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*** 2012 Official Philadelphia Eagles Post Mortem Thread *** (2 Viewers)
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That's pretty crazy. Some of those spreads seem a little big, but hey I'll take it.
SouthJersey
Footballguy
Some minicamp notes from the Inquirer:
Cox plays some DE and other minicamp notes
from Birds' Eye View by Jeff McLane and Jonathan Tamari
The 2012 Eagles rookie minicamp officially got under way Saturday with the first audible Jim Washburn cuss word. Here's the rundown on some of the highlights and news to come out of the first of today's two practices:
-- Top pick Fletcher Cox impressed with this quickness off the snap. The defensive tackle doesn't look like your typical NFL defensive tackle. He's 6-foot-4, 298-pounds of all muscle and could easily be mistaken for a defensive end. He, in fact, played a little end during 11 on 11s when Washburn slid the Mississippi State product outside. Cox played both positions in college.
“I played a lot at D-end," Cox said of his days at Mississippi State. "We had different packages where coach wanted to move me out and keep me in a lot of space and let me run around.”
-- Second round pick Mychal Kendricks got a lot of one-on-one time with defensive coordinator Juan Castillo. For a long stretch Castillo, a linebacker in his playing days, worked almost exclusively with Kendricks, who is expected to compete for a starting job on the strong side. Kendricks had one of the day’s big plays, intercepting a deep Nick Foles pass while running 20 to 30 yards downfield with tight end Brett Brackett. He came across as confident, competitive and a little feisty.
“It was pretty easy,” he said of the interception. “That’s just doing my job. That’s not anything out of the norm for me or anything special, that’s what I’m supposed to and that’s what I’m going to do, that’s what I’m going to try to do.”
Asked about his height (5-11) as he tries to cover bigger tight ends he said simply, “doesn’t matter.” End of quote.
Kendricks further explained himself later on.
“It doesn’t matter because at at the end of the day I'm going to have to go out there and do it, and if I do it I do it, if I don’t then I’ll probably get cut," he said. "Everything’s going to handle itself, that’s why I say it doesn’t matter because I’m going to try my hardest. I’m going to do what I can do and hopefully everything will take care of itself. So I don’t really stress about it and I don’t think you guys should either.”
-- No one got more coaching than Foles, who got a steady stream of lessons from Reid, Marty Mornhinweg and QB coach Doug Pederson. Foles, as you might expect on his first day, had some ups and downs, zipping passes one moment and then throwing wobbly balls the next. For now, he’s just learning on getting the playbook down and mastering the footwork he’ll need while working under center instead of in the shotgun, as he did in college.
“It’s the little details that make the great players different from just the good players, so I’m just trying to get every little detail down, learn from some of the best coaches to ever coach this game,” Foles said.
-- Eagles offensive line coach Howard Mudd will miss rookie minicamp. Mudd resides in Arizona and coach Andy Reid decided it would be best to give the 70-year-old a few breaks during off-season workouts. Mudd has been in Philadelphia several times during the off-season and will be back for OTAs when the veterans can participate. Eugene Chung, who's official job title is assistant to strength and conditioning coach, will coach the rookie offensive linemen in Mudd's absence.
-- When the Eagles drafted Bryce Brown in the seventh round and signed the undrafted Chris Polk a day later many wondered why the team didn't draft Polk instead of Brown, who wasn't expected to be selected. Polk had a very productive four seasons for Washington whille Brown hardly played in college as he went from Tennessee to Kansas State to M.I.A. There has been only one practice -- without pads -- but a compact, 220-pound Brown looked decidedly quicker than Polk. Just an early observation.
-- Former Eagles center Jamaal Jackson will retire, according to reports out of New York. Jackson was up there trying out for the Giants on Friday, but apparently told the team that he was retiring and that "his heart wasn't in it," according to Mike Garafolo of the Newark Star-Ledger.
-- With Owen Schmitt gone, Stanley Havili looks to have the fullback job to lose. That is, if the Eagles keep a fullback on the roster. Schmitt saw his snaps decrease in half last season and the trend around the league for years has been a devaluing of the traditional lead blocking fullback. "I feel like there's a spot for a fullback on this team," Havili said. Havili, drafted in the seventh round a year ago, spent all of last season on the practice squad. That made him eligible to participate in rookie camp.
-- The Eagles invited defensive tackle Alex Magee to tryout during minicamp. The 6-foot-3, 298-pound Magee was chosen by the Chiefs in the third round of the 2009 draft. In 27 games over two seasons for Kansas City he recorded two sacks. He was traded to Tampa Bay and notced two sacks in eight games for the Bucs in 2010. Tampa Bay cut him before the 2011 season.
-- Punter Ryan Tydlacka, who might have a shot to compete with Chas Henry, also had a mixed day. One early punt went off the side of his foot and fluttered only 20 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. But as the special teams session went on he got ahold of a few kicks and blasted them deep.
-- Former Temple cornerback Kee-ayre Griffin intercepted a short Foles pass over the middle.
-- Former Eagles wide receiver Greg Lewis was in camp as a coaching intern.
Cox plays some DE and other minicamp notes
from Birds' Eye View by Jeff McLane and Jonathan Tamari
The 2012 Eagles rookie minicamp officially got under way Saturday with the first audible Jim Washburn cuss word. Here's the rundown on some of the highlights and news to come out of the first of today's two practices:
-- Top pick Fletcher Cox impressed with this quickness off the snap. The defensive tackle doesn't look like your typical NFL defensive tackle. He's 6-foot-4, 298-pounds of all muscle and could easily be mistaken for a defensive end. He, in fact, played a little end during 11 on 11s when Washburn slid the Mississippi State product outside. Cox played both positions in college.
“I played a lot at D-end," Cox said of his days at Mississippi State. "We had different packages where coach wanted to move me out and keep me in a lot of space and let me run around.”
-- Second round pick Mychal Kendricks got a lot of one-on-one time with defensive coordinator Juan Castillo. For a long stretch Castillo, a linebacker in his playing days, worked almost exclusively with Kendricks, who is expected to compete for a starting job on the strong side. Kendricks had one of the day’s big plays, intercepting a deep Nick Foles pass while running 20 to 30 yards downfield with tight end Brett Brackett. He came across as confident, competitive and a little feisty.
“It was pretty easy,” he said of the interception. “That’s just doing my job. That’s not anything out of the norm for me or anything special, that’s what I’m supposed to and that’s what I’m going to do, that’s what I’m going to try to do.”
Asked about his height (5-11) as he tries to cover bigger tight ends he said simply, “doesn’t matter.” End of quote.
Kendricks further explained himself later on.
“It doesn’t matter because at at the end of the day I'm going to have to go out there and do it, and if I do it I do it, if I don’t then I’ll probably get cut," he said. "Everything’s going to handle itself, that’s why I say it doesn’t matter because I’m going to try my hardest. I’m going to do what I can do and hopefully everything will take care of itself. So I don’t really stress about it and I don’t think you guys should either.”
-- No one got more coaching than Foles, who got a steady stream of lessons from Reid, Marty Mornhinweg and QB coach Doug Pederson. Foles, as you might expect on his first day, had some ups and downs, zipping passes one moment and then throwing wobbly balls the next. For now, he’s just learning on getting the playbook down and mastering the footwork he’ll need while working under center instead of in the shotgun, as he did in college.
“It’s the little details that make the great players different from just the good players, so I’m just trying to get every little detail down, learn from some of the best coaches to ever coach this game,” Foles said.
-- Eagles offensive line coach Howard Mudd will miss rookie minicamp. Mudd resides in Arizona and coach Andy Reid decided it would be best to give the 70-year-old a few breaks during off-season workouts. Mudd has been in Philadelphia several times during the off-season and will be back for OTAs when the veterans can participate. Eugene Chung, who's official job title is assistant to strength and conditioning coach, will coach the rookie offensive linemen in Mudd's absence.
-- When the Eagles drafted Bryce Brown in the seventh round and signed the undrafted Chris Polk a day later many wondered why the team didn't draft Polk instead of Brown, who wasn't expected to be selected. Polk had a very productive four seasons for Washington whille Brown hardly played in college as he went from Tennessee to Kansas State to M.I.A. There has been only one practice -- without pads -- but a compact, 220-pound Brown looked decidedly quicker than Polk. Just an early observation.
-- Former Eagles center Jamaal Jackson will retire, according to reports out of New York. Jackson was up there trying out for the Giants on Friday, but apparently told the team that he was retiring and that "his heart wasn't in it," according to Mike Garafolo of the Newark Star-Ledger.
-- With Owen Schmitt gone, Stanley Havili looks to have the fullback job to lose. That is, if the Eagles keep a fullback on the roster. Schmitt saw his snaps decrease in half last season and the trend around the league for years has been a devaluing of the traditional lead blocking fullback. "I feel like there's a spot for a fullback on this team," Havili said. Havili, drafted in the seventh round a year ago, spent all of last season on the practice squad. That made him eligible to participate in rookie camp.
-- The Eagles invited defensive tackle Alex Magee to tryout during minicamp. The 6-foot-3, 298-pound Magee was chosen by the Chiefs in the third round of the 2009 draft. In 27 games over two seasons for Kansas City he recorded two sacks. He was traded to Tampa Bay and notced two sacks in eight games for the Bucs in 2010. Tampa Bay cut him before the 2011 season.
-- Punter Ryan Tydlacka, who might have a shot to compete with Chas Henry, also had a mixed day. One early punt went off the side of his foot and fluttered only 20 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. But as the special teams session went on he got ahold of a few kicks and blasted them deep.
-- Former Temple cornerback Kee-ayre Griffin intercepted a short Foles pass over the middle.
-- Former Eagles wide receiver Greg Lewis was in camp as a coaching intern.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
He was on WIP the other day and I really like this guy. Sounds like a character. We need guys like that on D. I hope he can play as good as he can talk.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Agreed re: Kendricks. I can't fathom going to games this year and seeing a trio of starting LBs that actually make a difference. I will go bonkers, and may even put a new Eagles jersey into the rotation to go along with my Jerome Brown and B-Dawk gear. 
Terpman22
Footballguy
The only things I want to read anymore are that Jarret and Allen look good and are improving. Don't get me wrong, very very excited about Kendricks, Curry, Cox, Boykins and all the other value guys we got. I just feel our Safety development is key. Also think that Ryans will have the two guys starting on each side of him (to me: Rolle/Kendricks) ready to go. Like what I am reading so far.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@CSNPhilly: A league source told CSN's Derrick Gunn that Eagles LT Jason Peters re-ruptured his Achilles' & had a second surgery
Mcnabbfan
Footballguy
This totally sucks about Jason Peters. The Roll-about his was using to get around his house malfunctioned. He fell off the roll about and re-ruptured his Achilles.
THis totally sucks. Hopefully he can come back next year.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-talk/Eagles-Peters-needs-second-surgery-after?blockID=707802&feedID=704
THis totally sucks. Hopefully he can come back next year.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-talk/Eagles-Peters-needs-second-surgery-after?blockID=707802&feedID=704
Terpman22
Footballguy
Oh man.
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
Jesus Christ.
Also, RE: safety. Andy Reid said Nate Allen and Kurt Coleman are the starting safeties at this moment. I'm hoping Jarrett can improve with a full offseason and win the job form Cleman. Safety's the only position I'm worried about. At least at LB, we have one set in stone, one nearly there (Kendricks), and a healthy competition (Chaney/Rolle/Matthews) for the last spot. If Nate Allen isn't good we have Colt Anderson. And if Jarrett can't beat out Coleman, that's not good. If the safety play doesn't improve, I think that's a definite target in next year's draft. Maybe Tyraan Mathieu? Or, for namesake alone, Bacarri Rambo?
Also, RE: safety. Andy Reid said Nate Allen and Kurt Coleman are the starting safeties at this moment. I'm hoping Jarrett can improve with a full offseason and win the job form Cleman. Safety's the only position I'm worried about. At least at LB, we have one set in stone, one nearly there (Kendricks), and a healthy competition (Chaney/Rolle/Matthews) for the last spot. If Nate Allen isn't good we have Colt Anderson. And if Jarrett can't beat out Coleman, that's not good. If the safety play doesn't improve, I think that's a definite target in next year's draft. Maybe Tyraan Mathieu? Or, for namesake alone, Bacarri Rambo?
flapgreen
Footballguy
That's awful for the eagles. Feel for you guys. As a Bears fan, we have been looking for a good tackle for decades. You had one of the best. :(
CentralPA
Footballguy
In no way am I discrediting what this means for Peters or the offense. He was by far the best LT in the NFC, possibly the league last year so any replacement option will be worse, and possibly significantly worse. I do think Demetress Bell will help soften the blow some though, especially if he can adapt Mudd's style of blocking that Peters went to a new level with. But make no mistake about it, the line is assuredly weaker now with Peters gone for the year. But I think the line will still be steady in pass protect and good in run blocking.'flapgreen said:
Insein
Footballguy
Full off-season will help adapt as well.
need2know
Footballguy
we have to find a good LT in next years draft or FA....
CentralPA
Footballguy
I'm not going to say it was the main factor in an 8-8 season last year because any team that had a .500 or less record can point to that excuse. But with all the talent they brought in, the youth movement of this team, and not to mention the new coaches, I just don't see how this team doesn't finish with at least a winning record and a playoff berth with full off season to teach and prepare. Granted, they made a ton of mistakes that led to some god awful gut wrenching losses but I just think that they didn't have the benefit of a full off season and everything took a long time to gel. Plus the coaching turnover (yep, looking at you Juan) also had an adverse affect too. The last 4 games of the regular season might've been a sign the Juan finally knew how to run that defense. I don't know minus a head coaching change if their was a team in the 2011 off season that saw more change then the Eagles did. It was the perfect storm for a let down year. Incredible hype, superstar talent all over the place, how the hell does that not work?I'm probably harping on something that has been discussed ad nauseam on this thread but I really think with this draft class and a full off season of coaching for some of the other young players we are going to see a very good team take the field this season. Really think 11wins is not crazy to think itcan happen, even with the Peters injury. Very optimistic about the Birds this year
Thus ends my 
rant
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Interesting that the Eagles are going to seek to take the money from Peters that they gave to Bell since it was a non-football injury. I can't imagine Peters will be too happy with that.
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
That's a tough situation. On one hand, it was a non-football injury and a guy shouldn't make 9 million dollars to not play a snap. On the other hand, he didn't get injured on purpose and taking away money for a freak accident would piss anyone off. Hopefully they work out an agreement that pleases both sides.
Also here to note according to a story on the Eagles' website, Casey Matthews is up to 250 lbs. Can't wait to see the linebacker competition this offseason.
Also here to note according to a story on the Eagles' website, Casey Matthews is up to 250 lbs. Can't wait to see the linebacker competition this offseason.
CentralPA
Footballguy
He's sueing the manufacturer of the contraption that broke and made him fall. It's a good bet he wins it too. They'd have to pay the damages the Eagles seek as well. Doubt this will become much of anything.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The first injury was non-football related. Maybe Peters can sue and win for the additional time he'll miss, but I doubt he'll end up getting more than a quarter of his lost salary from them. He was most likely going to miss the whole season anyway. The second tear just insured that.
Insein
Footballguy
I don't see how they could reasonable do that when it looked like Peters was going to miss most of 2012 because of the initial injury. Bad PR move. Kicking an injured guy while he's down.
jasvic
Footballguy
Here's what I'm unclear of, does the money they recover provide cap-relief or is it just them getting money back? If it's the former, then it helps the team, the latter and it's a bit greedy on the owner's part. Either way, don't think this will amount to much and that roll about company may wind up paying the price anyway.'Insein said:
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Peters was working out on his own when the origional injury happened. They probably were going to put him on the non-football injury list and take back his salary even before the second tear. And yes, it does also provide cap relief.'Insein said:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And I THINK Baltimore is doing the same thing with Suggs as well. Apparently this is common practice.
Insein
Footballguy
Sucks for Peters then I guess.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yup, Baltimore is doing the same thing.What sucks for the players is that if they had been working out at the team's facilities instead of at home, then they'd be entitled to their full compensation as it would be considered part of team activities.
Ksquared
Footballguy
I think the NFL teams are playing a little hard ball on this issue with Peters and Suggs taking the brunt of it. There are many NFL teams/coaches/trainers that are unhappy with the new CBO not allowing contact with these players for the new extended amount of time. With so many of these players dealing with weight and staying in shape issues, the players need to work out but the new CBA will not allow it at the team's facilities. I think this will be an area that will get amended in the next year or two, but until it does I think most teams will continue this less than desirable pulling of the $$ due to a non-football related injury. It is not like these guys were sky diving or something else that was clearly not allowed in most contracts.
SouthJersey
Footballguy
It sucks for Peters but that's the risk you take by not working out at the Eagles facility. On the positive side at least the Eagles aren't total jerks and not paying him anything. They're just giving him $3.5 million less and using that money to pay Bell's contract. I think that's fair for everyone.
Insein
Footballguy
I don't think he was allowed to work out at the facility.
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
From Jeff McLane (Eagles beat writer)
"Yesterday I wrote on Twitter, in response to a question about FA safety Yeremiah Bell, that the #Eagles thought he was was done. That may have been overstating their opinion of him. They don't think Bell is done but they're not interested in signing him right now despite recent reports that they're talking to him."
I look at him the way I looked at Plaxico Burress (before they drafted McNutt). If he can come in for one year, play some snaps, and help the young guys out, why not? The safety play needs to improve, I made a post about it in this thread recently. I don't think he comes to Philadelphia, and I don't think he's in any way a necessity. Number one thing for the Eagles has to be extending LeSean McCoy. And teaching Michael Vick how to slide.
"Yesterday I wrote on Twitter, in response to a question about FA safety Yeremiah Bell, that the #Eagles thought he was was done. That may have been overstating their opinion of him. They don't think Bell is done but they're not interested in signing him right now despite recent reports that they're talking to him."
I look at him the way I looked at Plaxico Burress (before they drafted McNutt). If he can come in for one year, play some snaps, and help the young guys out, why not? The safety play needs to improve, I made a post about it in this thread recently. I don't think he comes to Philadelphia, and I don't think he's in any way a necessity. Number one thing for the Eagles has to be extending LeSean McCoy. And teaching Michael Vick how to slide.
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Awful Waffle
Footballguy
Annnd McCoy's extended through 2017. $45 million, $20.765 million guaranteed.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I know there was still a long way to go before camp, but I got a little nervous the other day when I heard DJax advising McCoy not to hold out. It was the first time I heard "McCoy" and "holdout" publicly in the same sentence.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Well deserved for Shady and good for the Eagles stepping up and paying the man.
Thats a bargain.
Insein
Footballguy
Excellent news. No drama this year from anyone. Just business. Unfinished business.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Sooo giddy that we got McCoy locked up. Everyone is under contract and should be happy. As Insein said, no drama. I would argue we've had a significantly better offseason than last year, and yet it's gotten very little hype outside Eagles fan circles. That = AWESOME.
Insein
Footballguy
Absolutely agree. A draft that addressed key position concerns. Signing every starter to long term deals. Getting rid of possible locker room poisons (Asante). This is all about football this year. Now with that said, we're still going to have speed bumps. Its not some one way express to the Super bowl. I think last year's failure though will serve as a proper motivator for this season. The rookies eager to prove themselves combined with the vets eager to prove last year was a fluke should make for a hungry, determined team. Can't wait for camp. Especially the way the Phillies season is going and the sixers may only have a week left.'Jason Wood said:
Jason Wood
Zoo York
My biggest fear is an early injury to Vick derailing all the other great stuff we've done this year. Really hope we pick up someone a bit more proven as camp cuts unfold.
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
Sigmund tweeted about Tavaris Jackson. I don't know. The only Mike Kafka I saw was the Falcons game where he looked pretty good and nearly led them to a win before Maclin dropped a pass on 4th down.
Insein
Footballguy
I think Kafka is enough to get us through 2 games. Any more than that and we're screwed anyway. I don't think there is anyone out there that could carry us more than 2 or 3 games. Vick's health is key and I know thats a terrible thing to be banking on since he's NEVER finished 16 games.
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
Twitter guys are saying Bell will sign with the Eagles or the Jets, maybe today.
Insein
Footballguy
Would be a decent pick up. Push the younger guys a little.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Seems like only a key injury to Vick or along the OL can keep this team from being very exciting to watch this year on both sides of the ball.
I hope the FO has Plan Bs for both scenarios. I don't see what the plan would be if Vick gets hurt. I don't see playoffs - especially in the NFC East - without Vick.
I hope the FO has Plan Bs for both scenarios. I don't see what the plan would be if Vick gets hurt. I don't see playoffs - especially in the NFC East - without Vick.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Health and Vick has to improve in red zone. Missanelli said Vick was 3rd worst last year? Although I can't find any stats to support that claim. If those 2 things happen, the Eagles should be poised for a deep playoff run in '12
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'm kind of scared because we all seem to be agreeing lately. 
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Bell signed with the jets
Amused to Death
Footballguy
There's nothing to be negative about. Great draft, great off-season, no coaching changes...as long as we don't lose Vick for half the season and he's under center for the post-season there's no reason they can't make a serious run at the Super Bowl.I'm kind of scared because we all seem to be agreeing lately.
Insein
Footballguy
I know right. Weird. Apocalypse?I'm kind of scared because we all seem to be agreeing lately.
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