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2009 Rookie Draft Picks (1 Viewer)
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broncofan13000
Footballguy
Any Iowa fans here?
Shonn Greene has been ripping it up this season. Any thoughts?
Shonn Greene vs MSU
His highlights look good, bruising rb with nice moves.
Shonn Greene has been ripping it up this season. Any thoughts?
Shonn Greene vs MSU
His highlights look good, bruising rb with nice moves.
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Seems like Wells, McCoy, Moreno, Crabtree, Maclin, Heyward and Harvin have really separated themselves as the top fantasy prospects. Anyone im leaving out who deserves to be in the same tier as these seven. This is assuming that RBs and WRs have equal value in the league and isnt RB dominant.
EBF
Footballguy
I really think Murray is overrated around here. When I watch him run, I see a change of pace back. One guy making a move up my board is CJ Spiller. He was a top recruit out of high school and it's easy to see why. The guy is lighting in a bottle. Some of the sickest jukes in this class and he has an NFL caliber burst. He's not a slam dunk prospect because there are a lot of question marks. He doesn't carry the full load. He sometimes does too much east-west running. We don't know how big he is. Still, his athletic ability pops off the screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqnqJn_UQx8
I could see him making a run up the boards like Chris Johnson did last season.
I agree with the other guys on your list though. There are some nice sleepers who could become very good players at the NFL level, but the seven guys you listed have solidified their place in the first round of rookie drafts IMO.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Well, we're at the halfway point of the college football season, not a bad time to see how the landscape looks as a whole compared to the beginning of the season. Unlike many previous seasons, it really doesn't look that much different in my eyes.
RB is weak at the top, but may be pretty deep, reminds me of the 08 WR class. There's a good chance I ignore RB all together in round 1 of rookie drafts, we'll see if this impression changes come winter time. Beanie's the best in the class but he may be somewhere between 3 and 5 on my draft board when all is said and done.
WR looks strong at the top, middle, and some deeper prospects are sure to emerge, I'm seeing the 09 class being a WR class we'll be talking about ten years from now. Crabtree's my 1.01 in PPR and I don't see that changing, he's head and shoulders above the rest...and I'd argue that the rest of the elite may be better than most/all of the RB prospects as well.
Didn't think it was possible but the QB class may be worse than the 08 class. Stafford's the best prospect? really? If Bradford comes out, all signs point toward no though, that could change but this is a very ordinary and mediocre group outside of him. I won't be drafting one before the late, late rounds and even then I'll probably go another direction.
As far as TE's concerned Beckum's going to be a playmaker, behind him? Not much from what I've seen, Darius Hill makes plays but is too small, likewise with Rob Gronkowski but he's almost certainly not coming out this year anyway.
I'll save my commentary on the other positions for the offseason, I know most of you don't care about anything outside of the skill positions.
RB is weak at the top, but may be pretty deep, reminds me of the 08 WR class. There's a good chance I ignore RB all together in round 1 of rookie drafts, we'll see if this impression changes come winter time. Beanie's the best in the class but he may be somewhere between 3 and 5 on my draft board when all is said and done.
WR looks strong at the top, middle, and some deeper prospects are sure to emerge, I'm seeing the 09 class being a WR class we'll be talking about ten years from now. Crabtree's my 1.01 in PPR and I don't see that changing, he's head and shoulders above the rest...and I'd argue that the rest of the elite may be better than most/all of the RB prospects as well.
Didn't think it was possible but the QB class may be worse than the 08 class. Stafford's the best prospect? really? If Bradford comes out, all signs point toward no though, that could change but this is a very ordinary and mediocre group outside of him. I won't be drafting one before the late, late rounds and even then I'll probably go another direction.
As far as TE's concerned Beckum's going to be a playmaker, behind him? Not much from what I've seen, Darius Hill makes plays but is too small, likewise with Rob Gronkowski but he's almost certainly not coming out this year anyway.
I'll save my commentary on the other positions for the offseason, I know most of you don't care about anything outside of the skill positions.
maxwelledison
Footballguy
Chachi
Footballguy
I would not be against you going into the LB and DE prospects, actually it would be much appreciated.Well, we're at the halfway point of the college football season, not a bad time to see how the landscape looks as a whole compared to the beginning of the season. Unlike many previous seasons, it really doesn't look that much different in my eyes.RB is weak at the top, but may be pretty deep, reminds me of the 08 WR class. There's a good chance I ignore RB all together in round 1 of rookie drafts, we'll see if this impression changes come winter time. Beanie's the best in the class but he may be somewhere between 3 and 5 on my draft board when all is said and done.WR looks strong at the top, middle, and some deeper prospects are sure to emerge, I'm seeing the 09 class being a WR class we'll be talking about ten years from now. Crabtree's my 1.01 in PPR and I don't see that changing, he's head and shoulders above the rest...and I'd argue that the rest of the elite may be better than most/all of the RB prospects as well.Didn't think it was possible but the QB class may be worse than the 08 class. Stafford's the best prospect? really? If Bradford comes out, all signs point toward no though, that could change but this is a very ordinary and mediocre group outside of him. I won't be drafting one before the late, late rounds and even then I'll probably go another direction.As far as TE's concerned Beckum's going to be a playmaker, behind him? Not much from what I've seen, Darius Hill makes plays but is too small, likewise with Rob Gronkowski but he's almost certainly not coming out this year anyway.I'll save my commentary on the other positions for the offseason, I know most of you don't care about anything outside of the skill positions.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I haven't seen enough of Beckum to make an accurate judgement on him, but Chase Coffman of Mizzou has a chance to be an uber stud. He's got a Gonzalez like body and athleticism.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
Bump.Here's highlights from his big game this weekend against Wisconsin where he went for 217 yards and 4 td's. He's ran for over 100 yards in every game he's played, and is a big back, 5 11'' 235, with decent speed (anyone know his 40 time?) ... He's a bit off of everyones radar before this year because he was academically ineligible last year. I'm thinking he's gonna be one of the top 5 backs declaring in 2009 when all is said and done.
(fixed link ty)His 2nd TD run is just sick, and the 3rd td run he shows excellent speed for a 235 lb rb.
Any Big 10 homers have thoughts on his draft stock?
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Your video link didn't work so here's a working one:
Kind of reminds me of Michael Turner. He's an old Junior at 23 years old, hopefully he comes out to the draft this year.
EBF
Footballguy
I can see the Turner comparison. Compact back with some swivel. This type usually does well at the pro level.
I doubt he has the measurables to be a first round pick, but there's no reason why he can't go in the 2nd-4th.
He's having a monster season, so you have to think he's a goner.
I doubt he has the measurables to be a first round pick, but there's no reason why he can't go in the 2nd-4th.
He's having a monster season, so you have to think he's a goner.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
DeCleater
Footballguy
Hawkeye homer here. I have seen every game this year and Green is a beast. He doesn't have break-away speed but he is fast enough. One guy can not take him down, unless he decides to run over the safety. Talk about a workhorse, he is consistent as you can get. He will be a very good pro, blitz pick-up once he learns the system should not be a problem. He can catch the ball out of the backfield. He is only a junior but I suspect he will enter the draft after his huge season this year.
TheBradyBunch
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure Casserly also said on the pre-game show a couple weeks ago that he thought this would be the deepest and most talented draft ever because all draft-eligible players with even a hint of talent will be encouraged to come out for that reason. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Chachi
Footballguy
Stockpile picks while you can and before this is common knowledge!
I don't think that reasoning makes sense. Almost all the most talented players leave early anyway.
Chachi
Footballguy
Give it a little thought. Take Murray for instance, say he's seen as a mid 2nd this year but told if he goes in 2010 he could bump up into the 1st round. Now imagine he's told that he will make more money by going now unless he's a top 3 pick. This makes perfect sense to me that he'd opt to go now and get paid.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Just saw this, had limited internet access the last few days due to being offsite. Might have some time to go into detail tonight/tomorrow morning, more likely won't be able to until next week. I'll go into detail when I have more time, keep in mind though there is still a half a season to go + post season workouts/games...a lot left to be sorted out before all is said and done. I do have some strong opinions about the perceived top of the line talent at those positions (i.e. Ray is a future stud, Laurinitis is a future bust), I'll go into greater detail later...I would not be against you going into the LB and DE prospects, actually it would be much appreciated.Well, we're at the halfway point of the college football season, not a bad time to see how the landscape looks as a whole compared to the beginning of the season. Unlike many previous seasons, it really doesn't look that much different in my eyes.RB is weak at the top, but may be pretty deep, reminds me of the 08 WR class. There's a good chance I ignore RB all together in round 1 of rookie drafts, we'll see if this impression changes come winter time. Beanie's the best in the class but he may be somewhere between 3 and 5 on my draft board when all is said and done.WR looks strong at the top, middle, and some deeper prospects are sure to emerge, I'm seeing the 09 class being a WR class we'll be talking about ten years from now. Crabtree's my 1.01 in PPR and I don't see that changing, he's head and shoulders above the rest...and I'd argue that the rest of the elite may be better than most/all of the RB prospects as well.Didn't think it was possible but the QB class may be worse than the 08 class. Stafford's the best prospect? really? If Bradford comes out, all signs point toward no though, that could change but this is a very ordinary and mediocre group outside of him. I won't be drafting one before the late, late rounds and even then I'll probably go another direction.As far as TE's concerned Beckum's going to be a playmaker, behind him? Not much from what I've seen, Darius Hill makes plays but is too small, likewise with Rob Gronkowski but he's almost certainly not coming out this year anyway.I'll save my commentary on the other positions for the offseason, I know most of you don't care about anything outside of the skill positions.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Fixed for you. Guy is so overrated it's ridiculous.Just saw this, had limited internet access the last few days due to being offsite. Might have some time to go into detail tonight/tomorrow morning, more likely won't be able to until next week. I'll go into detail when I have more time, keep in mind though there is still a half a season to go + post season workouts/games...a lot left to be sorted out before all is said and done. I do have some strong opinions about the perceived top of the line talent at those positions (i.e. Ray is a future stud, Laurinitis is a current bust), I'll go into greater detail later...I would not be against you going into the LB and DE prospects, actually it would be much appreciated.Well, we're at the halfway point of the college football season, not a bad time to see how the landscape looks as a whole compared to the beginning of the season. Unlike many previous seasons, it really doesn't look that much different in my eyes.
RB is weak at the top, but may be pretty deep, reminds me of the 08 WR class. There's a good chance I ignore RB all together in round 1 of rookie drafts, we'll see if this impression changes come winter time. Beanie's the best in the class but he may be somewhere between 3 and 5 on my draft board when all is said and done.
WR looks strong at the top, middle, and some deeper prospects are sure to emerge, I'm seeing the 09 class being a WR class we'll be talking about ten years from now. Crabtree's my 1.01 in PPR and I don't see that changing, he's head and shoulders above the rest...and I'd argue that the rest of the elite may be better than most/all of the RB prospects as well.
Didn't think it was possible but the QB class may be worse than the 08 class. Stafford's the best prospect? really? If Bradford comes out, all signs point toward no though, that could change but this is a very ordinary and mediocre group outside of him. I won't be drafting one before the late, late rounds and even then I'll probably go another direction.
As far as TE's concerned Beckum's going to be a playmaker, behind him? Not much from what I've seen, Darius Hill makes plays but is too small, likewise with Rob Gronkowski but he's almost certainly not coming out this year anyway.
I'll save my commentary on the other positions for the offseason, I know most of you don't care about anything outside of the skill positions.
EBF
Footballguy
Early look at possible draft values. These are not my personal rankings. This is just a rough estimate of where I think these guys would go if the draft were today. The asterisks indicate the number of years of eligibility remaining.
First Round
QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma **
QB Matthew Stafford, Georgia *
QB Tim Tebow, Florida *
RB Chris Wells, Ohio State *
RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia **
RB CJ Spiller, Clemson *
RB LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh **
WR Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech **
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland *
WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri **
WR Percy Harvin, Florida *
TE Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State
Second Round
QB Mark Sanchez, USC *
QB Colt McCoy, Texas *
QB Josh Freeman, Kansas State *
RB Javon Ringer, Michigan State
RB Shonn Greene, Iowa *
WR Louis Murphy, Florida
WR Jarett Dillard, Rice
WR Damian Williams, USC **
WR Brandon Lafell, LSU
WR Brennan Marion, Tulsa
TE Chase Coffman, Missouri
TE Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma *
Third Round
RB Charles Scott, LSU *
RB Stafon Johnson, USC **
RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma **
WR Demetrius Byrd, LSU
WR Kenny Britt, Rutgers *
WR Juaquin Iglesias, Oklahoma
WR Derrick Williams, Penn State *
WR Marshwan "Mardy" Gilyard, Cincinnati *
WR Emmanuel Sanders, SMU *
TE Travis Beckum, Wisconsin
This is just a preliminary list. I don't have a great read on all of these guys and the 2nd-3rd round is mostly just guess work at this point. It's hard to determine which small school QBs will emerge from the fray and enter into the mix there, but some of them certainly will. If a player isn't on this list then I either forgot him, don't know him, or don't think he'll go this high.
First Round
QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma **
QB Matthew Stafford, Georgia *
QB Tim Tebow, Florida *
RB Chris Wells, Ohio State *
RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia **
RB CJ Spiller, Clemson *
RB LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh **
WR Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech **
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland *
WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri **
WR Percy Harvin, Florida *
TE Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State
Second Round
QB Mark Sanchez, USC *
QB Colt McCoy, Texas *
QB Josh Freeman, Kansas State *
RB Javon Ringer, Michigan State
RB Shonn Greene, Iowa *
WR Louis Murphy, Florida
WR Jarett Dillard, Rice
WR Damian Williams, USC **
WR Brandon Lafell, LSU
WR Brennan Marion, Tulsa
TE Chase Coffman, Missouri
TE Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma *
Third Round
RB Charles Scott, LSU *
RB Stafon Johnson, USC **
RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma **
WR Demetrius Byrd, LSU
WR Kenny Britt, Rutgers *
WR Juaquin Iglesias, Oklahoma
WR Derrick Williams, Penn State *
WR Marshwan "Mardy" Gilyard, Cincinnati *
WR Emmanuel Sanders, SMU *
TE Travis Beckum, Wisconsin
This is just a preliminary list. I don't have a great read on all of these guys and the 2nd-3rd round is mostly just guess work at this point. It's hard to determine which small school QBs will emerge from the fray and enter into the mix there, but some of them certainly will. If a player isn't on this list then I either forgot him, don't know him, or don't think he'll go this high.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Nice list. I need to get a better look at him, but right now, I'm leery of Ringer making an impact in the pros. I guess it will pretty much come down to how he tests, but I don't believe Ringer will be a day-1 pick (the "new" day-1).
EBF
Footballguy
I don't like him either, but I think he has a chance to be a 2nd round pick. I would compare his situation to someone like Tatum Bell or JJ Arrington. Neither guy was the real deal, but they put up gaudy stats in college and did well enough in testing to make someone think they were worth a 2nd round pick. I think Ringer will go somewhere between the 2nd-4th.
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Football Jones
Footballguy
BTW, props for putting Brennan Marion on the list. This might be the first time I've seen him on a NFL prospect list. Being from Tulsa (actually, a suburb of Tulsa), I can tell you he's a quality WR. I've recorded all the Tulsa games this year so I can make a better evaluation, but one thing that strikes me about Marion (other than his play on the field), is his TD-to-catch ratio (11 TDs on 39 receptions last year & 7 to 31 this season). His YPC is sick, too (31.9 last year & 26.7 this season).
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Ringer may not be very talented, but he could still be serviceable FF wise depending on where he is drafted. He reminds me of a less powerful, more elusive Matt Forte. Not overly talented, but is a capable workhorse who can catch passes out of the backfield. My guess is he'll end up as a 1st round FF pick, though im pretty sure i won't draft him as Ringer's value depends HEAVILY on where he is drafted.
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EBF
Footballguy
The NFL will definitely notice the monster numbers he has put up between 2007-2008. Like you said, he has a knack for getting deep and hitting big plays. If he tests well at the combine and does well in drills, he can go in the 2nd round. Somewhere in the 2nd-4th round seems about right.
EBF
Footballguy
I'll buy most of that. He doesn't remind me of Forte in terms of playing style, but I could see a RB-needy team taking him in the second round and giving him a good crack at the starting job. I agree that he could be a first round rookie pick. I just won't be the one who takes him.
EBF
Footballguy
USC's Stafon Johnson is one of the guys that I've been touting as a potential starting caliber back to emerge from relative obscurity and become a factor in the NFL draft this season. He had his most significant game of the season on Saturday against Arizona, finally getting the 20+ touches that USC fans have been clamoring for. The national media was slobbering over Joe McKnight this offseason, but Trojan homers mostly prefer Stafon. You can see why in the following video clip. Johnson is #13. The relevant plays occur at roughly 0:00 (punt return), 1:11 (TD run), 1:35-1:58 (nice block), 2:27 (punt return), 3:01 (run)
He doesn't have the greatest long speed and he's a bit long-legged, but he sinks his hips well, makes quick cuts, and just has great football instincts. He's probably the best player on USC's offense this season, which is saying something when you consider that they've consistently been signing a good portion of the top prep players in the country every year.
He doesn't have the greatest long speed and he's a bit long-legged, but he sinks his hips well, makes quick cuts, and just has great football instincts. He's probably the best player on USC's offense this season, which is saying something when you consider that they've consistently been signing a good portion of the top prep players in the country every year.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Fixed for you. Guy is so overrated it's ridiculous.Just saw this, had limited internet access the last few days due to being offsite. Might have some time to go into detail tonight/tomorrow morning, more likely won't be able to until next week. I'll go into detail when I have more time, keep in mind though there is still a half a season to go + post season workouts/games...a lot left to be sorted out before all is said and done. I do have some strong opinions about the perceived top of the line talent at those positions (i.e. Ray is a future stud, Laurinitis is a current bust), I'll go into greater detail later...I would not be against you going into the LB and DE prospects, actually it would be much appreciated.Well, we're at the halfway point of the college football season, not a bad time to see how the landscape looks as a whole compared to the beginning of the season. Unlike many previous seasons, it really doesn't look that much different in my eyes.
RB is weak at the top, but may be pretty deep, reminds me of the 08 WR class. There's a good chance I ignore RB all together in round 1 of rookie drafts, we'll see if this impression changes come winter time. Beanie's the best in the class but he may be somewhere between 3 and 5 on my draft board when all is said and done.
WR looks strong at the top, middle, and some deeper prospects are sure to emerge, I'm seeing the 09 class being a WR class we'll be talking about ten years from now. Crabtree's my 1.01 in PPR and I don't see that changing, he's head and shoulders above the rest...and I'd argue that the rest of the elite may be better than most/all of the RB prospects as well.
Didn't think it was possible but the QB class may be worse than the 08 class. Stafford's the best prospect? really? If Bradford comes out, all signs point toward no though, that could change but this is a very ordinary and mediocre group outside of him. I won't be drafting one before the late, late rounds and even then I'll probably go another direction.
As far as TE's concerned Beckum's going to be a playmaker, behind him? Not much from what I've seen, Darius Hill makes plays but is too small, likewise with Rob Gronkowski but he's almost certainly not coming out this year anyway.
I'll save my commentary on the other positions for the offseason, I know most of you don't care about anything outside of the skill positions.
Nice! Glad to see I'm not the only one seeing that, felt that way since toward the end of last season. He should have gone out then when he had round 1 stock, from what I've been reading others are beginning to wise up to who Laurinitis really is and his stock should fall accordingly. We'll see. Here's some DE prospect talk to stew on (if you'd like me to expound on any specific player, post, I'll keep the take brief for this though), I'll get LB's up sometime this week, work stuff is really limiting my football time unfortunately...1. Tyson Jackson, LSU - complete DE, safest DE/OLB pick in the draft in my eyes, could succeed in any scheme and is versatile enough to play inside, out, and standing up - top 5 may be pushing it but top 10 certainly2. Brian Orakpo, Texas - has absolutely blown up this year, I think he still needs some seasoning but of the high upside guys he is the one who currently appears to be the best bet, I may be too high on him right now and will re-visit later in the year
3. Greg Hardy, Ole Miss - early season injury may hurt his stock, character issues don't help. Got the production but he's still very raw in many areas, same upside as Orakpo but his attitude and project status keeps him below on my board
4. George Selvie, South Florida - love the way this guy plays but is too one dimensional (pass rush) to be a top pick - both him and Hardy should be 1st rounders but I see them as later first rounders
5. Maurice Evans, Penn St - Paterno's dog house due to smokin gange + emergence of Maybin has limited Evans' playing time, we know what he can do but he's not doing it right now, he could be the #1 DE drafted, he could fall out of the top 10, this is a conservative somewhere in the middle ranking for now
6. Aaron Maybin - holy crap where did this guy come from? Many believe he is under sized and should convert to a 3-4 OLB. I disagree, he's an animal playing down and routinely takes on and dominates guys significantly bigger than him. LOVE the way this kid plays.
7. Michael Johnson, Ga Tech - This classes workout warrior of choice, I'm not overly impressed with him outside of his measurables. Someone will pay for them and I think they will be disappointed.
8. Brandon Graham, Michigan - If he were at all consistent he'd be a top 5 DE, assuming he remains inconsistent I see him as a good mid round pick. I am afraid his issues are lack of desire unfortunately.
9. Greg Middleton, Indiana - I don't think he's as bad as he's doing this year, but he's nowhere near as good as he was in 2007. A quality backup, maybe a #2, but that's it. His ceiling is way too low to go before the middle of day two
10. Austin English, Oklahoma - Over rated, I think his production is more attributable to his surroundings than his talent.
Players I've read good things about but haven't watched (yet) - Willie VanDeSteeg Minnesota, Orion Martin Va Tech, Nick Reed Oregon, Antonio Coleman Auburn, Eric Moncur Miami
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I don't understand the negatives about Crabtree at all. Other than some poor ball security, he looks phenomenal to me. Like a man among boys.
There are a few guys at Oklahoma State that will be tops in the 2010 or 2011 draft classes. Dez Bryant, Zac Robinson, and Kendall Hunter all look like stars to me. Robinson may be asked to switch positions, so who knows. But, Hunter is impressive and Bryant is making plays.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Crabtree will be the best NFL receiver prospect since Calvin Johnson. That's not hard to see or figure out. For those that don't simply miss.
offdee
Footballguy
Agreed.The only true knock on him is his top end speed.....he's a 4.5 type of guy but that hasn't seemed to hurt Fitz or T.O. He's an athletic beast with tremendous run after the catch ability. I like to steal a line EBF used in that Crabtree is a hybrid of Fitz and Boldin. Has the hands of Fitz and the run after the catch ability/determination of Boldin.The one thing that really stands out to me everytime I watch him is how he ALWAYS catches the ball away from his body with his hands and is attacking it. Just a thing of beauty to me.It's still crazy to me that he was a high school QB and has only been playing WR for 2 years and still learning the nuances of the position. Future NFL DB's should be scared...real scared.Edit to add my present '09 FF rookie rankings..1) Michael Crabtree2) LeSean McCoy3) Knowshon Moreno4) Chris Wellsthan a big dropoff...
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
The way he snatches the ball out of the air is just beautiful.offdee said:
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
His hands are freakin HUGE.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
My 1st round:
1. Crabtree
2. Wells
3. Moreno
4. McCoy
5. Spiller
6. Heywood-Bey
7. Shonne Green
8. Murray
9. Maclin
10. Stafford
11. Davis
12. Harvin
1. Crabtree
2. Wells
3. Moreno
4. McCoy
5. Spiller
6. Heywood-Bey
7. Shonne Green
8. Murray
9. Maclin
10. Stafford
11. Davis
12. Harvin
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Has there been any more word on a rookie cap starting in 2010?
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Will probably be a hot topic at the winter league meetings in Feb./March.I doubt there will be much, if any, further discussion before then.It does need to be addressed though.
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
Based on NFL skill there's no way I'd have McCoy higher than Stafford. Stafford is the #1 QB on my board. He can make all the throws and plays in pro style offense where he is required to make more reads. He does have accuracy issues at times but is by far the better prospect.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Inside Linebackers
1) Rey Maualuga USC - stud, plain and simple. Size, speed, tenacity, big play maker, explosive, physical, there isn't anything not to like in this kid's game...could use some fine tuning in pass coverage and needs to settle down at times but both are correctable. Like Patrick Willis could be a top 10 pick, very high for a LB. He has a very high ceiling and floor, at worst he's a big play maker that'll make some mistakes.
2) Jasper Brinkley South Carolina - his reported timed speed doesn't match his on the field speed in my eyes, we'll have to wait and see but as of right now I think he is being very under rated by the masses. He looks to be back to full speed post knee injury, very athletic for his size. Probably won't be given a chance to be a 4-3 MIKE but would fit very well in the middle of a 3-4. Based on my readings looks like a day 2 pick but I think he'll pleasantly surprise whoever he falls to.
3) James Laurinitis Ohio St - over rated, 2 down upside. He was viewed as top 10 last year, I think he's lost some of that luster but is still a perceived 1st rounder, which is still way too high in my eyes. Struggles mightily in pass coverage and has problems with better offensive linemen. Has great instincts and field awareness but I think he'll be over matched more often than not at the next level as I think his lack of athletic ability will catch up to him.
4) Brandon Spikes Fla - He lacks sideline to sideline speed, can be a menace in the middle of the field but outside? Not so much. An average interior LB that I think will be over drafted (based on reading other opinions), you can find this type of talent deeper in the draft.
5) Derry Beckwith LSU - Honestly, haven't seen why many are high on this kid's prospects, I see backup upside and that's it.
6) Dannell Ellerbee Georgia - Like Beckwith, I came away unimpressed
Others I've read good things about but haven't watched - Worrel Williams Cal, Dave Phillistin Maryland, Gerald McRath Southern Miss, Pat Maynor Stanford, Daniel Holtzclaw Eastern Mich, Josh Mauga Nevada
Player to watch - Scott McKillop Pitt
Overall, I'm very unimpressed with the big school talent at ILB, I'll be trying to dig up as much small school info as I can because if there's going to be any quality NFL (and fantasy) talent at this position I think it will be out of those schools.
Outside Linebackers - trying to keep the 3-4 OLB's listed under DE's
1a) Brian Cushing USC - versatile, can play just about anywhere on the field down or up but I think he’s best fit as a SAM, love his instincts, great field awareness. I’d put him in the back end of round 1 as of right now.
1b) Aaron Curry Wake - brings a different type of game than Cushing, has a solid overall game but isn't the big play maker that Cushing is. Many question his instincts/awareness, I think they need to watch him play more. Seems like he could use some work on his technique shedding blockers but the instincts/awareness are there. 1st round pick, maybe top 20, depends on the combine.
3) Marcus Freeman Ohio St - A better prospect than over hyped teammate Laurinitis in my eyes. Can cover sideline to sideline, has 3 down upside, and can play any LB position on the field. His pass coverage abilities are why I prefer him to Laurinitis.
4) Clint Sintim Virginia - Only watched one UVA game and there's not much available to read on this kid or else he might be higher on my board, he was not blockable. Not sure how great of a run stopper he is - why he's below Freeman - but he's a terror on passing downs, in coverage too.
5) Sean Witherspoon Mizzou - An under rated tackle machine, Sintim looks like a better play maker but Witherspoon offers a lot of the same things Freeman does.
6) Tyron McKenzie USF - Seemed to have a lot of hype entering the season, never really figured out why. He's solid against the run but will never be confused with a big play maker. An average backup at the next level, should be drafted accordingly too if my reading's are consistent with scout opinions.
Others I've read good things about but haven't watched - Clayton Mullins Miami OH, Ian Campbell Kansas St, Willie Williams Louisville, Brian Toal BC (the internet boards love this guy, scouts seem to disagree...or just aren't writing about him)
Player to watch - Daynal Briggs Bowling Green
Overall, appears to be quality depth at outside LB this year.
If anyone has any feedback, additional input, or counters to my rankings of DE and LB it'd be appreciated.
1) Rey Maualuga USC - stud, plain and simple. Size, speed, tenacity, big play maker, explosive, physical, there isn't anything not to like in this kid's game...could use some fine tuning in pass coverage and needs to settle down at times but both are correctable. Like Patrick Willis could be a top 10 pick, very high for a LB. He has a very high ceiling and floor, at worst he's a big play maker that'll make some mistakes.
2) Jasper Brinkley South Carolina - his reported timed speed doesn't match his on the field speed in my eyes, we'll have to wait and see but as of right now I think he is being very under rated by the masses. He looks to be back to full speed post knee injury, very athletic for his size. Probably won't be given a chance to be a 4-3 MIKE but would fit very well in the middle of a 3-4. Based on my readings looks like a day 2 pick but I think he'll pleasantly surprise whoever he falls to.
3) James Laurinitis Ohio St - over rated, 2 down upside. He was viewed as top 10 last year, I think he's lost some of that luster but is still a perceived 1st rounder, which is still way too high in my eyes. Struggles mightily in pass coverage and has problems with better offensive linemen. Has great instincts and field awareness but I think he'll be over matched more often than not at the next level as I think his lack of athletic ability will catch up to him.
4) Brandon Spikes Fla - He lacks sideline to sideline speed, can be a menace in the middle of the field but outside? Not so much. An average interior LB that I think will be over drafted (based on reading other opinions), you can find this type of talent deeper in the draft.
5) Derry Beckwith LSU - Honestly, haven't seen why many are high on this kid's prospects, I see backup upside and that's it.
6) Dannell Ellerbee Georgia - Like Beckwith, I came away unimpressed
Others I've read good things about but haven't watched - Worrel Williams Cal, Dave Phillistin Maryland, Gerald McRath Southern Miss, Pat Maynor Stanford, Daniel Holtzclaw Eastern Mich, Josh Mauga Nevada
Player to watch - Scott McKillop Pitt
Overall, I'm very unimpressed with the big school talent at ILB, I'll be trying to dig up as much small school info as I can because if there's going to be any quality NFL (and fantasy) talent at this position I think it will be out of those schools.
Outside Linebackers - trying to keep the 3-4 OLB's listed under DE's
1a) Brian Cushing USC - versatile, can play just about anywhere on the field down or up but I think he’s best fit as a SAM, love his instincts, great field awareness. I’d put him in the back end of round 1 as of right now.
1b) Aaron Curry Wake - brings a different type of game than Cushing, has a solid overall game but isn't the big play maker that Cushing is. Many question his instincts/awareness, I think they need to watch him play more. Seems like he could use some work on his technique shedding blockers but the instincts/awareness are there. 1st round pick, maybe top 20, depends on the combine.
3) Marcus Freeman Ohio St - A better prospect than over hyped teammate Laurinitis in my eyes. Can cover sideline to sideline, has 3 down upside, and can play any LB position on the field. His pass coverage abilities are why I prefer him to Laurinitis.
4) Clint Sintim Virginia - Only watched one UVA game and there's not much available to read on this kid or else he might be higher on my board, he was not blockable. Not sure how great of a run stopper he is - why he's below Freeman - but he's a terror on passing downs, in coverage too.
5) Sean Witherspoon Mizzou - An under rated tackle machine, Sintim looks like a better play maker but Witherspoon offers a lot of the same things Freeman does.
6) Tyron McKenzie USF - Seemed to have a lot of hype entering the season, never really figured out why. He's solid against the run but will never be confused with a big play maker. An average backup at the next level, should be drafted accordingly too if my reading's are consistent with scout opinions.
Others I've read good things about but haven't watched - Clayton Mullins Miami OH, Ian Campbell Kansas St, Willie Williams Louisville, Brian Toal BC (the internet boards love this guy, scouts seem to disagree...or just aren't writing about him)
Player to watch - Daynal Briggs Bowling Green
Overall, appears to be quality depth at outside LB this year.
If anyone has any feedback, additional input, or counters to my rankings of DE and LB it'd be appreciated.
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He's talking about LeSean Mccoy at the #4 spot, not Colt.money.never.sleeps said:
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
my bad.. prob. to early for me to be trying my opinions after being out all night.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
I have Colt McCoy as my #52 prospect, haha just kidding, I don't like McCoy in the NFL and I'm pretty sure he's staying in college another year.my bad.. prob. to early for me to be trying my opinions after being out all night.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
This guy is absolutely awesome, I've watched 3 full games and always watch the highlights on him. He looks like a future stud in the NFL to me, the concern I have is 5'11 235#'s. I'm trying to come up with a good comparison to him and thought about S. Jax but he's 6'2" and about the same weight, Duckett is like 254 #'s who is a bust. I can't come up with any good comparisons to Shonn Greene and his body type who is successful in the NFL, if anyone can think of someone please chime in cause I'm real high on this kid.
I did find Earl Campbell 5'11 232#'s which is identical but that's just one guy and Campbell was an extremely rare talent. Emmitt Smith 5'9 216#'s... Any good scouts here know if Greenes size is going to be an issue?
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Responding to my own post here, see Mike Turner is 5'10 and 244. Jamal Lewis 6'0 240, I think I was thinking Shonn was so big but I guess he's not, what do the scouts here think of this kid?
