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1 minute ago, jon_mx said:

:lmao:....we have gone over this a dozen times.  The comic is just the epotime of all the things.  There is a $10million movie.  There is endless political coverage from both sides.  There is political rallies with the top progressive candidate.   She is a media sensation.  

Media sensation \= greatest thing ever .

HTH

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

Not odd at all, IMO. 

Many conservatives believe that AOC is the new face of the Democratic Party. It serves them well to believe this because it will help them win 2020, but even beyond that they need to believe it because it allows them to rationalize the current administration.  

You projection of how the right things is always off.  And it is by far just not conservatives promoting her.  She is the darling of the progressive wing.  

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Just now, sho nuff said:

Media sensation \= greatest thing ever .

HTH

You ever read the comments from her tweets?  There are lots of people who think she is the greatest thing ever.  HTH.  

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10 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

She is the darling of the far-left.  She is easily mocked for her ridiculous statements, but yet there is a significant group of people who really thinks she is the greatest thing ever.   

Why did you reply to my post to make this comment?  To make my point for me?

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17 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

She is the darling of the far-left.  She is easily mocked for her ridiculous statements, but yet there is a significant group of people who really thinks she is the greatest thing ever.   

No matter how many millions think she is the greatest if less then 30k decides she isn't the greatest for them anymore she is just a 1 and done Congress member. 

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Just now, jon_mx said:

You projection of how the right things is always off.  And it is by far just not conservatives promoting her.  She is the darling of the progressive wing.  

She is certainly well regarded by the progressive wing. More significantly, I’ve noticed that my daughter (in college) and her friends mention AOC in positive tones more than they do any other politician, with the possible exception of Bernie Sanders. 

But the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, whole awfully loud, is about 20-25% of the whole. This next year will bear that fact out. 

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7 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Not odd at all, IMO. 

Many conservatives believe that AOC is the new face of the Democratic Party. It serves them well to believe this because it will help them win 2020, but even beyond that they need to believe it because it allows them to rationalize the current administration.  

This is an even more odd than people fretting over some idealistic :hophead: freshman congresswoman while ignoring the idiots in control this very second.  There's zero issue if people decided they wanted to bag on both, but there's clearly a priority issue here and your explanation doesn't help that.

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3 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

You ever read the comments from her tweets?  There are lots of people who think she is the greatest thing ever.  HTH.  

I'm pretty sure you're one of them.

You might not agree with her politics, but you clearly love having her as a punching bag. Hence your 9,000 posts in this thread.

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1 minute ago, Mile High said:

No matter how many millions think she is the greatest if less then 30k decides she isn't the greatest for them anymore she is just a 1 and done Congress member. 

THIS is the sort of perspective necessary here, but instead we have guys like jon_mx taking cues from the echo chamber (using movies and twitter followers blah blah blah) that he supposedly thinks is completely off the rails to guide his narrative.....can't really make this sort of contortionary (I might have just made up a word) feat up.  :lol: 

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1 minute ago, The Commish said:

This is an even more odd than people fretting over some idealistic :hophead: freshman congresswoman while ignoring the idiots in control this very second.  There's zero issue if people decided they wanted to bag on both, but there's clearly a priority issue here and your explanation doesn't help that.

Of course they’re going to ignore the “idiots in control”; they’re getting what they want from them. Tax cut, tough on immigration, and look at all the judges! 

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Just now, timschochet said:

Of course they’re going to ignore the “idiots in control”; they’re getting what they want from them. Tax cut, tough on immigration, and look at all the judges! 

I wish they would repeal his tax cuts and allow more immigrants in.  Trump is a lame duck IMHO.  

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2 minutes ago, The Commish said:

THIS is the sort of perspective necessary here, but instead we have guys like jon_mx taking cues from the echo chamber (using movies and twitter followers blah blah blah) that he supposedly thinks is completely off the rails to guide his narrative.....can't really make this sort of contortionary (I might have just made up a word) feat up.  :lol: 

Whom am I supposedly echoing? There is not a single right-wing spot i go to to even echo from.      

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17 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Not odd at all, IMO. 

Many conservatives believe that AOC is the new face of the Democratic Party. It serves them well to believe this because it will help them win 2020, but even beyond that they need to believe it because it allows them to rationalize the current administration.  

No one is doing that.  They are just pointing out how unintelligent she sounds.

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2 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

No one is doing that.  They are just pointing out how unintelligent she sounds.

The question is why is she such a focus of attention? 

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There's an awful lot of people interested in defending someone who's just an unimportant freshman congress woman.   Odd they would spend so much time in this thread protecting someone that is meaningless.

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Just now, timschochet said:

The question is why is she such a focus of attention? 

Because she's in Congress, this is a political forum, she's outspoken, and she's an easy target?   Just like anyone in Congress that says stupid things ends up being talked about here?

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Just now, Ramblin Wreck said:

Because she's in Congress, this is a political forum, she's outspoken, and she's an easy target?   Just like anyone in Congress that says stupid things ends up being talked about here?

Not just here and not like this. 

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The last page of this thread is pretty much a summation of this thread. 

A couple posts criticizing her followed with tons of posts defending her or deflecting from conversation about her to other things and off we go.

Then somebody will make a comment about post count or number of pages and use this as evidence that people are obsessed with her. 

 

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14 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

Yeah makes sense to me. Grow stuff people in the area know how to prepare and like to eat. 

Do you think people in her district have prepared and eaten more yucca or cauliflower?

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7 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

There's an awful lot of people interested in defending someone who's just an unimportant freshman congress woman.   Odd they would spend so much time in this thread protecting someone that is meaningless.

Actually agree with this too...bizarre from both the attack and defense positions here.

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13 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Whom am I supposedly echoing? There is not a single right-wing spot i go to to even echo from.      

read what I actually wrote

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22 minutes ago, Skoo said:

I'm pretty sure you're one of them.

You might not agree with her politics, but you clearly love having her as a punching bag. Hence your 9,000 posts in this thread.

So if this is the case there sure are a ton of  posters here who think Trump is the greatest thing ever, right?

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1 minute ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

So if this is the case there sure are a ton of  posters here who think Trump is the greatest thing ever, right?

Fair point, however my argument would be that what the leader of the free world says and does is about a million times more consequential than a freshman congresswoman.

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18 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

There's an awful lot of people interested in defending someone who's just an unimportant freshman congress woman.   Odd they would spend so much time in this thread protecting someone that is meaningless.

Exactly. She isn't even really popular. 

A poll released Thursday shows freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., is facing negative reviews from voters.

The Quinnipiac University survey, which also included multiple questions about various issues and figures in the Democratic Party, shows 36 percent of respondents gave Ocasio-Cortez an unfavorable rating while 23 gave her a favorable one. Thirty-eight percent said they didn't know enough about her.

Thirty-six percent of respondents said Ocasio-Cortez is a bad influence on the party while 33 percent of voters said she was a good influence.

 The only age group in which she registered positive favorability numbers was among likely voters aged 18-34. Among millennials, she received a 35 percent favorable rating compared to to 23 percent unfavorable.

"All is definitely not A-OK for AOC. Most voters either don't like the firebrand freshman Congresswoman or don't know who she is," Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said in a statement after the poll was released.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-poll-shows-aoc-in-trouble%3f_amp=true

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25 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

I wish they would repeal his tax cuts and allow more immigrants in.  Trump is a lame duck IMHO.  

But he his running foreign policy .  He has more power than AOC and is doing more damage.

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Is there anybody in this thread who seriously questions whether the President of the United States has more power than a single member of congress?  

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10 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

Do you think people in her district have prepared and eaten more yucca or cauliflower?

Cauliflower and I don’t think they grow in the same climates. I think her random top of the head example wasn’t a great example but I agree with her sentiment. Also yucca isn’t just for eating, it’s more often just decorative. I don’t know the exact demographic of the green space she’s referring to. 

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11 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

So if this is the case there sure are a ton of  posters here who think Trump is the greatest thing ever, right?

I do kind of think Trump is an exemplar of what can go wrong. I'm leaving Trump as a president and who he is out of this specific point. Some Dems were pretty pleased with Trump's ascendancy because he was such an unlikable person, so they were happy to put him out as the face of the Republican party. But promotion is promotion and he ultimately thrived in that glare. The GOP should also be careful promoting someone who is basically just a frosh from a deep blue district who typically wouldn't have much influence or power.

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I don’t think she is a genius or some amazing politician. She’s just a rookie and has had some major bumps. However, I find the quest to knitpick and find fault in everything she does so annoying considering she hasn’t done anything yet.

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6 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Cauliflower and I don’t think they grow in the same climates. I think her random top of the head example wasn’t a great example but I agree with her sentiment. Also yucca isn’t just for eating, it’s more often just decorative. I don’t know the exact demographic of the green space she’s referring to. 

Cauliflower seems to be a favorite of gluton-free vegan types often used as a flour subsitute.  But it is widely available and is probably a food that is eaten quite often by all groups.   

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1 hour ago, The Commish said:

It's like I am watching people get worked up over a freshman congresswoman and her pie in the sky vision of the future vs getting worked up a current threat to our democracy.  Let's be honest, the people aren't doing both, so that excuse doesn't fly.  It's quite Twilight Zone - esque to watch people who incessantly whine about the "echo chamber" allowing that very "echo chamber" to drive their focus.  

I personally think the current ideology being stated by the President is quite radical, like in a Leninist sense. 

If you look at the Bloomberg piece the worst or most controversial thing Cortez is says is that capitalism is irredeemable. Ok, then she says some other stuff like corporations control our government. I could point to Churchill who said that democracy is completely unworkable but it's the best system we've got. Or similar statements over the last  years about the failings of capitalism. The mark of a socialist or communist is the method to resolve that.

Now, take Trump. Trump - right now - is proposing that the executive branch is not answerable to Congress. He just declared a national emergency because he claims he is not beholden to the appropriations clause of the Constitution. This is a man who daily puts the full weight of the presidency towards negating Congressional power and attacking the free press. Personally the only thing I can think that compares is what Chavez did in Venezuela. If anyone wants to battle me on that, fine, I'm not being hyperbolic. The essence of Maduro's argument right now is that the executive branch in VZ is a separate power base not beholden to the Assembly or the constitutionally appointed courts.

I really don't know what is Cortez's end theory for resolving these well known negative effects of capitalism, but I don't get the sense it is anything nearly as radical as that.

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3 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

I don’t think she is a genius or some amazing politician. She’s just a rookie and has had some major bumps. However, I find the quest to knitpick and find fault in everything she does so annoying considering she hasn’t done anything yet.

She was very influentual in the Amazon fiasco.  She is setting the agenda for the presidential election.  She spews out a lot of divisive rheotic which gets tons of coverage.  She is constantly putting out outrageous statements, it is hardly nitpicking.

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9 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I personally think the current ideology being stated by the President is quite radical, like in a Leninist sense. 

If you look at the Bloomberg piece the worst or most controversial thing Cortez is says is that capitalism is irredeemable. Ok, then she says some other stuff like corporations control our government. I could point to Churchill who said that democracy is completely unworkable but it's the best system we've got. Or similar statements over the last  years about the failings of capitalism. The mark of a socialist or communist is the method to resolve that.

Now, take Trump. Trump - right now - is proposing that the executive branch is not answerable to Congress. He just declared a national emergency because he claims he is not beholden to the appropriations clause of the Constitution. This is a man who daily puts the full weight of the presidency towards negating Congressional power and attacking the free press. Personally the only thing I can think that compares is what Chavez did in Venezuela. If anyone wants to battle me on that, fine, I'm not being hyperbolic. The essence of Maduro's argument right now is that the executive branch in VZ is a separate power base not beholden to the Assembly or the constitutionally appointed courts.

I really don't know what is Cortez's end theory for resolving these well known negative effects of capitalism, but I don't get the sense it is anything nearly as radical as that.

:goodposting:

 

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43 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Actually agree with this too...bizarre from both the attack and defense positions here.

I think there are certainly things worth defending that people seem extra sensitive over.   Her tweeting not so much and plenty of her ideas deserve criticism and her shoot from the hip mentality.

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10 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

She was very influentual in the Amazon fiasco.  She is setting the agenda for the presidential election.  She spews out a lot of divisive rheotic which gets tons of coverage.  She is constantly putting out outrageous statements, it is hardly nitpicking.

She is?

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14 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I personally think the current ideology being stated by the President is quite radical, like in a Leninist sense. 

If you look at the Bloomberg piece the worst or most controversial thing Cortez is says is that capitalism is irredeemable. Ok, then she says some other stuff like corporations control our government. I could point to Churchill who said that democracy is completely unworkable but it's the best system we've got. Or similar statements over the last  years about the failings of capitalism. The mark of a socialist or communist is the method to resolve that.

Now, take Trump. Trump - right now - is proposing that the executive branch is not answerable to Congress. He just declared a national emergency because he claims he is not beholden to the appropriations clause of the Constitution. This is a man who daily puts the full weight of the presidency towards negating Congressional power and attacking the free press. Personally the only thing I can think that compares is what Chavez did in Venezuela. If anyone wants to battle me on that, fine, I'm not being hyperbolic. The essence of Maduro's argument right now is that the executive branch in VZ is a separate power base not beholden to the Assembly or the constitutionally appointed courts.

I really don't know what is Cortez's end theory for resolving these well known negative effects of capitalism, but I don't get the sense it is anything nearly as radical as that.

Trump is a loony, but he is still bound by all the rules.  Trump will lose in court like he usually does.  Our Democracy is safe.  Trump is no Chavez.  

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18 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

She was very influentual in the Amazon fiasco.  She is setting the agenda for the presidential election.  She spews out a lot of divisive rheotic which gets tons of coverage.  She is constantly putting out outrageous statements, it is hardly nitpicking.

Amazon was a screw up. Talking about planting yucca? Not sure why that’s newsworthy.

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Just now, Ilov80s said:

Amazon was a screw up. Talking about planting yucca? Not sure why that’s newsworthy.

because it is silly, like many of her statements which she methodically puts out daily to stay in the news.

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Just now, jon_mx said:

yes.  ....she.... is.  

First 2 links...you see that first name listed there.  That should be your hint that she isn’t.

The third is a laughable opinion piece that doesn’t talk about her setting it even shaping the agenda...just that two progressives may seek her followers.

 

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Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did not appear onstage together Monday night when they took their turns at the mic roughly 45 minutes apart during the rally for the Green New Deal, nor did either mention the other by name. But merely being present in the same auditorium at roughly the same time was enough to spark chatter. Sanders, according to the original headline of a Politico article published right before he delivered his speech, is in “hot pursuit” of AOC’s endorsement. So too, according to the report, is Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

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3 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Amazon was a screw up. Talking about planting yucca? Not sure why that’s newsworthy.

Because why criticize a guy ignoring congress starting trade wars that hurt our farmers and citizens...and is trying to start a war with Iran when you can just quickly say he is loony and then nitpick AOC over and over and over again

 

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1 minute ago, sho nuff said:

First 2 links...you see that first name listed there.  That should be your hint that she isn’t.

The third is a laughable opinion piece that doesn’t talk about her setting it even shaping the agenda...just that two progressives may seek her followers.

 

:lmao:....she is in the headlines with two of the top three Democratic candidates signing up to her plans looking for her endorsement.  You are impossible.

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1 minute ago, jon_mx said:

 

 

Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did not appear onstage together Monday night when they took their turns at the mic roughly 45 minutes apart during the rally for the Green New Deal, nor did either mention the other by name. But merely being present in the same auditorium at roughly the same time was enough to spark chatter. Sanders, according to the original headline of a Politico article published right before he delivered his speech, is in “hot pursuit” of AOC’s endorsement. So too, according to the report, is Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

According to the headline of an article wants and endorsement.  Yet you skip over where he didn’t appear with her or even mention her name.

That part wasn’t important but a headline elsewhere was the key?

:lmao:

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Just now, jon_mx said:

:lmao:....she is in the headlines with two of the top three Democratic candidates signing up to her plans looking for her endorsement.  You are impossible.

In the headlines does not equal setting an agenda for an election Jon...that is a ridiculous stretch.  Neither is going for an endorsement.  Just completely illogical.

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13 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Trump is a loony, but he is still bound by all the rules.  Trump will lose in court like he usually does.  Our Democracy is safe.  Trump is no Chavez.  

Sorry, redo, I didn't mean to be critical. Deleted my post.

I don't think how we treat public officials should be based on their chances of success in going about wrecking our system which they explicitly state they are going to try to do. - If Cortez said, 'capitalism is irredeemable, therefore we need to begin seizing property to balance inequities' would it make sense to tolerate her simply because the courts would never permit it? Hell no.

Trump has also had mixed results, this book isn't finished being written yet.

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10 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Amazon was a screw up. Talking about planting yucca? Not sure why that’s newsworthy.

Because she referred to growing cauliflower instead of yucca as an example of colonialism. If she was from AZ you could maybe try to find a way to give her a pass on such a statement. 

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

The question is why is she such a focus of attention? 

Like many who go into politics she is a creature that feeds not on food, but on attention.  She has a fast metabolism and needs lots of attention or she will starve.  Now is she the biggest feeder at the attention buffet, not hardly.  She does, however, have an impressive appetite for such a petite young thing.  

 

maybe she is in a growth spurt and needs extra nourishment.

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14 minutes ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Like many who go into politics she is a creature that feeds not on food, but on attention.  She has a fast metabolism and needs lots of attention or she will starve.  Now is she the biggest feeder at the attention buffet, not hardly.  She does, however, have an impressive appetite for such a petite young thing.  

 

maybe she is in a growth spurt and needs extra nourishment.

It’s certainly mutualism. 

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15 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Because she referred to growing cauliflower instead of yucca as an example of colonialism. If she was from AZ you could maybe try to find a way to give her a pass on such a statement. 

She was referring to the overarching idea and not a specific garden in Brooklyn. I think this is zero in noteworthiness but it made some great headlines like “Cauliflower is racist.” If what she says is dumb, it is almost always followed be equally as dumb reactions. 

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