FallenHero32
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2012 In Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter r0llin_game
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Price to get Luck I'm sure.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
re: CJ + 1st for Luck + 2nd
Yeah, this is too much for a rookie QB, unless we are talking about a very QB-friendly league.
If it is a QB-friendly league, that info needs to be put in the trade post. Context is very important when talking about atypical scoring systems and such. Heck, a trade can be evaluated differently in a 10 team vs a 16 team league.
Yeah, this is too much for a rookie QB, unless we are talking about a very QB-friendly league.
If it is a QB-friendly league, that info needs to be put in the trade post. Context is very important when talking about atypical scoring systems and such. Heck, a trade can be evaluated differently in a 10 team vs a 16 team league.
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FallenHero32
Footballguy
I'm Team A. Wanted honest opinions. My thought process is that I am stocked at RB, have Trent Richardson and am looking to be very good long term. I'd rather dump Chris Johnson now when he still has plenty value and while this guy is still willing to trade luck away since he was needing RB's. I am personally happy with it. I know I overpaid for an unproven, but highly praised rookie, but I love making big trades.
Take out the first and it seems ok
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Couple of quick points:If you truly believe in a player such as Wilson, why not go after him before preseason when his value is low? I know nobody expected his value to go up like it has, but it is dynasty 101 to buy before the breakout.If RBs decline at 26 (they do not), then why is a 30+ year old keeping Spiller on the bench all year? I don't have any issue with trading Spiller, I think he is likely in a RBBC for this year and probably next, but 26 is the exact WRONG age to trade a RB... that is smack dab in the middle of their prime.'lbouchard said:
1). We just recently finished out startup auction (it started during the preseason). I wanted Russ, but I was capped out. So I traded for him after.2). ProFootballFocus actually ran a study looking at RB stats. I can't find their Draft Guide right now, but IIRC, RBs points usually started to go down after age 26 (or maybe it was 27). The 30 year old is probably keeping Spiller on the bench because he's a better running back. Spiller still isn't a good between the tackle runner. Only reason I even had him was because I got him for like 4% of cap with intent to flip. I'm not a believer.
10 team, 1/2/3/1, yardage-heavy scoring
Team A gives:
Demaryius Thomas, Early Doucet, 2013 3rd, 2014 3rd
Team B gives:
Ben Tate, Kendall Hunter, 2013 2nd, 2014 1st
For what it's worth, I own both A and B's 2013 1sts. I expect B's to be a top-3, and A's to be in the 4-7 range. That out of the way, I don't like this trade for either team. Both squads are really schizophrenic right now. B has spent the last 3 years hoarding WRs (Calvin, Green, Wallace, Britt, Demaryius, Blackmon, Titus Young) while the rest of his team went to hell. He had Ryan Mathews, but his next 4 RBs were McGahee, Rashad Jennings, Toby Gerhart, and Moreno, and his starting QB was Flacco. So what has he done? Traded Mathews away for Stafford, and then traded all that WR depth he spent so much to acquire for... Lottery tickets? He's shipped off Britt, Demaryius, and Blackmon, and all he has to show for it is Pettigrew (when he already had Vernon Davis), Tate, Hunter, and a 2014 1st. He could have landed at least one starting RB, but instead he's gambling on backups and handcuffs. He's constantly waffling between rebuild and win now, and doing a poor job at both.
As for Team B, he knows he's rebuilding, but wants to see his team in action this year before he really gives up on the season. So, instead, he keeps tweaking around the edges. His core now is Foster, Gore, Bay Bay, Steve Johnson, and Kenny Britt, with nothing behind them. And he has no 2013 first, no 2013 second, and now no 2014 first. And he traded away both of his handcuffs.
These teams illustrate, in my mind, why a consistent vision and plan of action is so important in dynasty. The initial trade really isn't unfair, but somehow both teams managed to do a trade that makes them both worse. Have a plan, and stick to it. Identify when you want to make your run, and then make your trades with an eye on that season.
Team A gives:
Demaryius Thomas, Early Doucet, 2013 3rd, 2014 3rd
Team B gives:
Ben Tate, Kendall Hunter, 2013 2nd, 2014 1st
For what it's worth, I own both A and B's 2013 1sts. I expect B's to be a top-3, and A's to be in the 4-7 range. That out of the way, I don't like this trade for either team. Both squads are really schizophrenic right now. B has spent the last 3 years hoarding WRs (Calvin, Green, Wallace, Britt, Demaryius, Blackmon, Titus Young) while the rest of his team went to hell. He had Ryan Mathews, but his next 4 RBs were McGahee, Rashad Jennings, Toby Gerhart, and Moreno, and his starting QB was Flacco. So what has he done? Traded Mathews away for Stafford, and then traded all that WR depth he spent so much to acquire for... Lottery tickets? He's shipped off Britt, Demaryius, and Blackmon, and all he has to show for it is Pettigrew (when he already had Vernon Davis), Tate, Hunter, and a 2014 1st. He could have landed at least one starting RB, but instead he's gambling on backups and handcuffs. He's constantly waffling between rebuild and win now, and doing a poor job at both.
As for Team B, he knows he's rebuilding, but wants to see his team in action this year before he really gives up on the season. So, instead, he keeps tweaking around the edges. His core now is Foster, Gore, Bay Bay, Steve Johnson, and Kenny Britt, with nothing behind them. And he has no 2013 first, no 2013 second, and now no 2014 first. And he traded away both of his handcuffs.
These teams illustrate, in my mind, why a consistent vision and plan of action is so important in dynasty. The initial trade really isn't unfair, but somehow both teams managed to do a trade that makes them both worse. Have a plan, and stick to it. Identify when you want to make your run, and then make your trades with an eye on that season.
Tau837
Footballguy
10 team, non PPR, Super flex league (i.e., can start 2 QBs) with 6 point passing TDs
Team A gave Trent Richardson
Team B gave Michael Vick
Team B won the championship last season. Team A arguably has the worst team in the league but only had the 3rd pick this year, where he took Richardson.
Team B is taking a risk, as his second best QB is now Dalton, and he has Foles, so he had Vick handcuffed. But he still made a great move IMO swapping out the injury prone Vick for a stud rookie RB. Team B is also from Ohio and is a big Browns fan.
No idea what Team A is thinking doing this. He definitely had the worst QBs in the league, but Vick is not a great asset for a rebuilding team IMO.
Team A gave Trent Richardson
Team B gave Michael Vick
Team B won the championship last season. Team A arguably has the worst team in the league but only had the 3rd pick this year, where he took Richardson.
Team B is taking a risk, as his second best QB is now Dalton, and he has Foles, so he had Vick handcuffed. But he still made a great move IMO swapping out the injury prone Vick for a stud rookie RB. Team B is also from Ohio and is a big Browns fan.
No idea what Team A is thinking doing this. He definitely had the worst QBs in the league, but Vick is not a great asset for a rebuilding team IMO.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
You are absolutely correct but the only time a young and potential stud #1 WR in a dynasty league with our roster structure where we require two starting Recievers and can also use a WR as a FLEX start would ever come onto the market would be at the very begining of his career BEFORE he plays a down.It is a gamble on my part but a calculated gamble.
One point I did not mention was that this is a new owner and he took over this team before the commissioner made the selection of Justin Blackmon for this team so the owner had zero vested interest in him and my gamble was based on offering lots of players with far less long-term upside.
Also I just have a strong gut feeling that Blackmon will turn into a long-term #1 WR stud and that he will be a capable third wide-out in his rookie season with potential to turn into a solid #2 WR by the end of his rookie year.
You make an excellent point but considering the circumstances of the longer shelf life of young and potential stud WRs in a dynasty league and this is the only shot to land one I felt the gamble was worth it especially considering the price I paid is buffered by my particular team's depth.
Great feedback though.
mikel2014
Footballguy
Yes it is dynasty. To add some context here, I'm team B. RBs: Arian Foster, Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, Fred Jackson, and Rashad Jennings
WRs: Brandon Lloyd, Mike Wallace, Sidney Rice, Greg Little, and Laurent Robinson
Giving up Kevin Smith and Denarius Moore to provide a WR2 I could count on was my motivation.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
12 Team PPR, start: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, FL
Team Five traded
Rodgers, Jacquizz RB ATL
Floyd, Malcom WR SD
Jackson, DeSean WR PHI
to Team Twelve for
Cruz, Victor WR NYG
Martin, Keshawn WR HOU
Team Five traded
Rodgers, Jacquizz RB ATL
Floyd, Malcom WR SD
Jackson, DeSean WR PHI
to Team Twelve for
Cruz, Victor WR NYG
Martin, Keshawn WR HOU
bengalbuck
Footballguy
That's a great trade almost regardless of the makeup of your team in my opinion. Moore has talent, but the Oakland WR situation looks like it could be a long-term guessing game with different guys having occasional big games, but not a ton of consistency. Smith is so injury prone and likely won't have much value past this year, if he can even hold onto the value that long. Very good trade with Wallace's value at a bit of a low point. He's still a talented guy who at worst should still be a WR2.
I think the price of Smith to upgrade from Moore to Wallace was pretty cheap.
bengalbuck
Footballguy
Interesting trade. I guess I can see both sides. If you have standard scoring and you're giving QBs 6 pts. for passing TDs and you can flex them...then it is a very QB-centric league with top QBs being worth a ton. I think in general, top QB for top RB, I'd take the QB. I mean, I'd strongly consider guys like Stafford and Brees over the top RBs.However, there's a real question as to whether Vick should be considered even a top 10 dynasty QB at this point (especially in 6 pt. passing TD leagues). He seems very hesitant to run this year. And that was where his value came from. If he is going to be primarily a pocket passer, then he's nothing special. And he probably doesn't have much time left. I think you have to go with the Richardson side here.
cstu
Footballguy
How many years does Vick even have left? Terrible.
Dawg Pound 69
Footballguy
Terrible trade in dynasty, for a one-week rental. Moore is worth much more than a mediocre QB.
I liked team B even before week 1
Wow team A should be arrested for robbery.
paytonsdaman
Footballguy
All in PPR leagues.
Here are some trades I've seen in the past week:
Gerhart, Toby MIN RB
for
Ballard, Vick IND RB
LaFell, Brandon CAR WR
Johnson, Chris TEN RB
Finley, Jermichael GBP TE
for
Welker, Wes NEP WR
Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE
This week:
Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
for
Richardson, Trent CLE RB
Olsen, Greg CAR TE
Witten, Jason DAL TE
2013 2nd
2013 4th
for
Fasano, Anthony MIA TE
2013 1st
2013 3rd
Here are some trades I've seen in the past week:
Gerhart, Toby MIN RB
for
Ballard, Vick IND RB
LaFell, Brandon CAR WR
Johnson, Chris TEN RB
Finley, Jermichael GBP TE
for
Welker, Wes NEP WR
Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE
This week:
Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
for
Richardson, Trent CLE RB
Olsen, Greg CAR TE
Witten, Jason DAL TE
2013 2nd
2013 4th
for
Fasano, Anthony MIA TE
2013 1st
2013 3rd
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Buck Stop
Footballguy
This one was NOT easy to do. In fact I'd say I assumed the most risk, but just made the following trade in a 12 team PPR dynasty league
I gave:
McCoy
Greg Jennings
D. Moore
I got:
Spiller
Julio Jones
Royster
Leaves me with this roster:
Brees, Locker
Spiller, Stewart, Brown, J.Rodgers, Hunter, Royster, Scott
Julio, Nicks, Fitz, Garcon, Randy Moss, Sanders, Hawkins, Salas, Hilton
Olsen, H. Miller
Akers
Packers
I gave:
McCoy
Greg Jennings
D. Moore
I got:
Spiller
Julio Jones
Royster
Leaves me with this roster:
Brees, Locker
Spiller, Stewart, Brown, J.Rodgers, Hunter, Royster, Scott
Julio, Nicks, Fitz, Garcon, Randy Moss, Sanders, Hawkins, Salas, Hilton
Olsen, H. Miller
Akers
Packers
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r0llin_game
Footballguy
12 Team PPR, QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, K, RB/WR/TE flex
Team A give: Eric Decker
Team B gives: Rueben Randle, '13 1st (should be anywhere from 1.04-1.08)
Team A give: Eric Decker
Team B gives: Rueben Randle, '13 1st (should be anywhere from 1.04-1.08)
sbonomo
Footballguy
That is a lot to pay for richardson....he looks the part but the browns are terrible. This will take multiple years to payoff.
EBF
Footballguy
14 team dynasty PPR. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 FLEX, 1 TE.75/1/1.25 ppr
Gave up AJ Green for Marshawn Lynch and Dwayne Bowe.
Not crazy about giving up a young player that everyone loves, but depth is important in this format and I'm basically getting two proven starters for the price of one. Figured it would be easier to replace Green's future production than to find another immediate starter at RB.
Gave up AJ Green for Marshawn Lynch and Dwayne Bowe.
Not crazy about giving up a young player that everyone loves, but depth is important in this format and I'm basically getting two proven starters for the price of one. Figured it would be easier to replace Green's future production than to find another immediate starter at RB.
MU Seminole
Footballguy
12 Team dynasty PPR. 1 pt every 10 pass, rush or receiving yards. 5 pt bonuses at 300 pass or 100 rush/rec yards. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE.
Michael Vick
for
2013 Rd 2 and Mike Goodson
Michael Vick
for
2013 Rd 2 and Mike Goodson
NDyse10
Footballguy
Team A Gives:
Dwayne Bowe
Team B Gives:
Kevin Smith
FWIW, I am Team A. My 2nd best RB is Ryan Williams in a 2RB 3 WR with 1 flex league. I have super deep wideouts while he has deep RBs and he had the option of Blackmon or Bowe. He went Bowe (clearly).
Edit to add: I have Leshoure.
Dwayne Bowe
Team B Gives:
Kevin Smith
FWIW, I am Team A. My 2nd best RB is Ryan Williams in a 2RB 3 WR with 1 flex league. I have super deep wideouts while he has deep RBs and he had the option of Blackmon or Bowe. He went Bowe (clearly).
Edit to add: I have Leshoure.
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cstu
Footballguy
You're going to regret this.Team A Giveswayne BoweTeam B Gives:Kevin SmithFWIW, I am Team A. My 2nd best RB is Ryan Williams in a 2RB 3 WR with 1 flex league. I have super deep wideouts while he has deep RBs and he had the option of Blackmon or Bowe. He went Bowe (clearly).Edit to add: I have Leshoure.
My first reaction when i saw this was that i would much rather have the AJ Green side. I'd still rather have AJ Green but can't blame you as there are so many starting positions and you got 2 very solid starters who both are relatively young for their positions.Also AJ Green isn't really the type of WR who gets his stats off tons of receptions, so he isn't a WR who is going to have 90-100 receptions a season which is big in a PPR league.
BoomGoesTheDynamite
Footballguy
Before the season I made this trade in a PPR dynasty. It is a ton to give up but my team is pretty stacked with young WRs and I wanted a long term replacement for Romo at QB. I feel much better about it after week 1 obviously.
Gave
Reggie Bush
Jake Locker
Justin Blackmon
Received
RGIII
I am also negotiating a deal to give up Julio Jones for LeSean McCoy. Normally I wouldn't trade Julio in dynasty but McCoy is tempting. Plus I still have a stacked WR squad (Calvin, AJ Green, Dez).
Gave
Reggie Bush
Jake Locker
Justin Blackmon
Received
RGIII
I am also negotiating a deal to give up Julio Jones for LeSean McCoy. Normally I wouldn't trade Julio in dynasty but McCoy is tempting. Plus I still have a stacked WR squad (Calvin, AJ Green, Dez).
That is a lot to give up for RG3
Tau837
Footballguy
I don't think so. I would give that up for RGIII without a second thought. And don't forget the two empty roster spots have value.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
I like the Mathews side
That is all very nice, but this is the "In Season" trade thread and trades made before the season don't really belong here.
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BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Gave:
Maclin
SGreene
Got:
TRich
Maclin
SGreene
Got:
TRich
Dez
Footballguy
Amazing I traded away 2 1st, 2 2nd, 2 3rd back in the summer for Chris Johnson and one of those 1st was where Luck was picked.Now Luck is going for CJ + 1st when I had dealt basically Luck + 1st and more for CJ 4 months ago.CJ looks bad so I can see it people want to get out from under him. I don't feel real good about my deal knowing I could have got a stud QB and gave up more.In my non PPR league a couple days ago this deal went downLos Angeles gave up:Johnson, Chris TEN RBWallace, Mike PIT WRYear 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Los AngelesYear 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Los AngelesMontana gave up:Murray, DeMarco DAL RBJackson, DeSean PHI WR
Dez
Footballguy
Price on T-Rich has gone down huge no way you get this trade in May, June or July.
You can say that now, but before the season? Basically it was pick 1.03 for pick 1.06 (averaged) + Locker (who is worth a 1st round rookie pick, probably a mid one) and Reggie Bush who is worth a late first round rookie pick. So yes it was a ton for RG3, I am glad it worked out for him though.
I like that trade for T-Rich. I still think he will be a top 10 back or better for the next 4 or 5 years.
Not sure how the IDP scoring is but it looks like California won that deal by a lot
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Hated to deal Maclin, but like you said getting that potential top 10 back for a WR and really a RB 3-4..I wont complain to roll out Stafford, Mathews, TRich, Nicks, Nelson, and AHernandez for a long time
Lot's of people don't like Lynch and I'm not here to argue that but I would argue this often repeated reason makes no sense to me. What in his history suggests he's going to get paid and quit playing hard?That contract set him up for life and since he was arrested driving a Ford Econoline van I'm going to assume he's pretty smart with his money. Still that contract amounts to a 2 year deal at $17 million. That's really good money of course but is it really enough to quit making an effort especially doing a job he probably enjoys? Entering the 2014 season he'll be 28 years old and carrying a contract worth $5-5.5 million that is not guaranteed. I'd argue he's got plenty of reasons to stay motivated and productive if he wants to see more than $17 million from Seattle.Also one other point I'd make. If money was Lynch's main motivation it would have better suited him to get suspended for his DWI this season and not let it carry over to a possible suspension next season. This year his per game check amounts to $250,000 per game and this amount jumps to $437,500 per game next year. So a two game suspension next season would cost him $375,000 more than a two game suspension this season as an example.
cstu
Footballguy
He's getting $17M whether he sucks or not. Could he play hard for the next two years in order to ensure making $5.5M in 2014, possibly, but there's not a whole lot of motivation there for a guy who is now set for life. He probably the most over-rated RB in the NFL, IMO, and "beast mode" is a joke.
