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101 Best Songs of 1986 vs 1996: #1 There Is A Light That Never Goes Out - The Smiths / A Long December - Counting Crows (1 Viewer)

#76

More from both of these bands coming up a bit later.

Why Can’t This Be Love - Van Halen

I’m firmly on team DLR, but 5150 did make a pretty strong case for Van Hagar in 1986. The album’s first single - Why Can’t This Be Love - peaked at #2, making it VH’s all-time biggest hit after Jump.

Lady Picture Show - Stone Temple Pilots

Grunge seemed to be on its last legs in ‘96. STP’s Tiny Music... Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop still sold a ton of records (2 million) by today’s standard, but that was still just a fraction of their first two albums. Lady Picture Show reached #6 on the Modern Rock Chart and hit #1 on Mainstream Rock.
 
Ba Ba Ba Ba Ba - Mr. T Experience

I can’t thank FBG legend @Beckster enough for turning me on to Mr T. Experience - she was a true pop-punk savant. Even managed to get me to buy and read Dr. Frank’s YA novel King Dork.

In to be totally insufferable about my favorite MTX album.

Now’s your chance to shine @Ramsay Hunt Experience
Sorry to be late on this. I've spent the past two days alternately doom-scrolling and schadenfreude scrolling.

Like scorchy, I was introduced to MTX by the OG FBG HOFer Beckster*. And Dr. Frank's combination of infectious pop-punk hooks and self-deprecating lyrics were like catnip to me. It's kind of a shame that while I had heard of the band in 1996, I wasn't really familiar with the work, because so much of Love is Dead seems to have been written about the person I was in college. An self-loathing incel with a huge martyr complex and sharp sense of humor that I tried to mostly turn on myself but which could really hurt people if I let it get away from me. I'm thankful that the incel culture on the internet didn't exist then. I managed to never truly let the complex descend into misogyny, but I didn't have an online culture egging me on. I had friends telling me to stop being a douche. I am eternally thankful.

Ba Ba Ba Ba Ba is probably the most sing-alongable song on the album, but Sackcloth and Ashes is the song that speaks to me. It's really about the realization that I had by myself at about the time the album was released in 1996. That I had to start cutting myself some slack and start seeing interactions with people as an opportunity to just have fun and be myself instead of as a referendum on me as a person. I did some online personals, met my future wife, and moved on to being messed up in other more interesting ways.

I'm just realized who this is. Hi Scoob. Maybe I knew that once, but don't really post or read much here anymore.

It all makes sense now, as I found myself giggling at a lot of your posts.
 
#76

More from both of these bands coming up a bit later.

Why Can’t This Be Love - Van Halen

I’m firmly on team DLR, but 5150 did make a pretty strong case for Van Hagar in 1986. The album’s first single - Why Can’t This Be Love - peaked at #2, making it VH’s all-time biggest hit after Jump.

Lady Picture Show - Stone Temple Pilots

Grunge seemed to be on its last legs in ‘96. STP’s Tiny Music... Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop still sold a ton of records (2 million) by today’s standard, but that was still just a fraction of their first two albums. Lady Picture Show reached #6 on the Modern Rock Chart and hit #1 on Mainstream Rock.
Why Can’t This Be Love is milquetoast in a genre where that’s a no-no. Major disappointment.

Something seriously weird was going on with Weiland’s voice by 1996.
 
Peaches - Presidents of the United States of America

The second single released from PotUSA’s prior year debut, Peaches was the band’s only foray into the Billboard Top 40 (though previous single Lump did top the Modern Rock charts in 1995). It also hit #1 in Iceland - do they even have peaches there?

I still really like the Presidents. Their upbeat sorta alterna-schtick of being a giant love-in later in their career helped them attain a cult following. I saw them at Toad's Place in New Haven (the site of JIm Morrison's penile wanderings) and it was really as advertised -- just a fun show with no real '90-'96 sadness baggage in sight. Quirky and fun even when the topics are heartbreak or loss.

 
And it's my opinion also that MTX's best was Love Is Dead in '96. I also think that it was probably the finest pop/punk album to date in the entire genre, a genre that was swelling at the time into a sort of rote, paint-by-numbers approach where the innocence and fun was gone from the scene and was replaced by thoughts of commercial success and a creeping angst that sort of came along with it.

But that's my experience with it. It's a well-written, well-performed punk album, and one of my favorites.
 
Why Can’t This Be Love - Van Halen

I’m firmly on team DLR, but 5150 did make a pretty strong case for Van Hagar in 1986. The album’s first single - Why Can’t This Be Love - peaked at #2, making it VH’s all-time biggest hit after Jump.
Mick Jones of Foreigner produced this album. When he returned to work with Lou Gramm, Jones used the success of "5150" to bludgeon Gramm's anger over the group's turn to ballads and synthesizers.

Gramm wanted "Jukebox Hero" songs, Jones told him those days were over, and this was the new sound. Foreigner did one more modestly successful album with Gramm as vocalist, and then that was it.
 
Why Can’t This Be Love - Van Halen

I’m firmly on team DLR, but 5150 did make a pretty strong case for Van Hagar in 1986. The album’s first single - Why Can’t This Be Love - peaked at #2, making it VH’s all-time biggest hit after Jump.
Mick Jones of Foreigner produced this album. When he returned to work with Lou Gramm, Jones used the success of "5150" to bludgeon Gramm's anger over the group's turn to ballads and synthesizers.

Gramm wanted "Jukebox Hero" songs, Jones told him those days were over, and this was the new sound. Foreigner did one more modestly successful album with Gramm as vocalist, and then that was it.
So this record ruined TWO bands. Wonderful.
 
#75

Back in the day, long before it became saturated with million-dollar condos and overrun with rich 20-something LAX-bros/sorority girls whose dream is to one day be selected for Date Lab*, DC had legitimate music scenes. Go-go never quite spread beyond the DMV (though EU did have a hit with Da Butt in 1988) but DC hardcore went nationwide. Bad Brains were the godfathers before getting banned by most clubs and moving to NYC. Girls Against Boys started off as a Fugazi side-project before making a name on their own, also ditching DC for New York.

Damn shame what happened to the place. Excuse me while I go break some #### then re-read a George Pelecanos novel.

I really should have ranked both of these higher.

I Against I - Bad Brains

Super-Fire - Girls Against Boys

*Google it if you feel like being depressed.
 
#74

6 in the Mornin' - Ice T

Maybe the first breakout song of the gangsta rap genre, for better or worse. 6’ in the Mornin’ was first released as a B-side to Ice-T’s 1986 single Dog n’ the Wax. It got more play when it was included on T’s debut record the following year.

Ambitions Az A Rider - 2Pac

Ambitions Az A Rider is the first track on the last “living” 2Pac album. Never released as a single, it remains one of the records most beloved songs. The simple little piano riff is perfect and instantly recognizable.
 
#73

Kyrie - Mr. Mister

Mr. Mister came from absolutely nowhere to record consecutive #1 singles - first with Broken Wings in late 1995 then Kyrie in March 1996. Perfectly pleasant pop, the kind that even your parents would listen to. I wasn't Catholic - not sure I even knew any Catholic kids at the time - so the whole meaning of Kyrie was lost on me. The band scored one more top 10 hit (Is It Love) from Welcome to the Real World. Their follow-up album flopped with only one forgettable single making a small dent in the charts, and then poof, Mr. Mister was gone.

Shadowboxer - Fiona Apple

I was kind-of shocked to learn that Fiona Apple's debut album Tidal was released in '96. I don't think I was remotely aware of her presence till the creepy/hot video for Criminal dropped in the summer of 1997 and suddenly everyone was buying her record. Great album, and if the Criminal single had been released in 1996, it would have been in my 10 ten for the year.
 
#73

Kyrie - Mr. Mister

Mr. Mister came from absolutely nowhere to record consecutive #1 singles - first with Broken Wings in late 1995 then Kyrie in March 1996. Perfectly pleasant pop, the kind that even your parents would listen to. I wasn't Catholic - not sure I even knew any Catholic kids at the time - so the whole meaning of Kyrie was lost on me. The band scored one more top 10 hit (Is It Love) from Welcome to the Real World. Their follow-up album flopped with only one forgettable single making a small dent in the charts, and then poof, Mr. Mister was gone.

Shadowboxer - Fiona Apple

I was kind-of shocked to learn that Fiona Apple's debut album Tidal was released in '96. I don't think I was remotely aware of her presence till the creepy/hot video for Criminal dropped in the summer of 1997 and suddenly everyone was buying her record. Great album, and if the Criminal single had been released in 1996, it would have been in my 10 ten for the year.
My first wife was all about Fiona, so we definitely had the album in '96. Sleep to Dream remains my favorite from it.

Broken Wings is stereotypical '80s blah, but Kyrie is a pretty bumpin' tune for what it is. Not only did grunge kill hair metal, it killed bands like Mr. Mister.
 
#72

Peace Sells... - Megadeth

As a Metallica fan, it was sort-of required to think of Dave Mustaine as a jackass. I like Peace Sells... a lot, but I'm not sure it really helps that image. What did rehabilitate Dave a bit was watching Some Kind of Monster and recognizing that maybe we shouldn't believe everything Lars and James said about him. I'm not sure Peace Sells... technically qualifies as a "hit," but the cass-single went gold and VH1 ranked it at #11 on their Greatest Metal Songs list.

Popular - Nada Surf

A novelty song that that doesn't reflect the rest of the band's output at all, and I had no idea until someone in the FFA started pimping Nada Surf's 2003 album Let Go. I gave it a spin at the listening station of the local Tower Records and loved it - if I ever was to do a countdown of 2003, The Way You Wear Your Head would be near the top. The lyrics of Popular come from an actual 1960's book of advice called Penny's Guide to Teen-Age Charm and Popularity, and the sardonic delivery turned it into the bands only hit.
 
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Kyrie - Mr. Mister

Mr. Mister came from absolutely nowhere to record consecutive #1 singles - first with Broken Wings in late 1995 then Kyrie in March 1996. Perfectly pleasant pop, the kind that even your parents would listen to. I wasn't Catholic - not sure I even knew any Catholic kids at the time - so the whole meaning of Kyrie was lost on me. The band scored one more top 10 hit (Is It Love) from Welcome to the Real World. Their follow-up album flopped with only one forgettable single making a small dent in the charts, and then poof, Mr. Mister was gone.
Reminds me of the time that my brother in law started describing a song with weird lyrics about someone “carrying a laser” and took us a bit to figure out what he was talking about.
 
#72

Peace Sells... - Megadeth

As a Metallica fan, it was sort-of required to think of Dave Mustaine as a jackass. I like Peace Sells... a lot, but I'm not sure it really helps that image. What did rehabilitate Dave a bit was watching Some Kind of Monster and recognizing that maybe we shouldn't believe everything Lars and James said about him. I'm not sure Peace Sells... technically qualifies as a "hit," but the cass-single went gold and VH1 ranked it at #11 on their Greatest Metal Songs list.

Popular - Nada Surf

A novelty song that that doesn't reflect the rest of the band's output at all, and I had no idea until someone in the FFA started pimping Nada Surf's 2003 album Let Go. I gave it a spin at the listening station of the local Tower Records and loved it - if I ever was to do a countdown of 2003, The Way You Wear Your Head would be near the top. The lyrics of Popular come from an actual 1960's book of advice called Penny's Guide to Teen-Age Charm and Popularity, and the sardonic delivery turned it into the bands only hit.
Love this pairing
 
#72

Peace Sells... - Megadeth

As a Metallica fan, it was sort-of required to think of Dave Mustaine as a jackass. I like Peace Sells... a lot, but I'm not sure it really helps that image. What did rehabilitate Dave a bit was watching Some Kind of Monster and recognizing that maybe we shouldn't believe everything Lars and James said about him. I'm not sure Peace Sells... technically qualifies as a "hit," but the cass-single went gold and VH1 ranked it at #11 on their Greatest Metal Songs list.

Popular - Nada Surf

A novelty song that that doesn't reflect the rest of the band's output at all, and I had no idea until someone in the FFA started pimping Nada Surf's 2003 album Let Go. I gave it a spin at the listening station of the local Tower Records and loved it - if I ever was to do a countdown of 2003, The Way You Wear Your Head would be near the top. The lyrics of Popular come from an actual 1960's book of advice called Penny's Guide to Teen-Age Charm and Popularity, and the sardonic delivery turned it into the bands only hit.
Love this pairing
They do have an odd symmetry.
 
#71

Guitars, Cadillacs - Dwight Yoakam

Dwight Yoakam showed up in a mid-80s Nashville scene dominated by pop-country. Debut album Guitars, Cadillacs - featuring a thowback twangy sound reminiscent of Buck Owens/Bakersfield swing - was a breath of fresh air and became the first of three consecutive #1 records. A decade later, his turn as Doyle opposite Billy Bob in Sling Blade was downright terrifying.

Goodnight Elisabeth - Counting Crows

I'm an unapologetic Counting Crows fan. This album track from their second record is one of my - and @simey 's - favorites. It makes me sad in all the best ways.
 
Dwight Yoakam showed up in a mid-80s Nashville scene dominated by pop-country. Debut album Guitars, Cadillacs - featuring a thowback twangy sound reminiscent of Buck Owens/Bakersfield swing - was a breath of fresh air and became the first of three consecutive #1 records. A decade later, his turn as Doyle opposite Billy Bob in Sling Blade was downright terrifying.
Yoakum's one of those artists who is always interesting. Even if I end up not falling in love to whatever particular song I'm listening to by him (a rare thing for me), I love that he tries what he tries.

He & Steve Earle are the missing link between Gram Parsons and the alt-country rise of the '90s.
 
I recently jumped back into Dwight's music the last couple years and just really dig it. Karaoke night at my neighbor's Garage Cantina has seen a handful of really awful GM attempts at "Fast As You". Terrific song and yeah, Yocum as an actor is just.....:chef's kiss:
 
I recently jumped back into Dwight's music the last couple years and just really dig it. Karaoke night at my neighbor's Garage Cantina has seen a handful of really awful GM attempts at "Fast As You". Terrific song and yeah, Yocum as an actor is just.....:chef's kiss:
Am I wrong that it was you who turned me on to Nada Surf's Let Go? Didn't want to tag you in case my memory was faulty.
 
#71

Guitars, Cadillacs - Dwight Yoakam

Dwight Yoakam showed up in a mid-80s Nashville scene dominated by pop-country. Debut album Guitars, Cadillacs - featuring a thowback twangy sound reminiscent of Buck Owens/Bakersfield swing - was a breath of fresh air and became the first of three consecutive #1 records. A decade later, his turn as Doyle opposite Billy Bob in Sling Blade was downright terrifying.

Goodnight Elisabeth - Counting Crows

I'm an unapologetic Counting Crows fan. This album track from their second record is one of my - and @simey 's - favorites. It makes me sad in all the best ways.
Dwight Yoakum is pretty badass
 
# 79

The Final Countdown - Europe

The first time I heard The Final Countdown, I was at Skateland, and like dozens of other 13-year old boys there, the sheer awesomeness of the keyboard riff pushed me to lightning-fast speeds. I know it gets included on a bunch of “worst song ever” lists, but those voters obviously have no soul (or at least low levels of testosterone). The Final Countdown hit #1 in nine countries, but stalled at #8 in the U.S. Millions of Europeans and Gob Bluth can’t be wrong.

Lovefool - The Cardigans

The Cardigans were a little more hip that their fellow Swedes in Europe. Lovefool blew up in the States when it was included on the Romeo and Juliet soundtrack. Leo and Claire were so great together...

Love both these songs

Also find Nina super hot. Love their Iron Man cover too. Swear it sounds like she say I Run Man though
 
#77

Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins

No revisiting of 1986 would be complete without some Top Gun. I immediately axed Take My Breath Away from the list of potentials because it sucked to see a cool band like Berlin record such schmaltz, even it did hit #1. Kenny Loggins always was always a bit cheesy anyway, and Danger Zone was way more central to the movie, so it got the nod.

List of artists offered Danger Zone before Kenny, according to Wikipedia: Starship, Toto, Corey Hart, and REO Speedwagon. Yikes.

Peaches - Presidents of the United States of America

The second single released from PotUSA’s prior year debut, Peaches was the band’s only foray into the Billboard Top 40 (though previous single Lump did top the Modern Rock charts in 1995). It also hit #1 in Iceland - do they even have peaches there?

Named my fantasy football team Danger Zone because of Archer
 
#70

Swamp Thing - Chameleons

The last single ever released by Manchester post-punk legends The Chameleons, taken from their third and final (pre-reunion) album Strange Times.


6 Underground - Sneaker Pimps

Sneaker Pimps’ debut album Becoming X was the trip-hop’ genre's most commercially successful record in the States, despite the band being seen as genre-hoppers and thus not particularly beloved in their native England. 6 Underground reached #7 on the US Modern Rock Chart and nearly broke into the Billboard Top 40. Follow-up single Spin Spin Sugar also had a nice run at the clubs.
 
Swamp Thing is awesome. I am so hoping Chameleons with The Mission (UK) show doesn’t get postponed again next September. Sooooo looking forward to finally seeing them. Totally underrated band.
 
#69

Nobody’s Fool - Cinderella

In mid-1985, Cinderella was just another unsigned Philly-area bar band playing middling clubs throughout the mid-Atlantic. By late summer 1986, their debut album on Polygram - Night Songs - had reached #3 on the Billboard charts on its way to selling 3 million copies. Second single Nobody’s Fool was in constant rotation on my local pizzeria’s jukebox. Still love Tom Kiefer’s voice.

Blow Up The Outside World - Soundgarden

Though it only had a fraction of the sales of its predecessor, I much prefer Down on the Upside to Superunknown. Third single Blow Up the Outside World hit #1 on the Mainstream Rock Chart.
 
I recently jumped back into Dwight's music the last couple years and just really dig it. Karaoke night at my neighbor's Garage Cantina has seen a handful of really awful GM attempts at "Fast As You". Terrific song and yeah, Yocum as an actor is just.....:chef's kiss:

I Sang Dixie still give me chills. It would never be recorded today, as the political climate wouldn't allow it, but I still love it.
 
#69

Nobody’s Fool - Cinderella

In mid-1985, Cinderella was just another unsigned Philly-area bar band playing middling clubs throughout the mid-Atlantic. By late summer 1986, their debut album on Polygram - Night Songs - had reached #3 on the Billboard charts on its way to selling 3 million copies. Second single Nobody’s Fool was in constant rotation on my local pizzeria’s jukebox. Still love Tom Kiefer’s voice.

Blow Up The Outside World - Soundgarden

Though it only had a fraction of the sales of its predecessor, I much prefer Down on the Upside to Superunknown. Third single Blow Up the Outside World hit #1 on the Mainstream Rock Chart.

Love both of these. Cinderella has place in the hair metal hall of fame. As for Soundgarden, they are, to this day, still my favorite band. I remember when Down on the Upside was released, I drove to a town an hour away, because my local record shop wouldn't get the album for another week. I wore that cassette out, but by then had a CD player so replaced it with that. Then some tweeker I was .. ahem ... spending time with, she stole all my ####, including CDs. I had to replace it again. It's that good.
 
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Nobody’s Fool - Cinderella

In mid-1985, Cinderella was just another unsigned Philly-area bar band playing middling clubs throughout the mid-Atlantic. By late summer 1986, their debut album on Polygram - Night Songs - had reached #3 on the Billboard charts on its way to selling 3 million copies. Second single Nobody’s Fool was in constant rotation on my local pizzeria’s jukebox. Still love Tom Kiefer’s voice.

Blow Up The Outside World - Soundgarden

Though it only had a fraction of the sales of its predecessor, I much prefer Down on the Upside to Superunknown. Third single Blow Up the Outside World hit #1 on the Mainstream Rock Chart.
I don't put it in the same category as Badmotorfinger or Superunknown, but Down on the Upside is still a fantastic record, with excellence beyond its big three singles.

In my wealthy school in the Philly suburbs, hair metal wasn't cool and it didn't matter if the band was from the area. So I never knew much about Cinderella other than their big hit.
 
I don't put it in the same category as Badmotorfinger or Superunknown, but Down on the Upside is still a fantastic record, with excellence beyond its big three singles.

In my wealthy school in the Philly suburbs, hair metal wasn't cool and it didn't matter if the band was from the area. So I never knew much about Cinderella other than their big hit.
Love Badmotorfinger but Superunknown just didn't resonate with me.

In my rural kinda-poor school 2 hours south of Philly, hair metal was king.
 
I don't put it in the same category as Badmotorfinger or Superunknown, but Down on the Upside is still a fantastic record, with excellence beyond its big three singles.

In my wealthy school in the Philly suburbs, hair metal wasn't cool and it didn't matter if the band was from the area. So I never knew much about Cinderella other than their big hit.
Love Badmotorfinger but Superunknown just didn't resonate with me.

In my rural kinda-poor school 2 hours south of Philly, hair metal was king.
The blues metal sound of Cinderella has been one of my favorites since Night Songs was released. Cinderella was also great live and was huge in my rural, poor school in western PA. I remember skipping school and jamming to Cinderella while cruising around with the pals. Great days.
 
I can still remember being in the back seat of a Subaru DL10 that I would later own in high school, driving to Florida with my parents while listening to Cinderella's Night Songs. Glued to my walkman the entire trip, I eventually came to life once we actually hit Florida (from CT). I seriously hate my teenage self, but that was a pretty cool album.

I count the falling tears
They fall before my eyes
Seems like a million years
Since we broke the ties...
 
Trying to hide these in here when everybody else is watching football.

#s 68 -66

Madonna and Mariah were two of the biggest stars on the planet in ‘86/’96 respectively. Each had much better songs over the years, but they still are pleasant listens, and both were huge, hitting #1 in countries spanning the globe. Mariah on the tire swing - oh my.

Papa Don't Preach - Madonna
Always Be My Baby - Mariah Carey


The first #1s from two icons who would go on to have a bunch more between them. These were the moments when Janet was finally out from the shadow of Michael (and her dad) and everyone was realizing that Gwen was way bigger than No Doubt.

When I Think Of You - Janet Jackson
Don’t Speak - No Doubt


At the time, I can’t say I loved either one of these songs, but now they both make me inexplicably happy. Everything else the Spice Girls did sucked, and I’m not sure Stacey Q ever made anything culturally relevant again., but damn if these aren’t two pop gems.

Two of Hearts - Stacey Q
Wannabe - Spice Girls
 

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