jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Remember that it's a salary cap league. So sometimes owners will trade away a great player for a lesser player to save cap space.
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2011 offseason dynasty trades (1 Viewer)
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
PPR league
Team A gives Jahvid Best
Team B gives 1.03
Team A gives Jahvid Best
Team B gives 1.03
r0llin_game
Footballguy
12 Team PPR, QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, K, RB/WR/TE Flex
Team A Gave: '12 1st (Probably top 3, only major pieces are Bradford, Ingram)
Team B Gave: James Starks, Malcolm Floyd
Team A Gave: '12 1st (Probably top 3, only major pieces are Bradford, Ingram)
Team B Gave: James Starks, Malcolm Floyd
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Some explanation on the following trades....Team B gave up Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.05'thriftyrocker said:
Team C gave up Williams, Mike TBB WR
and
Team B gave up Gonzalez, Tony ATL TE; Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.09
Team D gave up Graham, Jimmy NOS TE; Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.03
The league scoring may help
1 PPR, 1QB, 2-3RB, 3-4WR, 1TE, 1PK, 1DEF
.5 pts per 10yds on punt/kick returns
I can understand if these trades were not popular but these were trades done during the draft. In the first one, Team C (me)was the Beanie Wells owner, did not have a 1st round pick and Ryan Williams was available at 1.5. I accepted the offer, took Williams and my RB's then looked like,
Jahvid Best, BJGE, Fred Jackson, Beanie Wells and Ryan Williams. I then got Bilal Powell at 3.3. BTW, I took over this team 2 yrs ago as a project and my best RB was Laurence Maroney (BJGE was on the team but only got 14 pts that year). I drafted Beanie that year, Best the next year, traded for Jackson, then traded my 2011 1st to take Tampa Mike at 1.5.
The 2nd trade, we can only start 1 TE and I also had Dallas Clark. Jacoby Ford was available at 1.9 so I got Ford and Gonzo for Graham and my 2.3. So now my WR's are Ford, Steve Smith CAR, Jerome Simpson, Pierre Garcon, Jordy Nelson, Eric Decker, Emmanuel Sanders and Randy Moss (Smith and Moss are the only 2 originals). I have Dallas Clark and Gonzo and got rid of a bye week conflict. Maybe I'm not as high on Tampa Mike and Graham as some people. Gonzo was the #6 TE last year and has made noises lately like he may want to play a couple more yrs, plus his situation is arguably better this year. I've got another pick coming up and there are several sleeper WR's I think can help me.
So basically I got Jacoby Ford, Tony Gonzolez and Ryan Williams for Mike Williams, Jimmy Graham (who may still be a project from latest reports) and the 2.3. I've got the Arizona RB sewn up and Ford to ease losing Mike Williams. In that light you still may not like it but it probably doesn't seem quite as bad either.
Does the former Graham owner know about the internet? It is like a series of tubes. Don't understand that trade at all.
yes, thank you...I do
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Dez
Footballguy
The Jimmy Graham for T-Gonzalez deal could be one of the worst I have ever seen. This is dynasty right ? This better be a 42 team league to make those draft picks worth the swap.
Really ? That's awful reasoning to deal off Graham.I offered my 1.02 in my league for Mike Williams and got turned down saying it was not even close to enough.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Zealots league
zzzzzzzzz will give
McCoy, Colt CLE QB
Rodgers, Jacquizz ATL RB
Dunlap, Carlos CIN DE
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from zzzzzzzzzzzz
To xxxxxxxx for
Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from xxxx
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from yyyyy
xxxxxx is left with Blount, CJ4.24, Charles, Quizz, handcuffs at RB.
zzzzzzzzz will give
McCoy, Colt CLE QB
Rodgers, Jacquizz ATL RB
Dunlap, Carlos CIN DE
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from zzzzzzzzzzzz
To xxxxxxxx for
Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from xxxx
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from yyyyy
xxxxxx is left with Blount, CJ4.24, Charles, Quizz, handcuffs at RB.
eakfootball
Footballguy
I completely agree with Dez on both those. I own Williams in both of my main leagues, and it would have taken Ryan Williams + a guy like Greg Little and probably an early 2nd round pick. That was just a bad trade, and Mike is worth twice as much as Ryan.
On the Graham trade, Dez summed it up already.
On the Graham trade, Dez summed it up already.
eakfootball
Footballguy
The only thing crazier than the trade is the team names.
Tony Reali
Footballguy
you sure you didn't mean to put this in "worst trade offers" thread?
Dragon1952
Footballguy
It wasn't Graham for Gonzalez. The whole purpose of the trade was to get Jacoby Ford at 1.9. Graham was the means to an end. You obviously didn't even read my post. Personally in a start 1 TE league that awards pts for punt/KO yds I'd rather have Jacoby Ford than Jimmy Graham.
Dez
Footballguy
I have never played in return yards league for pts so I will give you that but maybe Ford drops to 2.3 ? He did fall to 1.9 right ? Even if he didn't Graham is considered 1 of the top 6-7 TE's already in his 2nd year and take his age into consideration you may have a top 5 TE for the next 10 years. Also the NFL now kicks off from the 35 yard line how many kick off returns will he even get this year ?
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Well, considering all of the maybe's, may's and might's I guess you've got to go with your gut. I'm convinced Ford wouldn't have lasted through 6 more picks, in fact I'm surprised he didn't go sooner. As for Graham I can see him being a very good red zone target but I just don't see him getting top 5 - 7 TE type targets/receptions. He'd just be my backup TE anyway behind Clark. As for Williams, last year weeks 9-17 Ford was 3rd only behind Greg Jennings and Dwayne Bowe in pts and ppg in our format. Mike Williams, in contrast , was WR29 during that same time frame. Do I feel bad losing Mike Williams from my WR corp and replacing him with Ford? Not really to tell you the truth! They're talking about getting him even more involved in the offense this year! So I've gained Ryan Williams to go with Beanie to lock up the Arizona backfield, replaced Williams with Ford, and replaced my TE2 with Gonzo vs Graham. So I don't have the latest hip designer name tags.....who cares? My team is better overall
EDIT: Oh yeah, and BTW....the guy who felt Mike Williams was worth so much more than Ryan Williams?...I just checked out FBG's consensus dynasty rankings (over past 35 days) which have Ryan Williams ranked at 34 overall and Mike Williams at 52 overall. And Sigmund Bloom, who I probably respect the most on this site, has Ryan at 26 and Mike at 55. So I guess I'm not the only idiot here.
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doubletrouble
Footballguy
Team A Gives : M. Lynch, Maclin and 1.7
for
Team B Gives : MJD
for
Team B Gives : MJD
That looks to me like great value to get for Cutler. In my league (non-ppr, otherwise similar, start 3 WRs, smaller rosters) Cutler just went (together with L.Murphy, who is borderline rosterable with the small rosters) for Sims-Walker.
eakfootball
Footballguy
dragon1952, I didn't realize it was Mike Williams SEA. Then it is a good deal for you. If it was Mike Williams TB, yes it would be an awful deal. And the fact that you had Beanie Wells shouldn't have any impact on wanting Williams. I would rather have two backs from different teams.
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Dragon1952
Footballguy
No...you were correct, it was Tampa Mike Williams. That is how FBG has them ranked. I was a little surprised too. Now Waldman does have Mike ranked higher at 36 overall vs 52 for Ryan (still not a huge difference when we are talking 'overall'), and the consensus rankings appear to be severely skewed by Tefertiller's bizarre rankings of the two, but even if you take them out Mike and Ryan still rank right together at 43 and 44 overall dynasty, respectively. Everyone has a different opinion (and rankings) but I just don't see this as an awful deal, and those rankings seem to back me up.EDIT: Tefertiller must have been ranking the wrong Mike Williams as he doesn't even have him ranked in the top 105 overall.'eakfootball said:
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
10 team 2-3 rb 3-4 wr
Vereen
for
Bilal Powell
Jason Hill
Vereen
for
Bilal Powell
Jason Hill
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
10 team, 1/2 ppt for WRs/TEs only
Need for need:
Gave B Marshall
Received Ryan Williams
Pre Roster cut down moves to avoid outright drops:
Gave Cam Newton, Leonard Hankerson
Received Denarius Moore and a 2012 4th rounder
I had 7 rookies I liked, can only keep 5.
Need for need:
Gave B Marshall
Received Ryan Williams
Pre Roster cut down moves to avoid outright drops:
Gave Cam Newton, Leonard Hankerson
Received Denarius Moore and a 2012 4th rounder
I had 7 rookies I liked, can only keep 5.
Dez
Footballguy
12 team PPR (the team trading Robiskie just traded 2 2nds to get him a few days ago so this is like him trading 4 2nd round picks as part of this deal)
Puerto Rico gave up:
Tolbert, Mike SDC RB
Olsen, Greg CAR TE
Orlando gave up:
Sproles, Darren NOS RB
Robiskie, Brian CLE WR
Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.05
Year 2011 Draft Pick 3.03
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from Memphis
Puerto Rico gave up:
Tolbert, Mike SDC RB
Olsen, Greg CAR TE
Orlando gave up:
Sproles, Darren NOS RB
Robiskie, Brian CLE WR
Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.05
Year 2011 Draft Pick 3.03
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from Memphis
Dez
Footballguy
Insane
Dez
Footballguy
This is dynasty...Clark is 104 years old. How long you think that guy is going to last ?
eakfootball
Footballguy
I think Graham and Clark are fairly close in dynasty value.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Well he's signed through 2013 so that's 3 more years, at which point he would be 35 and a fee agent going into 2014. That's the same age Gonzo is now and he's still playing. Seriously, I'm not going to worry much about 4 yrs from now at TE in a start 1 league with a 22 man roster limit....lol
Tony Reali
Footballguy
I made 2 trades this offseason in my 12 team 5 keeper PPR league.
- Traded Moreno (who I wasn't going to keep) and my 1.11 pick for the 1.6 pick
- Traded Greg Jennings (who I couldn't keep, no one would trade for an upgrade, and was going to go #1 overall) for the 3.6 pick (best value I could get)
- Traded Moreno (who I wasn't going to keep) and my 1.11 pick for the 1.6 pick
- Traded Greg Jennings (who I couldn't keep, no one would trade for an upgrade, and was going to go #1 overall) for the 3.6 pick (best value I could get)
gianmarco
Footballguy
FWIW, that's not rebuilding for Team B. It's terrible is what it is. I wouldn't give either player alone for those 4 pieces, let alone both of them.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Ryan Williams pre-acl.....or post acl?
FUBAR
Footballguy
Post. Pretty sure it wouldn't have been accepted pre. Sure it's a risk but my team isn't winning anything this year.
I wish it was just an ACL. Whiz says its probably the dreaded tendon rupture. Not that you really gave up that much anyway. So weird to see Leshoure and Williams go down with the same injury so close.
eakfootball
Footballguy
Its not an achillies it's a Patella
Dez
Footballguy
Seems ? This is why friends should not let friends make trades while drunkThis team happened in my 12 team PPRAll tds 6 pts1 qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 1d/st, 1kTeam A gave J. Shipley and Isaac RedmanTeam B gave Jonathan StewartTeam B was Mendenhall owner....still seems he sold low.
Dez
Footballguy
12 team PPR - I gave up pick 6 this year because once Williams went out the drop from 5 to 6 seemed huge. Got a pick projected to be top 4 in 2013.
Charlotte gave up:
Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.06
Year 2013 Round 3 Draft Pick from Charlotte
Cleveland gave up:
Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Cleveland
Charlotte gave up:
Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.06
Year 2013 Round 3 Draft Pick from Charlotte
Cleveland gave up:
Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Cleveland
eakfootball
Footballguy
3 Team trade, who did best?
Team A gave: Jerome Simpson, Greg Salas, Joe McKnight, 2012 4th
Team A got: Mario Mannigham
Team B gave: Tim Hightower
Team B got: Greg Salas, Joe McKnight, 2 2012 4ths
Team C gave: Mario Manningham, 2012 4th
Team C got: Tim Hightower, Jerome Simpson
Team A gave: Jerome Simpson, Greg Salas, Joe McKnight, 2012 4th
Team A got: Mario Mannigham
Team B gave: Tim Hightower
Team B got: Greg Salas, Joe McKnight, 2 2012 4ths
Team C gave: Mario Manningham, 2012 4th
Team C got: Tim Hightower, Jerome Simpson
gianmarco
Footballguy
Team A easily.
FUBAR
Footballguy
I'm all for acquiring future 1sts but I've seen too many teams improve drastically over the course of 2 years to give up Greg Little (or whoever the 6 was)
J Rod
Footballguy
PPR 14 Team League
Dharma Bums gave up:
QB Kevin Kolb (ARI)
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Dharma Bums (Should be mid to late pick)
Lupin Bandits gave up:
QB Donovan McNabb (MIN)
WR Santana Moss (WAS)
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Lupin Bandits (Could be a early to mid pick)
Year 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick from Lupin Bandits
Dharma Bums gave up:
QB Kevin Kolb (ARI)
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Dharma Bums (Should be mid to late pick)
Lupin Bandits gave up:
QB Donovan McNabb (MIN)
WR Santana Moss (WAS)
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Lupin Bandits (Could be a early to mid pick)
Year 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick from Lupin Bandits
I haven't laughed this hard in awhile. Thanks.
Dez
Footballguy
Current roster in 12 team league where we start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE and 2 FlexHe finished 12th place last year has picks 1-2 in draft (I already gave him Ingram and Green who he is taking)He already traded his 1st round pick in 2012 away so he won't be getting help for a bottom 2 finish this year.I am pretty confident he will be a top 4 pick in 2013 compared to the other teams in this league but you never know.Bradford (StL)Schaub (Hou)Beck (Wash)Whitehurst (Sea)Leinart (Hou)Ingram (NO)Wells (Arz)Bush (Oak)Snelling (Atl)Williams (Wash)Steph-Howling (Arz)Green (Cin)Benn (TB)Decker (Den)Hartline (Mia)Armstrong (Wash)Alexander (StL)Jones (Buf)Berrian (Minn)T-Williams (Dal)Tucker (KC)Watson (Cle)Shiancoe (Minn)
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Dez
Footballguy
The clear cut top 5 will be gone I aquired pick 6 so I would make sure I got either Ryan Williams or D-Thomas because Little was going at pick 4 but that is now out the window.After D-Thomas going at 5 I would be reaching for anyone I took at 6. Coming into this year there was a clear top 7 now that is down to top 5 after the injuries to LeShoure and Williams.
destro
Footballguy
Sure, it's not a good team, but it is not nearly bad enough for you to assume he will be in the bottom third two years from now. You're being overly optimistic here.I'm not saying it was necessarily a bad trade given the circumstances, but you are really employing a great deal of wishful thinking on your projection.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Wouldnt be a huge surprise if Bradford were a top 4 QB, Ingram a top 5 RB, Wells a solid RB2, Green a decent WR1, and Benn a solid 2 in 2012. Without knowing the rest of your league, I'd guess he's middle of the pack next year.
