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2012 In Season Dynasty Trade Thread (1 Viewer)

'renesauz said:
TEAM ONE gave up Turner, Michael ATL RB;Heyward-Bey, Darrius OAK WR;Smith, Steve CAR WR; Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick (likely mid-late)TEAM TWO gave up Jackson, Steven STL RB;Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR
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in this league... 14 team graded PPR, start 2RB/3WR/TE and can flex any of those positions. Also, there are 14 Devy players already rostered, so the 1st round pick is greatly devalued. Having typed all that, the Fitz side won big. Turner is substandard. DHB will have QB and OFF scheme issues. Smurf has one, maybe two years left. The 1st round pick will be OK. Fitz still has 3-4 years WR1, and SJax may have 1-2 years of being startable. If Team One was rebuilding, why go after an old WR and RB? The move would be understandable if they were in a "win now" mode, but not after this trade.
 
'Donsmith753 said:
16 team .5 PPR.Start 1/2/3/1 and a flex, I'm neither team hereCraigentinny Chargers gave up:Colston, Marques NOS WRFinley, Jermichael GBP TEYear 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Kaunas BuckeyesCorstorphine Steelers gave up:Wallace, Mike PIT WRMyers, Brandon OAK TE14 pick should be late, probably 12-16.
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Same teams just did this.Corstorphine Steelers will giveColston, Marques NOS WRYear 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Kaunas BuckeyesTo Craigentinny Chargers forJennings, Greg GBP WR
 
12 team PPR

Memphis gave up:

Gore, Frank SFO RB

Las Vegas gave up:

Gordon, Josh CLE WR

Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Puerto Rico

 
14 Team - No PPR

Gave:

Sanchez

Got:

RHillman

Sanchez was my 3rd QB behind Stafford and Cutler and he had 2 QBs with same bye ... nope Hillman becomes the starter next year

 
12 team ppr-

team a got: Fred Jackson, LeGarrette Blount

team b got: Jonathan Dwyer, Jacquizz Rodgers

12 team ppr-

team a got: 2013 2nd

team b got: Daryl Richardson

 
'King of the Jungle said:
'Chazzhawk said:
'madmike22c said:
12 team ppr-team a got: Fred Jackson, LeGarrette Blountteam b got: Jonathan Dwyer, Jacquizz Rodgers12 team ppr-team a got: 2013 2ndteam b got: Daryl Richardson
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Team A got killed in both of those deals.
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Killed?....a little too harsh IMO.
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Jackson will probably be a back up/handcuff for the rest of his career (maybe 2 more years), Blount might sign with another team next year and get a chance to be a starter again.I like Dwyer and think he will be the starter in Pittsburgh next year, maybe Rodgers develops into a cheap man Sproles who knows remember Spiller looked horrible his first year and 10 games too.If we redid the 2012 rookie draft right now Richardson is a late first round pick, and this was one of the deeper drafts. Next years draft doesn't look as deep (that could change) and he only got a second round pick and maybe a late one, he didn't say. So I think killed maybe harsh for the first trade but not too far off, but it is an understatement for the second trade.
 
'Chazzhawk said:
maybe Rodgers develops into a cheap man Sproles who knows remember Spiller looked horrible his first year and 10 games too.
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There is really no comparison between Spiller and Quiz. Spiller has elite speed and typical size, Quiz is small and slow, and even as agile as he is, he'll need to develop elite vision to make a big impact. Spiller was a top-10 pick who has been understandably "stuck" behind a great RB in Fred Jackson. Quiz was a 5th rounder who has been unable to pass the corpse of Michael Turner, who is now so slow and so lacking in explosion that he might as well be running backwards through the hole. Spiller has proven that he can score from anywhere on the field, that he can produce with limited touches, and that he can carry the load admirably when given the chance. Quiz has done exactly nothing in the NFL. In summary: Spiller vs. Quiz is not a fair comparison by any stretch of the imagination. Pedigree, play-making ability, and an entirely reasonable excuse for the delay in his "coming out party" vs. well...uh...Quiz has a cool name and lots of wishful-thinking hype from fantasy football owners. Oh, and all off-season his coach talked up a role for him in the offense that to this point doesn't seem to actually exist.
 
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'ConnSKINS26 said:
There is really no comparison between Spiller and Quiz. Spiller has elite speed and starter's size, Quiz is small and slow, and even as agile as he is, he'll need to develop elite vision to make a big impact. Spiller was a top-10 pick who has been understandably "stuck" behind a great RB in Fred Jackson. Quiz was a 5th rounder who has been unable to pass the corpse of Michael Turner, who is now so slow and so lacking in explosion that he might as well be running backwards through the hole. Spiller has proven that he can score from anywhere on the field, that he can produce with limited touches, and that he can carry the load admirably when given the chance. Quiz has done exactly nothing in the NFL.

In summary: Spiller vs. Quiz is not a fair comparison by any stretch of the imagination. Pedigree, play-making ability, and an entirely reasonable excuse for the delay in his "coming out party" vs. well...uh...Quiz has a cool name and lots of wishful-thinking hype from fantasy football owners. Oh, and all off-season his coach talked up a role for him in the offense that to this point doesn't seem to actually exist.
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I agree with your overall point, but not the bolded. Would you believe that they are actually the exact same weight? Spiller was 5'10.5" 196 at the combine. Rodgers was 5'5.7" 196. Rodgers is actually a lot more muscular when you look at them in terms of weight-per-height. Rodgers is not too small. He's huge for his height. Only a few pounds lighter than Ray Rice, who is over two inches taller. And Spiller is not a big back. He's on the small side for his height. Actually quite thin. I still agree that Spiller >> Quizz, but not for the exact same reasons. Quizz's problem isn't size. It's that he's just not very explosive. 4.59 speed and modest marks in the jumps. He just doesn't have a lot of pop in his legs. Spiller is a different story. Elite speed and and explosiveness. That's why he's able to make plays despite his size.

 
'EBF said:
'ConnSKINS26 said:
There is really no comparison between Spiller and Quiz. Spiller has elite speed and starter's size, Quiz is small and slow, and even as agile as he is, he'll need to develop elite vision to make a big impact. Spiller was a top-10 pick who has been understandably "stuck" behind a great RB in Fred Jackson. Quiz was a 5th rounder who has been unable to pass the corpse of Michael Turner, who is now so slow and so lacking in explosion that he might as well be running backwards through the hole. Spiller has proven that he can score from anywhere on the field, that he can produce with limited touches, and that he can carry the load admirably when given the chance. Quiz has done exactly nothing in the NFL.

In summary: Spiller vs. Quiz is not a fair comparison by any stretch of the imagination. Pedigree, play-making ability, and an entirely reasonable excuse for the delay in his "coming out party" vs. well...uh...Quiz has a cool name and lots of wishful-thinking hype from fantasy football owners. Oh, and all off-season his coach talked up a role for him in the offense that to this point doesn't seem to actually exist.
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I agree with your overall point, but not the bolded. Would you believe that they are actually the exact same weight? Spiller was 5'10.5" 196 at the combine. Rodgers was 5'5.7" 196. Rodgers is actually a lot more muscular when you look at them in terms of weight-per-height. Rodgers is not too small. He's huge for his height. Only a few pounds lighter than Ray Rice, who is over two inches taller. And Spiller is not a big back. He's on the small side for his height. Actually quite thin. I still agree that Spiller >> Quizz, but not for the exact same reasons. Quizz's problem isn't size. It's that he's just not very explosive. 4.59 speed and modest marks in the jumps. He just doesn't have a lot of pop in his legs. Spiller is a different story. Elite speed and and explosiveness. That's why he's able to make plays despite his size.
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Funny enough, I've never actually held Quiz's size against him, and in fact lately have begun to prefer the squat, blocky RB's with a low center of gravity. I was mostly illustrating how different they are. They are built on opposite ends of the RB scale. Quiz is thick, but he doesn't have those tree-trunk legs that MJD and Rice have. He's not as solid. I have no idea where all of that weight IS, but its not ideally where I'd like it to be, and as you say he just doesn't possess any special measurables, nor in my opinion the elite vision to make up for it. He's an average player that fell to the 5th, and is the polar opposite of Spiller in ability and build, which was really my point with the bolded and the rest. Didn't mean to imply that Spiller should be valued higher because of his taller, thinner build, or that Quiz should inherently be valued lower because of his shorter, thicker build. I guess rather than "starter's size" I should have said "typical size", because the effect of what I originally typed is different than what I intended. Good catch, I'm gonna edit that.
 
'Concept Coop said:
'BoomGoesTheDynamite said:
Thats actually part of the reason why I made the deal as well. My team was really deep so I had been sending out 2 for 1 and 3 for 1 offers in order to clear some room to pick up a couple free agents. I was also negotiating an Aaron Rodgers for Calvin Johnson deal but the other owner wanted too much on top of Calvin for it to work.
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RG3 will be a 1st round start up pick next season. You have to give up a lot for an asset so valuable. I like the deal and would have made it myself. It hurts giving up so much, but a year from now, you would have paid a lot more.
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The question is: is RGIII practically untradable this early in the season? I can't imagine what I'd ask for if someone even wanted me to consider losing this guy. I mean, yeah, the points are awesome. But I want to watch this guy play on my team for years.
 
12 team PPR, 4 WR/TE start

Team One gave up: Brady, Knowshon, Braylon Edwards, Baltimore D (has Griffin, Texans D)

Team Two gave up: Gore, Baldwin, Hankerson

 
12 teams. .5 PPR for WR and TE. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE

I gave: Dez Bryant, Coby Fleener, 2013 2nd round pick

I got: Stevan Ridley, Lance Kendricks

I had depth at WR and was left starting nothing at RB2 due to injuries to Bradshaw and FJax. I love Bryant's talent but I am not sure if he will ever fully realize his potential.

 
12 Team, 2 QB, Not involved

RG3, Rex Grossman, Fred Jackson

For

Schaub, TJ Yates, MJD, R. Jennings, Michael Bush

 
14 team PPR dynasty

Gave: Hakeem Nicks

Got: Demaryius Thomas

Not really sure why I offered this, as it's basically a wash and I'm probably taking the bigger risk. Both players have injury concerns, but lots of talent. I feel like Thomas might have a slightly higher ceiling.

 
'jdoggydogg said:
The question is: is RGIII practically untradable this early in the season? I can't imagine what I'd ask for if someone even wanted me to consider losing this guy. I mean, yeah, the points are awesome. But I want to watch this guy play on my team for years.
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Pretty much. One owner in my league was shopping Ryan Mathews before the season for a top QB. He made a huge offer for Luck, and when I asked why he hadn't made a similar offer for Griffin, he said he had a "bad feeling" about Griffin and was sure he was going to bust. He finally traded Mathews for Stafford. Two weeks into the season, he was desperately trying to trade his Stafford for my Griffin. It's unreal- after two weeks last year, there was still a fair amount of skepticism about Newton in dynasty leagues, but two weeks or Griffin have turned pre-draft haters into desperate fanboys.He's also taken Calvin Johnson from "absolutely untouchable" to "obtainable only with a package that includes Griffin and a bunch of other stuff". Still way more than I'm willing to pay, but remarkable because this is literally the first time in Calvin's entire career that he's been on the table.Again, Griffin's ascension has been so much more rapid even than Cam Newton's was. I don't recall anyone calling Newton a top-3 dynasty QB after just two weeks last year, despite Newton's first two games being more impressive.
'Steed said:
Maybe "wurked" was a bit harsh, but you should ave gotten him cheaper coming off that week2 performance.
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Should have, nothing. When you want a specific player, that player's owner has a complete monopoly, and you have no choice but to deal with him. There is no "you should have gotten him for less"- if that owner wasn't selling for less than a certain price, the two options are either paying that price, or not getting him.Now, if you're looking to trade away a specific player, the market is much larger, and there's more room to hold out for fair value (or as close as you can get), but when going after a player, what he costs is what he costs. Witness RGIII as an example- in many leagues, he's already commanding first round startup value. Your choices are either paying it or living without him. And if he winds up living up to expectations, any price you paid will seem trivial in hindsight. You gotta admire someone with the conviction in their evaluations and the stones to say "consensus value be damned, I think I'm right, so I'm just going to do it".
 
'SSOG said:
Pretty much. One owner in my league was shopping Ryan Mathews before the season for a top QB. He made a huge offer for Luck, and when I asked why he hadn't made a similar offer for Griffin, he said he had a "bad feeling" about Griffin and was sure he was going to bust. He finally traded Mathews for Stafford. Two weeks into the season, he was desperately trying to trade his Stafford for my Griffin. It's unreal- after two weeks last year, there was still a fair amount of skepticism about Newton in dynasty leagues, but two weeks or Griffin have turned pre-draft haters into desperate fanboys.He's also taken Calvin Johnson from "absolutely untouchable" to "obtainable only with a package that includes Griffin and a bunch of other stuff". Still way more than I'm willing to pay, but remarkable because this is literally the first time in Calvin's entire career that he's been on the table.Again, Griffin's ascension has been so much more rapid even than Cam Newton's was. I don't recall anyone calling Newton a top-3 dynasty QB after just two weeks last year, despite Newton's first two games being more impressive.
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I think his rapid ascension has to do with Newton though. If Newton hadn't already displayed that a rookie QB can tear it up, we'd probably be more reluctant to buy into the hype. As it stands now, both Griffin and Luck are in my top 4 dynasty QBs.
 
12 team ppr, start 2RB/2WR/TE and can flex any

Gave: Luck and Powell

Got RG3

this happend on Saturday, before Powell got a few more touches. Would still do the trade as I see RG3's upside a little bit higher (along with injury risk with 10+ rushing attempts last 2 games)

FtR, I took Luck at 1.04 and he took RG3 at 1.06. I could have saved the "vig" in Powell, but liked Luck more before training camp opened.

 
'SSOG said:
'jdoggydogg said:
The question is: is RGIII practically untradable this early in the season? I can't imagine what I'd ask for if someone even wanted me to consider losing this guy. I mean, yeah, the points are awesome. But I want to watch this guy play on my team for years.
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Pretty much. One owner in my league was shopping Ryan Mathews before the season for a top QB. He made a huge offer for Luck, and when I asked why he hadn't made a similar offer for Griffin, he said he had a "bad feeling" about Griffin and was sure he was going to bust. He finally traded Mathews for Stafford. Two weeks into the season, he was desperately trying to trade his Stafford for my Griffin. It's unreal- after two weeks last year, there was still a fair amount of skepticism about Newton in dynasty leagues, but two weeks or Griffin have turned pre-draft haters into desperate fanboys.He's also taken Calvin Johnson from "absolutely untouchable" to "obtainable only with a package that includes Griffin and a bunch of other stuff". Still way more than I'm willing to pay, but remarkable because this is literally the first time in Calvin's entire career that he's been on the table.Again, Griffin's ascension has been so much more rapid even than Cam Newton's was. I don't recall anyone calling Newton a top-3 dynasty QB after just two weeks last year, despite Newton's first two games being more impressive.
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I think Newton does get some of the credit for Griffin's ascension. When Cam had a couple of good games, it was easy to dismiss them because defenses hadn't seen much of Cam on an NFL field. But now that Cam is highly regarded in dynasty leagues, it's easier to imagine Griffin equaling or surpassing Cam.
 
'lbouchard said:
'SSOG said:
Pretty much. One owner in my league was shopping Ryan Mathews before the season for a top QB. He made a huge offer for Luck, and when I asked why he hadn't made a similar offer for Griffin, he said he had a "bad feeling" about Griffin and was sure he was going to bust. He finally traded Mathews for Stafford. Two weeks into the season, he was desperately trying to trade his Stafford for my Griffin. It's unreal- after two weeks last year, there was still a fair amount of skepticism about Newton in dynasty leagues, but two weeks or Griffin have turned pre-draft haters into desperate fanboys.

He's also taken Calvin Johnson from "absolutely untouchable" to "obtainable only with a package that includes Griffin and a bunch of other stuff". Still way more than I'm willing to pay, but remarkable because this is literally the first time in Calvin's entire career that he's been on the table.

Again, Griffin's ascension has been so much more rapid even than Cam Newton's was. I don't recall anyone calling Newton a top-3 dynasty QB after just two weeks last year, despite Newton's first two games being more impressive.
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I think his rapid ascension has to do with Newton though. If Newton hadn't already displayed that a rookie QB can tear it up, we'd probably be more reluctant to buy into the hype. As it stands now, both Griffin and Luck are in my top 4 dynasty QBs.
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We made similar points. Cam proved a rookie can climb into the top five dynasty QBs after roughly half a season.
 
'ConnSKINS26 said:
'Chazzhawk said:
maybe Rodgers develops into a cheap man Sproles who knows remember Spiller looked horrible his first year and 10 games too.
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There is really no comparison between Spiller and Quiz. Spiller has elite speed and typical size, Quiz is small and slow, and even as agile as he is, he'll need to develop elite vision to make a big impact. Spiller was a top-10 pick who has been understandably "stuck" behind a great RB in Fred Jackson. Quiz was a 5th rounder who has been unable to pass the corpse of Michael Turner, who is now so slow and so lacking in explosion that he might as well be running backwards through the hole. Spiller has proven that he can score from anywhere on the field, that he can produce with limited touches, and that he can carry the load admirably when given the chance. Quiz has done exactly nothing in the NFL. In summary: Spiller vs. Quiz is not a fair comparison by any stretch of the imagination. Pedigree, play-making ability, and an entirely reasonable excuse for the delay in his "coming out party" vs. well...uh...Quiz has a cool name and lots of wishful-thinking hype from fantasy football owners. Oh, and all off-season his coach talked up a role for him in the offense that to this point doesn't seem to actually exist.
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I wasn't comparing their size and speed. I was comparing how bad they sucked their rookie years, that is all.
 
'jdoggydogg said:
'SSOG said:
'jdoggydogg said:
The question is: is RGIII practically untradable this early in the season? I can't imagine what I'd ask for if someone even wanted me to consider losing this guy. I mean, yeah, the points are awesome. But I want to watch this guy play on my team for years.
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Pretty much. One owner in my league was shopping Ryan Mathews before the season for a top QB. He made a huge offer for Luck, and when I asked why he hadn't made a similar offer for Griffin, he said he had a "bad feeling" about Griffin and was sure he was going to bust. He finally traded Mathews for Stafford. Two weeks into the season, he was desperately trying to trade his Stafford for my Griffin. It's unreal- after two weeks last year, there was still a fair amount of skepticism about Newton in dynasty leagues, but two weeks or Griffin have turned pre-draft haters into desperate fanboys.He's also taken Calvin Johnson from "absolutely untouchable" to "obtainable only with a package that includes Griffin and a bunch of other stuff". Still way more than I'm willing to pay, but remarkable because this is literally the first time in Calvin's entire career that he's been on the table.Again, Griffin's ascension has been so much more rapid even than Cam Newton's was. I don't recall anyone calling Newton a top-3 dynasty QB after just two weeks last year, despite Newton's first two games being more impressive.
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I think Newton does get some of the credit for Griffin's ascension. When Cam had a couple of good games, it was easy to dismiss them because defenses hadn't seen much of Cam on an NFL field. But now that Cam is highly regarded in dynasty leagues, it's easier to imagine Griffin equaling or surpassing Cam.
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Newton gets some credit. In my mind, confirmation bias gets more credit. People went into last season thinking Newton was a joke who got ridiculously overdrafted. It took a lot of evidence to convince us otherwise. On the other hand, people came into this season thinking Griffin was one of the best prospects of the last 20 years. It therefore only takes a little evidence to convince us we were right. A similar thing happened with Sam Bradford, whose rookie season really wasn't as impressive as we all made it out to be inside our little echo chambers.
 
'Steed said:
'Chazzhawk said:
'Steed said:
'mikel2014 said:
I gave:Hakeem NicksMark IngramI received: Jamaal Charles
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You got wurked
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I agree.
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Maybe "wurked" was a bit harsh, but you should ave gotten him cheaper coming off that week2 performance.
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Kind of nice when on-field performance backs me up without any words necessary, but I think it might help others to see my reasoning further.First off, I'm definitely a believer in Charles' talent. He's my #5 dynasty RB (behind the big 3 + Trent). Second, my roster made perfect sense for this trade. Roster pre-trade: RBs: Marshawn Lynch, Jonathan Stewart, David Wilson, Mark Ingram, Jacquizz Rodgers, Jonathan DwyerWRs: Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Hakeem Nicks, Dez Bryant, Sidney Rice, Andrew Hawkins, Greg LittleClearly this team is WR heavy and RB needy. While I could have tried to squeeze him out of every bit of value, it's doubtful Dez would have gotten Charles. I've tried negotiating in the past with this owner and he's been high on Charles from the beginning.After this trade I feel much more confident in being able to compete this year for a title as I'll be starting 3-0.
 
I like Griffin well enough and I think he has a good chance to be a star player, but I've always felt that flashy running QBs had a tendency to become overhyped in dynasty FF. Vick and Young sure were. Cam was different for me because he had the passing stats in addition to his running. Griffin looks like he's headed for the same kind of season, but it hasn't happened yet. His yards per attempt and completion percentage have dropped in each game since his insane week one debut. I'll be keeping an eye on those stats as the season unfolds, and not looking so much at the FF points or the rushing plays.

 
'EBF said:
14 team PPR dynastyGave: Hakeem NicksGot: Demaryius ThomasNot really sure why I offered this, as it's basically a wash and I'm probably taking the bigger risk. Both players have injury concerns, but lots of talent. I feel like Thomas might have a slightly higher ceiling.
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Probably?Don't see the higher ceiling. Nicks has Eli for another 10+ years. Thomas may have a subpar Peyton for another 1-3 years, after that who knows?
 
10+ years? LOL. Eli is already 31. And it's not like the Broncos aren't going to field a QB after Peyton retires.

As for the upside comment, Demaryius is a more prodigious physical specimen. Bigger, stronger, and possibly faster than Nicks. I think he has the potential to be a dominant player. We've seen glimmers of it over the past 12 months.

 
'EBF said:
10+ years? LOL. Eli is already 31. And it's not like the Broncos aren't going to field a QB after Peyton retires. As for the upside comment, Demaryius is a more prodigious physical specimen. Bigger, stronger, and possibly faster than Nicks. I think he has the potential to be a dominant player. We've seen glimmers of it over the past 12 months.
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5+ years of Eli is still >> 1-2 years of subpar Peyton + crapshootETA: my point was that there is no 'probably' about it, you took the bigger risk.
 
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10 team idp dynasty. .5 ppr start 1qb2rb2wr1te flex 1 rb/wr/te... he owns turner i have foster

I gave quiz wells and pierre thomas and my 2013 first rd pick- hopefully late

For ben tate and percy harvin

My relevant lineup

cam

Foster

trich

spiller/alf

Ajgreen

nicks

harvin

jimmy graham

 
'bmsarvis said:
10 team idp dynasty. .5 ppr start 1qb2rb2wr1te flex 1 rb/wr/te... he owns turner i have fosterI gave quiz wells and pierre thomas and my 2013 first rd pick- hopefully lateFor ben tate and percy harvinMy relevant lineupcamFostertrichspiller/alf Ajgreennicksharvinjimmy graham
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I'd have sent all that for just Harvin as fast as I possible could. Is this really Harvin's value? I may have to go buy him wherever I can...
 
1 PPR

Gave: Redman, Floyd, Gresham and Fleener

Got: FJax, Sproles, Owen Daniels and Leron McClain

 
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