Sitting at about 120 right now...Teddy GInn and Ricky Williams are close to my leading WR and RB today...Marshall/Cutler the other night might be all for not. Steve Smith??? LJ SMith??? Philly??? I'm running out of bulletsChris Johnson and Steve Slaton having awful days with Barber, Cooley and Moss out has pretty much doomed me. Only 79 points so far.![]()
I don't keep track of stuff like that, and honestly I can't remember if I even calculated early cuts the last few weeks. I'm expecting a higher cut as well, with Williams, Cutler, and Marshall all having decent games, coupled with the 30% kill rate this week. Of course, there are a bunch of big players down, and just from observing comments this week, it appears a lot of teams weren't paying a lot of attention to who was on bye together this week.I suspect a fair amount of teams don't have a QB score yet, and they are depending on Warner for their points. I suspect the MNF cut will be a big rise this week if he has even a decent (not great) game.All the above is just speculation, but by the sheer cut numbers, this week's final cut should be the highest yet.CTR, how does your cut number of 119 after the early games compare to the last few weeks? Its a little lower than I was expecting, so Im wondering if were going to have another week with the cut line below 140.
FYI, a 30 point night by Warner currently raises the cut by 10 points all by itself (in the FS database). I'd say a lot of people on the good side of the cut will be pulling for him to have a quiet night.I don't keep track of stuff like that, and honestly I can't remember if I even calculated early cuts the last few weeks. I'm expecting a higher cut as well, with Williams, Cutler, and Marshall all having decent games, coupled with the 30% kill rate this week. Of course, there are a bunch of big players down, and just from observing comments this week, it appears a lot of teams weren't paying a lot of attention to who was on bye together this week.I suspect a fair amount of teams don't have a QB score yet, and they are depending on Warner for their points. I suspect the MNF cut will be a big rise this week if he has even a decent (not great) game.All the above is just speculation, but by the sheer cut numbers, this week's final cut should be the highest yet.CTR, how does your cut number of 119 after the early games compare to the last few weeks? Its a little lower than I was expecting, so Im wondering if were going to have another week with the cut line below 140.
Agree. I t looks like it will be high. With 70% ownership, if Warner has his typical game of 30, he'll move the cut 15 by himself.I suspect a fair amount of teams don't have a QB score yet, and they are depending on Warner for their points. I suspect the MNF cut will be a big rise this week if he has even a decent (not great) game.
Where'd you pull that 15 from?Agree. I t looks like it will be high. With 70% ownership, if Warner has his typical game of 30, he'll move the cut 15 by himself.I suspect a fair amount of teams don't have a QB score yet, and they are depending on Warner for their points. I suspect the MNF cut will be a big rise this week if he has even a decent (not great) game.
Wow, things can change quickly in the NFL. Torain was decent for 1 week but is gone for the year. The other 3 guys mentioned were non-factors today. Plus he had a bunch of guys lay eggs this week (Slaton, S.Smith, Jennings, Avery). Interested to see if he still makes the cut.The more I look at it, the more amazing it is.Torain, Rice, Charles, and Avery are just now starting to add their contributions to his weekly scores.Not surprisingly, this is the top team in the simulation to take it all.Wow, I love that team.Only a couple of minor misses on players, several very nice hits (so far), and great uniqueness.Here is a pretty scary team:
Drew Brees $23 33.95 15.70 27.05 35.05 21.10 34.70 10.55 32.35 0.00 Jay Cutler $14 27.85 41.10 24.90 22.65 18.95 22.80 14.20 0.00 24.55 Kurt Warner $5 15.45 36.05 20.60 32.60 25.50 22.70 0.00 30.05 28.90 Marion Barber $40 23.60 25.40 23.20 4.70 10.20 28.80 17.80 13.00 4.70 Matt Forte $20 21.60 12.80 25.00 11.00 20.10 19.50 14.30 0.00 13.60 Ryan Torain $5 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.10 Ray Rice $4 9.80 0.00 2.10 0.00 0.00 12.20 6.90 11.60 19.10 Jamaal Charles $2 4.40 2.70 7.70 1.80 6.00 0.00 6.30 5.40 10.60 Steve Slaton $1 6.40 0.00 20.40 21.60 22.10 6.60 16.40 13.60 15.80 Brandon Marshall $23 0.00 40.60 27.50 19.60 5.50 18.80 14.40 0.00 4.70 Steve Smith $23 0.00 0.00 11.00 21.60 15.60 17.20 24.20 28.10 0.00 Greg Jennings $22 14.10 22.70 19.50 28.90 18.70 19.40 6.20 0.00 10.90 Anthony Gonzalez $14 9.80 22.70 5.70 0.00 1.30 7.30 12.20 6.70 21.50 Donnie Avery $5 0.00 0.00 5.40 14.90 0.00 10.80 18.20 28.20 5.60 James Jones $5 0.00 12.90 0.00 0.00 1.90 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Sinorice Moss $2 3.30 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.20 Chris Cooley $19 2.20 14.70 17.70 8.80 28.90 13.20 9.20 16.40 19.80 Leonard Pope $5 2.00 3.00 0.00 0.00 1.90 4.20 0.00 0.00 0.00 Stephen Gostkowski $5 6.00 14.00 10.00 0.00 17.00 6.00 14.00 14.00 10.00 Robbie Gould $2 11.00 5.00 14.00 8.00 13.00 10.00 14.00 0.00 12.00 Minnesota Vikings $8 0.00 6.00 15.00 2.00 15.00 10.00 4.00 0.00 11.00 Carolina Panthers $3 9.00 5.00 5.00 2.00 9.00 0.00 5.00 6.00 0.00A hot streak by some combination of Torain/Charles/Avery and this guy has a huge advantage over the rest of the field.
I agree, without adding it up, he isn't scoring a ton this week... could be close.Wow, things can change quickly in the NFL. Torain was decent for 1 week but is gone for the year. The other 3 guys mentioned were non-factors today. Plus he had a bunch of guys lay eggs this week (Slaton, S.Smith, Jennings, Avery). Interested to see if he still makes the cut.The more I look at it, the more amazing it is.Torain, Rice, Charles, and Avery are just now starting to add their contributions to his weekly scores.Not surprisingly, this is the top team in the simulation to take it all.Wow, I love that team.Only a couple of minor misses on players, several very nice hits (so far), and great uniqueness.Here is a pretty scary team:
Drew Brees $23 33.95 15.70 27.05 35.05 21.10 34.70 10.55 32.35 0.00 Jay Cutler $14 27.85 41.10 24.90 22.65 18.95 22.80 14.20 0.00 24.55 Kurt Warner $5 15.45 36.05 20.60 32.60 25.50 22.70 0.00 30.05 28.90 Marion Barber $40 23.60 25.40 23.20 4.70 10.20 28.80 17.80 13.00 4.70 Matt Forte $20 21.60 12.80 25.00 11.00 20.10 19.50 14.30 0.00 13.60 Ryan Torain $5 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.10 Ray Rice $4 9.80 0.00 2.10 0.00 0.00 12.20 6.90 11.60 19.10 Jamaal Charles $2 4.40 2.70 7.70 1.80 6.00 0.00 6.30 5.40 10.60 Steve Slaton $1 6.40 0.00 20.40 21.60 22.10 6.60 16.40 13.60 15.80 Brandon Marshall $23 0.00 40.60 27.50 19.60 5.50 18.80 14.40 0.00 4.70 Steve Smith $23 0.00 0.00 11.00 21.60 15.60 17.20 24.20 28.10 0.00 Greg Jennings $22 14.10 22.70 19.50 28.90 18.70 19.40 6.20 0.00 10.90 Anthony Gonzalez $14 9.80 22.70 5.70 0.00 1.30 7.30 12.20 6.70 21.50 Donnie Avery $5 0.00 0.00 5.40 14.90 0.00 10.80 18.20 28.20 5.60 James Jones $5 0.00 12.90 0.00 0.00 1.90 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Sinorice Moss $2 3.30 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.20 Chris Cooley $19 2.20 14.70 17.70 8.80 28.90 13.20 9.20 16.40 19.80 Leonard Pope $5 2.00 3.00 0.00 0.00 1.90 4.20 0.00 0.00 0.00 Stephen Gostkowski $5 6.00 14.00 10.00 0.00 17.00 6.00 14.00 14.00 10.00 Robbie Gould $2 11.00 5.00 14.00 8.00 13.00 10.00 14.00 0.00 12.00 Minnesota Vikings $8 0.00 6.00 15.00 2.00 15.00 10.00 4.00 0.00 11.00 Carolina Panthers $3 9.00 5.00 5.00 2.00 9.00 0.00 5.00 6.00 0.00A hot streak by some combination of Torain/Charles/Avery and this guy has a huge advantage over the rest of the field.
Quick estimate I'd say he's around 120-130. He'll be close.I agree, without adding it up, he isn't scoring a ton this week... could be close.Wow, things can change quickly in the NFL. Torain was decent for 1 week but is gone for the year. The other 3 guys mentioned were non-factors today. Plus he had a bunch of guys lay eggs this week (Slaton, S.Smith, Jennings, Avery). Interested to see if he still makes the cut.The more I look at it, the more amazing it is.Torain, Rice, Charles, and Avery are just now starting to add their contributions to his weekly scores.Not surprisingly, this is the top team in the simulation to take it all.Wow, I love that team.Only a couple of minor misses on players, several very nice hits (so far), and great uniqueness.Here is a pretty scary team:
Drew Brees $23 33.95 15.70 27.05 35.05 21.10 34.70 10.55 32.35 0.00 Jay Cutler $14 27.85 41.10 24.90 22.65 18.95 22.80 14.20 0.00 24.55 Kurt Warner $5 15.45 36.05 20.60 32.60 25.50 22.70 0.00 30.05 28.90 Marion Barber $40 23.60 25.40 23.20 4.70 10.20 28.80 17.80 13.00 4.70 Matt Forte $20 21.60 12.80 25.00 11.00 20.10 19.50 14.30 0.00 13.60 Ryan Torain $5 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.10 Ray Rice $4 9.80 0.00 2.10 0.00 0.00 12.20 6.90 11.60 19.10 Jamaal Charles $2 4.40 2.70 7.70 1.80 6.00 0.00 6.30 5.40 10.60 Steve Slaton $1 6.40 0.00 20.40 21.60 22.10 6.60 16.40 13.60 15.80 Brandon Marshall $23 0.00 40.60 27.50 19.60 5.50 18.80 14.40 0.00 4.70 Steve Smith $23 0.00 0.00 11.00 21.60 15.60 17.20 24.20 28.10 0.00 Greg Jennings $22 14.10 22.70 19.50 28.90 18.70 19.40 6.20 0.00 10.90 Anthony Gonzalez $14 9.80 22.70 5.70 0.00 1.30 7.30 12.20 6.70 21.50 Donnie Avery $5 0.00 0.00 5.40 14.90 0.00 10.80 18.20 28.20 5.60 James Jones $5 0.00 12.90 0.00 0.00 1.90 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Sinorice Moss $2 3.30 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.20 Chris Cooley $19 2.20 14.70 17.70 8.80 28.90 13.20 9.20 16.40 19.80 Leonard Pope $5 2.00 3.00 0.00 0.00 1.90 4.20 0.00 0.00 0.00 Stephen Gostkowski $5 6.00 14.00 10.00 0.00 17.00 6.00 14.00 14.00 10.00 Robbie Gould $2 11.00 5.00 14.00 8.00 13.00 10.00 14.00 0.00 12.00 Minnesota Vikings $8 0.00 6.00 15.00 2.00 15.00 10.00 4.00 0.00 11.00 Carolina Panthers $3 9.00 5.00 5.00 2.00 9.00 0.00 5.00 6.00 0.00A hot streak by some combination of Torain/Charles/Avery and this guy has a huge advantage over the rest of the field.
he's at 138.55 +leonard pope +warner-42.25 He needs warner to have a bad game except for a couple of tosses to popeQuick estimate I'd say he's around 120-130. He'll be close.I agree, without adding it up, he isn't scoring a ton this week... could be close.Wow, things can change quickly in the NFL. Torain was decent for 1 week but is gone for the year. The other 3 guys mentioned were non-factors today. Plus he had a bunch of guys lay eggs this week (Slaton, S.Smith, Jennings, Avery). Interested to see if he still makes the cut.The more I look at it, the more amazing it is.Torain, Rice, Charles, and Avery are just now starting to add their contributions to his weekly scores.Not surprisingly, this is the top team in the simulation to take it all.Wow, I love that team.Only a couple of minor misses on players, several very nice hits (so far), and great uniqueness.Here is a pretty scary team:
Drew Brees $23 33.95 15.70 27.05 35.05 21.10 34.70 10.55 32.35 0.00 Jay Cutler $14 27.85 41.10 24.90 22.65 18.95 22.80 14.20 0.00 24.55 Kurt Warner $5 15.45 36.05 20.60 32.60 25.50 22.70 0.00 30.05 28.90 Marion Barber $40 23.60 25.40 23.20 4.70 10.20 28.80 17.80 13.00 4.70 Matt Forte $20 21.60 12.80 25.00 11.00 20.10 19.50 14.30 0.00 13.60 Ryan Torain $5 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.10 Ray Rice $4 9.80 0.00 2.10 0.00 0.00 12.20 6.90 11.60 19.10 Jamaal Charles $2 4.40 2.70 7.70 1.80 6.00 0.00 6.30 5.40 10.60 Steve Slaton $1 6.40 0.00 20.40 21.60 22.10 6.60 16.40 13.60 15.80 Brandon Marshall $23 0.00 40.60 27.50 19.60 5.50 18.80 14.40 0.00 4.70 Steve Smith $23 0.00 0.00 11.00 21.60 15.60 17.20 24.20 28.10 0.00 Greg Jennings $22 14.10 22.70 19.50 28.90 18.70 19.40 6.20 0.00 10.90 Anthony Gonzalez $14 9.80 22.70 5.70 0.00 1.30 7.30 12.20 6.70 21.50 Donnie Avery $5 0.00 0.00 5.40 14.90 0.00 10.80 18.20 28.20 5.60 James Jones $5 0.00 12.90 0.00 0.00 1.90 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Sinorice Moss $2 3.30 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.20 Chris Cooley $19 2.20 14.70 17.70 8.80 28.90 13.20 9.20 16.40 19.80 Leonard Pope $5 2.00 3.00 0.00 0.00 1.90 4.20 0.00 0.00 0.00 Stephen Gostkowski $5 6.00 14.00 10.00 0.00 17.00 6.00 14.00 14.00 10.00 Robbie Gould $2 11.00 5.00 14.00 8.00 13.00 10.00 14.00 0.00 12.00 Minnesota Vikings $8 0.00 6.00 15.00 2.00 15.00 10.00 4.00 0.00 11.00 Carolina Panthers $3 9.00 5.00 5.00 2.00 9.00 0.00 5.00 6.00 0.00A hot streak by some combination of Torain/Charles/Avery and this guy has a huge advantage over the rest of the field.
Rough estimate. If you take the ownership percentages, multiply by the points, then by about 80%, and add them together, you get the approximate cutoff. I get around 131.45, which is very close to Ctriopelle's FantasyStar estimate. Warner at 73.8% times 30 points times 80% would be 17.7 points.Where'd you pull that 15 from?Agree. I t looks like it will be high. With 70% ownership, if Warner has his typical game of 30, he'll move the cut 15 by himself.I suspect a fair amount of teams don't have a QB score yet, and they are depending on Warner for their points. I suspect the MNF cut will be a big rise this week if he has even a decent (not great) game.
Nobody would want their contest life hanging on a bad game by Warner.he's at 138.55 +leonard pope +warner-42.25 He needs warner to have a bad game except for a couple of tosses to popeQuick estimate I'd say he's around 120-130. He'll be close.I agree, without adding it up, he isn't scoring a ton this week... could be close.Wow, things can change quickly in the NFL. Torain was decent for 1 week but is gone for the year. The other 3 guys mentioned were non-factors today. Plus he had a bunch of guys lay eggs this week (Slaton, S.Smith, Jennings, Avery). Interested to see if he still makes the cut.The more I look at it, the more amazing it is.Torain, Rice, Charles, and Avery are just now starting to add their contributions to his weekly scores.Not surprisingly, this is the top team in the simulation to take it all.Wow, I love that team.Only a couple of minor misses on players, several very nice hits (so far), and great uniqueness.Here is a pretty scary team:
Drew Brees $23 33.95 15.70 27.05 35.05 21.10 34.70 10.55 32.35 0.00 Jay Cutler $14 27.85 41.10 24.90 22.65 18.95 22.80 14.20 0.00 24.55 Kurt Warner $5 15.45 36.05 20.60 32.60 25.50 22.70 0.00 30.05 28.90 Marion Barber $40 23.60 25.40 23.20 4.70 10.20 28.80 17.80 13.00 4.70 Matt Forte $20 21.60 12.80 25.00 11.00 20.10 19.50 14.30 0.00 13.60 Ryan Torain $5 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.10 Ray Rice $4 9.80 0.00 2.10 0.00 0.00 12.20 6.90 11.60 19.10 Jamaal Charles $2 4.40 2.70 7.70 1.80 6.00 0.00 6.30 5.40 10.60 Steve Slaton $1 6.40 0.00 20.40 21.60 22.10 6.60 16.40 13.60 15.80 Brandon Marshall $23 0.00 40.60 27.50 19.60 5.50 18.80 14.40 0.00 4.70 Steve Smith $23 0.00 0.00 11.00 21.60 15.60 17.20 24.20 28.10 0.00 Greg Jennings $22 14.10 22.70 19.50 28.90 18.70 19.40 6.20 0.00 10.90 Anthony Gonzalez $14 9.80 22.70 5.70 0.00 1.30 7.30 12.20 6.70 21.50 Donnie Avery $5 0.00 0.00 5.40 14.90 0.00 10.80 18.20 28.20 5.60 James Jones $5 0.00 12.90 0.00 0.00 1.90 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Sinorice Moss $2 3.30 0.00 0.00 0.00 20.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.20 Chris Cooley $19 2.20 14.70 17.70 8.80 28.90 13.20 9.20 16.40 19.80 Leonard Pope $5 2.00 3.00 0.00 0.00 1.90 4.20 0.00 0.00 0.00 Stephen Gostkowski $5 6.00 14.00 10.00 0.00 17.00 6.00 14.00 14.00 10.00 Robbie Gould $2 11.00 5.00 14.00 8.00 13.00 10.00 14.00 0.00 12.00 Minnesota Vikings $8 0.00 6.00 15.00 2.00 15.00 10.00 4.00 0.00 11.00 Carolina Panthers $3 9.00 5.00 5.00 2.00 9.00 0.00 5.00 6.00 0.00A hot streak by some combination of Torain/Charles/Avery and this guy has a huge advantage over the rest of the field.
Putting in Warner for 30 as a plug score in the database right now bumps the cut a little less than 10. Putting him in for 20 points bumps it about 5. The cut will be moved tomorrow in large part by his output alone, but his contribution will be less than half of his points unless he has a huge game (like 50+).Rough estimate. If you take the ownership percentages, multiply by the points, then by about 80%, and add them together, you get the approximate cutoff. I get around 131.45, which is very close to Ctriopelle's FantasyStar estimate. Warner at 73.8% times 30 points times 80% would be 17.7 points.
I'm sure your estimate is more accurate. Mine shouldn't work nearly as well well when used on just one player. How close is the fantasystar database to the contest percentages (specifically, the top 6 or 7 owned QB's)?Putting in Warner for 30 as a plug score in the database right now bumps the cut a little less than 10. Putting him in for 20 points bumps it about 5. The cut will be moved tomorrow in large part by his output alone, but his contribution will be less than half of his points unless he has a huge game (like 50+).Rough estimate. If you take the ownership percentages, multiply by the points, then by about 80%, and add them together, you get the approximate cutoff. I get around 131.45, which is very close to Ctriopelle's FantasyStar estimate. Warner at 73.8% times 30 points times 80% would be 17.7 points.
Finding the answer to that is a bit of a task, with the way I set the teams up (specifically how I determine the still live ones). I've thought about validating the sample by checking for these inconsistencies (and I'm sure there are some), but it's kinda low on my list of priorities right now. In general, our straight up cut is about 5-10% off from the actual cut, so it can't be off by much in the important spots. Also, once I adjust my initial projection correction factor to match what DD's pre-MNF numbers are, we're usually within a point of the final number on the estimate.BTW I wasn't ripping on your estimate, just trying to offer some hope for guys without a planned big contribution from Warner. I think most folks in here tend to way overestimate where the cut will land (likely out of pessimism so they are pleasantly surprised when they advance), but in reality it takes a pretty bad score for a given week to get booted (since up to this week only the bottom 20-30% get cut).I'm sure your estimate is more accurate. Mine shouldn't work nearly as well well when used on just one player. How close is the fantasystar database to the contest percentages (specifically, the top 6 or 7 owned QB's)?Putting in Warner for 30 as a plug score in the database right now bumps the cut a little less than 10. Putting him in for 20 points bumps it about 5. The cut will be moved tomorrow in large part by his output alone, but his contribution will be less than half of his points unless he has a huge game (like 50+).Rough estimate. If you take the ownership percentages, multiply by the points, then by about 80%, and add them together, you get the approximate cutoff. I get around 131.45, which is very close to Ctriopelle's FantasyStar estimate. Warner at 73.8% times 30 points times 80% would be 17.7 points.