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Yup. And he got...younger, too.Word is that PT Barnum never actually said "There's a sucker born every minute", but that doesn't mean it isn't a true statement.
Barkley owner laughed all the way to the bank on this one.
Yup. And he got...younger, too.Word is that PT Barnum never actually said "There's a sucker born every minute", but that doesn't mean it isn't a true statement.
Barkley owner laughed all the way to the bank on this one.
I find that just completely unrealistic. No Taylor, CMC or Zeke owner is going to pay that for Barkley right now. Given his situation on the Giants, I'm not sure you'd get that for a healthy Barkley after 2 weeks of this season, much less a dude out for the year.CMC or Zeke ...... package that includes J Taylor -- end of list (a hold for anything else/less)
No quarterback in the superbowl era has given up more turnovers per game than Jones. He's had only one game where he hasn't turned the ball over. Of his 15 games in ten of them he's had multiple turnovers.I think Daniel Jones is better than you're giving him credit for, but I could be very wrong,
I agree with this. I do not regret acquiring him in Superflex at the cost of Sutton (prior to the season ending knee injury) - I see a lot of improvement from year 1 to year 2. He hasn't fumbled. He's holding the ball with both hands when pressure comes. And even in the face of that Blitzburg defense, he stood tall and completed some tough passes - the Int at the end of that drive was bad, but the drive itself was remarkable. He showed enough to me that I have confidence he'll get better IF that OL comes together.I think Daniel Jones is better than you're giving him credit for,
Last year it was the fumbles that did him in. He may be statistically worse than Winston, but he is not worse than Winston. Young QBs improve. Jones will improve.No quarterback in the superbowl era has given up more turnovers per game than Jones. He's had only one game where he hasn't turned the ball over. Of his 15 games in ten of them he's had multiple turnovers.
He's worse than Jamis Winston.
The odds are against him ever putting up even a single season as good as one of Winston's. I'm not a scout, but I saw a kid who locked onto a single receiver each play and telegraphed his throws. He makes plays, but he doesn't appear to be improving as an NFL QB. (Ironically, this is essentially the reason that Winston isn't a starter even after the "good" years he's had).Last year it was the fumbles that did him in. He may be statistically worse than Winston, but he is not worse than Winston. Young QBs improve. Jones will improve.
I'm not even sure if I'd even give up Henry or Jones based on contract status and stability.I would be hesitant to trade away any elite RB for Saquon Barkley at this point. We don't know that Saquon will be the same back post-surgery. Most young backs recover well, but there are no certainties. Todd Gurley is not the same back he appeared to be prior to his injury. Terrell Davis never returned to his pre-injury form. Sure, Adrian Peterson and Jamaal Charles recovered well. Saquon's age and the fact that he suffered this injury so early in the season favor a full recovery in time for the 2021 season. If I am a Saquon dynasty owner, I would not trade him for less than one of the elite backs, and if I were trading for Saquon, I would not offer an elite back. I would offer Cook or Jones or Mixon or Henry, or perhaps even CEH or Taylor. I might give Chubb or Sanders or Jacobs, depending on the rest of my team and my perceived ability to win this season, but I am probably not trading any of those for Saquon this early in the season. I would not give Zeke, Kamara, or McCaffrey.
Clearly.The odds are against him ever putting up even a single season as good as one of Winston's. I'm not a scout,
I didn't see that at all, but hey we all have our takes. I see a ton of improvement from season 1 to season 2 of his young career. And under that type of duress, I'm not sure how fair it is to evaluate his reads considering he only has 1.2 seconds before the OL turns into a screen door. I guess you think we've seen his ceiling already though, so...but I saw a kid who locked onto a single receiver each play and telegraphed his throws. he makes plays, but he doesn't appear to be improving as an NFL QB. (Ironically, this is essentially the reason that Winston isn't a starter even after the "good" years he's had).
Agreed. There isn't a player selected in the top 12 picks of redraft that I'd pay for Barkley right now. Maybe not in the top 24.I'm not even sure if I'd even give up Henry or Jones based on contract status and stability.
Where has he improved? What have you seen in two games vs 14 last year? QBR of 50.7 this year, last year it was 55.7.I see a ton of improvement from season 1 to season 2 of his young career
I said it already: He's standing taller against pressure and completing tough passes. He led a very good drive downfield (that ended in a pick, but still). He hasn't fumbled the ball, despite getting the crap kicked out of him.Where has he improved? What have you seen in two games vs 14 last year? QBR of 50.7 this year, last year it was 55.7.
THIS is a great trade.I acquired Barkley from a contender for James Conner, Kenyan Drake, and Le'Veon Bell. Ingram and Fournette were his other viable RBs. I was not really in contention before the trade and was happy to take a pass on the rest of this season while hopefully improving my chances next year. 12 teams, 30 man rosters, 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/2FLEX
That's a fairly solid deal for you - I'm not a big believer in any of the 3 backs you traded long-term, though all have upside. For a win-now team, that's a package sure to help for 2020, and if Barkley comes back 100% you scored. I would have liked it a lot better if you coulda kept Drake though. Still think you paid a little too much.I acquired Barkley from a contender for James Conner, Kenyan Drake, and Le'Veon Bell. Ingram and Fournette were his other viable RBs. I was not really in contention before the trade and was happy to take a pass on the rest of this season while hopefully improving my chances next year. 12 teams, 30 man rosters, 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/2FLEX
In my experience in dynasty, on average in a typical 12 team league there are maybe 6 teams with a legitimate chance to win, 2 teams who are in a full on rebuild and 4 teams who think they can compete but are stuck in that mediocre no mans land and should be fully rebuilding.I never played in a dynasty before so pardon the ignorance here, but I'm always curious how different a dynasty operates. In a dynasty league, are there pretty much teams that are playing for a win this year and a clear separation of teams that, after two weeks, already throw in the towel? I mean, I get trying to get Saquon for future since you'd be willing to part with him only under this circumstance, but why would they offer an actual, viable winner for this year like EZE, Henry, or even Cook? I guess maybe Henry, but i don't think he's that old yet. I realize this is off topic for what you're asking, so tia for any response.
I can’t believe someone would make that deal. There’s a legitimate chance that all 3 of those players are worthless this time next year.I acquired Barkley from a contender for James Conner, Kenyan Drake, and Le'Veon Bell. Ingram and Fournette were his other viable RBs. I was not really in contention before the trade and was happy to take a pass on the rest of this season while hopefully improving my chances next year. 12 teams, 30 man rosters, 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/2FLEX
Seems clear the team acquiring them is focused on winning this year.I can’t believe someone would make that deal. There’s a legitimate chance that all 3 of those players are worthless this time next year.
I bet you won't get Mixon and Conner without giving more than Barkley. I'd certainly throw in a 3rd. And almost certainly a (probable) late 2nd to get that done.14 Team - NO PPR
I have an offer of Mixon and Conner for Barkley and my 2021 1st Round Round Pick given to me. Trying to go straight 2 for 1 without the pick. Other team is going into a rebuild so this is my best shot at getting something for Barkley. I also lost McCaffrey for some time.
I would start Mahomes, Henry, Mixon, Nuk, Lockett or Conner, Kelce until CMC returns.
I get that but it’s still dynasty, and even this year I don’t think any one of them is a clear difference maker who would push a team over the top.Seems clear the team acquiring them is focused on winning this year.
Compared to the blank left by Barkley & what was listed as their depth I think Connor definitely helps replace some of what they lost, and Drake still has potential for this year and beyond.I get that but it’s still dynasty, and even this year I don’t think any one of them is a clear difference maker who would push a team over the top.
Man - I'm just not seeing the upside to either of those deals. Jacobs and the Raiders seem to have a very balanced offense going, where he's their centerpiece. Barkley has to come back 100%, and the Giants would have to rebuild their OL for this to work in the favor of the team that dealt Jacobs.Went 1:1 for Jacobs
also Chubb + 2021 1st for Barkley
on trade finder
Nice pull.I just traded him for Josh Jacobs straight up.
This was touched on higher up in the thread but there are only a few teams in any given league that have the right mix of factors to consider a deal like this.Nice pull.
One consideration no one has mentioned is where Saquan would have gone in redraft next year had he played all 16.
Arguably you got Jacobs for a 2nd, maybe even a 3rd rounder which is pretty solid.
completely agree. You’ve already got the core building block to use as a foundational player. And moreover, yours has an intact knee. That seems like a bonus.I definitely would not have moved CEH or Taylor or Sanders in a deal for Barkley. Just the way I roll. If I had owned those guys I would have just kept them as my core instead of hoping for a return to form by Barkley 12+ months from now (along with an improvement by his team).
Oklahoma State Cowboys? That’s the team landing Jacobs on trade finderI just traded him for Josh Jacobs straight up.
No.Oklahoma State Cowboys? That’s the team landing Jacobs on trade finder
This is great. I offered Barkley for Jacobs verbally as a counter to a guy who offered me Allen Robinson and Gaskins for Barkley. He balked at it as a gross over pay.
The only scenario that makes sense is that it’s a $$$ league & team Barkley had a championship roster other than Barkley. Truly a cash year move with enough $ on the line that such a move is justified. Conner should provide RB2 returns, and Drake could easily be flex-worthy. Bell’s inclusion is a head scratcher, but whatever.Conner and Drake should still never go for Barkley. Both are at the end of their deals with their current clubs, and they're 26 and 27. That's ancient for running backs. We were ready to write Conner off earlier this offseason. I paid and then got a two for Conner (I changed my mind). I can't fathom that Conner/Drake/Bell deal for Barkley from the Barkley side, and I'm the one in here pooh-pooing his value.
This is a pretty prudent point. I think we all still expect Barkley would have been able to live up to his draft position at this point in the season - there's no way the giants don't change something about their o-line so that he's constantly getting hit 3-5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. He's too good to run for under 20 yards every game with five catches.One consideration no one has mentioned is where Saquan would have gone in redraft next year had he played all 16.
It's a $100 entry league, but I don't think the amount matters TBH. Some guys are just unwilling to throw in the towel and accept a lost season in the third week of the season. Sitting on an injured Barkley, losing games all year because he thinks he should be able to get a Josh Jacobs in return was not going to happen with this owner. And since you can start up to 4RBs in this league, they are very hard to pry away from owners. There are a couple teams with deep RB stables but they are all contenders and they can actually start them all. No way they are trading a Jacobs for Barkley.The only scenario that makes sense is that it’s a $$$ league & team Barkley had a championship roster other than Barkley. Truly a cash year move with enough $ on the line that such a move is justified. Conner should provide RB2 returns, and Drake could easily be flex-worthy. Bell’s inclusion is a head scratcher, but whatever.
And again, that’s *only* if the kitty is big enough that if you win it all you’re ok with sucking for a few years.
I would take that so fastfoxco said:Barkley was just moved in one of my 12 team ppr dynasty leagues (wasn't involved):
Barkley
for
Miles Sanders, Juju, Justin Herbert, '21 2nd (would think early now)
Team getting Sanders etc. had only Wentz at QB so Herbert doesn't appear to be a throw-in.
Makes sense. Gotta tip your cap to the die-Hards.It's a $100 entry league, but I don't think the amount matters TBH. Some guys are just unwilling to throw in the towel and accept a lost season in the third week of the season. Sitting on an injured Barkley, losing games all year because he thinks he should be able to get a Josh Jacobs in return was not going to happen with this owner. And since you can start up to 4RBs in this league, they are very hard to pry away from owners. There are a couple teams with deep RB stables but they are all contenders and they can actually start them all. No way they are trading a Jacobs for Barkley.
People are way overreacting to week 1. He had 4 carries in week 2 and 3 of them were longer than his longest carry from week 1.This is a pretty prudent point. I think we all still expect Barkley would have been able to live up to his draft position at this point in the season - there's no way the giants don't change something about their o-line so that he's constantly getting hit 3-5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. He's too good to run for under 20 yards every game with five catches.
But what if a healthy Barkley never got /better enough/ as the year went on? What if the giant's o-line kept him around 50 rushing yards a game? Where would he go next year with that kind of season? End of the first round on scholarship? End of the second? Looking at it that way and adding in the injury does Barkley for Jacobs (who so far looks like a first round talent next year in redraft) become a huge steal?
4 carries is a somewhat small sample size though compared to week 1.People are way overreacting to week 1. He had 4 carries in week 2 and 3 of them were longer than his longest carry from week 1.
What package was it?Well my first domino fell. I trade him in a package essentially for EZE. Contract league so I lose a few years on the back end but I was gonna lose that anyway with EZE's age and mileage difference. If I get two full years out of EZE then two more RB2 years it'll be well worth it, and there's the outside shot I get longer from him.
Just pieces parts. I gave up TBW and Mooney, got Malcolm Brown for spot-starts and some 1 year LB depth. Nothing that tips the scales in any way in a Barkley for EZE deal.What package was it?
So sitting on an offer of Drake, Jeudy, Hunter Henry, James Robinson, and a 2021 2nd rd pick. Would this be sufficiently "buying low" on Saquon? For some reason I'm irrationally afraid that Jeudy will turn out be the next Julio.completely agree. You’ve already got the core building block to use as a foundational player. And moreover, yours has an intact knee. That seems like a bonus.
Even Zeke is young enough that I wouldn’t go chasing Barkley’s potential assumed future production. Same with CMC, Kamara - these are all foundational players.
Mixon, Conner, Drake - I could see moving any of them to take a shot at Barkley, but only if I wasn’t near contention this year. Even then, color me risk averse, but I prefer my big name Trade acquisitions to have intact knee tendons. Especially since paying Conner/Drake isn’t exactly “buying low”.
I just bought Saquon. I'm rebuilding. 12 Team PPR Superflex.So sitting on an offer of Drake, Jeudy, Hunter Henry, James Robinson, and a 2021 2nd rd pick. Would this be sufficiently "buying low" on Saquon? For some reason I'm irrationally afraid that Jeudy will turn out be the next Julio.
The only complication is that my team is a prime contender this year. What do contenders do when they have a chance to get Saquon like this?
The valuations seem to be all over the place right now, at least according to this thread..
That's a pretty good discount you got. I took the deal, although I feel like I gave up a bit more.I just bought Saquon. I'm rebuilding. 12 Team PPR Superflex.
I got Saquon Barkley
I gave Hunt, Brees, DeVante Parker, 2021 1st, and two 2021 3rds.
I still have two more 2021 1sts.