever, right?

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1 minute ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

So if this is the case there sure are a ton of  posters here who think Trump is the greatest thing ever, right?

Fair point, however my argument would be that what the leader of the free world says and does is about a million times more consequential than a freshman congresswoman.

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18 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

There's an awful lot of people interested in defending someone who's just an unimportant freshman congress woman.   Odd they would spend so much time in this thread protecting someone that is meaningless.

Exactly. She isn't even really popular. 

A poll released Thursday shows freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., is facing negative reviews from voters.

The Quinnipiac University survey, which also included multiple questions about various issues and figures in the Democratic Party, shows 36 percent of respondents gave Ocasio-Cortez an unfavorable rating while 23 gave her a favorable one. Thirty-eight percent said they didn't know enough about her.

Thirty-six percent of respondents said Ocasio-Cortez is a bad influence on the party while 33 percent of voters said she was a good influence.

 The only age group in which she registered positive favorability numbers was among likely voters aged 18-34. Among millennials, she received a 35 percent favorable rating compared to to 23 percent unfavorable.

"All is definitely not A-OK for AOC. Most voters either don't like the firebrand freshman Congresswoman or don't know who she is," Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said in a statement after the poll was released.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-poll-shows-aoc-in-trouble%3f_amp=true

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25 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

I wish they would repeal his tax cuts and allow more immigrants in.  Trump is a lame duck IMHO.  

But he his running foreign policy .  He has more power than AOC and is doing more damage.

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Is there anybody in this thread who seriously questions whether the President of the United States has more power than a single member of congress?  

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10 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

Do you think people in her district have prepared and eaten more yucca or cauliflower?

Cauliflower and I don’t think they grow in the same climates. I think her random top of the head example wasn’t a great example but I agree with her sentiment. Also yucca isn’t just for eating, it’s more often just decorative. I don’t know the exact demographic of the green space she’s referring to. 

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11 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

So if this is the case there sure are a ton of  posters here who think Trump is the greatest thing ever, right?

I do kind of think Trump is an exemplar of what can go wrong. I'm leaving Trump as a president and who he is out of this specific point. Some Dems were pretty pleased with Trump's ascendancy because he was such an unlikable person, so they were happy to put him out as the face of the Republican party. But promotion is promotion and he ultimately thrived in that glare. The GOP should also be careful promoting someone who is basically just a frosh from a deep blue district who typically wouldn't have much influence or power.

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I don’t think she is a genius or some amazing politician. She’s just a rookie and has had some major bumps. However, I find the quest to knitpick and find fault in everything she does so annoying considering she hasn’t done anything yet.

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6 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Cauliflower and I don’t think they grow in the same climates. I think her random top of the head example wasn’t a great example but I agree with her sentiment. Also yucca isn’t just for eating, it’s more often just decorative. I don’t know the exact demographic of the green space she’s referring to. 

Cauliflower seems to be a favorite of gluton-free vegan types often used as a flour subsitute.  But it is widely available and is probably a food that is eaten quite often by all groups.   

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1 hour ago, The Commish said:

It's like I am watching people get worked up over a freshman congresswoman and her pie in the sky vision of the future vs getting worked up a current threat to our democracy.  Let's be honest, the people aren't doing both, so that excuse doesn't fly.  It's quite Twilight Zone - esque to watch people who incessantly whine about the "echo chamber" allowing that very "echo chamber" to drive their focus.  

I personally think the current ideology being stated by the President is quite radical, like in a Leninist sense. 

If you look at the Bloomberg piece the worst or most controversial thing Cortez is says is that capitalism is irredeemable. Ok, then she says some other stuff like corporations control our government. I could point to Churchill who said that democracy is completely unworkable but it's the best system we've got. Or similar statements over the last  years about the failings of capitalism. The mark of a socialist or communist is the method to resolve that.

Now, take Trump. Trump - right now - is proposing that the executive branch is not answerable to Congress. He just declared a national emergency because he claims he is not beholden to the appropriations clause of the Constitution. This is a man who daily puts the full weight of the presidency towards negating Congressional power and attacking the free press. Personally the only thing I can think that compares is what Chavez did in Venezuela. If anyone wants to battle me on that, fine, I'm not being hyperbolic. The essence of Maduro's argument right now is that the executive branch in VZ is a separate power base not beholden to the Assembly or the constitutionally appointed courts.

I really don't know what is Cortez's end theory for resolving these well known negative effects of capitalism, but I don't get the sense it is anything nearly as radical as that.

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3 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

I don’t think she is a genius or some amazing politician. She’s just a rookie and has had some major bumps. However, I find the quest to knitpick and find fault in everything she does so annoying considering she hasn’t done anything yet.

She was very influentual in the Amazon fiasco.  She is setting the agenda for the presidential election.  She spews out a lot of divisive rheotic which gets tons of coverage.  She is constantly putting out outrageous statements, it is hardly nitpicking.

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9 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I personally think the current ideology being stated by the President is quite radical, like in a Leninist sense. 

If you look at the Bloomberg piece the worst or most controversial thing Cortez is says is that capitalism is irredeemable. Ok, then she says some other stuff like corporations control our government. I could point to Churchill who said that democracy is completely unworkable but it's the best system we've got. Or similar statements over the last  years about the failings of capitalism. The mark of a socialist or communist is the method to resolve that.

Now, take Trump. Trump - right now - is proposing that the executive branch is not answerable to Congress. He just declared a national emergency because he claims he is not beholden to the appropriations clause of the Constitution. This is a man who daily puts the full weight of the presidency towards negating Congressional power and attacking the free press. Personally the only thing I can think that compares is what Chavez did in Venezuela. If anyone wants to battle me on that, fine, I'm not being hyperbolic. The essence of Maduro's argument right now is that the executive branch in VZ is a separate power base not beholden to the Assembly or the constitutionally appointed courts.

I really don't know what is Cortez's end theory for resolving these well known negative effects of capitalism, but I don't get the sense it is anything nearly as radical as that.

:goodposting:

 

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43 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Actually agree with this too...bizarre from both the attack and defense positions here.

I think there are certainly things worth defending that people seem extra sensitive over.   Her tweeting not so much and plenty of her ideas deserve criticism and her shoot from the hip mentality.

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10 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

She was very influentual in the Amazon fiasco.  She is setting the agenda for the presidential election.  She spews out a lot of divisive rheotic which gets tons of coverage.  She is constantly putting out outrageous statements, it is hardly nitpicking.

She is?

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14 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I personally think the current ideology being stated by the President is quite radical, like in a Leninist sense. 

If you look at the Bloomberg piece the worst or most controversial thing Cortez is says is that capitalism is irredeemable. Ok, then she says some other stuff like corporations control our government. I could point to Churchill who said that democracy is completely unworkable but it's the best system we've got. Or similar statements over the last  years about the failings of capitalism. The mark of a socialist or communist is the method to resolve that.

Now, take Trump. Trump - right now - is proposing that the executive branch is not answerable to Congress. He just declared a national emergency because he claims he is not beholden to the appropriations clause of the Constitution. This is a man who daily puts the full weight of the presidency towards negating Congressional power and attacking the free press. Personally the only thing I can think that compares is what Chavez did in Venezuela. If anyone wants to battle me on that, fine, I'm not being hyperbolic. The essence of Maduro's argument right now is that the executive branch in VZ is a separate power base not beholden to the Assembly or the constitutionally appointed courts.

I really don't know what is Cortez's end theory for resolving these well known negative effects of capitalism, but I don't get the sense it is anything nearly as radical as that.

Trump is a loony, but he is still bound by all the rules.  Trump will lose in court like he usually does.  Our Democracy is safe.  Trump is no Chavez.  

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18 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

She was very influentual in the Amazon fiasco.  She is setting the agenda for the presidential election.  She spews out a lot of divisive rheotic which gets tons of coverage.  She is constantly putting out outrageous statements, it is hardly nitpicking.

Amazon was a screw up. Talking about planting yucca? Not sure why that’s newsworthy.

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Just now, Ilov80s said:

Amazon was a screw up. Talking about planting yucca? Not sure why that’s newsworthy.

because it is silly, like many of her statements which she methodically puts out daily to stay in the news.

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Just now, jon_mx said:

yes.  ....she.... is.  

First 2 links...you see that first name listed there.  That should be your hint that she isn’t.

The third is a laughable opinion piece that doesn’t talk about her setting it even shaping the agenda...just that two progressives may seek her followers.

 

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Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did not appear onstage together Monday night when they took their turns at the mic roughly 45 minutes apart during the rally for the Green New Deal, nor did either mention the other by name. But merely being present in the same auditorium at roughly the same time was enough to spark chatter. Sanders, according to the original headline of a Politico article published right before he delivered his speech, is in “hot pursuit” of AOC’s endorsement. So too, according to the report, is Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

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3 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Amazon was a screw up. Talking about planting yucca? Not sure why that’s newsworthy.

Because why criticize a guy ignoring congress starting trade wars that hurt our farmers and citizens...and is trying to start a war with Iran when you can just quickly say he is loony and then nitpick AOC over and over and over again

 

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1 minute ago, sho nuff said:

First 2 links...you see that first name listed there.  That should be your hint that she isn’t.

The third is a laughable opinion piece that doesn’t talk about her setting it even shaping the agenda...just that two progressives may seek her followers.

 

:lmao:....she is in the headlines with two of the top three Democratic candidates signing up to her plans looking for her endorsement.  You are impossible.

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1 minute ago, jon_mx said:

 

 

Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did not appear onstage together Monday night when they took their turns at the mic roughly 45 minutes apart during the rally for the Green New Deal, nor did either mention the other by name. But merely being present in the same auditorium at roughly the same time was enough to spark chatter. Sanders, according to the original headline of a Politico article published right before he delivered his speech, is in “hot pursuit” of AOC’s endorsement. So too, according to the report, is Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

According to the headline of an article wants and endorsement.  Yet you skip over where he didn’t appear with her or even mention her name.

That part wasn’t important but a headline elsewhere was the key?

:lmao:

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Just now, jon_mx said:

:lmao:....she is in the headlines with two of the top three Democratic candidates signing up to her plans looking for her endorsement.  You are impossible.

In the headlines does not equal setting an agenda for an election Jon...that is a ridiculous stretch.  Neither is going for an endorsement.  Just completely illogical.

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13 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Trump is a loony, but he is still bound by all the rules.  Trump will lose in court like he usually does.  Our Democracy is safe.  Trump is no Chavez.  

Sorry, redo, I didn't mean to be critical. Deleted my post.

I don't think how we treat public officials should be based on their chances of success in going about wrecking our system which they explicitly state they are going to try to do. - If Cortez said, 'capitalism is irredeemable, therefore we need to begin seizing property to balance inequities' would it make sense to tolerate her simply because the courts would never permit it? Hell no.

Trump has also had mixed results, this book isn't finished being written yet.

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10 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Amazon was a screw up. Talking about planting yucca? Not sure why that’s newsworthy.

Because she referred to growing cauliflower instead of yucca as an example of colonialism. If she was from AZ you could maybe try to find a way to give her a pass on such a statement. 

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

The question is why is she such a focus of attention? 

Like many who go into politics she is a creature that feeds not on food, but on attention.  She has a fast metabolism and needs lots of attention or she will starve.  Now is she the biggest feeder at the attention buffet, not hardly.  She does, however, have an impressive appetite for such a petite young thing.  

 

maybe she is in a growth spurt and needs extra nourishment.

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14 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Like many who go into politics she is a creature that feeds not on food, but on attention.  She has a fast metabolism and needs lots of attention or she will starve.  Now is she the biggest feeder at the attention buffet, not hardly.  She does, however, have an impressive appetite for such a petite young thing.  

 

maybe she is in a growth spurt and needs extra nourishment.

It’s certainly mutualism. 

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15 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Because she referred to growing cauliflower instead of yucca as an example of colonialism. If she was from AZ you could maybe try to find a way to give her a pass on such a statement. 

She was referring to the overarching idea and not a specific garden in Brooklyn. I think this is zero in noteworthiness but it made some great headlines like “Cauliflower is racist.” If what she says is dumb, it is almost always followed be equally as dumb reactions. 

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29 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

She was referring to the overarching idea and not a specific garden in Brooklyn. I think this is zero in noteworthiness but it made some great headlines like “Cauliflower is racist.” If what she says is dumb, it is almost always followed be equally as dumb reactions. 

The overreaching idea is nothing but more rhetoric designed to push how minorities are oppressed in every way. 

It is stupid to bring up. You cant call a place a food desert but then also say that the reason the community garden didnt work is because you had colonialist food. I would bet the number of food items in a gas station convenience store that arent "colonial" is pretty small. 

It is especially ridiculous to even use cauliflower as an example. 

According to Christine Couvelier, a culinary trendologist (yes, that's the job title, not a word I made up, although somebody surely did) at Metro News, this cruciferous veggie will outdo even kale as a favored recipe and menu ingredient in 2014.

In Mexico, cauliflower has been a market staple for as long as I can remember — since 1987. No hype required, just lovely heads of white florets standing out among the greens in the mercado. When I first started shopping at the Cholula market all those years ago, coliflor was one of the vegetables that were comfortingly familiar, well before even broccoli started showing up on a regular basis.

In fact due to the year round expectation these days of fruits and vegetables there arent very many things that arent regularly grown south of the border. Just look at the produce section labels next time you are at the gas station. 

 

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2 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

The overreaching idea is nothing but more rhetoric designed to push how minorities are oppressed in every way. 

It is stupid to bring up. You cant call a place a food desert but then also say that the reason the community garden didnt work is because you had colonialist food. I would bet the number of food items in a gas station convenience store that arent "colonial" is pretty small. 

It is especially ridiculous to even use cauliflower as an example. 

According to Christine Couvelier, a culinary trendologist (yes, that's the job title, not a word I made up, although somebody surely did) at Metro News, this cruciferous veggie will outdo even kale as a favored recipe and menu ingredient in 2014.

In Mexico, cauliflower has been a market staple for as long as I can remember — since 1987. No hype required, just lovely heads of white florets standing out among the greens in the mercado. When I first started shopping at the Cholula market all those years ago, coliflor was one of the vegetables that were comfortingly familiar, well before even broccoli started showing up on a regular basis.

In fact due to the year round expectation these days of fruits and vegetables there arent very many things that arent regularly grown south of the border. Just look at the produce section labels next time you are at the gas station. 

 

Yeah I know it was a bad example. We’ve covered that. This is really unimportant in the big picture of the world politics right now imo.

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3 hours ago, jon_mx said:

 

 

Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did not appear onstage together Monday night when they took their turns at the mic roughly 45 minutes apart during the rally for the Green New Deal, nor did either mention the other by name. But merely being present in the same auditorium at roughly the same time was enough to spark chatter. Sanders, according to the original headline of a Politico article published right before he delivered his speech, is in “hot pursuit” of AOC’s endorsement. So too, according to the report, is Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

But neither Sanders nor Warren is going to be the nominee and I’m pretty sure you know that. 

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

But neither Sanders nor Warren is going to be the nominee and I’m pretty sure you know that. 

I don't know that.  But regardless, AOC is driving debate topics.  The Green New Deal is probably the most discussed topic.  

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Just now, jon_mx said:

I don't know that.  But regardless, AOC is driving debate topics.  The Green New Deal is probably the most discussed topic.  

If she’s driving the election, she’s doing it in the same way Sistah Souljah drove the 1992 election. In other words, AOC will be a tool used to make Joe Biden appear reasonable. The Green New Deal will be a tool used to make Joe Biden’s environmental plan appear moderate. I don’t mean be cynical; I’m not saying that anyone is planning all of this, only that this is the way it will work out. 

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Wonderful.  If you eat European you’re supporting colonialism, but if you eat non-European you are appropriating culture.

 

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2 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

Yeah I know it was a bad example. We’ve covered that. This is really unimportant in the big picture of the world politics right now imo.

Trying to turn everything into a rich vs poor or white vs brown issue is kind of a big deal I think. Especially in this context. She is literally trying to win over support for her green new deal by making it sound like there is some shady ploy where urban gardens are exclusively growing white people vegetables or that there is even such a thing really. 

I mean seriously what is she talking about? It isn't like these things are loaded up with swiss chard and lingonberries and that's it. Do you know how hard it was for me to even think of those two examples? Thought of brussels sprouts but in reading learned that they come from the exact same species as cauliflower and guess what? They are one of the fastest growing crops in mexico. Thought about radishes, but here is actually an annual event known as Noche de Los Rábanos(night of the radishes)

The whole thing is absurd. 

ETA: Oh hell, found some data from many years ago where we were importing 99.8% of our swiss chard from mexico. lingonberries seem to be holding strong though.

 

 

 

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I would be really surprised if The Green New Deal becomes a big topic in presidential debates from the Democratic side.  Questions on climate change and the environment?  Absolutely.  The Green New Deal?  Probably not.

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1 minute ago, parasaurolophus said:

Trying to turn everything into a rich vs poor or white vs brown issue is kind of a big deal I think. Especially in this context. She is literally trying to win over support for her green new deal by making it sound like there is some shady ploy where urban gardens are exclusively growing white people vegetables or that there is even such a thing really. 

Wait til she finds out about Oprah's cauliflower crust pizza.
But, honestly, I would call it more garden variety (no pun intended) political pandering (that I still dislike) more than a particularly big deal.

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

But neither Sanders nor Warren is going to be the nominee and I’m pretty sure you know that. 

I think it's way too early to say that so definitively.  Sanders is currently in second place, and Warren is one just a handful of candidates polling above 2%, which puts her at least in the "B" tier.  It would not be remotely shocking to see either of them win the nomination.

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7 minutes ago, Mystery Achiever said:

Looking at that new Quinnipiac poll, Bernie is polling across ideologies, but Liz looks too reliant on progressives. And whites.

Lingonberry party 2020! 

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52 minutes ago, Mystery Achiever said:

Wait til she finds out about Oprah's cauliflower crust pizza.
But, honestly, I would call it more garden variety (no pun intended) political pandering (that I still dislike) more than a particularly big deal.

Wait til she learns yucca is white, on the inside.

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11 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:
34 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

The perfect impersonation.

Thought for sure it was going to be this.

Hey! I still don't know what to put down mine. :bag:
And, on the other, I was 2 minutes in before noticing the date. Amazing.

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She questioned Carson today (I think today) about the One Strike Rule and No-Fault Policy. I thought she did a very good job - Link.

I know a lot of people like jon think she is dumb. But she sure seems to do a lot of good questioning in committee (regardless of whether you agree with her position).

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1 hour ago, Mystery Achiever said:

Looking at that new Quinnipiac poll, Bernie is polling across ideologies, but Liz looks too reliant on progressives. And whites.

He's got pretty much the same limitations as she does. Starting with no black support.

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