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Marty B >>>> Fasano too. Trade was awful all the way aroundBasically Wayne for Murray?I don't even like Murray that much but he's worth a lot more then Wayne.12 team PPR league (.5 RB, 1 WR, 1.5 TE), deep starting lineups/flex requirements:Team A gave:Reggie WayneAnthony FasanoTeam B gaveeMarco MurrayMartellus Bennett
Team A should be arrested for theft
.............. Really? That's theft? If I were a contender with a hole at QB, I'd give up Richardson, Randle, and a second all day long for Peyton. Never let a mediocre prospect stand between you and a championship.
2 prospects and likely another one is a steep price to rent a QBTo me, the way DRich has run, he almost should net Peyton by himself. Then I look at the way Randle made plays when given an opportunity and a 2nd was just icing on cake. If Armstrong is on a roster, Im assuming there isn't a lot on the wire to fill the gap in this deal'SSOG said:
Two MEDIOCRE prospects in return for one of the best QB's in the league? Hardly 'theft'
At 36, with neck surgery, he's not near the top of my list. While he may be good for this season, there is a reason he was getting moved for 2nd round picks in the offseason. While his #'s have looked good, the ball does not come out of his hand the same and he has been aided by 874 yards after catch which is 5th in league
I can see liking either side depending on the goal. By no means would I say either side is guilty of theft. There are plenty of other trades in this thread that are blatantly worth that comment IMO.
Agreed. This shows how all leagues are different. I attempted to get Cobb by offering Torrey Smith AND Jon Baldwin. It was declined...I thought I offered pretty good value but the owner did not see it the same way.Somebody gave up Cobb dirt cheap. Yikes!
There is a decent chance that Peyton Manning puts up more VBD than both of those players combined going forward. And VBD only matters when your window is open. Richardson and Randle both look like decent prospects, but no better than any of DOZENS of other prospects. That trade boils down to WR 50 + RB 40 for a shot at the title. Hell yes I do that all day long.
This is a good example of why it's difficult to judge trades involving QBs in other leagues. I absolutely agree with SSOG that you can't let a mediocre prospect stand between you and a championship....if this is the price for a QB1 in that league, I have no problem with it. That said....a low end QB1 can be bought in many leagues for less.
Low-end qb1? He's currently 4th (although some people behind him have had byes). Dodds has him ranked 7th in ppg going forward. He's no Drew Brees, but he's no Andy Dalton, either.
I LOVE Cobb but I wouldn't trade Torrey for him straight up.Agreed. This shows how all leagues are different. I attempted to get Cobb by offering Torrey Smith AND Jon Baldwin. It was declined...I thought I offered pretty good value but the owner did not see it the same way.Somebody gave up Cobb dirt cheap. Yikes!
Another week goes by....another reason I like Cobb more.I LOVE Cobb but I wouldn't trade Torrey for him straight up.Agreed. This shows how all leagues are different. I attempted to get Cobb by offering Torrey Smith AND Jon Baldwin. It was declined...I thought I offered pretty good value but the owner did not see it the same way.Somebody gave up Cobb dirt cheap. Yikes!
If I had Cobb and the roster space to take both those players I would have done that dealAgreed. This shows how all leagues are different. I attempted to get Cobb by offering Torrey Smith AND Jon Baldwin. It was declined...I thought I offered pretty good value but the owner did not see it the same way.Somebody gave up Cobb dirt cheap. Yikes!
I like Richardson A LOT but that is steep for him
First move is ok if you have the depth at receiver.I hate the second move, I really really hate it
Way too much for Richardson. Lynch is going to be good for a couple more years and Bryant is decent. Romo could be a top 10 fantasy quarterback for a couple more years.
Romo will be 33 next year and has been a QB2 this year - he's an easy guy to trade away if you have another QB. I would rather trade Lynch and Romo away for a better RB and keep Dez.
Late picks in 16 team leagues are worth much less (basically early 2nd's) so if the team is good it's easily worth it.
I am the team who gave up those guys for Peyton. As my other QBs are Romo and Ponder, the rest of my team is pretty well set. The one thing standing in the way of me making a legit run at the title was QB. I would make this trade again and 3 times on Tuesday. D-Rich and Randle were just bench fodder for me...Not even one second of regret
Obviously if he busts, the trade sucks, but the same is true on the other side of these deals. Marshawn Lynch is 27 with massive baggage. Romo has been spiraling downwards, Dez hasn't proven anything and carries his own baggage, Murray is an oft-injured enigma, and middle firsts in a weak draft are crapshoots. I like both of those deals for Richardson, because in my mind, he is by far the safest asset in either trade (and his talent and upside are both tops, too). Now, I wouldn't trade a Rice or McCoy or Calvin or Green for him, but packaging a 3rd-4th round startup guy with some risky, low-end assets (like weak firsts or old QBs) in order to get a potential gamechanger? Those are the kinds of trades that I'm always looking to make.
The Demarco/Amendola trade was theft. Pay that every day.
Murray is no more oft-injured than Richardson. He missed 4 games in college - to Richardson's 2 - despite hundreds more carries and 17 more games. His two pro injuries are not related, chronic, or due to running style - he was simply rolled up on, or landed, much like MJD this weekend - it happens. Lynch is as talented as Richardson, today, running the football. Richardson adds much more though the air, so I'll give you that. But we are still talking about an elite level talent in Lynch. They are middle firsts on paper, we don't know what they end up being, and middle firsts offer plenty of potential - CJ2k, Charles, McCoy, Rice, and so are were all middle 1sts. This draft is shaping up nicely and we can't accurately judge it yet - 2010 was supposed to be an awful draft, and this draft is much deeper. I am not saying they are bad trades, but they are top dollar, if not slightly over market value, and leave little room for error, in my opinion. I understand quality over quantity argument...unless that quantity still offers potential. (To go even further into a rant
I recall a deal on here that I suggested was very similar to this one, at the time: Lynch, Jordy, Matthews for Dez Bryant. Dez looked like he was going to be an elite WR at the time, and he still might be. But giving up 3 pieces with potential (Jordy just put up big numbers in the SB and was going to start the following year, Lynch starting to come on, clear starter at the time, Matthews injured, but still plenty of potential) for one is no longer as simple as "quality of quantity - I got the best player in the deal". Again, I am not saying the are bad deals - just a lot.
I must be higher on DeMarco than most. The injury thing is overplayed, and the Cowboys will eventually be able to get their RBs into the endzone, the way they did with Barber. Murray is a very good talent, and a well-balanced back that you can build around.
I would need more to really say. Assuming a pretty standard league: QRRWWWTF, I think you sold a bit below market value for VJax, the best player in the deal. But Witten is a solid jump from Keller.If you only start 2x WRs, or don't have a flex spot, it is really close.
I didn't call him a low end QB1...I said a low end QB1 can be bought for less
Considering his age, I'd be inclined to seek out a younger QB who might come slightly cheaper. That's all.
Who though? The person making this trade is probably looking to improve over their current younger QB who is performing as a low QB1. What low QB1 would come close to Peyton's production? Looking at guys around QB12, you see Vick, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Fitzpatrick, Schaub, Cutler. The only guy who screams possible buy low is Vick, but he's got a lot of risk now, both injury and job security. I don't think Cutler or Ben will come close to matching Peyton this year or next couple.
Yes, Jamaal. Sorry bout that. Care to opine?
I'd rank Charles and Julio roughly the same in startups- late first to early second. As such, both sides did fine, depending on team needs.Yes, Jamaal. Sorry bout that. Care to opine?
I have Julio ranked about 10 spots higher than Charles so to upgrade for a 2nd round pick is a nice deal.I'd rank Charles and Julio roughly the same in startups- late first to early second. As such, both sides did fine, depending on team needs.Yes, Jamaal. Sorry bout that. Care to opine?
