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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
What a shame Sunderland Til I Die cancelled after three seasons.
titusbramble
Footballguy
We cannot hold. Horrific second half when we just needed to not do stupid stuff
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Amazingly, I had to come up with a more clever Googling strategy than "Sunderland Til I Die douchebag" to remember the name of Charlie Methven.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Proper front-runner here.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Proper front-runner here.
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
I thought I had updated this, but evidently not.
EL spot goes to SC Freiburg, ECL spot goes to Mainz 05. RB Leipzig and Werder Bremen miss out on Europe next season.
FC Heidenheim fell into the relegation playoff spot, against SC Elversberg.
FC Köln earned the second straight promotion spot out of BL2.
Heidenheim and Elversberg drew 2-2 on 5/22, the second leg is tomorrow, 5/26.
Eintracht Braunschweig (BL2) and FC Saarbrücken (BL3) had Braunschweig going up 2-0 with the second leg on 5/27 to see who stays up or advances to BL2.
In other news, Stuttgart beat Arminia Bielefeld 4-2 on Saturday to win the DFB Pokal and earn a spot in Europa League next season. The 2 goals by Bielefeld were the first goals scored by a 3rd division side in the final.
Eintracht Frankfurt and Borussia Dortmund got the last two CL spots.
EL spot goes to SC Freiburg, ECL spot goes to Mainz 05. RB Leipzig and Werder Bremen miss out on Europe next season.
FC Heidenheim fell into the relegation playoff spot, against SC Elversberg.
FC Köln earned the second straight promotion spot out of BL2.
Heidenheim and Elversberg drew 2-2 on 5/22, the second leg is tomorrow, 5/26.
Eintracht Braunschweig (BL2) and FC Saarbrücken (BL3) had Braunschweig going up 2-0 with the second leg on 5/27 to see who stays up or advances to BL2.
In other news, Stuttgart beat Arminia Bielefeld 4-2 on Saturday to win the DFB Pokal and earn a spot in Europa League next season. The 2 goals by Bielefeld were the first goals scored by a 3rd division side in the final.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
What happened?
The Gator
Footballguy
Ref blew the whistle too soon when he thought the United keeper was fouled. The keeper never had control of the ball and Villas goal should have stood.
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Desert_Power
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Just saw this clip too. Pretty bad.Ref blew the whistle too soon when he thought the United keeper was fouled. The keeper never had control of the ball and Villas goal should have stood.
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CletiusMaximus
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Just saw this clip too. Pretty bad.Ref blew the whistle too soon when he thought the United keeper was fouled. The keeper never had control of the ball and Villas goal should have stood.
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We had two televisions set up yesterday and had this game on with the sound off, so no commentary and I didn’t realize there was no VAR review. I thought it was a good call live, or at least I would say it was what I expected because they always err on the side of protecting the GK in these situations. On slow mo replay it proved to be a much closer call. I don’t know how the rule is worded but if it requires the GK to be holding the ball, he never got to that point obviously. But if the rule speaks to “control” of the ball it’s the correct imo call because he had it corralled with his hands.
I’m torn on the whistle debate. Not opposed to VAR overall but I generally prefer referees making the call in the moment rather than outsourcing their decisions to the guys in the booth. If they think they’ve seen enough, I respect the refs who make a call an own it rather than letting it play on with VAR left to the job of overturning a non-call.
Another great final day for me and some friends yesterday. Results could not have come in much better for me personally. Rebecca Lowe was brilliant , resplendent, perfectly on-point all day. I miss her already and can hardly wait to see her smiling face again in August.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Control, per the laws, is when the ball is between the keepers hands, between a hand and another object (ground or body), or any part of his hand touching the ball except for when making a save. The angles I saw were not conclusive as to whether or not he was actually touching the ball when it was kicked away or not. Had he waited until the ball went in and went to review, not sure there would be enough to chalk off the goal. But because he called the foul before the goal, it cant be reviewed.Just saw this clip too. Pretty bad.Ref blew the whistle too soon when he thought the United keeper was fouled. The keeper never had control of the ball and Villas goal should have stood.
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We had two televisions set up yesterday and had this game on with the sound off, so no commentary and I didn’t realize there was no VAR review. I thought it was a good call live, or at least I would say it was what I expected because they always err on the side of protecting the GK in these situations. On slow mo replay it proved to be a much closer call. I don’t know how the rule is worded but if it requires the GK to be holding the ball, he never got to that point obviously. But if the rule speaks to “control” of the ball it’s the correct imo call because he had it corralled with his hands.
I’m torn on the whistle debate. Not opposed to VAR overall but I generally prefer referees making the call in the moment rather than outsourcing their decisions to the guys in the booth. If they think they’ve seen enough, I respect the refs who make a call an own it rather than letting it play on with VAR left to the job of overturning a non-call.
Another great final day for me and some friends yesterday. Results could not have come in much better for me personally. Rebecca Lowe was brilliant , resplendent, perfectly on-point all day. I miss her already and can hardly wait to see her smiling face again in August.
United were on the attack from the beginning, this play was against the run. Sadly it was a perfect example of what is wrong with United, No one can score for them. Had they played this was all season they may have actually been in the top half. They need a scorer badly.
But Emi Martinez bodying up Hojlund, who probably would have missed, is what cost Villa. Not this call, which may have been correct.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Agreed. The other part is the GK reaction for me. Vast majority of GKs would react much differently to someone trying to poke out a controlled ball. Ideally, the ref considers that before blowing the whistle.Control, per the laws, is when the ball is between the keepers hands, between a hand and another object (ground or body), or any part of his hand touching the ball except for when making a save. The angles I saw were not conclusive as to whether or not he was actually touching the ball when it was kicked away or not. Had he waited until the ball went in and went to review, not sure there would be enough to chalk off the goal. But because he called the foul before the goal, it cant be reviewed.Just saw this clip too. Pretty bad.Ref blew the whistle too soon when he thought the United keeper was fouled. The keeper never had control of the ball and Villas goal should have stood.
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We had two televisions set up yesterday and had this game on with the sound off, so no commentary and I didn’t realize there was no VAR review. I thought it was a good call live, or at least I would say it was what I expected because they always err on the side of protecting the GK in these situations. On slow mo replay it proved to be a much closer call. I don’t know how the rule is worded but if it requires the GK to be holding the ball, he never got to that point obviously. But if the rule speaks to “control” of the ball it’s the correct imo call because he had it corralled with his hands.
I’m torn on the whistle debate. Not opposed to VAR overall but I generally prefer referees making the call in the moment rather than outsourcing their decisions to the guys in the booth. If they think they’ve seen enough, I respect the refs who make a call an own it rather than letting it play on with VAR left to the job of overturning a non-call.
Another great final day for me and some friends yesterday. Results could not have come in much better for me personally. Rebecca Lowe was brilliant , resplendent, perfectly on-point all day. I miss her already and can hardly wait to see her smiling face again in August.
B Maverick
Footballguy
GK should have done better getting on the ball, and I think the GK panicked, esp after it was poked away from him. Very poor sequence from several people there.Agreed. The other part is the GK reaction for me. Vast majority of GKs would react much differently to someone trying to poke out a controlled ball. Ideally, the ref considers that before blowing the whistle.Control, per the laws, is when the ball is between the keepers hands, between a hand and another object (ground or body), or any part of his hand touching the ball except for when making a save. The angles I saw were not conclusive as to whether or not he was actually touching the ball when it was kicked away or not. Had he waited until the ball went in and went to review, not sure there would be enough to chalk off the goal. But because he called the foul before the goal, it cant be reviewed.Just saw this clip too. Pretty bad.Ref blew the whistle too soon when he thought the United keeper was fouled. The keeper never had control of the ball and Villas goal should have stood.
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We had two televisions set up yesterday and had this game on with the sound off, so no commentary and I didn’t realize there was no VAR review. I thought it was a good call live, or at least I would say it was what I expected because they always err on the side of protecting the GK in these situations. On slow mo replay it proved to be a much closer call. I don’t know how the rule is worded but if it requires the GK to be holding the ball, he never got to that point obviously. But if the rule speaks to “control” of the ball it’s the correct imo call because he had it corralled with his hands.
I’m torn on the whistle debate. Not opposed to VAR overall but I generally prefer referees making the call in the moment rather than outsourcing their decisions to the guys in the booth. If they think they’ve seen enough, I respect the refs who make a call an own it rather than letting it play on with VAR left to the job of overturning a non-call.
Another great final day for me and some friends yesterday. Results could not have come in much better for me personally. Rebecca Lowe was brilliant , resplendent, perfectly on-point all day. I miss her already and can hardly wait to see her smiling face again in August.
B Maverick
Footballguy
There is an Instagram account called refsneedlovetoo that does a good job breaking down plays like this one. He will show the actual laws and considerations a ref needs to go through for each call. I don't always agree with his interpretation of the play itself but it is hard to argue when he shows the laws and how he would apply them.
encaitar
Footballguy
Agree that Emi Martinez was an idiot and was the main cause for them missing out(which is really sad given how great he's been for them this year), but going up a goal in a must win game with 20 minutes left changes everything. We'd have seen the biggest parked bus of the season(and certainly another Harry Maguire #9 special) if that goal stood and it changes the entire end of the game, as Villa isn't still chasing a goal down a man, opening everything up.Control, per the laws, is when the ball is between the keepers hands, between a hand and another object (ground or body), or any part of his hand touching the ball except for when making a save. The angles I saw were not conclusive as to whether or not he was actually touching the ball when it was kicked away or not. Had he waited until the ball went in and went to review, not sure there would be enough to chalk off the goal. But because he called the foul before the goal, it cant be reviewed.Just saw this clip too. Pretty bad.Ref blew the whistle too soon when he thought the United keeper was fouled. The keeper never had control of the ball and Villas goal should have stood.
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We had two televisions set up yesterday and had this game on with the sound off, so no commentary and I didn’t realize there was no VAR review. I thought it was a good call live, or at least I would say it was what I expected because they always err on the side of protecting the GK in these situations. On slow mo replay it proved to be a much closer call. I don’t know how the rule is worded but if it requires the GK to be holding the ball, he never got to that point obviously. But if the rule speaks to “control” of the ball it’s the correct imo call because he had it corralled with his hands.
I’m torn on the whistle debate. Not opposed to VAR overall but I generally prefer referees making the call in the moment rather than outsourcing their decisions to the guys in the booth. If they think they’ve seen enough, I respect the refs who make a call an own it rather than letting it play on with VAR left to the job of overturning a non-call.
Another great final day for me and some friends yesterday. Results could not have come in much better for me personally. Rebecca Lowe was brilliant , resplendent, perfectly on-point all day. I miss her already and can hardly wait to see her smiling face again in August.
United were on the attack from the beginning, this play was against the run. Sadly it was a perfect example of what is wrong with United, No one can score for them. Had they played this was all season they may have actually been in the top half. They need a scorer badly.
But Emi Martinez bodying up Hojlund, who probably would have missed, is what cost Villa. Not this call, which may have been correct.
I guess I'm just on the side of... if the rules are there for refs to take advantage of VAR, then let the play finish before blowing the whistle, especially in this case where the play needed another 2 seconds to finish out. I have very little doubt that if roles were reversed that the whistle stays swallowed until the play is over.
And yes it's close to whether it's a foul or not... that's the point of letting it go to VAR.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Oh for sure I agree with all of this. It goes to the inconsistency of the refs and how they are instructed to call fouls. Was definitely a big moment and a big call to make.Agree that Emi Martinez was an idiot and was the main cause for them missing out(which is really sad given how great he's been for them this year), but going up a goal in a must win game with 20 minutes left changes everything. We'd have seen the biggest parked bus of the season(and certainly another Harry Maguire #9 special) if that goal stood and it changes the entire end of the game, as Villa isn't still chasing a goal down a man, opening everything up.Control, per the laws, is when the ball is between the keepers hands, between a hand and another object (ground or body), or any part of his hand touching the ball except for when making a save. The angles I saw were not conclusive as to whether or not he was actually touching the ball when it was kicked away or not. Had he waited until the ball went in and went to review, not sure there would be enough to chalk off the goal. But because he called the foul before the goal, it cant be reviewed.Just saw this clip too. Pretty bad.Ref blew the whistle too soon when he thought the United keeper was fouled. The keeper never had control of the ball and Villas goal should have stood.
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We had two televisions set up yesterday and had this game on with the sound off, so no commentary and I didn’t realize there was no VAR review. I thought it was a good call live, or at least I would say it was what I expected because they always err on the side of protecting the GK in these situations. On slow mo replay it proved to be a much closer call. I don’t know how the rule is worded but if it requires the GK to be holding the ball, he never got to that point obviously. But if the rule speaks to “control” of the ball it’s the correct imo call because he had it corralled with his hands.
I’m torn on the whistle debate. Not opposed to VAR overall but I generally prefer referees making the call in the moment rather than outsourcing their decisions to the guys in the booth. If they think they’ve seen enough, I respect the refs who make a call an own it rather than letting it play on with VAR left to the job of overturning a non-call.
Another great final day for me and some friends yesterday. Results could not have come in much better for me personally. Rebecca Lowe was brilliant , resplendent, perfectly on-point all day. I miss her already and can hardly wait to see her smiling face again in August.
United were on the attack from the beginning, this play was against the run. Sadly it was a perfect example of what is wrong with United, No one can score for them. Had they played this was all season they may have actually been in the top half. They need a scorer badly.
But Emi Martinez bodying up Hojlund, who probably would have missed, is what cost Villa. Not this call, which may have been correct.
I guess I'm just on the side of... if the rules are there for refs to take advantage of VAR, then let the play finish before blowing the whistle, especially in this case where the play needed another 2 seconds to finish out. I have very little doubt that if roles were reversed that the whistle stays swallowed until the play is over.
And yes it's close to whether it's a foul or not... that's the point of letting it go to VAR.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Positions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 17: Champions League
Positions 6, 12: Europa League
Position 7: Conference League qualifying
Positions 18, 19, 20: Relegation
This is quite entertaining to read with 17 and 12 qualifying for Europe.
Positions 6, 12: Europa League
Position 7: Conference League qualifying
Positions 18, 19, 20: Relegation
This is quite entertaining to read with 17 and 12 qualifying for Europe.
encaitar
Footballguy
Please, bin Salman has £100M in loose change in his couch. The money doesn't matter and Europa League is a Cup you could've won...
B Maverick
Footballguy
Hey there's still a 1 in 115 chance that AV can get in.
depending on if the FA ever makes a decision on the City charges.
depending on if the FA ever makes a decision on the City charges.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Agree that Emi Martinez was an idiot and was the main cause for them missing out(which is really sad given how great he's been for them this year), but going up a goal in a must win game with 20 minutes left changes everything. We'd have seen the biggest parked bus of the season(and certainly another Harry Maguire #9 special) if that goal stood and it changes the entire end of the game, as Villa isn't still chasing a goal down a man, opening everything up.Control, per the laws, is when the ball is between the keepers hands, between a hand and another object (ground or body), or any part of his hand touching the ball except for when making a save. The angles I saw were not conclusive as to whether or not he was actually touching the ball when it was kicked away or not. Had he waited until the ball went in and went to review, not sure there would be enough to chalk off the goal. But because he called the foul before the goal, it cant be reviewed.Just saw this clip too. Pretty bad.Ref blew the whistle too soon when he thought the United keeper was fouled. The keeper never had control of the ball and Villas goal should have stood.
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We had two televisions set up yesterday and had this game on with the sound off, so no commentary and I didn’t realize there was no VAR review. I thought it was a good call live, or at least I would say it was what I expected because they always err on the side of protecting the GK in these situations. On slow mo replay it proved to be a much closer call. I don’t know how the rule is worded but if it requires the GK to be holding the ball, he never got to that point obviously. But if the rule speaks to “control” of the ball it’s the correct imo call because he had it corralled with his hands.
I’m torn on the whistle debate. Not opposed to VAR overall but I generally prefer referees making the call in the moment rather than outsourcing their decisions to the guys in the booth. If they think they’ve seen enough, I respect the refs who make a call an own it rather than letting it play on with VAR left to the job of overturning a non-call.
Another great final day for me and some friends yesterday. Results could not have come in much better for me personally. Rebecca Lowe was brilliant , resplendent, perfectly on-point all day. I miss her already and can hardly wait to see her smiling face again in August.
United were on the attack from the beginning, this play was against the run. Sadly it was a perfect example of what is wrong with United, No one can score for them. Had they played this was all season they may have actually been in the top half. They need a scorer badly.
But Emi Martinez bodying up Hojlund, who probably would have missed, is what cost Villa. Not this call, which may have been correct.
I guess I'm just on the side of... if the rules are there for refs to take advantage of VAR, then let the play finish before blowing the whistle, especially in this case where the play needed another 2 seconds to finish out. I have very little doubt that if roles were reversed that the whistle stays swallowed until the play is over.
And yes it's close to whether it's a foul or not... that's the point of letting it go to VAR.
I've not seen an "official" explanation, but for me the complicating factor is that the attacking player's foot stepped on the goalkeeper's hand, which (I believe) is a foul whether or not he poked the ball away first. I personally prefer the ref to make the call on the field if he believes he saw the play correctly. Otherwise, the VAR is reviewing a goal that was given and has to overturn it, which I think is always going to favor allowing the goal, so its not a neutral review situation.
McBokonon
Footballguy
Can't really spend like it, though, with PSR - at least not until we figure out how to cheat the system like City or Chelsea. Champions league money offers more wiggle room, plus it lessens the threat of losing guys like Isak, Bruno G, Tonali, Tino, etc.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Well, I wouldn't have put money on Sancho scoring and Antony not....
Oh sorry, I meant Former United Player Jadon Sancho and Former United Player Antony.
Congrats to Chelsea for collecting all the European trophies (CL, Europa, Conf League)
Oh sorry, I meant Former United Player Jadon Sancho and Former United Player Antony.
Congrats to Chelsea for collecting all the European trophies (CL, Europa, Conf League)
encaitar
Footballguy
Good luck. I wouldn't mind seeing PSG win it just for the Ewing Theory, but I'd be happy to see you enjoy a trophy!
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
If I have to see a Linkin Park pregame show, can we at least get prime Ronaldinho?
titusbramble
Footballguy
If you don't celebrate a goal in a Big Cup final get off the park
Yo Mama
Footballguy
#32 for Inter Milan kept 2 PSG players onsides by himself. He seemed way out of position on that goal.
titusbramble
Footballguy
gg
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
PSG lost three generational players in Neymar, Messi and Mbappe and got better.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
One of my favorite parts of the sport is the smallest of plays in the midfield can instantly unlock and unbalance a defense.
titusbramble
Footballguy
WILL SOMEBODY STOP THE DAMN MATCH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
encaitar
Footballguy
Ewing Theory in effect.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Happy for Luis Enrique. Always think highly of him as a coach and not surprised he’s the one to finally get PSG over the hump
titusbramble
Footballguy
Woof
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