2011 Oakland Raiders In-Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[Garrett]

Someone in Oakland needs to call David Garrard right now.

 

[duaneok66]

Someone in Oakland needs to call David Garrard right now.

you don't want Garrard . . .

 

[raidergil]

Can we offer whatever remains of next year's draft for Palmer?

 

[UnknownCoach]

Just Win Baby... the last 2 were for you Al and we arent done yet.

Special teams with some more big plays. Fake field goal worked better than Hollywood could make up. I think Ford is the fastest player are the fastest team ever. Almost gave away the game at the end though. Note to rookie NFL head coaches... when you are up 14 points in the 4th quarter and have 4th and 1 inside the ten yard line, TAKE the 3 POINTs. Onside kick shouldnt have even mattered.

Jason Campbell nearly got a first down but broke his right collarbone doing so. With only a one year contract, its possible this was Campbell's last game as a Raider. We are talking about his throwing shoulder so he'll need extra time to recover. The post Davis front office now has one of its biggest decisions ahead. Do they IR Campbell? Do they offer him a contract next year? Its not like we lost Peyton Manning though. If we can win with Jason Campbell, we can win with Kyle Boller. I am still expecting to win the division.

Defensive line has played great since losing Shaughnessy. With Bryant playing end on running downs and SS Mike Mitchell back, the run defense has improved significantly the last two games. Curry will help out there as well. Still getting pressure on the QB at the same time. The blitzing today was the most effective its been in a long time. You can already see Van Dyke improving at corner.

Hopefully Satele injury isnt serious. Might get an early look at the future of the offensive line next week if Bruce Campbell or Barksdale has to start. Wisniewski should be ready by now to start at center. So we should be ok on the line as long as we dont lose somebody else. Run blocking continues to be strong and pass protection is coming along.

Suddenly the Terrell Pyror "suspension" more seriously hurts the team. We might have to resign Trent Edwards to backup Boller. There are a couple of better options out there but Edwards has the advantage due to his time in training camp. If Campbell isnt put on IR, that would cost an extra roster spot. Roster spots are becoming premium with all the injuries. We already need to cut one player this week because we are still using an exemption for Pryor.

Boller looked fairly good making decisions and he's got a stronger arm than Campbell. Our deep game should improve at the expense of more turnovers. DHB again proving the media wrong and Al right. I dont need to say anything about McFadden. We miss Reece in the passing game, hope he comes back soon.

Hue Jackson, love the enthusiasm and aggression. Still learning on the little things like the difference between a 14 and 17 point 4th quarter lead. I believe Hue's attitude is being reflected by the players. The Bully is coming out. This team believes. I do too.

4-2, important divisin game next against the Chiefs. Let's go into our bye week 5-2, just win baby.

 

[Raider Nation]

If we can win with Jason Campbell, we can win with Kyle Boller. I am still expecting to win the division.

You, sir, are an optimist.Campbell is no Dan Fouts, but make no mistake, the QB position just took a BIG hit.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

If we can win with Jason Campbell, we can win with Kyle Boller. I am still expecting to win the division.

You, sir, are an optimist.Campbell is no Dan Fouts, but make no mistake, the QB position just took a BIG hit.

If Hue Jax can make Darrius Heyward Bey go from :X to Maybe he can transform Mr Prejean from to This team just took a major stumble even if we can head into the bye at 5-2. Why not shop for a QB while there's still time?

 

[massraider]

My guess is Trent Edwards gets the call. Already knows the offense.

Boller is going to make some mistakes, but he's the guy the rest of the year. He just is, you don't pick up a QB off the scrap heap and start him within any meaningful time.

I don't think the offense changes. Quick passes, QB plays within the offense, lots of runs, play action, and razzle dazzle. I might accelerate the Terrelle Pryor short yardage offensive package. Why not have him roll out of a full house backfield every now and then?

I loved all the blitzing. We saw a lot of DB blitzes, I expect more. Didn't really notice Curry that much, anyone pay attention to him?

 

[Raider Nation]

I don't think the offense changes. Quick passes, QB plays within the offense, lots of runs, play action, and razzle dazzle.

Designed QB draws also. Boller is a pretty good athlete.

 

[massraider]

4-6 weeks according to this link

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Boller looked fairly good making decisions and he's got a stronger arm than Campbell. .

He looked AWFUL. Hopefully it's a practice/timing issue, but there were a lot of horrible horrible passes thrown by boller.

 

[netnalp]

Carson Palmer, QB CIN

News: Yahoo Sports reports the Raiders have inquired to the Bengals about QB Carson Palmer after their starter -- Jason Campbell -- suffered a broken collarbone on Sunday. Earlier in the week, Cincinnati owner Mike Brown said that the team has no plans to trade Palmer before Tuesday's deadline.

Analysis: The report said that the Raiders are "trying hard" to acquire Palmer but the Bengals have been steadfast in their motto that if Palmer plays football again, it will be for the Bengals. Fantasy owners should keep an eye on the situation going forward to see if the two teams can strike a deal. If Palmer indeed heads west to Oakland, he will still likely be nothing more than a No. 2 Fantasy QB most weeks.

Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole reports that the Raiders began "trying hard" as of Sunday night to trade for Carson Palmer.

A source tells Cole that he "highly doubts" owner Mike Brown will budge, but Hue Jackson hasn't given up just yet. Jackson was the Bengals' wide receivers coach from 2004-2006, during some of Palmer's best years. Citing a source familiar with the Raiders' thinking, Cole reports that Oakland "hit the phones quickly" after Sunday's win over the Browns. One major stumbling block is the fact that the Raiders don't have second-, third-, or fourth-round picks in 2012. Cole suggests the Raiders offer a third-rounder in 2013 that could increase to a second- or even first-rounder depending on Palmer's performance.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/216833/report-raiders-in-pursuit-of-carson-palmer

 

[UnknownCoach]

4-6 weeks according to this link

Only if it was Campbell's non throwing shoulder and then that would be optimistic. If you've suffered through broken bones, you realize the effects of a break linger for a long time, some are permanent. He might be able to make it back for the playoffs, that's why the team has a tough decision.

 

[Chadstroma]

Losing Campbell sucks. Even though Campbell may not be the best QB in the league, he is better than Boller. That said, I think Boller is better than what we saw in the game. I think getting the rust off in this weeks snaps will help out. Boller has a cannon for an arm and actually can throw the deep ball better than Campbell can but the negative is that he makes bad decisions.

It was interesting to me to see that we spread the formations out more so after Boller came in. The whole game I was thinking that we should have been doing much more of this... putting in 4 and even 5 WR's to force the Browns into dime packages. With them hurting in the secondary- you can't tell me that they would have been able to put enough DB's out there that could cover DHB, Moore, Ford, Schilens, Hagan and Murphy (though Murphy looked like he needed another week before coming back). I have to think that these formations would just cause opposing D's big problems- and even more so with teams that have injuries or depth problems in their secondary.

If Campbell is out for 6 weeks, we have a game next week that is very winnable with Boller (KC), the bye week, another winnable game (Denver), a tough game to win (SD), a winnable game (Vikings) and then a tough game (Chicago). Coming back in time to get the rust off against the Dolphins before heading into a tough GB game.

McClain looked to me like he is really hurting. Slow and could not change direction well at all. I am sure he is looking for that bye week ahead.

Did not see Curry much in the game but then again it is his first start after one or two practices with a new team and system. His position is not as quite as easy as it is to adapt as a DE or DT.

I am very worried about Satele. He may not be the greatest C in the game but what I really like about him is that he gives us Wisniewski at LG which makes for a fearsome paring with Veldheer on that left side. I don't think Bruce Campbell brings as much to that LG spot as Wisniewski does.

I can not wait for Reece to get back. He really brings a dynamic offering at that position that really cause problems for D's.

Glad we are building off of last years sweeping the division and showing that we can beat teams outside the division. This young team is getting very exciting. It does not seem like we have any glaring holes anymore. Our last couple of drafts have been awesome.

 

[drummer]

With the 49ers at 5-1 and the Raiders at 4-2, Bay Area football (along with Stanford) is looking pretty good this season.

 

[kaso]

Wow. Carson Palmer. Can't say I ever thought I would have seen that happen.

But as the details break out it's clear that Al was even all over this deal. Without Al's hiring of Hue, no chance this deal happens. Not only because of Hue's relationship with Mike Brown, but also because Hue has spent so much time with Palmer. Sure the Raiders gave up a ton, but as it was point out in the Palmer thread, compare it to other deals made for QBs this season. It falls in line nicely imo.

I'm a little disappointed with how this could impact the development/investment made in Pryor. But that's a small bump in the road.

 

[RCon]

Way too much to give up for a washed up, wasn't that good to begin with, QB who now has to learn the players and system halfway into the season. I'd rather have Trent Edwards.

 

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I think Palmer does well in this system.

 

[UnknownCoach]

Way too much to give up for a washed up, wasn't that good to begin with, QB who now has to learn the players and system halfway into the season. I'd rather have Trent Edwards.

I did not want to see this trade happen. I knew Palmer was going to cost too much in order to convince the Bengals to trade him. If we win the Superbowl, I'll be happy though. Raiders going all in on this team.New GM is going to come in with no draft picks to play with. Hmm, maybe that's not so bad. All In Baby

 

[Warrior]

A 4th rounder...maybe. A 3rd rounder....eeh. A 2nd rounder....that's pretty steep for an average QB past his prime.

If you told me it was just a 1st rounder, I'd ...it would be a disaster. But TWO potential first rounders?

If Palmer doesn't take them all the way, or at least through a couple playoff rounds, this deal is a HUGE mistake and will set the Raiders back for years.

 

[Vision6]

we're screwed

It was a fun few weeks seeing how bright our future was. Now we're on the fast train back to irrelevancy. All the positive vibes will be wiped out by this horrible horrible trade and the negativity that comes with it.

 

[FavreCo]

Way too much to give up for a washed up, wasn't that good to begin with, QB who now has to learn the players and system halfway into the season. I'd rather have Trent Edwards.

Jesus. You like losing? Capt. Checkdown?

 

[ICON211]

I have been down on Palmer last couple years and he has looked bad, but I am ok with the deal. This is the guy Hue wanted and I have trust in him. This team finally has a chance to win now and I am sick of losing. No way i wanted to see this season go down in flames with Boller or Edwards under center.

 

[massraider]

The deal is going to be for a 1st and a 2nd, I am thinking. A playoff win, in the AFC, is going to be tough to come by. If it was the NFC, with one good team, it'd be a different story. Damn good trade for Cincy.

It's a lot to give up, and I wonder how much Carson has left. That's what it comes down to for me. Can he be a Super Bowl caliber QB for 4 years? Then I am fine with the deal. It's a QB league, you have to have one. He didn't look great his last year or so in Cincy. I am concerned about his overall health. Real concerned.

What I am OK with is getting aggressive. We cannot try and win this year because we want to make sure we have plenty of draft picks. And I don't care if we aren't Super Bowl contenders (even with Carson playing well, we aren't, IMO). This team needs to get in the habit of winning. Winning is a habit. If this team wins the division, then going into next year, you have a team with a bunch of young guys that are used to winning more games than they lose. Free agents are looking at a team that is a division winner. The players on this team need to be in a culture of winning, and feel that the team will do what it needs to do to win games, and that they aren't going to throw away a season because they are just thinking about the future, the future. There are youngsters at every spot on the team, the defense benefited from the addition of Seymour, and if the offense gets better from the addition of Palmer, it's a good move.

 

[kaso]

From a fans perspective I'm completely fine with a team making a move to better their team. As already mentioned Boller is not the answer, not even as a stop gap. The injury to Campbell had a chance of completely derailing this team and what they have been looking to accomplish. Hue recognized it and made a bold move with a pending deadline. Can't fault him for doing what needs to be done to be competitive this year. A QB was going to be signed as the Raiders were not going to head into the next number of weeks with just Boller and Pryor at QB, why not make a move that has a longer term impact (positive impact) than just signing another throw away player?

Years from now we will be able to look back and see if this trade made sense or who it benefited the most. But that is a long time away. Right now I hope the reports of Palmer's health are true, and that he has been practicing. Much has been made of Palmer quitting on the team, and not wanting to play football. But if he has been working out, for free, with a QB coach and other football players, then I have my doubts in the stance of him walking away from football. There is a risk that he already gave up on an organization, but that will be one of the items that determine the 'winner' of this trade in a number of years.

Looking at what we know... I'm happy with the move. And the moves that were made this season. Hell, even if we go back to the trade for Campbell, the Raiders have moved from having Russell, Gradkowski, Frye, and Losman as their QBs in 2009 to having Palmer, Campbell, and Pryor. I'm good with that. Even knowing that it cost the Raiders 4 picks. Big deal. That's what picks are for, to improve your roster. I fail to see the difference in investing the picks in players have have played in the NFL vs those who haven't yet. And furthermore, the Raiders have 3 players rostered already instead of having the picks on their back pocket...

Now I'm really looking forward to seeing the Raiders play after the bye week... and especially when I head to Minny for the game!!

 

[massraider]

Some stuff I have read on Twitter and so forth about this deal:Mort said Palmer re-did his deal. These details are a big deal to me, I'd like to see what Palmer did. Trent Edwards reportedly didn't like the way he was treated last time he was here, and wouldn't discuss coming back. Interesting.From PFT:

1. With the new CBA implementing a real rookie wage scale, first-round picks are worth more than they were before 2011, especially in the upper reaches of the round. Teams can now acquire blue-chip talent at far lower pay, squatting on them for at least five years. At a time when not many players have been yielding first-round picks via trade, the possibility that the Raiders will give up two of them for Palmer is stunning.2. Even if Palmer stinks and the Raiders otherwise make it to the postseason and win one game, the compensation becomes two first-rounders. It’s unknown whether the Raiders pressed for a trigger based on Palmer’s performance, but given the way he played last year, it would have made sense to get such protection.2. The Broncos may be kicking themselves for sending receiver Brandon Lloyd to the Rams for a sixth-round pick that can become a fifth-round pick. After the Palmer deal, it seems that maybe the Broncos could have done better.3. Or not. The Palmer trade could make it difficult if not impossible to get any more trades accomplished before this year’s deadline, since the team with the player who would be traded will (or at least should) start the talks by pointing out what the Raiders gave up for Palmer.4. Palmer reportedly has said he’ll never again set foot in Paul Brown Stadium. Under the current scheduling formula, he will next year.5. If the Raiders win the AFC West and the Bengals capture a wild-card berth, Cincy could face a no-lose situation in the postseason, if the playoff tree sends Cincinnati to Oakland. Win the game and advance, lose the game and get a second first-round pick.6. As Paul Gutierrez of CSN Bay Area pointed out during PFT Live, Raiders coach Hue Jackson clearly is running the show in Oakland. And he’s taking a big risk that Palmer won’t be worth the price that was paid. Which could eventually limit Jackson’s influence, if Palmer doesn’t deliver.7. As Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer pointed out during PFT Live, the Bengals ultimately can thank the Browns for helping the Bengals get up to two first-round picks for Palmer. If the Browns don’t break Jason Campbell’s collarbone, Palmer doesn’t get traded until 2012, at the earliest.8. Palmer’s decision not to file retirement papers made it easier for the deal to go down quickly, since Palmer didn’t have to send a letter to the Commissioner with a request to be reinstated to the active roster.9. If receiver Chad Ochocinco gets cut by the Patriots, his beeline to the Bay may not happen. There’s a belief that Palmer has had enough of Chad, and that Palmer wouldn’t want to play with him again.10. Terrelle Pryor’s career is now on hold indefinitely, unless he enters the game in a Wildcat package or plays another position.11. Carson Palmer eventually got what he wanted, without drawing much criticism. As others in the media have pointed out, it’s hard to imagine other players essentially quitting on their team to force a trade and not being called out aggressively.

 

[massraider]

From a fans perspective I'm completely fine with a team making a move to better their team. As already mentioned Boller is not the answer, not even as a stop gap. The injury to Campbell had a chance of completely derailing this team and what they have been looking to accomplish. Hue recognized it and made a bold move with a pending deadline. Can't fault him for doing what needs to be done to be competitive this year. A QB was going to be signed as the Raiders were not going to head into the next number of weeks with just Boller and Pryor at QB, why not make a move that has a longer term impact (positive impact) than just signing another throw away player? Years from now we will be able to look back and see if this trade made sense or who it benefited the most. But that is a long time away. Right now I hope the reports of Palmer's health are true, and that he has been practicing. Much has been made of Palmer quitting on the team, and not wanting to play football. But if he has been working out, for free, with a QB coach and other football players, then I have my doubts in the stance of him walking away from football. There is a risk that he already gave up on an organization, but that will be one of the items that determine the 'winner' of this trade in a number of years. Looking at what we know... I'm happy with the move. And the moves that were made this season. Hell, even if we go back to the trade for Campbell, the Raiders have moved from having Russell, Gradkowski, Frye, and Losman as their QBs in 2009 to having Palmer, Campbell, and Pryor. I'm good with that. Even knowing that it cost the Raiders 4 picks. Big deal. That's what picks are for, to improve your roster. I fail to see the difference in investing the picks in players have have played in the NFL vs those who haven't yet. And furthermore, the Raiders have 3 players rostered already instead of having the picks on their back pocket... Now I'm really looking forward to seeing the Raiders play after the bye week... and especially when I head to Minny for the game!!

This loss of draft picks thing is going to get too much play. We didn't give up all these picks next year for players that are here for one year, or 35-year-old linebackers. We just used all these picks already. Our 2nd rounder is Barksdale and Jones. So far, I am fine with this deal. Aaron Curry for a 7th and a 5th? Worth the risk.

 

[ImTheScientist]

WOW...raiders got fleece johnson'ed on this deal. DAMN!

LOL, typical. GG Bengals.

 

[ImTheScientist]

How about that 3rd rounder you gave up for Pryor? 1st, 1st, 3rd... OH MY.

 

[LawFitz]

How about that 3rd rounder you gave up for Pryor? 1st, 1st, 3rd... OH MY.

How's Girllery working out for you, bro?Or Miller?Or Tarvaris?Pretty lame of you to come in here to piss in this thread when your team has never done anything in the NFL. ANYTHING!!!

 

[Vision6]

please leave this thread. It's not the Raiders fault the seahawks blow and the Cable/Gallery/Miller signings are blowing up in your face.

 

[ImTheScientist]

How about that 3rd rounder you gave up for Pryor? 1st, 1st, 3rd... OH MY.

How's Girllery working out for you, bro?Or Miller?Or Tarvaris?Pretty lame of you to come in here to piss in this thread when your team has never done anything in the NFL. ANYTHING!!!

Been to the superbowl more recently then the raiders. At the rate the raiders are mortgaging their future Im pretty sure the Hawks will win one before the lolRaiders. Have fun w/ Ol'noodle Arm.

 

[ImTheScientist]

please leave this thread. It's not the Raiders fault the seahawks blow and the Cable/Gallery/Miller signings are blowing up in your face.

RE: 1st, 1st, 3rd....lolActually at 2-3 they are far exceeding my expectations...although not in a good way. I was hoping for 0-16. LEG SWEPT!

 

[silentmark]

It's a lot to give up, and I wonder how much Carson has left. That's what it comes down to for me. Can he be a Super Bowl caliber QB for 4 years? Then I am fine with the deal. It's a QB league, you have to have one. He didn't look great his last year or so in Cincy. I am concerned about his overall health. Real concerned.

100 % agree. The optimist in me hopes maybe he isn't washed up and can find that touch again with Hue, but right now

 

[massraider]

How about that 3rd rounder you gave up for Pryor? 1st, 1st, 3rd... OH MY.

How's Girllery working out for you, bro?Or Miller?Or Tarvaris?Pretty lame of you to come in here to piss in this thread when your team has never done anything in the NFL. ANYTHING!!!

Been to the superbowl more recently then the raiders. At the rate the raiders are mortgaging their future Im pretty sure the Hawks will win one before the lolRaiders. Have fun w/ Ol'noodle Arm.

You didn't answer his question:Happy with Gallery? Miller? Enjoying watching the Raider O-line this year?Do you daydream a lot? Like, I mean, do you daydream about having a decent running back? Or offensive line? Or not having to wear a helmet to the 'special' school mommy drops you off at? (don't spill your juice box!)

 

[OnTheReg]

As an outsider (I'm a Pats fan) my first thought was that it was nuts to trade a first rounder and maybe two first rounders for Palmer. He just hasn't looked the same the past few years...But as I've thought more about it, I admire the Raiders and Hue going for it now. Cincy was a HORRIBLE situation, and from all accounts, Palmer is a great guy and a great teammate. The Raiders are young, he could be extremely valuable as a locker room leader. So far this year, things seem to have fallen into place, and I think they have a genuine shot to win the AFC West. Do I think they beat a team like the Pats or Ravens in the playoffs? No. But they could definitely get past the wild card weekend. Add a full offseason next year with Palmer during minicamp, OTA's, etc, etc, and they could potentially be a genuine contender. No picks until the fifth is rough though. Good luck guys, I do hope you do well, always good to see the silver and black actually winning games.

 

[massraider]

As an outsider (I'm a Pats fan) my first thought was that it was nuts to trade a first rounder and maybe two first rounders for Palmer. He just hasn't looked the same the past few years...But as I've thought more about it, I admire the Raiders and Hue going for it now. Cincy was a HORRIBLE situation, and from all accounts, Palmer is a great guy and a great teammate. The Raiders are young, he could be extremely valuable as a locker room leader. So far this year, things seem to have fallen into place, and I think they have a genuine shot to win the AFC West. Do I think they beat a team like the Pats or Ravens in the playoffs? No. But they could definitely get past the wild card weekend. Add a full offseason next year with Palmer during minicamp, OTA's, etc, etc, and they could potentially be a genuine contender. No picks until the fifth is rough though. Good luck guys, I do hope you do well, always good to see the silver and black actually winning games.

Thanks. Palmer is a Bay Area guy, I think he has got to be stoked.I agree no picks until the 5th is rough, my guess is we won't be in that situation, however. Three comp picks coming from Aso, Gallery, and Miller.

 

[Chadstroma]

One thing about the draft picks is that we have a very young team, especially on offense. Look at our WR corps and our O-line. Full of young guys and upside. We also do not have any glaring holes anymore.

I feel bad for Campbell. He was playing well. However, I think Palmer can play at a higher level than Campbell can and if he does then the deal is well worth it.

 

[OnTheReg]

As an outsider (I'm a Pats fan) my first thought was that it was nuts to trade a first rounder and maybe two first rounders for Palmer. He just hasn't looked the same the past few years...But as I've thought more about it, I admire the Raiders and Hue going for it now. Cincy was a HORRIBLE situation, and from all accounts, Palmer is a great guy and a great teammate. The Raiders are young, he could be extremely valuable as a locker room leader. So far this year, things seem to have fallen into place, and I think they have a genuine shot to win the AFC West. Do I think they beat a team like the Pats or Ravens in the playoffs? No. But they could definitely get past the wild card weekend. Add a full offseason next year with Palmer during minicamp, OTA's, etc, etc, and they could potentially be a genuine contender. No picks until the fifth is rough though. Good luck guys, I do hope you do well, always good to see the silver and black actually winning games.

Thanks. Palmer is a Bay Area guy, I think he has got to be stoked.I agree no picks until the 5th is rough, my guess is we won't be in that situation, however. Three comp picks coming from Aso, Gallery, and Miller.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. What rounds would those be in?

 

[massraider]

As an outsider (I'm a Pats fan) my first thought was that it was nuts to trade a first rounder and maybe two first rounders for Palmer. He just hasn't looked the same the past few years...But as I've thought more about it, I admire the Raiders and Hue going for it now. Cincy was a HORRIBLE situation, and from all accounts, Palmer is a great guy and a great teammate. The Raiders are young, he could be extremely valuable as a locker room leader. So far this year, things seem to have fallen into place, and I think they have a genuine shot to win the AFC West. Do I think they beat a team like the Pats or Ravens in the playoffs? No. But they could definitely get past the wild card weekend. Add a full offseason next year with Palmer during minicamp, OTA's, etc, etc, and they could potentially be a genuine contender. No picks until the fifth is rough though. Good luck guys, I do hope you do well, always good to see the silver and black actually winning games.

Thanks. Palmer is a Bay Area guy, I think he has got to be stoked.I agree no picks until the 5th is rough, my guess is we won't be in that situation, however. Three comp picks coming from Aso, Gallery, and Miller.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. What rounds would those be in?

We don't know yet. The system the NFL uses to assign them is a bit of a mystery. I am going to do a bit of research on this, there's a guy that posts at KFFL, and he is the closest thing any message board has to an expert.

 

[LawFitz]

As an outsider (I'm a Pats fan) my first thought was that it was nuts to trade a first rounder and maybe two first rounders for Palmer. He just hasn't looked the same the past few years...But as I've thought more about it, I admire the Raiders and Hue going for it now. Cincy was a HORRIBLE situation, and from all accounts, Palmer is a great guy and a great teammate. The Raiders are young, he could be extremely valuable as a locker room leader. So far this year, things seem to have fallen into place, and I think they have a genuine shot to win the AFC West. Do I think they beat a team like the Pats or Ravens in the playoffs? No. But they could definitely get past the wild card weekend. Add a full offseason next year with Palmer during minicamp, OTA's, etc, etc, and they could potentially be a genuine contender. No picks until the fifth is rough though. Good luck guys, I do hope you do well, always good to see the silver and black actually winning games.

Thanks. Palmer is a Bay Area guy, I think he has got to be stoked.I agree no picks until the 5th is rough, my guess is we won't be in that situation, however. Three comp picks coming from Aso, Gallery, and Miller.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. What rounds would those be in?

We don't know yet. The system the NFL uses to assign them is a bit of a mystery. I am going to do a bit of research on this, there's a guy that posts at KFFL, and he is the closest thing any message board has to an expert.

I've asked this question many times. The formula is a function of net free agents lost, salary terms and playing time I believe. I'm not sure about the playing time part or if there is also a stats-based component. But I know you have to have a net loss overall and that in general there is a big black box at work with these picks.There was a thread on this board years ago that had a link to a guy who would with decent accuracy predict the compensatory picks. If you can find that, I bet it would lead to some answers.

 

[Balco]

One thing about the draft picks is that we have a very young team, especially on offense. Look at our WR corps and our O-line. Full of young guys and upside. We also do not have any glaring holes anymore. I feel bad for Campbell. He was playing well. However, I think Palmer can play at a higher level than Campbell can and if he does then the deal is well worth it.

It was a terrible trade, IMO. But one way to look at the lack of draft picks is the money that would be spent on the picks can now go to a couple high end free agents.

 

[massraider]

I've asked this question many times. The formula is a function of net free agents lost, salary terms and playing time I believe. I'm not sure about the playing time part or if there is also a stats-based component. But I know you have to have a net loss overall and that in general there is a big black box at work with these picks.There was a thread on this board years ago that had a link to a guy who would with decent accuracy predict the compensatory picks. If you can find that, I bet it would lead to some answers.

Here is a link to his blog: http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2010/03/projecting-2010-compensatory-nfl-draft.htmlHis name is AdamJT13, he used to post at KFFL, where I used to post quite a bit. Do a search for his name, his stuff has been linked here by myself and others. He is incredibly accurate on his predictions. As I said, salary per year is the main ingredient in deciding the comp picks. Here's a meaty comment from his long blog post linked above:

Last year, regardless of playing time or postseason honors, the third-round comp players had signed for at least $6.5 million per season, the fourth-round comp players had signed for $4.8 million to $6 million, all but one of the fifth-round comp players had signed for $4 million to $5 million, the sixth-round comp players had signed for $2.7 million to $3.9 million, and the seventh-round comp players had signed for less than $2.65 million per season.

This was based on the 2010 comp picks, so we are talking about 2 years later, those salary cutoff points are going to be higher. Nnamdi is a lock for a 3rd rounder. Gallery and Miller are the mystery. No one has Gallery's contract info, and we know Miller signed a deal for 5 years, 34 mill (roughly a 6+ mill average).A three and two fours is a possibility, and maybe two 3rd rounders (I doubt that). Worst case, I see a 3,4, and 5. So all this talk about no draft picks next April, people need to step back and take a look. Our draft next year is Carson Palmer, Joseph Barksdale, Taiwan Jones, Terrelle Pryor, Aaron Curry, Jason Campbell, a 5th and a 6th, and three comp picks. Ummm, that doesn't look terrible to me.

 

[FavreCo]

How about that 3rd rounder you gave up for Pryor? 1st, 1st, 3rd... OH MY.

Now THAT was stupid from the word go. Good thing is that he is now on the bench permanently barring Palmer injury.

 

[Eastwood]

as long as Palmer throws to Moore, I'm okay with it. Plus as a Redskins fan, its nice to see someone make a trade WORSE than anything Snyder has ever done via trade of free agency. And THAT is saying something.

 

[massraider]

Palmer in January of this year year

Have we ever seen Campbell make a throw like this, down the sideline?

If nothing else:

One more thing I have read is that Palmer restructured his deal 43 mill through 2013. Looking for more details on that, but his contract seems to be reasonable.

You know, the broken Palmer, last year, completed 61% of his passes, 3,900 yards, and 26 TDs. On a bad team. I mean, this is an improvement. And man, if he is healthy, if he is better....geez, sky is the limit.

I am nervous about Palmer, and I feel like everyone is assuming he is done, physically. But....what if he isn't? What if he is healthy? Have to admit, I am getting more and more excited about the move.

Not sure how I feel about Palmer playing this week. I think we can win at home vs. KC by just keeping Boller to one pick or less.

 

[Raider Nation]

How about that 3rd rounder you gave up for Pryor? 1st, 1st, 3rd... OH MY.

Pretty lame of you to come in here to piss in this thread when your team has never done anything in the NFL.

Why even reply? He's clearly an effeminate little NERD who gets mocked by chicks and beaten up by dudes.Making "clever" little remarks on a message board is the only joy in his life.

 

[Chadstroma]

One thing about the draft picks is that we have a very young team, especially on offense. Look at our WR corps and our O-line. Full of young guys and upside. We also do not have any glaring holes anymore. I feel bad for Campbell. He was playing well. However, I think Palmer can play at a higher level than Campbell can and if he does then the deal is well worth it.

It was a terrible trade, IMO. But one way to look at the lack of draft picks is the money that would be spent on the picks can now go to a couple high end free agents.

I don't know... really, I liked Campbell and thought he was doing well but the one thing he just could not do was throw the long ball. How many times have we took a shot downfield and one of our young guns gets open but the ball sails out of bounds or is otherwise a bad throw? Palmer can make those throws. This is the type of system that Palmer excelled in and now will have more weapons than he ever had before.

 

[mad sweeney]

How about that 3rd rounder you gave up for Pryor? 1st, 1st, 3rd... OH MY.

Pretty lame of you to come in here to piss in this thread when your team has never done anything in the NFL.

Why even reply? He's clearly an effeminate little NERD who gets mocked by chicks and beaten up by dudes.Making "clever" little remarks on a message board is the only joy in his life.

I think you need to flip fop dudes and chicks in that sentence.

 

[RaiderBones]

How about that 3rd rounder you gave up for Pryor? 1st, 1st, 3rd... OH MY.

Pretty lame of you to come in here to piss in this thread when your team has never done anything in the NFL.

Why even reply? He's clearly an effeminate little NERD who gets mocked by chicks and beaten up by dudes.Making "clever" little remarks on a message board is the only joy in his life.

I think you need to flip fop dudes and chicks in that sentence.

 

[massraider]

Former Bengals receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh has been working out with new Raiders quarterback (and former “retired” Bengal) Carson Palmer all year. He told Bengals.com that Palmer’s elbow, which caused him to miss 12 games in 2008 with a frayed ulna nerve, was still hurt last year.

“I threw with him before last season and he was OK, but he wasn’t zipping it like he used to. I thought he was hurt,” Houshmandzadeh said. “This year, oh man, it’s about as good as I’ve ever seen him. He’s healthy. He’s throwing it like the Carson of old.”

Houshmandzadeh said that Raiders receivers will be happy with Tuesday’s trade.

“You always knew you had a shot with Carson,” Houshmandzadeh said. “You knew he was accurate downfield and he could make every throw. He could get it down there and I think he still can.

As for Palmer, he said he was working out with Houshmandzadeh and high school players in Southern California, to stay in shape but wasn’t sure he would get another chance to play in the NFL.

“There was a number of times that there were teams approaching the Bengals and it didn’t work out, so it was a very difficult time,” Palmer said.

“I didn’t know what was going to happen. I didn’t know what was around the next turn, the next week, the next month. So there was a lot of confusion and I really didn’t know what was next.”

He got a text at 4 in the morning Tuesday to come to Oakland, and “couldn’t be happier” to have landed with Hue Jackson and the Raiders.

http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2011/10/18/houshmandzadeh-says-palmers-still-got-it/