Deamon
Footballguy
And per source, we just released Jackson. So no backup linemen? Gotta think we need to address that in FA (not drafting young guys who aren't ready)
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*** 2012 Official Philadelphia Eagles Post Mortem Thread *** (1 Viewer)
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Terpman22
Footballguy
Eh. Unless we get someone the caliber of Grubbs(if we don't resign Mathis), it might be better to draft some guys to learn Mudd's system with a clean slate.
delusional
Footballguy
No liking the zero depth on the Oline. Especially considering how poor the eagles have been at developing Olinemen. Lets hope Mudd has alot of say in this.
Polish Hammer
made of glass
Story on the FBG blogger that the Colts and Skins are highly interested in Mathis. Not good.
vinwinephans
Footballguy
Mathis was on the radio the other day - he wants to stay in Philly and he wants to play for a team that can win. He made a comment about how money is one thing, playing for a winner is something else - they are both important to him.Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
E-A-G-L-E-S
Footballguy
Desean Jackson signs 5 year deal for $51 million, he finally got paid, hope it translates into production
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Yikes, I actually was hoping we wouldn't sign him long term and make him re-establish himself this year under the tag.I hope this is quickly followed up by a big extension for Shady McCoy.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
I honestly don't like it. I don't know if I'm anti desean after this past season but I just don't think he's worth $10 mil per season. We all know his strengths and weaknesses and what he does for the offense as a whole, but that kind of money for a small / injury prone guy with his mentality makes me nervous. Only $18 mil guaranteed isn't bad though.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
D-Dax was just re-signed for 5 years. Can't wait to hear the explination for this one. Last I heard, they were VERY concerned about his durability. When he was injured last year, a specialist did a bone density test (I think that's what it was called) and his bone density was that of a person twice his age. The Dr. went so far as to call him 'glassman' behind closed doors.
Really weird.....
Really weird.....
renesauz
IBL Representative
Not sure I'm completely behind this one either. I don't hate it....but I'm sure not celebrating it either.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Sign and trade! I know, I know.... wishful thinking
netnalp
Footballguy
Endorsement for Ensure!
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Big question is who are they clearing all this cap room for?!
Desean clears 6+ mil. About 5 mil for Justice and JJ.
Desean clears 6+ mil. About 5 mil for Justice and JJ.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hopefully McCoy plus some combination of Mathis, Winston, Grubbs, Myers, etc...
Deamon
Footballguy
I'm really curious about that too. I love that we're taking care of our guys Todd, Cole, Djax (I hear that we are now in contract negotiations with Shady which may be done by the end of the day).You've got to think we are clearing up room for something. Oline Depth, Safety, and most importantly LB are our only issues, but they're big ones. We can of course get some of that in the draft, but I'd love to not have a rookie MLB again. Just heard rumours of Lofton signing which was false... I think he'd be my pick at this point. Tulloch likely staying, and Lofton is awesome against the run. We've got some great CB's and Pass Rushers that can make up for his less then stellar pass coverage.
Terpman22
Footballguy
This. No way we let Shady hit any kind of market, be it restricted or not.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
At this point I like what they're doing in just about every way.
If they can sign Mathis and/or Lamdry and draft a LBer or best safey I'd be good with everything. Have to hope now that the team gels.
McCoy needs an extension too. That needs to be done immediately after the draft.
If they can sign Mathis and/or Lamdry and draft a LBer or best safey I'd be good with everything. Have to hope now that the team gels.
McCoy needs an extension too. That needs to be done immediately after the draft.
Deamon
Footballguy
Is Mathis just driving up his price with these other visits? It makes me super nervous especially after losing Dulop, Jackson, and Justice today. Losing Mathis would be a HUGE blow. Let's hope Baltimore doesn't woo him too much, but he'd get money AND winning there which is what he wants. I don't like these other visits at all.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I think if the Eagles weren't confident that they were either close with Mathis or with a replacement for Mathis, they wouldn't have let all the other OLmen go. They could always sign a RT and move Herremans back to guard.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya I guess this is one of the cases where we just have to trust them, and ya, you'd think they wouldn't make those moves without some plan. Even if they make that move, still leaves us without much depth. Not too many starting Olinemen we can afford out there right now. Lets hope we sign Mathis, and a couple backup linemen, get Lofton or Tulloch as our new starting MLB with Connor rotating in. Then draft nothing but safeties and LB's with our first 3 rounds. I'd love that team!
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I don't know about Tulloch. They didn't go after him last year, so why this year?
Deamon
Footballguy
Could have been a few reasons we didn't last year. - No real Free Agency time to take a good look at him- Cost was higher then it will be this year- Focus was on other Free Agents- Cap tied up in Nnamdi, Jenkins, Babin, etc.- MLB wasn't #1 Priority heading into the season.I think he's a good fit this year. Though Lofton would come cheaper and is a little bit bigger. Also is awesome against the run which is probably our biggest issue.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Tulloch is closer to a 3 down LB than Lofton IMO. Great points on why we didn't chase him last year too. I still say he re-signs with Det. though, since Megatron's deal is official now. I also still think we do NOT stay pat at 15 this year. We normally do not get a top-half-of-the-draft pick normally and think Howie/Joe/Andy will not miss the opportunity to get "Their Guy" - whoever that happens to be. If/when Asante gets traded then this is more of a certainty, in my view.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya I kinda think we'll move from 15 too. What direction I dont know. We've moved up in drafts lately so I could so it. So assuming we can't get into the top say 5 picks, who may be our big playmaker that we move up to grap between 5-15?
loose circuits
Footballguy
Didn't he sign a cheap 1 year 'prove it' deal last season
delusional
Footballguy
If that is true then yea, odd. But then again when have the eagles did the common sense thing most the time
Deamon
Footballguy
True, it was a 1 yr 3 or 4 mil I believe. We need him more this year then last though. Still i don't think he's leaving Detroit.
delusional
Footballguy
and i can't believe some people don't see resigning mathis as a priority.
Domination
Footballguy
While I am not a DeSean fan, I also like the fact that they are locking their key guys up. But the part that bothers me, is that we have only been resigning players that made up a non playoff team. While I understand it is early, it would at least be nice to know that we were talking/looking at someone to improve this team
Fire the Fat Man
Footballguy
Horrible extension for desean. He is a one dimensional WR. He no longers goes over the middle, has no use in the red zone (the offenses biggest issue) and has had a lot of injuries due to his small size and probably one concussion away from being out for a while. Should have traded him for nothing and signed Vincent Jackson
They need to resign Mathis
Tulloch is better than Lofton. 3 down Lb vs a 2 down LB
They need to resign Mathis
Tulloch is better than Lofton. 3 down Lb vs a 2 down LB
Machiavelli
Footballguy
Actually the contract has only 15 million in guarantees.. I think L. Robinson just got about the same guarantees. This makes Jackson an Eagle for two seasons, but after that, if he's not living up to the contract, we can cut him.I'm more concerned about offensive line. We need to get Mathis back, but depending on the money, there are other options. We just need to explore those. Also, we have very little depth, and that needs to be addressed.As for MLB, I keep hearing Lofton's name coming up, but I would assume we are looking at Lofton, Tulloch, etc, and we'll get the best one for the best price. One of them needs to sign to establish the value first though...
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
Amazing how much one bad season changes someone's stock. Not saying he'll be an elite WR next year, but I won't be surprised if a few teams think the same way some of you are thinking and he burns them for 6/159/2 TD's.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Those saying this is a horrible signing re: DJax need to look at the terms and not the headlines. It's $15mm guaranteed and really a 2-year, $18mm deal. That's a fantastic outcome given his talent, just take a look at the hauls mediocre talents like Laurent Robinson and Pierre Garcon are netting out there.
One thing I have to say...what a difference a year makes. We shocked the world last year by signing Nnamdi to a 5-year, $60mm deal with $26mm in guarantees. No one questioned he was the top FA available and the #2 CB in the league. This offseason we've seen the Cowboys sign Carr to a 5-year, $50mm deal and the Rams sign Finnegan to a 5-year, $50mm deal. That's crazy money for guys who are good -- but not great -- CBs when THE top option a year ago cost almost the same in terms of guarantees.
One thing I have to say...what a difference a year makes. We shocked the world last year by signing Nnamdi to a 5-year, $60mm deal with $26mm in guarantees. No one questioned he was the top FA available and the #2 CB in the league. This offseason we've seen the Cowboys sign Carr to a 5-year, $50mm deal and the Rams sign Finnegan to a 5-year, $50mm deal. That's crazy money for guys who are good -- but not great -- CBs when THE top option a year ago cost almost the same in terms of guarantees.
fflmonster
Footballguy
I think the signing was a mistake as D Jackson really doesn't help the eagles get better.
I think the eagles needed to get a player like P. Garcon more then D. Jackson. I know most are probably saying I am crazy, but lets look at the Eagles offense.
M. Vick is a small QB and he needs either passing lanes, spacing, wrs going down the field longer or bigger wrs to see when throwing to.
I just think the eagles already have plenty of 20 to 20 wrs with J Maclin, J Avant and B. Celek. What the eagles really need is that tall, strong physical wr that can score in the 20. We just don't have that player and thus that is the reason why we always seem to move the ball up and down the field then settle for FGs.
I do think D. Jackson opens up the field with his speed and downfield routes, but we are paying him much more then he is worth.
Jackson is nothing more then a 55-60 catch, 900-1000 yard and 5 tds type of player. He is not a 10 million a year star.
He does return punts, but I don't think he will return punts much longer in his career and then he is just a wr.
Big mistake by the eagles.
This signing doesn't fill any of the FOUR positions they need to fill to be back contending in the league.
The eagles need a stud guard (should have gone after nicks), MLB to anchor and change this defense (could get this in 1st round), strong safety (another draft pick) and a tall physical wr for inside the 20 (should have been p. garcon or v. jackson if they really wanted to spend the 50+ million)
The eagles should have signed p. garcon and nicks then drafted a lb and safety in the 1st two rounds of the draft.
However, its still early and hopefully the eagles will address the issues they have correctly this year.
I think the eagles needed to get a player like P. Garcon more then D. Jackson. I know most are probably saying I am crazy, but lets look at the Eagles offense.
M. Vick is a small QB and he needs either passing lanes, spacing, wrs going down the field longer or bigger wrs to see when throwing to.
I just think the eagles already have plenty of 20 to 20 wrs with J Maclin, J Avant and B. Celek. What the eagles really need is that tall, strong physical wr that can score in the 20. We just don't have that player and thus that is the reason why we always seem to move the ball up and down the field then settle for FGs.
I do think D. Jackson opens up the field with his speed and downfield routes, but we are paying him much more then he is worth.
Jackson is nothing more then a 55-60 catch, 900-1000 yard and 5 tds type of player. He is not a 10 million a year star.
He does return punts, but I don't think he will return punts much longer in his career and then he is just a wr.
Big mistake by the eagles.
This signing doesn't fill any of the FOUR positions they need to fill to be back contending in the league.
The eagles need a stud guard (should have gone after nicks), MLB to anchor and change this defense (could get this in 1st round), strong safety (another draft pick) and a tall physical wr for inside the 20 (should have been p. garcon or v. jackson if they really wanted to spend the 50+ million)
The eagles should have signed p. garcon and nicks then drafted a lb and safety in the 1st two rounds of the draft.
However, its still early and hopefully the eagles will address the issues they have correctly this year.
Deamon
Footballguy
I'd say 60 catches, 1000 yards is deserving of the contract we gave him (only 15 mil guaranteed)... and those were his numbers last year in a bad season (suspended 1 game, playing injured, pissed off about his contract and not giving it his all, etc.) I think his numbers can DEFINITELY go up from last years. Garcon had very similar stats to desean last year, and dessean has more upside, a better return game, and chemistry with vick.
Terpman22
Footballguy
I say Desean and Maclin both go for over 1100 this year. Desean is worth the deal, McCoy's deal is just around the corner. Just need to get Mathis in, a MLB maybe a safety and Maclin locked up sooner than later too. I think maybe all of this will be accomplished soon and if not, there are always other options out there. I have faith... 
Machiavelli
Footballguy
People, DeSean Jackson's deal is really, really good for the Birds. only 15 million in guaranteed money, and can basically walk away with minimal dead money after two seasons. If he doesn't live op to the contract, he is gone.
And in my opinion, Garçon/Robinson/Jackson all got paid way too much guaranteed money for what they are worth.
We still need a big WR/Red Zone target, but there are cheap options out there. I think first we re-up McCoy and then work on LB and Offensive Line in FA.
And in my opinion, Garçon/Robinson/Jackson all got paid way too much guaranteed money for what they are worth.
We still need a big WR/Red Zone target, but there are cheap options out there. I think first we re-up McCoy and then work on LB and Offensive Line in FA.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
'Machiavelli said:
After seeing that contract, things make much more sense. He said they wouldn't sign him for more that two-three years and that essentially exactly what they did. He never sees year four of that contract. In fact, I'd be surprised if he saw year three.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
DH, any word on Mathis?'Machiavelli said:
Polish Hammer
made of glass
Grubbs to the Saints. We need Mathis back.
zadok
Footballguy
What are the chances we get Winston and slide Herremanns back to Guard?DH, any word on Mathis?'Machiavelli said:
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Looks like the game of guard musical chairs may cost us. According to Rotoworld, now that Grubbs has replaced Nicks in New Orleans, the Ravens are making a big push to replace Grubbs with Mathis.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
No info there but, imo, they rolled the dice to let him visit other teams and might have lost him because of that.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
McClane reported on Twitter that Mathis told him personally that the Eagles will have a chance to match any deal het gets. So we'll see.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Mark Barron HAS to be considered there too IMO.No matter what, LBer and both safety spots need an upgrade or some real competition.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Desean guarantees a super bowl in the next five years!
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Shane Falco
Footballguy
well there you have. If Desean guarantees it...
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