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2020 RB Lotto Ticket Rankings (2 Viewers)

Was it ever predictable? That is my concern with investing anything with SF RBs. Can we predict which games Mostert has a big role and which game it's more Coleman or someone else?
From memory, not really...but I thought Breida and Mostert were their most talented options and the rare times after week 3 they were healthy they seemed to try to use them more than the others. I've never watched Hasty but I equate Coleman this year to AlMo that year - in case of emergency, break open glass. McKinnon hasn't played in 2 years. And Wilson's role hasn't expanded beyond what it was in 18.

If Hasty is any good then the path to the #2 role is just one repeatedly creaky knee away.

 
Patriots notebook: For Jarrett Stidham, time becoming as big of an adversary as Cam Newton

Excerpt:

The next Dion Lewis? 

Dion Lewis was one of the more electric players to come around Foxborough over the last decade and lightening may be striking twice as the Patriots have found a player with a very similar skillset. Running backs coach Ivan Fears compared J.J. Taylor, an undrafted rookie out of Arizona, to Lewis on Friday and even called him "Little Dion."

"Same quickness, same suddenness," said Fears during a videoconference with reporters. "He's a hell of a pass-catcher. Great vision. There's a (expletive) of stuff that's good about him. He has to learn to play bigger than his size." 

Taylor's best collegiate season came back in 2018, when he rushed for 1,434 yards and six touchdowns. His rushing totals dipped in 2019, but he was able to have his best year as a pass-catcher, hauling in 32 passes for 289 yards. If New England can bring him along like Lewis, who totaled 1,110 yards and nine touchdowns from scrimmage during his final year in Foxborough, that'd be quite the find for a backfield that is looking for playmakers. 

For 2020, however, Taylor may be looked at as simply a developmental piece in the backfield who finds his time spent between the active roster and practice squad. 
Perhaps not even a lotto ticket - this might be one of those discarded scratch tickets that didn’t win on the main prize area but delivered a free play on the bonus section.

 
@ALL - is it just me or does it feel like there will be 4 or 5 complete shockers at RB during the Week 1 reveal this season?  (d/t no preseason)

 
@ALL - is it just me or does it feel like there will be 4 or 5 complete shockers at RB during the Week 1 reveal this season?  (d/t no preseason)
Malcolm Brown for the Rams will be one that I think could get a majority of the carries week 1 with Henderson down for now and Akers a rookie.

 
Anybody mention Benny Snell yet? Heard he has the #2 Rb spot locked up. He's a conner injury away from top 15 RB value.....and he's free right now.

 
Anybody mention Benny Snell yet? Heard he has the #2 Rb spot locked up. He's a conner injury away from top 15 RB value.....and he's free right now.
Yeah, he's on the list - see the top of page one of this thread.

 
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Bears RB Artavis Pierce could be an early-down option if the team is without RB David Montgomery to open the regular season. 

The Chicago Tribune's Brad Biggs called Pierce "the most traditional running back" on a Montgomery-less Bears roster, as Tarik Cohen is a pass catching specialist and Cordarrelle Patterson is a converted receiver who doesn't run between the tackles. Pierce is an undrafted rookie out of Oregon State, where he averaged six yards per carry last year on 146 attempts. An NFL scout told Biggs that Pierce “might really fit what they are doing there because when you look at the Oregon State system, they were heavy inside zone, a little outside zone, but they were a zone-based run game." Still, Pierce won't be draftable outside the deepest fantasy leagues. 
 

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Cordarrelle Patterson

SOURCE: Chicago Tribune 

Aug 28, 2020, 9:25 AM ET

 
Does anyone have a handy list or a link to a list of current RB starters with camp injuries?

  • ARZ Drake - seen in a walking boot Mon. Aug. 24
  • CHI David Montgomery carted off this week - could be out 2-4 weeks
  • ?
  • ?
Note: For those of you new to this thread the current list of LOTTO RB tickets is at the top of the first page.

 
I don't see the Raiders lotto ticket listed, so will chime in here. 

I think if Jacobs goes down, we'll see a committee with Richard, Riddick, And Bowden, leaning towards Richard as the guy who is a proven commodity in this offense.

I do think the real lotto ticket here may be Lynn Bowden, Jr. It's a bit of a risky play, what lottery ticket isn't, but I think if he translates his dynamic play in college to this stage, he could be in for an interesting year -- even if Jacobs remains healthy.

I can see Gruden using him in 2nd/3rd down situations lining up all over the field, and even potentially in throwing the ball on a gadget or two. Gruden has a deep playbook and can see him trying to leverage Bowden's versatile skill. 

I think he may have some usefulness as a very deep/bye week back (especially in PPR), and if Jacobs goes down, and Bowden shows he can play in the NFL, he relegates Riddick (a 29 year old at likely the tail end of a somewhat ho-hum career) to the bench.

 
I don't see the Raiders lotto ticket listed, so will chime in here. 

I think if Jacobs goes down, we'll see a committee with Richard, Riddick, And Bowden, leaning towards Richard as the guy who is a proven commodity in this offense.

I do think the real lotto ticket here may be Lynn Bowden, Jr. It's a bit of a risky play, what lottery ticket isn't, but I think if he translates his dynamic play in college to this stage, he could be in for an interesting year -- even if Jacobs remains healthy.

I can see Gruden using him in 2nd/3rd down situations lining up all over the field, and even potentially in throwing the ball on a gadget or two. Gruden has a deep playbook and can see him trying to leverage Bowden's versatile skill. 

I think he may have some usefulness as a very deep/bye week back (especially in PPR), and if Jacobs goes down, and Bowden shows he can play in the NFL, he relegates Riddick (a 29 year old at likely the tail end of a somewhat ho-hum career) to the bench.
Given that Jacobs is pretty good, I don't think any of these guys will be worth much without an injury to him although maybe Richard or Bowden do as pass catching backs in PPR. But if he does go down I do think the guy who could stand out and be a true Lotto ticket is Bowden. 

 
I don't see the Raiders lotto ticket listed, so will chime in here. 

I think if Jacobs goes down, we'll see a committee with Richard, Riddick, And Bowden, leaning towards Richard as the guy who is a proven commodity in this offense.

I do think the real lotto ticket here may be Lynn Bowden, Jr. It's a bit of a risky play, what lottery ticket isn't, but I think if he translates his dynamic play in college to this stage, he could be in for an interesting year -- even if Jacobs remains healthy.

I can see Gruden using him in 2nd/3rd down situations lining up all over the field, and even potentially in throwing the ball on a gadget or two. Gruden has a deep playbook and can see him trying to leverage Bowden's versatile skill. 

I think he may have some usefulness as a very deep/bye week back (especially in PPR), and if Jacobs goes down, and Bowden shows he can play in the NFL, he relegates Riddick (a 29 year old at likely the tail end of a somewhat ho-hum career) to the bench.
Added.

Since LV is listed in the OL Rankings as #2 in the NFL it does seem important to speculate on the LOTTO in LV.

TY @Stompin' Tom Connors

 
Anyone want to weigh in on the IND OL?  Ranked #1 by FootballGuys - who is the LOTTO there?

Note: For those of you new to this thread the current list of LOTTO RB tickets is at the top of the first page.

 
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Jaguars rookie RB James Robinson has had "several strong runs" in team drills.

Robinson went undrafted after running a 4.6 forty. His 92nd-percentile burst score and 69th-percentile agility were more encouraging, and there’s no doubt Robinson was a college dominator at the FCS level. Robinson flashed while Ryquell Armstead was on the COVID-19 list, a good sign for his roster chances. With the Jaguars looking ready to move on from Leonard Fournette, Robinson is a forward-thinking late round pick in rookie-only drafts.

SOURCE: jaguars.com

Aug 30, 2020, 10:59 AM ET
 
Jaguars waived RB Leonard Fournette. 

Fournette was in the final year of his contract with Jacksonville and had a difficult relationship with the organization, so this was always possible. Fournette, a heavily used back who received 666 carries with the Jaguars over three seasons after being taken with the No. 4 overall pick in 2017, will certainly land with another team in the coming days. The Bears, who recently lost David Montgomery to a groin injury that could keep him out for the early part of the season, are a prime candidate to pursue Fournette. The Jaguars save over $4.1 million against the cap with the move. Ryquell Armstead and Devine Ozigbo are next up on the depth chart in Jacksonville.

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Jacksonville Jaguars

SOURCE: Michael DiRocco on Twitter 

Aug 31, 2020, 8:33 AM ET


John Shipley @_John_Shipley

RB I think this helps for #Jaguars? UDFA James Robinson. Had a good scrimmage on Saturday and has flashed in camp.
https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status/1300422634216337409?s=21

 
Does anyone have a handy list or a link to a list of current RB starters with camp injuries?

  • ARZ Drake - seen in a walking boot Mon. Aug. 24
  • CHI David Montgomery carted off this week - could be out 2-4 weeks
  • ?
  • ?
Note: For those of you new to this thread the current list of LOTTO RB tickets is at the top of the first page.
Probably means Eno Benjamin in AZ should get a look.

Not sure what the Bears will do, maybe they'll take a look at D Freeman or L Fournette if they hate money.

Armstead/Ozigbo become must draft and James Robinson is one to watch in Jax now.

 
James Robinson is the guy I have my eye on as a lotto ticket here, although in reality it’s probably CHris Thompson seeing as he’s a Gruden guy already and this will be a bad team

 
@Joe Bryant nails it in this morning’s email - Thompson has trouble staying on the field. 

that backfield is a mess. 
I don't know if I agree with mess. Knee jerk - Thompson's the short term guy and Ozigbo gets first crack among the other 3. Armstead's been sick all August, which then just leaves a small school UDFA with questionable traits. As Joe said, when (not if) Thompson breaks there's opportunity here. Bet on the one with most control (Ozigbo), but as of right now I lean Robinson over Armstead should things go sideways with Ozigbo.

 
Darrel Williams Working ahead of DeAndre Washington - August 28, 2020 - https://www.rotowire.com/football/player.php?id=12839

From Rotowire:  Williams is emerging as the primary backup to Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Nate Taylor of The Athletic reports.

ANALYSIS
Early reports out of Chiefs training camp suggested DeAndre Washington might handle the role, but it's apparently been Williams subbing in for more work with the first-team offense. In addition to the benefit of experience in Andy Reid's offense, Williams reportedly has been the best blocker in practice, and he also has a history of handling some work in short-yardage situations and on passing downs. Of course, a role as the No. 2 back doesn't necessarily mean Williams would take on large workloads in the event of an Edwards-Helaire injury, as the Chiefs might instead opt for a committee.

ALSO:  Darrel Williams is No. 2 RB for Chiefs - https://www.4for4.com/news/darrel-williams-no-2-rb-chiefs

 
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I don't know if I agree with mess. Knee jerk - Thompson's the short term guy and Ozigbo gets first crack among the other 3. Armstead's been sick all August, which then just leaves a small school UDFA with questionable traits. As Joe said, when (not if) Thompson breaks there's opportunity here. Bet on the one with most control (Ozigbo), but as of right now I lean Robinson over Armstead should things go sideways with Ozigbo.
Lol - what you described literally sounds like a mess. :lol:  

One man’s trash is another’s reassure of course. 

 
Rank these RBs for DYNASTY

Darrel Williams

Ryquell Armstead

Devine Ozigbo

JaMycal Hasty

Anthony McFarland

Darrell Henderson

Tony Pollard

James Robinson

 
Lol - what you described literally sounds like a mess. :lol:  

One man’s trash is another’s reassure of course. 
I also wouldn't use the word treasure! I think the picture's clear. I just don't think it's pretty. 

The only bad thing in all of this is that one less person will fall to me in drafts because I didn't even have Fournette ranked before all of this. 

 
I don't know if I agree with mess. Knee jerk - Thompson's the short term guy and Ozigbo gets first crack among the other 3. Armstead's been sick all August, which then just leaves a small school UDFA with questionable traits. As Joe said, when (not if) Thompson breaks there's opportunity here. Bet on the one with most control (Ozigbo), but as of right now I lean Robinson over Armstead should things go sideways with Ozigbo.
Robinson's 4.6 combine and lack of college competition makes him a long shot IMO.

 
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The only bad thing in all of this is that one less person will fall to me in drafts because I didn't even have Fournette ranked before all of this. 
it me! 

This was my exact 1st thought. Same with Montgomery. 2 players I had zero interest in who would be taken in the 1st 5 rounds are now off the board tightening everything else up. 

Pre-season casualties without a preseason. Wtf. 

 
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Robinson's 4.6 combine and lack of college competition makes him a long shot IMO.
I don't disagree. I'm aware of his metrics. He's a small school UDFA. These types usually don't pan out. But his competition is uninspiring and has missed all August to illness. Opportunity's there.

 
I picked up Robinson as a free agent last week. I've watched his highlights. They're not that great. Lot of slow defenses. That said, this is not Chris Thompson's backfield. Gruden knows he gets hurt and would strictly limit his touches in WAS and tell the media it's so he didn't get hurt. Rarely is a coach that honest. So no way is Thompson the bell cow back there. I'll eat my hat on that one.

 
Rank these RBs for DYNASTY

Darrel Williams

Ryquell Armstead

Devine Ozigbo

JaMycal Hasty

Anthony McFarland

Darrell Henderson

Tony Pollard

James Robinson
I don't know who I prefer among McFarland, Henderson, and Pollard but I don't think it matters. None of them are available and they're all probably on the same tier to me, so I'm not trading one for another and I'm not dropping them for any of the others. 

 
Darrel Williams Working ahead of DeAndre Washington - August 28, 2020 - https://www.rotowire.com/football/player.php?id=12839

From Rotowire:  Williams is emerging as the primary backup to Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Nate Taylor of The Athletic reports.

ANALYSIS
Early reports out of Chiefs training camp suggested DeAndre Washington might handle the role, but it's apparently been Williams subbing in for more work with the first-team offense. In addition to the benefit of experience in Andy Reid's offense, Williams reportedly has been the best blocker in practice, and he also has a history of handling some work in short-yardage situations and on passing downs. Of course, a role as the No. 2 back doesn't necessarily mean Williams would take on large workloads in the event of an Edwards-Helaire injury, as the Chiefs might instead opt for a committee.

ALSO:  Darrel Williams is No. 2 RB for Chiefs - https://www.4for4.com/news/darrel-williams-no-2-rb-chiefs
Has been all camp.

 
James Robinson is the guy I have my eye on as a lotto ticket here, although in reality it’s probably CHris Thompson seeing as he’s a Gruden guy already and this will be a bad team
I actually think Ozigbo may be ahead of Thompson given Ozigbo's buzz all camp and the fact that he's quite an accomplished receiver himself.  He's the one I'm most interested in with Robinson an interesting flier. 

I may be wrong, but I'm just not that interested in Armstead.

 
(Fournette being released)

The only bad thing in all of this is that one less person will fall to me in drafts because I didn't even have Fournette ranked before all of this. 
^ this

This was my exact 1st thought. Same with Montgomery. 2 players I had zero interest in who would be taken in the 1st 5 rounds are now off the board tightening everything else up.
^ and this

 
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Alvin Kamara: Missing practice

Kamara (undisclosed) has been absent from practice since Friday, Mike Triplett of ESPN.com reports.

Per the report, coach Sean Payton declined to clarify whether the running back's absence is injury or non-injury related. Triplett added that Payton chose not to provide details on any of his player's injuries Monday, so until further details are available, we'll consider Kamara day-to-day.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/saints-alvin-kamara-missing-practice/

 
Bengals - is Giovani Bernard the handcuff due to his pass protection skills with a rookie QB and Trayveon is the lotto ticket, or is it the other way around?

How Giovani Bernard fits in the Bengals' running back room and why his days in Cincinnati could be numbered

Trayveon Williams projects as the Bengals second or third running back following Rodney Anderson's release.

Anderson and Williams were late-round darts from Cincinnati in recent seasons, but Anderson's injuries will prevent him from amounting to anything with the Bengals. This moves Williams next to Giovani Bernard as Joe Mixon's insurance. Mixon was signed to a long-term contract, but Williams would be a waiver wire add if Mixon were to miss games with injury. He had a three-down profile coming out of Texas A&M in 2019.

SOURCE: Bengals on Twitter

Sep 1, 2020, 5:56 PM ET
 
NFL Beat Writers @32BeatWriters

“Snell lost 12 pounds since his rookie season and looks quicker and even stronger than he was in his first year, and will be the No. 1 backup.” twitter.com/edbouchette/st…
https://twitter.com/32beatwriters/status/1301132039597568000?s=21

Steelers RB Benny Snell is the "no-doubt No. 2" back in the Pittsburgh backfield after an impressive training camp during which he's shown improved receiving ability. 

This confirms what we've known for a couple weeks. Snell has locked down the backup role behind RB James Conner, who is expected to see a heavy workload in the Steelers' rejuvenated offense. A 13th-rounder in 12-team leagues, Snell is an ideal late-round selection for Zero RB drafters. 

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Aug 29, 2020, 1:46 PM ET


The Athletic's Mark Kaboly considers Benny Snell to be a "much different and better player" than he was last season. 

A grinding rookie backup in the Steelers' injury-marred 2019 backfield, Snell reported to camp 12 pounds lighter this season. "Any more of what we saw Thursday and Snell very well could sneak his way into a role in an offense featuring a healthy Conner," was Kaboly's observation following Thursday's practice. That is almost certainly hyperbole, but it appears Snell has easily beaten out rookie Anthony McFarland for direct backup duties. Snell could earn a standalone role if the Steelers commit to keeping a typically banged-up Conner fresher. 

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James Conner

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Aug 27, 2020, 9:11 PM ET


The Athletic's Mark Kaboly expects Benny Snell to be James Conner's primary backup. 

We haven't heard much from fourth-rounder Anthony McFarland this summer, and Kaboly believes Snell looks quicker after losing weight. Kaboly does not expect Snell to have a standalone role, but says he would "want Snell on my fantasy team if I drafted Conner in the earlier rounds." 

RELATED: 

Anthony McFarland

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Aug 24, 2020, 10:31 PM ET

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This news indicates that Benny Snell is the handcuff and Anthony McFarland is the lotto ticket.

 
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I have a question regarding KCC CEH and his "role".

It feels like CEH will be, at best, a 1B to whoever is the 1A (regardless of which of the 3 other RBs becomes the 1A).  Am I Crazy?

Reference:  Matt Waldman's No Fly List - Matt writes: 

  • "projected as my 22nd-ranked fantasy back."
  • "It's why taking Helaire as one of the top 10 backs on the board is betting on a great stretch run after playing at least a month in a committee. If you draft so you can afford your second back taken to perform below expectation for 4-6 weeks while counting on 7-10 weeks of elite production, then go for it."
Will CEH be:

  • The #1 RB?
  • The 1A and someone else is 1B
  • The 1B to the 1A as I am thinking?
  • The handcuff to the #1?
What do you think?

@Faust , @Ilov80s - @Stompin' Tom Connors - @socrates - @gabes1919 - @JFS171 - @cantstop1999 - @IHEARTFF - @MAC_32 ?

 
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I have a question regarding KCC CEH and his "role".

It feels like CEH will be, at best, a 1B to whoever is the 1A (regardless of which of the 3 other RBs becomes the 1A).  Am I Crazy?

Will CEH be:

  • The #1 RB?
  • The 1A and someone else is 1B
  • The 1B to the 1A as I am thinking?
  • The handcuff to the #1?
What do you think?

@Faust , @Ilov80s - @Stompin' Tom Connors - @socrates - @gabes1919 - @JFS171 - @cantstop1999 - @IHEARTFF - @MAC_32 ?


what makes you say this?
Matt Waldman makes some pretty convincing arguments on the Podcasts (and in his articles) that someone else will be the #1 at least at first.

Reference:  Matt Waldman's No Fly List - Matt writes: 

  • "projected as my 22nd-ranked fantasy back."
  • "It's why taking Helaire as one of the top 10 backs on the board is betting on a great stretch run after playing at least a month in a committee. If you draft so you can afford your second back taken to perform below expectation for 4-6 weeks while counting on 7-10 weeks of elite production, then go for it."
Because of this, while some of his colleagues are talking about CEH as an end of the 1st round viability, he completely disagrees.

 
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I think CEH is likely the 1A with someone else as the 1B or even 2. I don’t know how he pass protects, so it’s plausible they use someone else on third downs. He’s stout, but he’s not a huge guy so it’s plausible they use someone else for short yardage and goal line. 

Smart teams don’t draft a guy in the first to not use him. I think a lot of this depends on how fast CEH comes up to speed, how well he handles checks at the line and blitz pickup, option routes, etc. I said I thought Darrel Williams would have a bigger role than people expect, but I still think that’s maybe 35-40% while CEH gets most of the rest. The question for me is if Williams gets high value touches like 2-min offense and goal line. 

We won’t know that until we see it on the field. They have zero incentive to tell us. 

 
Matt Waldman makes some pretty convincing arguments on the Podcasts (and in his articles) that someone else will be the #1 and, at best, CEH will be a 1B but even that is a stretch.

Because of this, while some of his colleagues are talking about CEH as an end of the 1st round viability, he completely disagrees.
Matt definitely has reservations on Edwards-Helaire. But two things.

1. This discussion is best for the Edwards-Helaire thread.

2. The board is way better when you discuss the points from Matt. Not just that he says something. 

Edwards-Helaire is a super interesting player this year. Lots to talk about there. 

 
Matt definitely has reservations on Edwards-Helaire. But two things.

1. This discussion is best for the Edwards-Helaire thread.

2. The board is way better when you discuss the points from Matt. Not just that he says something.
Sorry Joe !

 
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ESPN's Adam Teicher left Chiefs RB DeAndre Washington off his projected 53-man roster.

Washington was signed this offseason on a one-year contract, but he may not survive final cuts this Saturday. Teicher believes Clyde Edwards-Helaire's presence as the "lead" gives Kansas City the opportunity to use one less roster spot on a running back. If that's the case, Washington would be out with Darrel Williams set as the rookie's direct backup and potentially running mate. At this point, Williams, not Washington, is the preferred dart throw in the double-digit rounds of fantasy drafts.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/29754893/chiefs-53-man-roster-projection-yields-changes-2019

 

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