2011 offseason dynasty trades (2 Viewers)

[fsufan]

12 Team PPR

Made two deals yesterday in same league

Gave:

Jackson, Steven STL RB

Johnson, Andre HOU WR

Got:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR

- AND -

Gave:

Ford, Jacoby OAK WR

Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Got:

Austin, Miles DAL WR

*Those 1sts should be late.

I bet you broke the accept button on that one.

Why so eager to downgrade at both RB and WR, and get nothing in return?

I'm guessing you're not a dynasty player.

no way is a dynasty player

maybe the owner getting Sjax and AJ is in a win now mode and feels these 2 players can help him win this year more than the other 2

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Again a case where people feel obliged to "go younger" just because it's a dynasty league. Sometimes you need to go for the win.

 

[Go deep]

Again a case where people feel obliged to "go younger" just because it's a dynasty league. Sometimes you need to go for the win.

But you dont win with past stats. i think Mathews with have better numbers than Jackson this season, and Nicks/AJ should be close.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Team F trades S. Holmes WR and C. Ivory RB to Team I for T. Choice RB and F. Jones RB

 

[Sinrj]

Andre Johnson > Hakeem Nicks

Steven Jackson > Ryan Matthews

am I really the only one who feels this way?

Probably. Now in a redraft, most would agree with you. But S-Jax is about to fall of a cliff. And while AJ has many good years left, Nicks is what, 8-10 years younger, but has similar upside. I'd want Nicks and Matthews here all day long.

I agree, try making this trade next year, it would be impossible. I see similar production from these two For 2011 and quite a big drop off starting 2012. This is a great trade in terms of dynasty, IMO.

It works on both sides of the trade. If Johnson/Jackson finish in the top 5 next year while Nicks/Matthews are just average you won't be able to make the trade either.

 

[Todem]

12 Team PPR

Team A Gave:

Mike Wallace

Team B Gave:

Brandon Marshall

Santonio Holmes

I have mixed emotions. Could make an argument either way.

That is a lot for Wallace. I am a fan, but I would not pay that much.

Team A in a landslide.

 

[Scarpaggio]

Recent Trades in my league. I'm Team A

Trade 1:

Team A Gave: Henne, Chad MIA QB;Starks, James GBP RB;Marshall, Brandon MIA WR;Ochocinco, Chad CIN WR;Packers, Green Bay GBP Def; Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.10;Year 2011 Draft Pick 3.10;Year 2011 Draft Pick 4.10;Year 2011 Draft Pick 5.10

Team B Gave: Sanchez, Mark NYJ QB;Boss, Kevin NYG TE;Chargers, San Diego SDC Def; Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.04;Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.08;Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.09

Trade 2:

Team A Gave: Gore, Frank SFO RB;Avery, Donnie STL WR

Team C Gave: Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR; Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.02

Trade 3:

Team A Gave: Manning, Peyton IND QB

Team D Gave: McCoy, LeSean PHI RB; Year 2011 Draft Pick 3.11

Trade 4:

Team E Gave: Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.06

Team F Gave: Armstrong, Anthony WAS WR;Evans, Lee BUF WR;Owens, Terrell CIN WR;Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WR

 

[Todem]

Traded my 1.4 and 2012 1st rounder for

2011 1.1 which will be Mark Ingram

Starting lineup after trade

Peyton Manning

Chris Johnson

Frank Gore

Mark Ingram

Colston

Boldin

Manningham

Cook (or Heap)

Baltimore Def

wild card players on the bench:

Randy Moss - you never know with him. NY Jets can give him a swan song season.

James Jones - could land on another team and make a nice impact

Jordan Shipley - slot guy set to maybe make a nice bye week WR

Willis McGahee - On his last legs but can still be a nice player to stash

Bascially I need to stay healthy and I think this team can compete so I felt my 2012 1st rounder would be a later pick. I wanted Ingram badly. I think the kid has star RB written all over him in New Orleans.

 

[Go deep]

Recent Trades in my league. I'm Team ATrade 1:Team A Gave: Henne, Chad MIA QB;Starks, James GBP RB;Marshall, Brandon MIA WR;Ochocinco, Chad CIN WR;Packers, Green Bay GBP Def; Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.10;Year 2011 Draft Pick 3.10;Year 2011 Draft Pick 4.10;Year 2011 Draft Pick 5.10Team B Gave: Sanchez, Mark NYJ QB;Boss, Kevin NYG TE;Chargers, San Diego SDC Def; Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.04;Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.08;Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.09Trade 2:Team A Gave: Gore, Frank SFO RB;Avery, Donnie STL WRTeam C Gave: Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR; Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.02Trade 3:Team A Gave: Manning, Peyton IND QBTeam D Gave: McCoy, LeSean PHI RB; Year 2011 Draft Pick 3.11Trade 4:Team E Gave: Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.06Team F Gave: Armstrong, Anthony WAS WR;Evans, Lee BUF WR;Owens, Terrell CIN WR;Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WR

I got an offer i couldnt refuse and ended up with Aaron Rodgers on a team i already had Peyton on. I tried trading Manning, but nobody seems to want him. Point being is i wish i could get Mccoy for him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Again a case where people feel obliged to "go younger" just because it's a dynasty league. Sometimes you need to go for the win.

But you dont win with past stats. i think Mathews with have better numbers than Jackson this season, and Nicks/AJ should be close.

Well in that case it makes sense. I don't think that Mathews will outperform Jackson and AJ is still superior to Nicks. But I can see why someone would think otherwise.I'm more questioning why someone would think it was a slam dunk to get Mathews and Nicks.

 

[Scarpaggio]

I got an offer i couldnt refuse and ended up with Aaron Rodgers on a team i already had Peyton on. I tried trading Manning, but nobody seems to want him. Point being is i wish i could get Mccoy for him.

IMO this owner couldn't afford to give up McCoy but he did anyway. He got second last year and should be a playoff team but his QBs going into this season were McNabb, V. Young, Campbell. I'm doing a rebuild and now I need to get my hands on a QB. Sanchez isn't the guy I want to build around but I liked him as a backup more than Henne and I'm related to Henne.

 

[doowain]

12 Team PPR Gave:Ford, Jacoby OAK WRYear 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD MachineYear 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD MachineGot:Austin, Miles DAL WR*Those 1sts should be late.

Nice job.... Veterans for young guys. I think you gave a little too much for Austin.

I was thinking the opposite - that's outright theft for Miles. Ford may develop into a solid receiver, but late firsts are a crapshoot and he gets use of Miles for years before those picks are even useful.

Who's to say they will be late firsts? I've seen good teams finish in the bottom 5 for a top 5 pick.

Of course anything can happen, but that's why I said "should be late 1sts".I'll be running out:Rodgers/CJ3/Mathews/Nicks/Bowe/SRice/Austin/VDevery week. And I still have the 1.02 to burn. I feel comfortable in saying it should be a playoff team. If not, I really have no idea what I'm doing.

 

[TenTimes]

12 Team PPR

Made two deals yesterday in same league

Gave:

Jackson, Steven STL RB

Johnson, Andre HOU WR

Got:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR

- AND -

Gave:

Ford, Jacoby OAK WR

Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Got:

Austin, Miles DAL WR

*Those 1sts should be late.

I bet you broke the accept button on that one.

Why so eager to downgrade at both RB and WR, and get nothing in return?

I'm guessing you're not a dynasty player.

I'm guessing you're used to owning rebuilders, not contenders

 

[todisco1]

12 Team PPR

Made two deals yesterday in same league

Gave:

Jackson, Steven STL RB

Johnson, Andre HOU WR

Got:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR

- AND -

Gave:

Ford, Jacoby OAK WR

Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Got:

Austin, Miles DAL WR

*Those 1sts should be late.

I bet you broke the accept button on that one.

Why so eager to downgrade at both RB and WR, and get nothing in return?

I'm guessing you're not a dynasty player.

I'm guessing you're used to owning rebuilders, not contenders

I would take Matthews/Nicks over AJ/SJ. I think there's a reasonable chance both Matthews/Nicks outscore AJ/SJ this season, and the age difference is a nice benefit.

 

[TenTimes]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.

Their consensus rankings are:

Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)

Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6)

Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15).

Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

 

[doowain]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.Their consensus rankings are:Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6) Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15). Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

They also have Peyton Hillis and Ryan Williams above Mathews.....so I take those rankings with a grain of salt.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

You're not.

They also have Peyton Hillis and Ryan Williams above Mathews.....so I take those rankings with a grain of salt.

Hillis should be ahead of Mathews. Williams...probably not.

 

[mcintyre1]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.Their consensus rankings are:Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6) Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15). Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

They also have Peyton Hillis and Ryan Williams above Mathews.....so I take those rankings with a grain of salt.

Agreed. Honestly, I'm not a fan of any of the "official" FBG's dynasty rankings. I'm very happy for Chris that he got his job at Rotoworld, but I will miss the old Dynasty Rankings thread.

 

[doowain]

Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

You're not.

They also have Peyton Hillis and Ryan Williams above Mathews.....so I take those rankings with a grain of salt.

Hillis should be ahead of Mathews. Williams...probably not.

So, you'd trade Mathews for Hillis in a dynasty league? Really? I can't imagine anyone doing that.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So, you'd trade Mathews for Hillis in a dynasty league? Really? I can't imagine anyone doing that.

Depends on the scoring. I'm not a big fan of either, actually.

 

[adrenaline]

16 Team Dynasty IDP PPRGave:1.04Receivedarren McFadden & Louis Murphy

Same leagueGave:Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree & rookie pick 29Received:Adrian Peterson

 

[Go deep]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.Their consensus rankings are:Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6) Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15). Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

Pasquino loves the old guys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but i bet his rankings are skewing the average.The AJ/Nicks part is close. I own AJ in 3 of my 4 dynasty leagues, and have for some time. I reluctantly decided to field some offers for him this offseason, and went right to the Nicks owners in each league. I was denied in each one for striaght up trades. I decided to keep Andre at that point, but i would still prefer Nicks. I should point out i have good WR depth, so i could afford the extra risk Nicks has over Andre. I guess if i were a contender and didnt have much depth at WR i might hang onto AJ.As far as the Jackson/Mathews part, thats not really even close. You cant give away Jackson in dynastry leagues right now. Sure, he might have a good year or even two left in him, but his days of #1 RB numbers are over. I would much rather take my chances on a guy who could be a RB1 for the next 5+ years. Plus look at the Chargers RB numbers from last season compared to the Rams. Alot more to go around in Sandiego.

 

[Go deep]

16 Team Dynasty IDP PPRGave:1.04Receivedarren McFadden & Louis Murphy

Same leagueGave:Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree & rookie pick 29Received:Adrian Peterson

Wow, way to take advantage of a SF homer.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.

Their consensus rankings are:

Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)

Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6)

Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15).

Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

Pasquino loves the old guys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but i bet his rankings are skewing the average.

The AJ/Nicks part is close. I own AJ in 3 of my 4 dynasty leagues, and have for some time. I reluctantly decided to field some offers for him this offseason, and went right to the Nicks owners in each league. I was denied in each one for striaght up trades. I decided to keep Andre at that point, but i would still prefer Nicks. I should point out i have good WR depth, so i could afford the extra risk Nicks has over Andre. I guess if i were a contender and didnt have much depth at WR i might hang onto AJ.

As far as the Jackson/Mathews part, thats not really even close. You cant give away Jackson in dynastry leagues right now. Sure, he might have a good year or even two left in him, but his days of #1 RB numbers are over. I would much rather take my chances on a guy who could be a RB1 for the next 5+ years. Plus look at the Chargers RB numbers from last season compared to the Rams. Alot more to go around in Sandiego.

I'd take him if anyone is giving him away. Maybe in free leagues - but where money is at stake each year he still holds value. Sure in two years you may get stuck holding the bag, but he's still quite productive and plays in an up and coming offense. And, no, I do not own him in any of my three leagues, I just find the whole "you can't have any 'old' guys on your roster or you don't know what you're doing" rhetoric a little tired sometimes.

 

[Go deep]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.

Their consensus rankings are:

Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)

Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6)

Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15).

Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

Pasquino loves the old guys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but i bet his rankings are skewing the average.

The AJ/Nicks part is close. I own AJ in 3 of my 4 dynasty leagues, and have for some time. I reluctantly decided to field some offers for him this offseason, and went right to the Nicks owners in each league. I was denied in each one for striaght up trades. I decided to keep Andre at that point, but i would still prefer Nicks. I should point out i have good WR depth, so i could afford the extra risk Nicks has over Andre. I guess if i were a contender and didnt have much depth at WR i might hang onto AJ.

As far as the Jackson/Mathews part, thats not really even close. You cant give away Jackson in dynastry leagues right now. Sure, he might have a good year or even two left in him, but his days of #1 RB numbers are over. I would much rather take my chances on a guy who could be a RB1 for the next 5+ years. Plus look at the Chargers RB numbers from last season compared to the Rams. Alot more to go around in Sandiego.

I'd take him if anyone is giving him away. Maybe in free leagues - but where money is at stake each year he still holds value. Sure in two years you may get stuck holding the bag, but he's still quite productive and plays in an up and coming offense. And, no, I do not own him in any of my three leagues, I just find the whole "you can't have any 'old' guys on your roster or you don't know what you're doing" rhetoric a little tired sometimes.

Im not suggesting that, there are times to acquire, or have an older player(s) on your team, i just dont think is is optimal.

Why do you suppose you couldnt give him away in free leagues, but he has more value in money leagues? Not that i dont think its true, just wondering why you think that is?

 

[TenTimes]

I don't want to turn this into a discussion about SJax, but I'd suggest looking at the all-time carries list. I think they suggest, all things equal, that Jackson still has at least 2, maybe 3 years left, even more if he's to get to where Tomlinson is. And with an improving passing threat, his prospects are actually looking up, not down. Granted he plays on concrete and has the inury history...

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.

Their consensus rankings are:

Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)

Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6)

Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15).

Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

Pasquino loves the old guys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but i bet his rankings are skewing the average.

The AJ/Nicks part is close. I own AJ in 3 of my 4 dynasty leagues, and have for some time. I reluctantly decided to field some offers for him this offseason, and went right to the Nicks owners in each league. I was denied in each one for striaght up trades. I decided to keep Andre at that point, but i would still prefer Nicks. I should point out i have good WR depth, so i could afford the extra risk Nicks has over Andre. I guess if i were a contender and didnt have much depth at WR i might hang onto AJ.

As far as the Jackson/Mathews part, thats not really even close. You cant give away Jackson in dynastry leagues right now. Sure, he might have a good year or even two left in him, but his days of #1 RB numbers are over. I would much rather take my chances on a guy who could be a RB1 for the next 5+ years. Plus look at the Chargers RB numbers from last season compared to the Rams. Alot more to go around in Sandiego.

I'd take him if anyone is giving him away. Maybe in free leagues - but where money is at stake each year he still holds value. Sure in two years you may get stuck holding the bag, but he's still quite productive and plays in an up and coming offense. And, no, I do not own him in any of my three leagues, I just find the whole "you can't have any 'old' guys on your roster or you don't know what you're doing" rhetoric a little tired sometimes.

Im not suggesting that, there are times to acquire, or have an older player(s) on your team, i just dont think is is optimal.

Why do you suppose you couldnt give him away in free leagues, but he has more value in money leagues? Not that i dont think its true, just wondering why you think that is?

In a free league people may be more concerned with having a "pretty" roster than winning. In a money league there's more incentive to actually win. I don't mean this as a slam against free leagues - because personally I know I would be every bit as competitive with no money on the line - but I do think it could have an overall influence on strategies for soem teams. It's easier to take a chance or re-build when you're not forking over $300 to do so.I also know you weren't exactly saying what I put in quotes but I see that viewpoint displayed frequently at this site. In fact some one even threw out a "you must not play in dynasty leagues" to some one who dared favor the "Jackson/AJ" side of the deal. Matthews is a guy I liked entering the league, but he hasn't eaxctly proven much. If I really wanted Andre Johnson I may be willing to sacrifice the age gap to make that deal. As constructed I wouldn't do it since I value Nicks close to AJ anyway - but I don't think it was outlandish.

 

[doowain]

I don't want to turn this into a discussion about SJax, but I'd suggest looking at the all-time carries list. I think they suggest, all things equal, that Jackson still has at least 2, maybe 3 years left, even more if he's to get to where Tomlinson is. And with an improving passing threat, his prospects are actually looking up, not down. Granted he plays on concrete and has the inury history...

Actually, might want to rethink that. LT hit his decline after 2007. At that point he had 2365 career carries. SJax is currently at 1878. And I'd look at LT as a best case scenario as he was never dinged up like Jackson always seems to be. So, in your comparison, SJax is looking at 487 carries before his decline. And considering his previous back issues, it may come sooner.

 

[TenTimes]

I'd say Tomlinson looked pretty capable, physically, last year. Perhaps his decline in 2007 was not the product of wearing down, but something else. That, or he started taking steroids last offseason?

 

[Go deep]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.

Their consensus rankings are:

Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)

Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6)

Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15).

Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

Pasquino loves the old guys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but i bet his rankings are skewing the average.

The AJ/Nicks part is close. I own AJ in 3 of my 4 dynasty leagues, and have for some time. I reluctantly decided to field some offers for him this offseason, and went right to the Nicks owners in each league. I was denied in each one for striaght up trades. I decided to keep Andre at that point, but i would still prefer Nicks. I should point out i have good WR depth, so i could afford the extra risk Nicks has over Andre. I guess if i were a contender and didnt have much depth at WR i might hang onto AJ.

As far as the Jackson/Mathews part, thats not really even close. You cant give away Jackson in dynastry leagues right now. Sure, he might have a good year or even two left in him, but his days of #1 RB numbers are over. I would much rather take my chances on a guy who could be a RB1 for the next 5+ years. Plus look at the Chargers RB numbers from last season compared to the Rams. Alot more to go around in Sandiego.

I'd take him if anyone is giving him away. Maybe in free leagues - but where money is at stake each year he still holds value. Sure in two years you may get stuck holding the bag, but he's still quite productive and plays in an up and coming offense. And, no, I do not own him in any of my three leagues, I just find the whole "you can't have any 'old' guys on your roster or you don't know what you're doing" rhetoric a little tired sometimes.

Im not suggesting that, there are times to acquire, or have an older player(s) on your team, i just dont think is is optimal.

Why do you suppose you couldnt give him away in free leagues, but he has more value in money leagues? Not that i dont think its true, just wondering why you think that is?

In a free league people may be more concerned with having a "pretty" roster than winning. In a money league there's more incentive to actually win. I don't mean this as a slam against free leagues - because personally I know I would be every bit as competitive with no money on the line - but I do think it could have an overall influence on strategies for soem teams. It's easier to take a chance or re-build when you're not forking over $300 to do so.I also know you weren't exactly saying what I put in quotes but I see that viewpoint displayed frequently at this site. In fact some one even threw out a "you must not play in dynasty leagues" to some one who dared favor the "Jackson/AJ" side of the deal. Matthews is a guy I liked entering the league, but he hasn't eaxctly proven much. If I really wanted Andre Johnson I may be willing to sacrifice the age gap to make that deal. As constructed I wouldn't do it since I value Nicks close to AJ anyway - but I don't think it was outlandish.

Im not arguing with with, or even saying you are wrong, but wouldnt Steve Jackson have a "prettier" name? If im building a roster of "prettty" names i would have guys like Tomlinson, Wayne, Jackson, Tony Gonzalez, etc. What i think the difference in money league and free leagues is if teams dont win right away they drop out. It becomes too much about the money and not enough about the league. This has been my experience and the reason i only do free dynasty leagues. I understand that is not always the case, and i am sure there are plenty of good money dynasty leagues. But if you are truly playing because you are diehard football/fanatsy football/dynasty guy, $100 is going to matter much. I dont even want to know how money i could havemade/ make in the time i spend on my free dynasty leagues.

Again, different strokes for different folks, im not saying one is better than the other. Just why i think guys like Jackson would be worth more in a pay dynasty league. I also think in terms of the real NFL, Mathews would be worth more than Jackson for the same reeason.

 

[Gamma1210]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.

Their consensus rankings are:

Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)

Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6)

Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15).

Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

Pasquino loves the old guys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but i bet his rankings are skewing the average.

The AJ/Nicks part is close. I own AJ in 3 of my 4 dynasty leagues, and have for some time. I reluctantly decided to field some offers for him this offseason, and went right to the Nicks owners in each league. I was denied in each one for striaght up trades. I decided to keep Andre at that point, but i would still prefer Nicks. I should point out i have good WR depth, so i could afford the extra risk Nicks has over Andre. I guess if i were a contender and didnt have much depth at WR i might hang onto AJ.

As far as the Jackson/Mathews part, thats not really even close. You cant give away Jackson in dynastry leagues right now. Sure, he might have a good year or even two left in him, but his days of #1 RB numbers are over. I would much rather take my chances on a guy who could be a RB1 for the next 5+ years. Plus look at the Chargers RB numbers from last season compared to the Rams. Alot more to go around in Sandiego.

I'd take him if anyone is giving him away. Maybe in free leagues - but where money is at stake each year he still holds value. Sure in two years you may get stuck holding the bag, but he's still quite productive and plays in an up and coming offense. And, no, I do not own him in any of my three leagues, I just find the whole "you can't have any 'old' guys on your roster or you don't know what you're doing" rhetoric a little tired sometimes.

Im not suggesting that, there are times to acquire, or have an older player(s) on your team, i just dont think is is optimal.

Why do you suppose you couldnt give him away in free leagues, but he has more value in money leagues? Not that i dont think its true, just wondering why you think that is?

In a free league people may be more concerned with having a "pretty" roster than winning. In a money league there's more incentive to actually win. I don't mean this as a slam against free leagues - because personally I know I would be every bit as competitive with no money on the line - but I do think it could have an overall influence on strategies for soem teams. It's easier to take a chance or re-build when you're not forking over $300 to do so.I also know you weren't exactly saying what I put in quotes but I see that viewpoint displayed frequently at this site. In fact some one even threw out a "you must not play in dynasty leagues" to some one who dared favor the "Jackson/AJ" side of the deal. Matthews is a guy I liked entering the league, but he hasn't eaxctly proven much. If I really wanted Andre Johnson I may be willing to sacrifice the age gap to make that deal. As constructed I wouldn't do it since I value Nicks close to AJ anyway - but I don't think it was outlandish.

Im not arguing with with, or even saying you are wrong, but wouldnt Steve Jackson have a "prettier" name? If im building a roster of "prettty" names i would have guys like Tomlinson, Wayne, Jackson, Tony Gonzalez, etc. What i think the difference in money league and free leagues is if teams dont win right away they drop out. It becomes too much about the money and not enough about the league. This has been my experience and the reason i only do free dynasty leagues. I understand that is not always the case, and i am sure there are plenty of good money dynasty leagues. But if you are truly playing because you are diehard football/fanatsy football/dynasty guy, $100 is going to matter much. I dont even want to know how money i could havemade/ make in the time i spend on my free dynasty leagues.

Again, different strokes for different folks, im not saying one is better than the other. Just why i think guys like Jackson would be worth more in a pay dynasty league. I also think in terms of the real NFL, Mathews would be worth more than Jackson for the same reeason.

Just went down in a Zealots League:

A Gave:

Tebow

Forte

2.04

B Gave:

Flacco

SJax

3000ZBucks

 

[bigern1000]

12 team PPRGave Mike Williams (TB)Got Mike Wallace

Teach me how to do this

Maybe it's a matter of personal preference, but in a PPR, they're probably a little closer than one might think.

 

[Go deep]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.

Their consensus rankings are:

Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)

Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6)

Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15).

Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

Pasquino loves the old guys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but i bet his rankings are skewing the average.

The AJ/Nicks part is close. I own AJ in 3 of my 4 dynasty leagues, and have for some time. I reluctantly decided to field some offers for him this offseason, and went right to the Nicks owners in each league. I was denied in each one for striaght up trades. I decided to keep Andre at that point, but i would still prefer Nicks. I should point out i have good WR depth, so i could afford the extra risk Nicks has over Andre. I guess if i were a contender and didnt have much depth at WR i might hang onto AJ.

As far as the Jackson/Mathews part, thats not really even close. You cant give away Jackson in dynastry leagues right now. Sure, he might have a good year or even two left in him, but his days of #1 RB numbers are over. I would much rather take my chances on a guy who could be a RB1 for the next 5+ years. Plus look at the Chargers RB numbers from last season compared to the Rams. Alot more to go around in Sandiego.

I'd take him if anyone is giving him away. Maybe in free leagues - but where money is at stake each year he still holds value. Sure in two years you may get stuck holding the bag, but he's still quite productive and plays in an up and coming offense. And, no, I do not own him in any of my three leagues, I just find the whole "you can't have any 'old' guys on your roster or you don't know what you're doing" rhetoric a little tired sometimes.

Im not suggesting that, there are times to acquire, or have an older player(s) on your team, i just dont think is is optimal.

Why do you suppose you couldnt give him away in free leagues, but he has more value in money leagues? Not that i dont think its true, just wondering why you think that is?

In a free league people may be more concerned with having a "pretty" roster than winning. In a money league there's more incentive to actually win. I don't mean this as a slam against free leagues - because personally I know I would be every bit as competitive with no money on the line - but I do think it could have an overall influence on strategies for soem teams. It's easier to take a chance or re-build when you're not forking over $300 to do so.I also know you weren't exactly saying what I put in quotes but I see that viewpoint displayed frequently at this site. In fact some one even threw out a "you must not play in dynasty leagues" to some one who dared favor the "Jackson/AJ" side of the deal. Matthews is a guy I liked entering the league, but he hasn't eaxctly proven much. If I really wanted Andre Johnson I may be willing to sacrifice the age gap to make that deal. As constructed I wouldn't do it since I value Nicks close to AJ anyway - but I don't think it was outlandish.

Im not arguing with with, or even saying you are wrong, but wouldnt Steve Jackson have a "prettier" name? If im building a roster of "prettty" names i would have guys like Tomlinson, Wayne, Jackson, Tony Gonzalez, etc. What i think the difference in money league and free leagues is if teams dont win right away they drop out. It becomes too much about the money and not enough about the league. This has been my experience and the reason i only do free dynasty leagues. I understand that is not always the case, and i am sure there are plenty of good money dynasty leagues. But if you are truly playing because you are diehard football/fanatsy football/dynasty guy, $100 is going to matter much. I dont even want to know how money i could havemade/ make in the time i spend on my free dynasty leagues.

Again, different strokes for different folks, im not saying one is better than the other. Just why i think guys like Jackson would be worth more in a pay dynasty league. I also think in terms of the real NFL, Mathews would be worth more than Jackson for the same reeason.

Just went down in a Zealots League:

A Gave:

Tebow

Forte

2.04

B Gave:

Flacco

SJax

3000ZBucks

Saw it in the Zealots forum, and already commented on it.

 

[Go deep]

12 team PPRGave Mike Williams (TB)Got Mike Wallace

Teach me how to do this

Maybe it's a matter of personal preference, but in a PPR, they're probably a little closer than one might think.

Agreed, i would prefer Wallace in non-ppr, but it would be pretty close in PPR.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

12 Team PPR

Made two deals yesterday in same league

Gave:

Jackson, Steven STL RB

Johnson, Andre HOU WR

Got:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR

- AND -

Gave:

Ford, Jacoby OAK WR

Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Got:

Austin, Miles DAL WR

*Those 1sts should be late.

I bet you broke the accept button on that one.

Why so eager to downgrade at both RB and WR, and get nothing in return?

I'm guessing you're not a dynasty player.

I'm guessing you're used to owning rebuilders, not contenders

I think most on this board would say that's not the case. I'll compare dynasty championships with you if you want.

 

[Inspiration]

12 Team PPR

Made two deals yesterday in same league

Gave:

Jackson, Steven STL RB

Johnson, Andre HOU WR

Got:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR

- AND -

Gave:

Ford, Jacoby OAK WR

Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Got:

Austin, Miles DAL WR

*Those 1sts should be late.

I bet you broke the accept button on that one.

Why so eager to downgrade at both RB and WR, and get nothing in return?

I'm guessing you're not a dynasty player.

I'm guessing you're used to owning rebuilders, not contenders

I think most on this board would say that's not the case. I'll compare dynasty championships with you if you want.

 

[OrangeCurtain]

This got lost earlier but 'm curious about the value here

Gave up

Brady

2012 2nd

2012 3rd

Got

McCoy

3.11

2012 1st

2012 2nd (both 2012's likely high)

 

[mcintyre1]

This got lost earlier but 'm curious about the value hereGave upBrady2012 2nd2012 3rdGotMcCoy3.112012 1st2012 2nd (both 2012's likely high)

Which McCoy?

 

[OrangeCurtain]

Colt

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.

Their consensus rankings are:

Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)

Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6)

Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15).

Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

Pasquino loves the old guys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but i bet his rankings are skewing the average.

The AJ/Nicks part is close. I own AJ in 3 of my 4 dynasty leagues, and have for some time. I reluctantly decided to field some offers for him this offseason, and went right to the Nicks owners in each league. I was denied in each one for striaght up trades. I decided to keep Andre at that point, but i would still prefer Nicks. I should point out i have good WR depth, so i could afford the extra risk Nicks has over Andre. I guess if i were a contender and didnt have much depth at WR i might hang onto AJ.

As far as the Jackson/Mathews part, thats not really even close. You cant give away Jackson in dynastry leagues right now. Sure, he might have a good year or even two left in him, but his days of #1 RB numbers are over. I would much rather take my chances on a guy who could be a RB1 for the next 5+ years. Plus look at the Chargers RB numbers from last season compared to the Rams. Alot more to go around in Sandiego.

I'd take him if anyone is giving him away. Maybe in free leagues - but where money is at stake each year he still holds value. Sure in two years you may get stuck holding the bag, but he's still quite productive and plays in an up and coming offense. And, no, I do not own him in any of my three leagues, I just find the whole "you can't have any 'old' guys on your roster or you don't know what you're doing" rhetoric a little tired sometimes.

Im not suggesting that, there are times to acquire, or have an older player(s) on your team, i just dont think is is optimal.

Why do you suppose you couldnt give him away in free leagues, but he has more value in money leagues? Not that i dont think its true, just wondering why you think that is?

In a free league people may be more concerned with having a "pretty" roster than winning. In a money league there's more incentive to actually win. I don't mean this as a slam against free leagues - because personally I know I would be every bit as competitive with no money on the line - but I do think it could have an overall influence on strategies for soem teams. It's easier to take a chance or re-build when you're not forking over $300 to do so.I also know you weren't exactly saying what I put in quotes but I see that viewpoint displayed frequently at this site. In fact some one even threw out a "you must not play in dynasty leagues" to some one who dared favor the "Jackson/AJ" side of the deal. Matthews is a guy I liked entering the league, but he hasn't eaxctly proven much. If I really wanted Andre Johnson I may be willing to sacrifice the age gap to make that deal. As constructed I wouldn't do it since I value Nicks close to AJ anyway - but I don't think it was outlandish.

Im not arguing with with, or even saying you are wrong, but wouldnt Steve Jackson have a "prettier" name?

No. I meant "pretty" in dynasty terms which equals "young with upside". People playing in free dynasty leagues would by defnition be serious dynasty players, because if they weren't why would they bother? At the same time I could see them more interested in creating a true dynasty and take the risks that come with that (i.e. total rebuilds, trading production for upside) because like I said those things are easier to do when you're not shelling out $100-$300 to do so.I don't want to create the impression that I'm bagging on free leagues, because like I said overall they are probably more serious players on some level - just that it's easier to kick away productive aging vets in those leagues.

 

[doowain]

There are free dynasty leagues? What's the point?

That's like playing poker with play money. I don't get it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

There are free dynasty leagues? What's the point?That's like playing poker with play money. I don't get it.

Some people do stuff just for the fun of it.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I just find the whole "you can't have any 'old' guys on your roster or you don't know what you're doing" rhetoric a little tired sometimes.

lots of teams aquiring all this young talent, never win or get their money back. The point is to win moneyI trade away my picks almost every year and try to make a run right now. Just my style

 

[doowain]

There are free dynasty leagues? What's the point?That's like playing poker with play money. I don't get it.

Some people do stuff just for the fun of it.

That's why I play FF. But I play the money leagues because that makes my time put into it worthwhile.I couldn't imagine putting the time I do into a free league. As with play money poker tables, I would imagine the level of competition and investment is much, much lower. I don't buy the above poster's assessment that serious FFers play free leagues. I don't think you'll see Doyle Brunson at the play money tables.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

This got lost earlier but 'm curious about the value hereGave upBrady2012 2nd2012 3rdGotMcCoy3.112012 1st2012 2nd (both 2012's likely high)

Those 2012 picks had better be real high, or else you got killed on this trade.

 

[We Tigers]

This got lost earlier but 'm curious about the value hereGave upBrady2012 2nd2012 3rdGotMcCoy3.112012 1st2012 2nd (both 2012's likely high)

Those 2012 picks had better be real high, or else you got killed on this trade.

I thought this was a very nice trade, and then I realized the McCoy in question wasn't Lesean. Brady for a bottom-10 QB and an unknown first...yikes.

 

[Jersey35]

This got lost earlier but 'm curious about the value hereGave upBrady2012 2nd2012 3rdGotMcCoy3.112012 1st2012 2nd (both 2012's likely high)

Those 2012 picks had better be real high, or else you got killed on this trade.

I thought this was a very nice trade, and then I realized the McCoy in question wasn't Lesean. Brady for a bottom-10 QB and an unknown first...yikes.

On top of it, the guy just got Brady, so his chances of having an improved season just went up - and conversely, the chances for those picks to be high just went down.I understand what you were trying to do here, but I don't like this trade for you one bit. Better to sit Brady on your bench than practically give his production to someone else.

 

[OrangeCurtain]

The first and secon will likely be high(expansion teams from 10-12) and i have Ryan as starter already so i only need mccoy for one week. I like it because it gives me high amd low 1st picks next year, and two high 2nds, in addition to 1.01 and 1.03 this year.

Starters other than ryan are mjd, mendy, bradshaw, austin and steve johnson. Those picks help me build for future and all i gave up is a 34 year old brady.

We'll see what happens, hopefully brady doesnt tear it up.

 

[OrangeCurtain]

This got lost earlier but 'm curious about the value hereGave upBrady2012 2nd2012 3rdGotMcCoy3.112012 1st2012 2nd (both 2012's likely high)

Those 2012 picks had better be real high, or else you got killed on this trade.

I thought this was a very nice trade, and then I realized the McCoy in question wasn't Lesean. Brady for a bottom-10 QB and an unknown first...yikes.

On top of it, the guy just got Brady, so his chances of having an improved season just went up - and conversely, the chances for those picks to be high just went down.I understand what you were trying to do here, but I don't like this trade for you one bit. Better to sit Brady on your bench than practically give his production to someone else.

The improved season is a valid point, but one that i took into consideration. I have enough questions about his team that im ok gambling on his picks this year.But im learning this as i go so i appreciate the feedback. I did wonder if i was starting to place too much emphasis on picks, but hopefully the class next year is deep due to guys staying in this year due to lockout.

 

[Dez]

12 Team PPR

Made two deals yesterday in same league

Gave:

Jackson, Steven STL RB

Johnson, Andre HOU WR

Got:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR

- AND -

Gave:

Ford, Jacoby OAK WR

Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Got:

Austin, Miles DAL WR

*Those 1sts should be late.

I bet you broke the accept button on that one.

Why so eager to downgrade at both RB and WR, and get nothing in return?

You're joking, right? How did doowain downgrade at both positions?

Easy. Andre Johnson > Hakeem Nicks

Steven Jackson > Ryan Matthews

am I really the only one who feels this way?

I would take Nicks and Matthews and I am not a Matthews fan at all but this is called dynasty and you have to take age into consideration.Here you can get younger with the possibly of not even giving up any points in the exhange.

Nicks and Matthews could easily outscore AJ and Jackson this year.

In 2 years from now you won't be able to get anything for S-Jackson and AJ will be a harder sell 2 years from now.

Nicks is a beast and by some accounts the #1 dynasty WR right now.

S-Jackson is on the decline he gets banged up a lot and is not getting any younger.

The team picking up Nicks and Matthews will still be able to compete for a title this year and be stronger 2-3 years from now for the next 5 years.