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2011 Oakland Raiders In-Season Thread (2 Viewers)
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UnknownCoach
Footballguy
As far as the compensatory picks go, I'm only counting on a 3rd and 1 or 2 late round picks. The key players lost are Nnamdi, Gallery, and Miller. The key players gained are Boss and Heyer. There were a few other losses and additions but I doubt any of them are substantial enough to count towards compensatory picks. If any others are, it would only affect the 7th round.
So we lost 3 and gained 2 players for a net loss of 1 player. Thats a for sure pick. Considering the value of who we lost, especially Nnamdi, that pick seems likely to be a 3rd rounder. The NFL doenst give away many 3rd round picks but we are talking about one of the league's highest paid players.
If a player signed is considered substantially less valueable by formula than one lost the NFL can also give a pick, usually a late rounder. It may only be a 7th but maybe in our case this year we can hope for a little better. We should get one or two of these for losing more valuable players than we gained.
Boss's salary is around 4million per year, Heyer I think is a one year around 1.7m (it was reported the same we originally offered Mario Henderson). Miller's contract is between 6-7m per and Gallery I would guess is above or simuliar to the 4m per mark we paid Boss but I dont have the details. Other factors include playing time and post season awards. Gallery, Miller, and Boss have already missed games with injury while Heyer has been inactive for much of the season. This will lessen the formula value of Gallery, Miller, and Heyer, and Boss. If Boss is healthy the rest of the year while Gallery or Miller continue to miss games, we might end up with one less pick (2 instead of 3). If Heyer doesnt get on the field again this year, its conceivable that we could get a better pick (mid round).
So expect a 3rd round pick, a mid-late round pick, and possibly a third late round pick.
So we lost 3 and gained 2 players for a net loss of 1 player. Thats a for sure pick. Considering the value of who we lost, especially Nnamdi, that pick seems likely to be a 3rd rounder. The NFL doenst give away many 3rd round picks but we are talking about one of the league's highest paid players.
If a player signed is considered substantially less valueable by formula than one lost the NFL can also give a pick, usually a late rounder. It may only be a 7th but maybe in our case this year we can hope for a little better. We should get one or two of these for losing more valuable players than we gained.
Boss's salary is around 4million per year, Heyer I think is a one year around 1.7m (it was reported the same we originally offered Mario Henderson). Miller's contract is between 6-7m per and Gallery I would guess is above or simuliar to the 4m per mark we paid Boss but I dont have the details. Other factors include playing time and post season awards. Gallery, Miller, and Boss have already missed games with injury while Heyer has been inactive for much of the season. This will lessen the formula value of Gallery, Miller, and Heyer, and Boss. If Boss is healthy the rest of the year while Gallery or Miller continue to miss games, we might end up with one less pick (2 instead of 3). If Heyer doesnt get on the field again this year, its conceivable that we could get a better pick (mid round).
So expect a 3rd round pick, a mid-late round pick, and possibly a third late round pick.
silentmark
Footballguy
After a day of reading and researching, I am with you massraider, nervous that he is washed up but excited as all hell if he isn't. Heh for now I will still keep this on'massraider said:
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RaiderBones
Footballguy
I'm very excited about this trade. I think the compensation was a bit steep, however with that being said if we make it late into the playoffs where that 2013 draft pick become a 1st, then in my opinion it was worth it.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Been listening to Salomon Wilcots and he has an interesting take. He says Palmer's TD/Int ratio between his last 32 games is exactly the same as the 32 games prior to that.
Wilcots also claims that the coaches tape shows that much of the percieved decline in Palmer's play is due to the play of his receiving core (running the wrong routes, ect.) He points specifically to Palmer's stats the final two games without Ocho.
I would also point out that the Raiders have historically done very well after acquiring a starting QB from other teams, or cast off QBs (plunket, Gannon). I am optimistic this will be judge as a good trade in the long run.
Wilcots also claims that the coaches tape shows that much of the percieved decline in Palmer's play is due to the play of his receiving core (running the wrong routes, ect.) He points specifically to Palmer's stats the final two games without Ocho.
I would also point out that the Raiders have historically done very well after acquiring a starting QB from other teams, or cast off QBs (plunket, Gannon). I am optimistic this will be judge as a good trade in the long run.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Re compensatory picks, IIRC the pickscare based on the sise of the player's contact not signings vs lost players. I expect the Raiders to get a 3rd for NA, possibly a 5th and 6th for Gallery/Miller.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I am excited about the Raiders attitude overall with this trade. So many are scoffing at why they paid the price they did. If it's just for a shot at making the playoffs. They don't seem like they are content to just make the playoffs, but dare I say it, they seem to be preparing themselves for a playoff run. I don't want to get ahead of myself here. I've never been a Palmer fan, but the vibe and electricity that Hue Jackson gives the team exudes confidence, swagger, mojo.
It's fun to root for this team now, and I can't really say that I've felt that way for about a decade. The culture change alone is worth the heavy pricetag in trade.
It's fun to root for this team now, and I can't really say that I've felt that way for about a decade. The culture change alone is worth the heavy pricetag in trade.
Garrett
Footballguy
I can tell you are still sore from that 33-3 ### whipping the Raiders put on the Seahawks last year.Print out a copy of your insightful posts in this thread and use it to wipe those tears.
massraider
Footballguy
You could smell this coming, but Shaugnessy is done:
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/10/19/raiders-place-de-shaughnessy-on-injured-reserve/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+iba_raiders+%28Inside+The+Oakland+Raiders%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
The Raiders freed up a spot on the 53-man roster for quarterback Carson Palmer by placing veteran defensive end Matt Shaughnessy on the injured-reserve list.
That makes Shaughnessy ineligible to play for the Raiders again this season. He suffered a shoulder injury against the New York Jets on Sept. 25 and has not played since.
The Raiders held out hope that his shoulder might heal at some point this season. However, it appeared as if things weren’t going to improve enough for Shaughnessy to help out this season.
Jarvis Moss, Desmond Bryant and Trevor Scott are expected to fill the void in Shaughnessy’s absence.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/10/19/raiders-place-de-shaughnessy-on-injured-reserve/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+iba_raiders+%28Inside+The+Oakland+Raiders%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
The Raiders freed up a spot on the 53-man roster for quarterback Carson Palmer by placing veteran defensive end Matt Shaughnessy on the injured-reserve list.
That makes Shaughnessy ineligible to play for the Raiders again this season. He suffered a shoulder injury against the New York Jets on Sept. 25 and has not played since.
The Raiders held out hope that his shoulder might heal at some point this season. However, it appeared as if things weren’t going to improve enough for Shaughnessy to help out this season.
Jarvis Moss, Desmond Bryant and Trevor Scott are expected to fill the void in Shaughnessy’s absence.
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
If Palmer starts this week there will surely be a lot of rust and communication issues. Still could play better than Boller but Boller seems like a safer start. I just hope we dont have to switch out QBs because we started the wrong guy. We must not lose to KC at home. I was hoping we'd prepare Boller this week and Palmer during the bye. Splitting the snaps between them all week kind of makes two half prepped QBs.
I have a feeling they are trying to start Palmer. Hue isnt afraid to take risks for sure. Hopefully this one pays off.
I have a feeling they are trying to start Palmer. Hue isnt afraid to take risks for sure. Hopefully this one pays off.
kegger
Footballguy
Palmer not being prepared, or Boller playing is probably about the same. (to me)
So if you start Palmer, see what he looks like this week, that should give you even
more info to work with on the By-Week, if he's in decent shape I think he should be
at least in the lineup and play.
So if you start Palmer, see what he looks like this week, that should give you even
more info to work with on the By-Week, if he's in decent shape I think he should be
at least in the lineup and play.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Lombardi says Carson needed Tommy John surgery but didn't have it.
What? This is the first I've heard this. He says it at about 4:45. I think Lombardi's credible enough to not just make that up.
So how do we feel about this? I'm not a doctor, but a Tommy John injury is pretty serious right? Can anyone comment intelligently about this injury and how well it can heal without surgery? I'm guessing the ligament involved wasn't fully torn if he opted to not have the surgery.
What? This is the first I've heard this. He says it at about 4:45. I think Lombardi's credible enough to not just make that up.
So how do we feel about this? I'm not a doctor, but a Tommy John injury is pretty serious right? Can anyone comment intelligently about this injury and how well it can heal without surgery? I'm guessing the ligament involved wasn't fully torn if he opted to not have the surgery.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
In a radical switching of gears from Tommy John, I also gleaned this nugget from my favorite Raider board:
Could just be coincidence, but in the two games since Al's passing the shackles have come off the defense in terms of blitzing. God rest Al, but I was tired of our defense always looking so uncreative. That's not been the case last two weeks. Blitzes have come from all over to great effect. There is a lot of talent on that side of the ball if the scheming can be brought up a notch. Safety blitzing in particular seems like a strength b/c of the speed those guys have to come from way off the line to wreak havoc post snap.
massraider
Footballguy
No idea. What I do know about Tommy John surgery:
Usually a baseball pitcher thing.
It replaces a ligament in the elbow with a tendon from elsewhere in the body, or a cadaver.
It's not very risky, there's been a lot of players that have had it, and come back. Takes a while tho. Of course, I assume it takes more time for a pitcher than a QB.
But this is a weird thing. If someone needs to have Tommy John surgery, that means a ligament needs to be replaced. How does that ligament not need to be replaced now?
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
This is from a couple years ago. It was reported Palmer needed Tommy John surgery but instead opted for rest and alternative treatments. Since that time many folks have commented his arm looks weaker (and the stats have taken a dive). Perhaps the stats took a nosedive for unrelated reasons. But this has been news for awhile.ETA - he hurt it in 2008 sometime. About a year later he claimed he was back to being 100%.
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massraider
Footballguy
Aah, I see. Thanks.
I hate Mike Lombardi
I hate Mike Lombardi
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Good to hear on both DHB and Palmer being extra motivated to make them both better.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Great post Stompin' Tom.
You know, why aren't Colts fans more pissed that the Colts didn't try and get a vet? Why aren't Seattle fans more upset?
Long story short, the Raiders don't play scared. Hue doesn't coach scared, and they don't make personnel moves scared. The can take a chance, and everyone isn't worried about making a bold move, and getting second-guessed by the higher ups.
No one is saying trading draft picks for vets is a sound strategy every year. No one believes that. But if we get return for those picks, what's the problem?
The big thing to me, I think this is a nice year to make a little try at a run in the NFL. Teams are down, top teams are showing weakness, there's room for another elite team. Steelers, Colts, down. Chargers, no one thinks they are invincible. Jets, well, we know they can be had. Ravens and Pats. If you are talking final four in the conference, who else is a lock?
NFC has one great team, and a bunch of teams that have shown their a## a bit.
Take a shot on Carson, and if it turns out that Hue knows he is healthy, and "back", I don't think you can dismiss the Raiders as a contender.
You know, why aren't Colts fans more pissed that the Colts didn't try and get a vet? Why aren't Seattle fans more upset?
Long story short, the Raiders don't play scared. Hue doesn't coach scared, and they don't make personnel moves scared. The can take a chance, and everyone isn't worried about making a bold move, and getting second-guessed by the higher ups.
No one is saying trading draft picks for vets is a sound strategy every year. No one believes that. But if we get return for those picks, what's the problem?
The big thing to me, I think this is a nice year to make a little try at a run in the NFL. Teams are down, top teams are showing weakness, there's room for another elite team. Steelers, Colts, down. Chargers, no one thinks they are invincible. Jets, well, we know they can be had. Ravens and Pats. If you are talking final four in the conference, who else is a lock?
NFC has one great team, and a bunch of teams that have shown their a## a bit.
Take a shot on Carson, and if it turns out that Hue knows he is healthy, and "back", I don't think you can dismiss the Raiders as a contender.
massraider
Footballguy
A really, really fun thing to read:http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_19160098
RaiderBones
Footballguy
That's sweet music to my ears. I like the more aggresive playcalling for the defense. I just wish Bresnehan would stay away from the prevent late in games, because it blows.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
There was a lot that Al brought to the table over the years but one of the negatives was that his knowledge of the game restrained his coaches to what he viewed as the Raider way. He was very resistant to any change other than getting pressure on the QB with our front 4 and play bump and run man to man. The thing was that the game has changed, yes, more sophisticated offenses and defense but more importantly the rules. It was much easier to be effective in that 'vanilla' D when the DB's had much more leeway and safeties could intimidate you away from certain routes (like going over the middle). Offenses pretty much have known what the Raiders were going to do every game and it was a question of who executes better. Now the coaches have the freedom to keep the opposing teams guessing.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Every defense going forward will have Carson Palmer on the brain. I think it would be awesome to incorporate some kind of wildcat/triple option package for three of four plays per game, with McFadden being the point man just like he was at Arkansas. I know we tried it a few times in the past, but it can be perfected. Instead of using the plodding Bush in the formation, I'd have Ford and Taiwan Jones involved instead.
Example: Personnel is Palmer, McFadden, Jones, Ford, DHB, five lineman and Boss.
Palmer breaks the huddle to increase the chances that the defense is still in a nickel package, then he splits out WIDE and is uninvolved in the play. McFadden and Jones line up in the backfield with nobody under center. Ford comes in motion, and all three players are in the backfield when the ball is snapped. (Kinda like what the Dolphins sprung on the Pats in '08). Talk about crazy speed! If one of them finds a crack due to undisciplined defensive gap play, it's a house call.
After running this formation a few times, if the safeties get too nosy, McFadden is more than capable of throwing the ball to DHB.
Example: Personnel is Palmer, McFadden, Jones, Ford, DHB, five lineman and Boss.
Palmer breaks the huddle to increase the chances that the defense is still in a nickel package, then he splits out WIDE and is uninvolved in the play. McFadden and Jones line up in the backfield with nobody under center. Ford comes in motion, and all three players are in the backfield when the ball is snapped. (Kinda like what the Dolphins sprung on the Pats in '08). Talk about crazy speed! If one of them finds a crack due to undisciplined defensive gap play, it's a house call.
After running this formation a few times, if the safeties get too nosy, McFadden is more than capable of throwing the ball to DHB.
massraider
Footballguy
Schefter is now reporting it's 95% that Boller starts. 
ESPN and to a lesser extent NFLN has some egg on their face on this one. You had to dig to really find out that Hue Jackson refuted these reports.
This is a big week for the team. They have some players that are still out, important ones, and Palmer isn't up to speed. If they can get a win against KC here, the bye week is at about the best spot we could hope for. If they can get a win, have Palmer up to speed in two weeks, and get most/all of Reece, C. Johnson, SeaBass, Huff, Rolando, and Chekwa healthy, it'll be really nice.
ESPN and to a lesser extent NFLN has some egg on their face on this one. You had to dig to really find out that Hue Jackson refuted these reports.This is a big week for the team. They have some players that are still out, important ones, and Palmer isn't up to speed. If they can get a win against KC here, the bye week is at about the best spot we could hope for. If they can get a win, have Palmer up to speed in two weeks, and get most/all of Reece, C. Johnson, SeaBass, Huff, Rolando, and Chekwa healthy, it'll be really nice.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Pryor is splitting first team work this week with Palmer and Boller. First team reps are precious right now in trying to get Palmer or Boller comfortable and ready to start this weekend, so this is curious.
Could Hue be working on a few wrinkles with Pryor as an option QB with DMC? Maybe we'll see Pryor once or twice each game in a wildcat formation since Hue lost that aspect of his playbook when Palmer replaced Campbell. Why not let the big fast running QB go in for a few wildcat plays? It's not like they've invested big dollars in him if he gets hurt. If he can help you now in a slash role, why not get his athleticism on the field while he slowly learns to be a real QB? I like it.
ETA: the NFL dropped the third QB rule this offseason, allowing the third QB to be an active player on game day, making Pryor's appearance as a wildcat QB a more legitimate possibility. Hue Jax is going to find a way to use this guy.
Could Hue be working on a few wrinkles with Pryor as an option QB with DMC? Maybe we'll see Pryor once or twice each game in a wildcat formation since Hue lost that aspect of his playbook when Palmer replaced Campbell. Why not let the big fast running QB go in for a few wildcat plays? It's not like they've invested big dollars in him if he gets hurt. If he can help you now in a slash role, why not get his athleticism on the field while he slowly learns to be a real QB? I like it.
ETA: the NFL dropped the third QB rule this offseason, allowing the third QB to be an active player on game day, making Pryor's appearance as a wildcat QB a more legitimate possibility. Hue Jax is going to find a way to use this guy.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
C'mon man, Wildcat theories are stupid.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I'm not saying 15 wildcat plays a game like the Dolphins of a few years ago, but I could see some experimentation and possibly more if the experiments are successful. You don't think Hue will be creative with Pryor and DMC? Pryor is the perfect guy to do this with. He has Cam Newton measurables (actually he's faster) and a fig newton price. If this were John Fox, I'd agree with you, but this is Huge Action.'Raider Nation said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
LawFitz
Footballguy
Doh! You hooked me. Thanks for letting me loose.I'm excited to see what Huge Action has next, wildcat and otherwise!Dude, I'm kidding. Check out what I wrote two posts before yours.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
You gotta have Moore on the field for this.'Raider Nation said:Every defense going forward will have Carson Palmer on the brain. I think it would be awesome to incorporate some kind of wildcat/triple option package for three of four plays per game, with McFadden being the point man just like he was at Arkansas. I know we tried it a few times in the past, but it can be perfected. Instead of using the plodding Bush in the formation, I'd have Ford and Taiwan Jones involved instead.
Example: Personnel is Palmer, McFadden, Jones, Ford, DHB, five lineman and Boss.
Palmer breaks the huddle to increase the chances that the defense is still in a nickel package, then he splits out WIDE and is uninvolved in the play. McFadden and Jones line up in the backfield with nobody under center. Ford comes in motion, and all three players are in the backfield when the ball is snapped. (Kinda like what the Dolphins sprung on the Pats in '08). Talk about crazy speed! If one of them finds a crack due to undisciplined defensive gap play, it's a house call.
After running this formation a few times, if the safeties get too nosy, McFadden is more than capable of throwing the ball to DHB.
massraider
Footballguy
The three kickers we worked out:
Dave Rayner, Ricky Schmitt, and Rhys Lloyd.
Dave Rayner, Ricky Schmitt, and Rhys Lloyd.
Garrett
Footballguy
Count me in the group that loves the trade for Palmer. For a team that has not had a good option at QB for 10 years, you have to take risks to find an answer at that position.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Raynor signed. You know, normally for a team losing their kicker for a couple of weeks is not that big of a deal. You bring in another kicker and may get a small drop off in what you can do- but with Sebas, it really hurts. We no longer have an almost give me 50 yards out and that can really impact the game plan.The three kickers we worked outave Rayner, Ricky Schmitt, and Rhys Lloyd.
massraider
Footballguy
KC is catching us at as good a spot as they could ask for. Transitioning between QBs, no kicker, and a lot of injuries.Raynor signed. You know, normally for a team losing their kicker for a couple of weeks is not that big of a deal. You bring in another kicker and may get a small drop off in what you can do- but with Sebas, it really hurts. We no longer have an almost give me 50 yards out and that can really impact the game plan.The three kickers we worked out
Thank God we at home. Any divisional opponent cannot be taken lightly, as the entire AFC West found out last year. They ALL thought they had a better team, and the Raiders ran the table. KC has played consistently better recently, I actually expect Cassel to come out throwing. Their best chance is to make Boller throw, so just running Jackie Battle doesn't seem like the smartest move. Go after the young cornerbacks, see if Bowe and Breaston can break free. I am pretty nervous about this game.
Fensalk
Footballguy
Sherlock Holmes would say data data data and that we need to see Carson Palmer play with the Raiders to make a judgement. Everyone else making confident statements before he ever takes a snap are already en route to clouding their own judgment and reasoning abilities. If he succeeds in Oakland, they will probably spin his success into failure (alter the facts to fit the views) to protect their cred, or go silent and hope everyone forgets what they said.After a day of reading and researching, I am with you massraider, nervous that he is washed up but excited as all hell if he isn't. Heh for now I will still keep this on
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
KC has won their last two games. They are the defending division champs. They are coming off a bye week...The Chiefs are going down Baby!KC is catching us at as good a spot as they could ask for. Transitioning between QBs, no kicker, and a lot of injuries.
kaso
Footballguy
A red hat when the chiefs are in town?!(sorry... that's the jealousy in me coming out! Enjoy the game!!)I'll be on the sideline of this game. Look for the red Phillies cap.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
thanks man!Left the red hat in my car. Since I'll be on the sideline with a press credential, I can't have any NFL apperal.A red hat when the chiefs are in town?!(sorry... that's the jealousy in me coming out! Enjoy the game!!)I'll be on the sideline of this game. Look for the red Phillies cap.
RaiderBones
Footballguy
Now how are we suppose to find now, I guess you should have worn a yellow footballguys.com hat.thanks man!Left the red hat in my car. Since I'll be on the sideline with a press credential, I can't have any NFL apperal.A red hat when the chiefs are in town?!(sorry... that's the jealousy in me coming out! Enjoy the game!!)I'll be on the sideline of this game. Look for the red Phillies cap.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
KC is catching us at as good a spot as they could ask for. Transitioning between QBs, no kicker, and a lot of injuries.
Any divisional opponent cannot be taken lightly, as the entire AFC West found out last year. They ALL thought they had a better team, and the Raiders ran the table. KC has played consistently better recently, I actually expect Cassel to come out throwing. Their best chance is to make Boller throw, so just running Jackie Battle doesn't seem like the smartest move. Go after the young cornerbacks, see if Bowe and Breaston can break free. I am pretty nervous about this game.
PFFFFFFFFFFFT.....Can we bring in Palmer now, since he can't POSSIBLY be worse than Boller?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Boller sucks! There I said it before the game was over. Somebody blasted Tebow before he ended up winning late. Hope I can bump this post to eat crow. But I seriously doubt it. 
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Dear Hue,
Please cut Boller at halftime.
Thanks,
RN
Please cut Boller at halftime.
Thanks,
RN
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Now I've tried to positive about the Palmer trade. But I got some serious issues about trading 2 future #1 picks for a guy that is too rusty to play. I have to think that Hue Jackson had his fingerprints all over this trade, and should have seen some recent film on this guy. Had some kind of private workout. If he's that rusty that he can't play ahead of a garbage QB like Boller, I got to have some serious doubts over the value of that trade.
Another way to look at it is Boller is a huge dropoff from Campbell. Like Peyton Manning to Curtis Painter. Al Davis wanted this to be Jason Campbell's team. But there was never a sustainable backup plan in place. It was always "all-in" on Campbell. The trade for Palmer if they really want to spin they wanted him all along could have been made much cheaper at the beginning of the season, and by now Palmer would have been ready.
The smugness of Hue in his pressers acting like Palmer was his man all along doesn't add up. The trade now looks like a panic move. Boller isn't even an emergency QB. This is for certain his last stop and season in the NFL. Hue and AD should have known better than to have no backup plan in place in case Campbell went down. At this point, we are going to lose this game to the Chiefs regardless, so why not put Palmer in there and work out some game day rust?
Another way to look at it is Boller is a huge dropoff from Campbell. Like Peyton Manning to Curtis Painter. Al Davis wanted this to be Jason Campbell's team. But there was never a sustainable backup plan in place. It was always "all-in" on Campbell. The trade for Palmer if they really want to spin they wanted him all along could have been made much cheaper at the beginning of the season, and by now Palmer would have been ready.
The smugness of Hue in his pressers acting like Palmer was his man all along doesn't add up. The trade now looks like a panic move. Boller isn't even an emergency QB. This is for certain his last stop and season in the NFL. Hue and AD should have known better than to have no backup plan in place in case Campbell went down. At this point, we are going to lose this game to the Chiefs regardless, so why not put Palmer in there and work out some game day rust?
nxmehta
Footballguy
Hate to break it to you, but...
ICON211
Footballguy
Lets not overract to one week with a limited playbook. I do not think they could have made this trade cheaper in the beginning of the year. Mike Brown only traded him because the raiders offered so much otherwise he would have rather let him stay "retired." I also read that Hue told Peter King when he got the job that he wanted Palmer to be the QB of the Raiders. For all we know they may have tried to get Palmer before the season, but Al may not have been willing to give up what they did now.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Just heard Carson interviewed after the game. He was frustrated, naturally, and mentioned that he literally only knew 10% of the playbook. It certainly was not pretty, but I'm not going to overreact after one performance, especially considering he's been on the team for ten minutes. I'm willing to be optimistic and reserve judgment until after the bye week.
It helps matters that the Chargers also lost, so in the big picture, hopefully this loss won't be too devastating.
It helps matters that the Chargers also lost, so in the big picture, hopefully this loss won't be too devastating.
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
Good news first!
Much much needed bye is next week.
On to the bad news...
we just lost to the Chiefs on our turf. We still have to play in KC and have two games against San Diego. This was an important game. If we werent playing a division opponent, maybe McClain doesnt even try to play.
A week after our QB goes down and days after our kicker falls, the real centerpiece of our offense, our RB, gets nicked as well as our defensive signal caller. We really need this bye week.
None of our QBs were prepared for this game. Having 3 guys sharing the first string snaps in practice when none of them have started for us before was a recipe for disaster from the beginning. Might as well have run a high school level offense with Pryor starting. We would have had a better chance. So yeah, I think the coaching staff is partially to blame for this one. Its not their fault Campbell got hurt or that Pryor was suspended. It is their fault though that they prepared like Boller was supposed to fail and started him anyway. If Boller is really that bad, why is he even on the team? Spreading their attention between 3 QBs going against a division rival who was coming off a bye week. Ugly, ugly, ugly! I hope its another lesson learned for Hue Jackson. He's now got two weeks to fix it.
While its nice to see Routt and Van Dyke making good tackles, why is a CB getting 10 tackles? They both actually played pretty well. Especially considering they were the only two actice CBs in the game. Speaking of that, Huff tackles worse than most NFL corners. Ok, so Huff is really half CB half FS. So am I supposed to give him half a break?
We saw a great game from a linebacker this week. Unfortunately he played for the other team. We have to be able to punch that ball in. This week I didnt mind Hue going for it on fourth down. Being down 14 in the first half is a much different situation than being up 14 halfway through the 4th quarter. not a bad call, just not good enough blocking. Speaking of our blockers, the penalties were back this week.
Ok, back to the good news...
Its Bye Week, Yaah!
Much much needed bye is next week.
On to the bad news...
we just lost to the Chiefs on our turf. We still have to play in KC and have two games against San Diego. This was an important game. If we werent playing a division opponent, maybe McClain doesnt even try to play.
A week after our QB goes down and days after our kicker falls, the real centerpiece of our offense, our RB, gets nicked as well as our defensive signal caller. We really need this bye week.
None of our QBs were prepared for this game. Having 3 guys sharing the first string snaps in practice when none of them have started for us before was a recipe for disaster from the beginning. Might as well have run a high school level offense with Pryor starting. We would have had a better chance. So yeah, I think the coaching staff is partially to blame for this one. Its not their fault Campbell got hurt or that Pryor was suspended. It is their fault though that they prepared like Boller was supposed to fail and started him anyway. If Boller is really that bad, why is he even on the team? Spreading their attention between 3 QBs going against a division rival who was coming off a bye week. Ugly, ugly, ugly! I hope its another lesson learned for Hue Jackson. He's now got two weeks to fix it.
While its nice to see Routt and Van Dyke making good tackles, why is a CB getting 10 tackles? They both actually played pretty well. Especially considering they were the only two actice CBs in the game. Speaking of that, Huff tackles worse than most NFL corners. Ok, so Huff is really half CB half FS. So am I supposed to give him half a break?
We saw a great game from a linebacker this week. Unfortunately he played for the other team. We have to be able to punch that ball in. This week I didnt mind Hue going for it on fourth down. Being down 14 in the first half is a much different situation than being up 14 halfway through the 4th quarter. not a bad call, just not good enough blocking. Speaking of our blockers, the penalties were back this week.
Ok, back to the good news...
Its Bye Week, Yaah!
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