UnknownCoach
Footballguy
If Taiwan converts to CB then Deonte Williams becomes very interesting. McGuffy looks a lot better to me than Butler. Mady could push Nix.
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
NICK KASA | Colorado 6057|269 lbs|4SR Thornton, CO (Legacy HS) 11/5/1990 (age 22)
2012: (12/12) 25/391/3 (TE) PROJECTION: 3rd-4th Round
2011: (11/0) 1/8/0 (DE, TE) MEASUREABLES: 6057 | 269 | 32 7-8" | 9 1-8" | 77 5-8"
2010: (12/1) 20/1.0/1.0 (DE) COMBINE: 4.71 40-YD DASH | 1.64 10-YD | 22 REPS | 31.5" V | 9-5 BJ
2009: (4/0) 2/1.0/0.0 (DE) PRONUNCIATION: cah-suh
STRENGTHS:
Large frame and physically looks the part with good muscle tone…balanced athlete with very good straight-line speed…brings power element with the ball in his hands and isn’t easy to tackle…good strength and competitive drive as a blocker…strong hands/wrists to seal and redirect defenders, benefiting from his time on defense…has experience inline and in the slot and looks comfortable anywhere…willingly changed positions and played special teams to get on the field.
WEAKNESSES:
Raw as a route runner and finisher…streaky awareness as a pass-catcher and too often fights the ball…needs to refine his blocking technique and better use angles to sustain…tends to get lazy as a run blocker at times and needs to maintain proper leverage…plays a bit tight and lacks ideal flexibility…needs to do a better job in space, too many missed assignments…only one full season at TE and very rough around the edges…has battled numerous minor injuries.
SUMMARY:
Played DE most of his Colorado career, but was lost on the depth chart and moved to TE halfway through junior season…team-first guy and went to the coaching staff about changing positions and playing more special teams to better help the team…passes the eye test with good size/speed measureables, but not overly fluid or explosive…willing blocker, but still needs a lot of work…raw skills makes him an intriguing NFL prospect, but he still has a lot of room to develop.
MYCHAL RIVERA | Tennessee 6032|242 lbs|4SR Valencia, CA (Birmingham HS) 9/8/1990 (age 22)
2012: (12/10) 36/562/5 PROJECTION: 5th Round
2011: (12/11) 29/343/1 MEASUREABLES: 6032 | 242 | 32 5-8" | 10 1-4" | 79"
2010: (13/0) 11/112/0 COMBINE: 4.81 40-YD DASH | 1.66 10-YD | 17 REPS | 31" V | 9-4 BJ | 7.17 3C | 4.43 SS
2009: College of the Canyons
STRENGTHS:
Athletic and smooth with the sneak speed to quickly turn upfield after the catch…good body control to catch the ball in stride and make quick adjustments on the ball…reliable hands to snatch the ball away from his body and works well near the sideline…nice job finding open zones and using fakes to burst past defenders…versatile to line up in different formations and at different positions and also has experience on special teams…steadily improved his production.
WEAKNESSES:
Lacks prototypical height and bulk for the position and appears maxed out physically…needs to improve his core strength to sustain blocks and be more of a factor in the run game…needs to improve his field awareness and know where the sticks are…lacks natural burst to explode off the LOS or easily separate out of his breaks…doesn’t always appear under control and needs to use better leverage as a blocker…only average production for a pass-happy offense.
SUMMARY:
Originally committed to Oregon before spending a year at the JUCO level and transferring to Tennessee…never produced gaudy numbers in Knoxville, but improved his statistics and consistency each season…looks more like a bulky WR, but plays with the toughness and aggressiveness for the TE position…has the movement skills of a Kellen Winslow Jr. but lacks the same size or power…willing, but limited blocker and will earn his stripes with his ability catching the ball.
2012: (12/12) 25/391/3 (TE) PROJECTION: 3rd-4th Round
2011: (11/0) 1/8/0 (DE, TE) MEASUREABLES: 6057 | 269 | 32 7-8" | 9 1-8" | 77 5-8"
2010: (12/1) 20/1.0/1.0 (DE) COMBINE: 4.71 40-YD DASH | 1.64 10-YD | 22 REPS | 31.5" V | 9-5 BJ
2009: (4/0) 2/1.0/0.0 (DE) PRONUNCIATION: cah-suh
STRENGTHS:
Large frame and physically looks the part with good muscle tone…balanced athlete with very good straight-line speed…brings power element with the ball in his hands and isn’t easy to tackle…good strength and competitive drive as a blocker…strong hands/wrists to seal and redirect defenders, benefiting from his time on defense…has experience inline and in the slot and looks comfortable anywhere…willingly changed positions and played special teams to get on the field.
WEAKNESSES:
Raw as a route runner and finisher…streaky awareness as a pass-catcher and too often fights the ball…needs to refine his blocking technique and better use angles to sustain…tends to get lazy as a run blocker at times and needs to maintain proper leverage…plays a bit tight and lacks ideal flexibility…needs to do a better job in space, too many missed assignments…only one full season at TE and very rough around the edges…has battled numerous minor injuries.
SUMMARY:
Played DE most of his Colorado career, but was lost on the depth chart and moved to TE halfway through junior season…team-first guy and went to the coaching staff about changing positions and playing more special teams to better help the team…passes the eye test with good size/speed measureables, but not overly fluid or explosive…willing blocker, but still needs a lot of work…raw skills makes him an intriguing NFL prospect, but he still has a lot of room to develop.
MYCHAL RIVERA | Tennessee 6032|242 lbs|4SR Valencia, CA (Birmingham HS) 9/8/1990 (age 22)
2012: (12/10) 36/562/5 PROJECTION: 5th Round
2011: (12/11) 29/343/1 MEASUREABLES: 6032 | 242 | 32 5-8" | 10 1-4" | 79"
2010: (13/0) 11/112/0 COMBINE: 4.81 40-YD DASH | 1.66 10-YD | 17 REPS | 31" V | 9-4 BJ | 7.17 3C | 4.43 SS
2009: College of the Canyons
STRENGTHS:
Athletic and smooth with the sneak speed to quickly turn upfield after the catch…good body control to catch the ball in stride and make quick adjustments on the ball…reliable hands to snatch the ball away from his body and works well near the sideline…nice job finding open zones and using fakes to burst past defenders…versatile to line up in different formations and at different positions and also has experience on special teams…steadily improved his production.
WEAKNESSES:
Lacks prototypical height and bulk for the position and appears maxed out physically…needs to improve his core strength to sustain blocks and be more of a factor in the run game…needs to improve his field awareness and know where the sticks are…lacks natural burst to explode off the LOS or easily separate out of his breaks…doesn’t always appear under control and needs to use better leverage as a blocker…only average production for a pass-happy offense.
SUMMARY:
Originally committed to Oregon before spending a year at the JUCO level and transferring to Tennessee…never produced gaudy numbers in Knoxville, but improved his statistics and consistency each season…looks more like a bulky WR, but plays with the toughness and aggressiveness for the TE position…has the movement skills of a Kellen Winslow Jr. but lacks the same size or power…willing, but limited blocker and will earn his stripes with his ability catching the ball.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
The tight ends selected late in the draft are intruiging. Don't want to get too excited about them. But they could easily bounce either Gordon or Aus off the team. That's not saying too much. The tape I saw of Rivera he looks an awful like Aaron Hernandez. Very fluid with good body control. Kasa by contrast looks stouter, won't be comparing him to Gronk though. I was hoping that we would use that last pick on Otten, but let him go. Otten in my mind was the perfect like for like replacement of Brandon Myers. He has signed a UDFA contract with Jacksonville.
krsone21
Footballguy
Video of Latavius Murray:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h07a4fkLnt4
Warning: Near the end of the video when the song starts if you have children around you may want to turn the audio off. But in the begining of the video his teammates and coaches talk about Latavius.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h07a4fkLnt4
Warning: Near the end of the video when the song starts if you have children around you may want to turn the audio off. But in the begining of the video his teammates and coaches talk about Latavius.
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
Butler wasnt invited to the combine but apparently ran a 4.36 40 at his pro day. Tall fast WR project who didnt do much in college taken by Oakland in round 7. Al Davis would be proud. Streater didnt do much in college either so you never know.
massraider
Footballguy
One of the coaches for the Raiders coached him at USC. He called Butler draft day, to let him know that he was campaigning for him. Deal was, apparently: Butler was at USC, Kiffin came in, had other favorites, Butler transferred.
Rooting for this kid, and seems like he has a coach in his corner.
massraider
Footballguy
Also:
F### Kiffin.
F### Kiffin.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
massraider said:
always hated that smug little ####er
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
this draft is definitely a wait and see project. i am cautiously optimistic. i am not as high on the qb as some are, but maybe he will surprise me. i am merely hoping for relevancy by 2015. clowney in 2014 spend some free agent money and put a good product on the field. i have no illusions about the upcoming year, we will be lucky to win 5 games.
massraider
Footballguy
I am hoping we re-sign Veldheer, Houston, and to a lesser extent, DMC.
Here is the current list of undrafted free agent signings by the Raiders. All signings are reported until made official by the Raiders.
Dexter McCoil, S, Tulsa
Deveric Gallington, OG/C, Texas Tech
Sam McGuffie, WR, Rice
Kyle Padron, QB, Eastern Washington
Bobby Cowan, P, Idaho
Tim Wright, WR, Rutgers
Deonte Williams, RB, Cal Poly
Conner Vernon, WR. Duke
John Wetzel, OT, Boston College
Kyle Magnuson, OT, Wyoming
Josh Leonard, OL, Wyoming
Freddy Young, S, New Mexico
Logan Freeman, OT, Central Missouri
Lamar Mady, OG, Youngstown
Kentrell Harris, DE, Virginia Union
Billy Boyko, ILB, Lehigh
Braden Hanson, OL, BYU
Adam Steiner, LS, Akron
Jarell Childs, LB, Kansas State
Adrien Bushell, CB, Louisville
Kurt Tuaufa'asau, DT, Wyoming--http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/draft_zone_spotlight_kurt_taufaasau_dt_wyoming_university/12850561
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massraider
Footballguy
JOHN WETZEL OT, Boston College
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2013 Grade: 4.0 F HT: 6-8 WT: 302
STRENGTHS - Gets a good start off the line for the most part, uses his hands well when he uses punch technique. Tends to look for a play at all times, tends to keep his eyes open and has fairly solid awareness. He has the quickness to get to the 2nd level quickly on run plays. Wetzel also possesses solid footwork, he slides very well. Shows the ability to recover on a missed assignment, and also the quickness to slide over if OG misses an assignment. Has the strength to perform against the run.
WEAKNESSES - While he gets off of the line well, Wetzel has the tendency to be out of position off the snap, causing him to get beat. Has a tendency to lean into blocks instead of relying on his punch technique. Needs to become a lot more physical. Speed is inconsistent, at times he looks quick in his blocks, others he looks extremely slow. Needs to use his punch technique a lot more than what he showed. DE will blow by him in the NFL at this point. His footwork can be very inconsistent, sometimes it looks very smooth, other times it looks very choppy.
SUMMARY - Overall I feel Wetzel is very inconsistent. There were times throughout the games where he was fairly solid, and other times where he just looked like he was in slow motion. He needs to improve his consistency in all areas. Wetzel also needs to become more physical at the line of scrimmage. While he is a guy who is always looking to make a block, he needs to show more physicality than what he has shown. At 6'8, 302, I feel he will need to put on weight to have any success at the next level. Needs to become more consistent on getting good position off of the snap. In order for Wetzel to make the next step to the NFL, he needs to become much more consistent and much more physical at the LOS. He lacks good quickness, so in order to react in time he needs to become better at anticipating what the defensive linemen are going to do and block with much better technique so that he can be efficient, which helps overcome a lack of athleticism. Wetzel does move well in the pocket and shows he has okay footwork, but he also has choppy footwork at times and causes him to lose any position he may have on a DE. Overall, I expect him to be a late round pick or priority free agent who is best suited to trying to be a backup/swing tackle. However, to do that he will need to improve his blocking technique and consistency.
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2013 Grade: 4.0 F HT: 6-8 WT: 302
STRENGTHS - Gets a good start off the line for the most part, uses his hands well when he uses punch technique. Tends to look for a play at all times, tends to keep his eyes open and has fairly solid awareness. He has the quickness to get to the 2nd level quickly on run plays. Wetzel also possesses solid footwork, he slides very well. Shows the ability to recover on a missed assignment, and also the quickness to slide over if OG misses an assignment. Has the strength to perform against the run.
WEAKNESSES - While he gets off of the line well, Wetzel has the tendency to be out of position off the snap, causing him to get beat. Has a tendency to lean into blocks instead of relying on his punch technique. Needs to become a lot more physical. Speed is inconsistent, at times he looks quick in his blocks, others he looks extremely slow. Needs to use his punch technique a lot more than what he showed. DE will blow by him in the NFL at this point. His footwork can be very inconsistent, sometimes it looks very smooth, other times it looks very choppy.
SUMMARY - Overall I feel Wetzel is very inconsistent. There were times throughout the games where he was fairly solid, and other times where he just looked like he was in slow motion. He needs to improve his consistency in all areas. Wetzel also needs to become more physical at the line of scrimmage. While he is a guy who is always looking to make a block, he needs to show more physicality than what he has shown. At 6'8, 302, I feel he will need to put on weight to have any success at the next level. Needs to become more consistent on getting good position off of the snap. In order for Wetzel to make the next step to the NFL, he needs to become much more consistent and much more physical at the LOS. He lacks good quickness, so in order to react in time he needs to become better at anticipating what the defensive linemen are going to do and block with much better technique so that he can be efficient, which helps overcome a lack of athleticism. Wetzel does move well in the pocket and shows he has okay footwork, but he also has choppy footwork at times and causes him to lose any position he may have on a DE. Overall, I expect him to be a late round pick or priority free agent who is best suited to trying to be a backup/swing tackle. However, to do that he will need to improve his blocking technique and consistency.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Sunday, September 8 loss 10:00 a.m. at Indianapolis CBS
Sunday, September 15 win 1:25 p.m. Jacksonville CBS
Monday, September 23 loss 5:40 p.m. at Denver ESPN
Sunday, September 29 maybe 1:25 p.m. Washington FOX
Sunday, October 6 loss 1:25 p.m. San Diego CBS
Sunday, October 13 loss 10:00 a.m. at Kansas City CBS
Sunday, October 27 loss 1:05 p.m. Pittsburgh CBS
Sunday, November 3 loss 1:05 p.m. Philadelphia FOX
Sunday, November 10 loss 10:00 a.m. at New York Giants CBS
Sunday, November 17 loss 10:00 a.m. at Houston CBS
Sunday, November 24 win 1:05 p.m. Tennessee CBS
Thursday, November 28 loss 1:30 p.m. at Dallas CBS
Sunday, December 8 maybe 10:00 a.m. at New York Jets CBS
Sunday, December 15 win 1:05 p.m. Kansas City CBS
Sunday, December 22 loss 1:25 p.m. at San Diego CBS
Sunday, December 29 loss 1:25 p.m. Denver CBS
Sunday, September 15 win 1:25 p.m. Jacksonville CBS
Monday, September 23 loss 5:40 p.m. at Denver ESPN
Sunday, September 29 maybe 1:25 p.m. Washington FOX
Sunday, October 6 loss 1:25 p.m. San Diego CBS
Sunday, October 13 loss 10:00 a.m. at Kansas City CBS
Sunday, October 27 loss 1:05 p.m. Pittsburgh CBS
Sunday, November 3 loss 1:05 p.m. Philadelphia FOX
Sunday, November 10 loss 10:00 a.m. at New York Giants CBS
Sunday, November 17 loss 10:00 a.m. at Houston CBS
Sunday, November 24 win 1:05 p.m. Tennessee CBS
Thursday, November 28 loss 1:30 p.m. at Dallas CBS
Sunday, December 8 maybe 10:00 a.m. at New York Jets CBS
Sunday, December 15 win 1:05 p.m. Kansas City CBS
Sunday, December 22 loss 1:25 p.m. at San Diego CBS
Sunday, December 29 loss 1:25 p.m. Denver CBS
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I can't argue with most of this but we aren't getting swept by the sh#tty Chargers.
Unless we're down a long-snapper again.
ICON211
Footballguy
Funny thing too is he is terrible everywhere he goes, yet you always hear what a great young coach he is. F him.massraider said:
always hated that smug little ####er
My apologies as I don't know how to cut and paste these quotes, but I agree, I think its important to keep what few young talented players the Raiders have. I would add Moore to this list as well. I would like to see him develop and if he and Flynn develop good chemistry I believe he can be a top 20 WR barring injury. I'd like for them to keep McFadden but realistically I imagine his price tag will be too steep for McKenzie
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Hayden will most likely be the only day one starter they drafted, still he is a bit of an unknown. He still hasn't had any football contact whatsoever since the day he almost died. And of course he'll go through some growing pains as the Manning brothers, Rivers, RG3, Luck and everyone else will be testing him. Watson obviously is a project and most of his playing time will be in preseason, hopefully I'm wrong, it would be great if they can plug him in at RT, we'll see.
I have a feeling the Raiders were targeting Barkley and Wilson was the consolation prize. To me that pick symbolizes the lack of faith in Pryor. Although I can see him starting the season as the primary backup, especially if he raises some eyebrows again in the preseaon. But clearly Pryor is not the long-term answer at QB, I don't think Flynn is either, but he'll do for a couple years until they go after a big time QB prosepect or go out and get one through free agency.
I'm intruiged by the TEs as well, I think Kasa is an upgrade over Gordon and Ausberry. Still nothing flashy, but hopefully he can become a nice safety valve for Flynn. I know nothing about the kid from Tennessee, other than he's got good measurables, most likely he's project and specail teamer.
I think Sio Moore might turn out to be the best pick in the draft.Even though he's thought of as a weakside LB, which wasn't a huge need they will find a way to get him on the field, and he will definitely be a tackling machine on special teams in 2013 which the Raiders sorely need.
The most intruiging player to me is Latavius Murray. After watching some video on him, he's definitely got speed and some burst through the hole, but I didn't see a whole lot of cutting or juking ability. Just one cut and go. And his frame, he's built like a WR, I wonder what they have in mind for him, maybe a kick returner?
Kinda disappointed in the McGee pick, hopefully the guy will grow up. DE Bass on the other hand could be a steal in the late rounds.
Hope you're right, McFadden is bound to miss some games, they need RB depth in the worst way. Good backups at RB, WR and LB also translates to better special teams play, which I keep hammering on because they have been miserable covering kicks and punts and to me thats a direct reflection of lack of overall talent on the roster. Blame coaching all we want, but the coaches don't tackle.
Garrett
Footballguy
I feel bad for saying it; but I was really hoping that McFadden was part of a draft day trade for current or future picks. I just don't see how he fits with Reggie's long-term roster plans.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
We wouldn't have got much in return for DMac. Would you have been happy with a third round pick? We would have been lucky to even get that in return. Besides DMac is the corner stone of thier offensive approach next year. He is still pretty young. Personally I am hoping for a Fred Taylor type resurgence.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Kirwin and Ryan said the Raider's should, and likely will, get all the rookies extensive playing time to find out what they have. I believe that Watson starts at RT opening day, despite his lack of experience. He did very well at a major college program. And despite being green I view him as an upgrade over Speed Bump Barnes.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Overall, an interesting draft.
Hard for me to hate the Hayden pick, given his talent and heart, and this team's needs. But given that both Star and Floyd dropped to us at that point, I would have been much more comfortable shoring up our defensive trenches. To me, Lotulelei was both the best fit for our needs and the BPA at that point in the draft. Won't fault Reggie though, as he wanted this guy and ultimately got him.
Menelik Watson is a good prospect, and definitely has the intangibles. But the biggest intangibles is his ability to translate the raw athleticism to NFL-starter level ability. And I don't think I'm to blame if I think that the 2nd round may have been the wrong place to take that chance, especially when Watson has only two years of college experience, only one of which is at a D-1 school. And he's 24. I do hope this is a case that proves the adage that you can teach technique but not ability -- so hope Watson will pan out, but would have preferred us to go with a more proven player with the second rounder.
Sio Moore was a solid pick, a guy with versatility and athleticism. Not much more I could expect here.
Wilson is also a solid pick at that point in the draft -- if he can compete for the job from day one, fantastic, and that we got a talented gunslinger to have in the stable along with Pryor makes me sleep better at night. It's obvious the Raiders don't believe in Pryor, and Tyler Wilson is more of a traditional pocket passer who provides good if not spectacular depth that we needed here.
Kasa and Rivera -- OK, we needed help at TE, but neither of these guys are likely to provide it. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, we still need a #1 TE, who is likely not on the squad just yet.
I can't believe I am saying this, but it looks as if we may actually have some very solid depth at RB -- McFadden, Reece, Jennings and now Latavius Murray -- Murray isn't an all-star talent, but a 6 foot 2, 240+ who runs a 4.3 and has had zero ball control issues? That's a big positive.
McGee looks like a waste of a pick on paper, and jury is out on Butler and Bass.
A C+ / B- -- not drastically bad, but nothing truly stand-out. I guess given our chances this year, our answer to the defensive line woes is still playing with the Gamecocks, and I sure as hell hope we are lucky enough to land him in '14.
Hard for me to hate the Hayden pick, given his talent and heart, and this team's needs. But given that both Star and Floyd dropped to us at that point, I would have been much more comfortable shoring up our defensive trenches. To me, Lotulelei was both the best fit for our needs and the BPA at that point in the draft. Won't fault Reggie though, as he wanted this guy and ultimately got him.
Menelik Watson is a good prospect, and definitely has the intangibles. But the biggest intangibles is his ability to translate the raw athleticism to NFL-starter level ability. And I don't think I'm to blame if I think that the 2nd round may have been the wrong place to take that chance, especially when Watson has only two years of college experience, only one of which is at a D-1 school. And he's 24. I do hope this is a case that proves the adage that you can teach technique but not ability -- so hope Watson will pan out, but would have preferred us to go with a more proven player with the second rounder.
Sio Moore was a solid pick, a guy with versatility and athleticism. Not much more I could expect here.
Wilson is also a solid pick at that point in the draft -- if he can compete for the job from day one, fantastic, and that we got a talented gunslinger to have in the stable along with Pryor makes me sleep better at night. It's obvious the Raiders don't believe in Pryor, and Tyler Wilson is more of a traditional pocket passer who provides good if not spectacular depth that we needed here.
Kasa and Rivera -- OK, we needed help at TE, but neither of these guys are likely to provide it. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, we still need a #1 TE, who is likely not on the squad just yet.
I can't believe I am saying this, but it looks as if we may actually have some very solid depth at RB -- McFadden, Reece, Jennings and now Latavius Murray -- Murray isn't an all-star talent, but a 6 foot 2, 240+ who runs a 4.3 and has had zero ball control issues? That's a big positive.
McGee looks like a waste of a pick on paper, and jury is out on Butler and Bass.
A C+ / B- -- not drastically bad, but nothing truly stand-out. I guess given our chances this year, our answer to the defensive line woes is still playing with the Gamecocks, and I sure as hell hope we are lucky enough to land him in '14.
massraider
Footballguy
I am pretty happy, not necessarily for the players we got, because what the hell do I know about these guys? All I know is what I hear on podcasts, and read on draft dweeb sites. I was happy that there were no crazy picks, and we traded down twice. I'd rather just get a top guy in the 1st, and use the shotgun volume approach on Day 3. Getting an extra 2nd rounder was really nice.
I will not complain about taking certain positions over others, because you might need a DT, but if you get the wrong one, you still need one, you just wasted a pick. You want evidence of that? Look up any message board, including this one, and you will see Raider fans complaining because we didn't take this DT, or that DE, and those players are all complete crap.
DJ Hayden: Hey, you know, we all heard all about DE and DTs, and I know I personally had my heart set on a D-lineman, but corner was just as much of a need as D-line. It just was. Reggie hasn't proven to me yet that his scouts cannot scout, so until then, if they love this corner, as far as I am concerned, it fills a need. Leaving aside all the injury stories, which really make the kid sound great, his highlight reel, I mean, geez, he looked significantly quicker than any other corner. He was Mayock's top corner, and no one has much bad to say about his play.
Menelik Watson: Heard a lot of talk about him not being ready, but it was always as a left tackle, and him going in the first. Looking to 2014, and really who cares about 2013, I'd like to think a year with Sparano means he could be good to go by next summer. We shall see. Could have been a first rounder, not considered a reach.
Sio Moore: Love what I heard from him post-draft, confidence and bravado. Clean kid, and looks like a speedball 3-down WLB. Burris there means nothing to me. Burris showed OK, but showed nothing special. Definitely doesn't have Moore's wheels. In a weak draft for linebackers, he was one of the last, best prospects. Went about where he was expected to go. Not a reach either.
Tyler Wilson: You know, it's tough to find a lot of talk about his actual QB skills, just a lot of compliments about him manning up when things went sideways in Arkansas. Seems like intangibles are good. We shall see. Geez, for a 4th round pick, I am pretty willing to take a risk. One thing I heard about Geno Smith that made me nervous was that he supposedly is afraid to pull the trigger, he's a waiter. Not sure if that can be fixed, and it can be fatal. Wilson has a little gunslinger, and I like that. Cannot WAIT to see this kid in August. Complete wait and see, of course, no one knows. Picked well after his projected draft slot. Sensing a pattern? No reaches.
Nick Kasa: You have to be intrigued by a guy that gets drafted, and only played the position for two years. This dude didn't even play TE in freaking high school. Yep, like Watson, may not be ready to go this year, but we know 2013 ain't our playoff push. Big and can move, and did well on a terrible team. Really interesting. Also a bit of a drop off at this position after him. You can find really nice words about him from Lammey and Bloom.
Latavius Murray: Watched a few minutes of the Marshall game. Going to watch more, I hope he looks better. Tall, fast, and runs tall. Probably drafted as a special teamer that can maybe be a home run. My pick for player from this draft that doesn't make it.
Mychal Rivera: Looks like a second TE, H-Back, receiving type. Cannot see any reason why both these TEs cannot make the team, and both may have easiest route to serious playing time. Looked pretty fluid and athletic.
Stacey McGee: Bizarre pick. Barely played, wasn't considered much of a prospect. Has all the tools, and is considered a run stuffer, but man.......My guess is someone they trust turned him onto this guy.
Brice Butler: Seems like every year we draft this guy, late round WR with tools. Hey, there's room for him to make the team. Hopefully, he's a returner.
David Baas: All you can ask in a 7th round pick: Position of need, and has the tools. Played at a rinky dink school, but went to East-West Shrine game and did well, so that speaks well.
I will not complain about taking certain positions over others, because you might need a DT, but if you get the wrong one, you still need one, you just wasted a pick. You want evidence of that? Look up any message board, including this one, and you will see Raider fans complaining because we didn't take this DT, or that DE, and those players are all complete crap.
DJ Hayden: Hey, you know, we all heard all about DE and DTs, and I know I personally had my heart set on a D-lineman, but corner was just as much of a need as D-line. It just was. Reggie hasn't proven to me yet that his scouts cannot scout, so until then, if they love this corner, as far as I am concerned, it fills a need. Leaving aside all the injury stories, which really make the kid sound great, his highlight reel, I mean, geez, he looked significantly quicker than any other corner. He was Mayock's top corner, and no one has much bad to say about his play.
Menelik Watson: Heard a lot of talk about him not being ready, but it was always as a left tackle, and him going in the first. Looking to 2014, and really who cares about 2013, I'd like to think a year with Sparano means he could be good to go by next summer. We shall see. Could have been a first rounder, not considered a reach.
Sio Moore: Love what I heard from him post-draft, confidence and bravado. Clean kid, and looks like a speedball 3-down WLB. Burris there means nothing to me. Burris showed OK, but showed nothing special. Definitely doesn't have Moore's wheels. In a weak draft for linebackers, he was one of the last, best prospects. Went about where he was expected to go. Not a reach either.
Tyler Wilson: You know, it's tough to find a lot of talk about his actual QB skills, just a lot of compliments about him manning up when things went sideways in Arkansas. Seems like intangibles are good. We shall see. Geez, for a 4th round pick, I am pretty willing to take a risk. One thing I heard about Geno Smith that made me nervous was that he supposedly is afraid to pull the trigger, he's a waiter. Not sure if that can be fixed, and it can be fatal. Wilson has a little gunslinger, and I like that. Cannot WAIT to see this kid in August. Complete wait and see, of course, no one knows. Picked well after his projected draft slot. Sensing a pattern? No reaches.
Nick Kasa: You have to be intrigued by a guy that gets drafted, and only played the position for two years. This dude didn't even play TE in freaking high school. Yep, like Watson, may not be ready to go this year, but we know 2013 ain't our playoff push. Big and can move, and did well on a terrible team. Really interesting. Also a bit of a drop off at this position after him. You can find really nice words about him from Lammey and Bloom.
Latavius Murray: Watched a few minutes of the Marshall game. Going to watch more, I hope he looks better. Tall, fast, and runs tall. Probably drafted as a special teamer that can maybe be a home run. My pick for player from this draft that doesn't make it.
Mychal Rivera: Looks like a second TE, H-Back, receiving type. Cannot see any reason why both these TEs cannot make the team, and both may have easiest route to serious playing time. Looked pretty fluid and athletic.
Stacey McGee: Bizarre pick. Barely played, wasn't considered much of a prospect. Has all the tools, and is considered a run stuffer, but man.......My guess is someone they trust turned him onto this guy.
Brice Butler: Seems like every year we draft this guy, late round WR with tools. Hey, there's room for him to make the team. Hopefully, he's a returner.
David Baas: All you can ask in a 7th round pick: Position of need, and has the tools. Played at a rinky dink school, but went to East-West Shrine game and did well, so that speaks well.
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
I couldnt find anything about Butler ever returning kicks. He didnt in San Diego. Doesnt mean he cant but I dont think thats why he was drafted. I do think he will need to look on special teams but that doesnt always mean as the return man. McGee was heavily recruited out of high school. So even though he didnt look draftable, he was on a lot of scouting radars.
Wilson needs work on his throwing mechanics. I dont believe he's ready to jump into a starting position in his first year. Most of the QBs in this draft need a lot of developing. The only two guys I thought of as first year starters were Barkley and Smith. Flynn will have to hold the fort down while Wilson and Pryor work on throwing the football. Like has been pointed out many times though, 2013 is going to be kind of a wasted year anyway. Flynn will finally get some experience and maybe one of the other two will see the field before the year is over. It would be nice to find out this year if we have our QB or not because we can spend yet another draft pick on one next year if we dont. I dont want to have to go through Flynn in 2013, Pryor in 2014, and Wilson in 2015 only to find out that none of them is the answer.
Wilson needs work on his throwing mechanics. I dont believe he's ready to jump into a starting position in his first year. Most of the QBs in this draft need a lot of developing. The only two guys I thought of as first year starters were Barkley and Smith. Flynn will have to hold the fort down while Wilson and Pryor work on throwing the football. Like has been pointed out many times though, 2013 is going to be kind of a wasted year anyway. Flynn will finally get some experience and maybe one of the other two will see the field before the year is over. It would be nice to find out this year if we have our QB or not because we can spend yet another draft pick on one next year if we dont. I dont want to have to go through Flynn in 2013, Pryor in 2014, and Wilson in 2015 only to find out that none of them is the answer.
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
pryor will never be the answer. ever
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Tebow, anyone?
Can't have too many winners.
Can't have too many winners.
Him and Tebow are in the same boat. Terrible mechanics and inaccurate. I haven't written either one of them off yet because of their character and athleticism, although, NFL coaches and GMs know way more than we do. If these two were able to be starting quality QBs why was Al Davis the only one willing to take a shot on Pryor? And why is Tebow unemployed?
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i'd rather have him than pryor.Tebow, anyone?
Can't have too many winners.
imho pryor is a waste of a roster spot. he's not the future, so get someone in here that has done it before and let them hold the clip board. it might make more sense from a $$$ standpoint to have the young unproven qb contract. but i'd rather have a fitzpatrick type or even an old guy like a brunell type. even tebow fits that bill better than pryor and would be more of a positive influence than pryor in the locker room. imho
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
Only if he changes his mind about playing TE. If we didnt draft a QB, I would have been happy with someone like Tebow or Vince Young to compete with Pryor. Not now though. Wilson is actually a lot like Flynn and we already have a running QB who cant throw very well. No need to add a guy like Tebow. Tebow cant play in the same system as Flynn/Wilson and we dont need to teach two new systems.Tebow, anyone?
krsone21
Footballguy
I wouldn't touch Tebow at all. Wherever he goes the place becomes a circus and a distraction to the team. NO THANKS!!! I would much rather have Pryor. From what I hear Pryor is a great teammate, always the first to volunteer for charity and community events in Oakland.i'd rather have him than pryor.Tebow, anyone?
Can't have too many winners.
imho pryor is a waste of a roster spot. he's not the future, so get someone in here that has done it before and let them hold the clip board. it might make more sense from a $$$ standpoint to have the young unproven qb contract. but i'd rather have a fitzpatrick type or even an old guy like a brunell type. even tebow fits that bill better than pryor and would be more of a positive influence than pryor in the locker room. imho
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true, the raiders have been the picture of stability............I wouldn't touch Tebow at all. Wherever he goes the place becomes a circus and a distraction to the team. NO THANKS!!! I would much rather have Pryor. From what I hear Pryor is a great teammate, always the first to volunteer for charity and community events in Oakland.i'd rather have him than pryor.Tebow, anyone?
Can't have too many winners.
imho pryor is a waste of a roster spot. he's not the future, so get someone in here that has done it before and let them hold the clip board. it might make more sense from a $$$ standpoint to have the young unproven qb contract. but i'd rather have a fitzpatrick type or even an old guy like a brunell type. even tebow fits that bill better than pryor and would be more of a positive influence than pryor in the locker room. imho
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
The difference is, we've seen Tebow almost single-handedly take a very average football team to the playoffs, and win one playoff game.
Pryor has shown nothing. Not that he's had much of a chance, granted.
Pryor has shown nothing. Not that he's had much of a chance, granted.
krsone21
Footballguy
Exactly....The Raiders cleared out the circus the past couple of seasons we don't need it coming back to town unless its the Shriners Circus.true, the raiders have been the picture of stability............I wouldn't touch Tebow at all. Wherever he goes the place becomes a circus and a distraction to the team. NO THANKS!!! I would much rather have Pryor. From what I hear Pryor is a great teammate, always the first to volunteer for charity and community events in Oakland.i'd rather have him than pryor.Tebow, anyone?
Can't have too many winners.
imho pryor is a waste of a roster spot. he's not the future, so get someone in here that has done it before and let them hold the clip board. it might make more sense from a $$$ standpoint to have the young unproven qb contract. but i'd rather have a fitzpatrick type or even an old guy like a brunell type. even tebow fits that bill better than pryor and would be more of a positive influence than pryor in the locker room. imho
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Gil Brandt spoke very highly of Lamar Mady. He sounds like a road grader that will fit nicely with the power run game. He is my early pick to stick.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
What did Pryor do to you? Kick your dog or something? The bolded doesn't ring true to me. Tebow if anything was a devisive influence on the Jets lockerroom although thru no fault of his own. The media circus rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Maybe it's unfair to point the finger at Tebow, but I bet the Jets locker room heals with him being gone. Pryor has been the consumate teammate and professional this offseason by all accounts. If he continues to work his butt off, he should get his chance to prove that he's accelerated his growth from last year. Even he was very critical of his one game against San Diego last year, saying he left a lot of plays on the field he should have made. He's dirt cheap, so I don't get the $$$$ standpoint statement. I'd rather gamble on the upside of a young unproven QB who may never make due on his promise than lug around an old washed up vet who is not ever going to be part of the future. What's the point in carrying that guy? To tread water?i'd rather have him than pryor.Tebow, anyone?
Can't have too many winners.
imho pryor is a waste of a roster spot. he's not the future, so get someone in here that has done it before and let them hold the clip board. it might make more sense from a $$$ standpoint to have the young unproven qb contract. but i'd rather have a fitzpatrick type or even an old guy like a brunell type. even tebow fits that bill better than pryor and would be more of a positive influence than pryor in the locker room. imho
It's time to throw all the young QB's out to there. See who sinks and who swims. It may be a disaster, probably will be a disaster. But we won't be wasting precious PT on throwaway vets who will never be a part of the teams future regardless.
To be clear, I'm with you on my skepticism of Pryor. But going into a "throwaway" season, there's little risk of really screwing this up. Let them compete and maybe, just maybe the process polarizes the candidates and we get a clear picture of who is our potential franchise QB in 2014. Or maybe we look at next year's QB class. Either way, I think we are all ready to see Pryor take the leap up or leap the heck out.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
tebow is not old. if you brought in a brunell or, *gasp* a bruce almighty type i would feel better about that guy taking the reins if our "starter" goes down.Raiderfan32904 said:What did Pryor do to you? Kick your dog or something?DA RAIDERS said:i'd rather have him than pryor.Tebow, anyone?
Can't have too many winners.
imho pryor is a waste of a roster spot. he's not the future, so get someone in here that has done it before and let them hold the clip board. it might make more sense from a $$$ standpoint to have the young unproven qb contract. but i'd rather have a fitzpatrick type or even an old guy like a brunell type. even tebow fits that bill better than pryor and would be more of a positive influence than pryor in the locker room. imho
he's done nothing to me, i no feelings one way or the other about him. he is a waste of a roster spot. for the reasons i stated above.
The bolded doesn't ring true to me. Tebow if anything was a devisive influence on the Jets lockerroom although thru no fault of his own. The media circus rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Maybe it's unfair to point the finger at Tebow, but I bet the Jets locker room heals with him being gone.
i don't argue this point, but he did win games in denver.
Pryor has been the consumate teammate and professional this offseason by all accounts. If he continues to work his butt off, he should get his chance to prove that he's accelerated his growth from last year. Even he was very critical of his one game against San Diego last year, saying he left a lot of plays on the field he should have made.
i've think you've seen what you're gonna see. a couple of bombs in the 4th preseason game, do not impress me. the rest is mediocre. his athletisicm is impressive, i'll give you that, but it doesn't make him a qb.
He's dirt cheap, so I don't get the $$$$ standpoint statement.
i'm saying part of the reason to keep pryor is that he is cheap
I'd rather gamble on the upside of a young unproven QB who may never make due on his promise than lug around an old washed up vet who is not ever going to be part of the future. What's the point in carrying that guy? To tread water?
imho, pryor will not be a part of our future either. so give me the cheaper contractRaiderfan32904 said:
i agree. that's why i say, #### it, add tebow into the mix. it'll generate some revenue.Raiderfan32904 said:
massraider
Footballguy
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/2579/south-carolina-gamecocks
Looking for some TV viewing this year? Link to South Carolina's schedule this year. Ya know, just saaayin........
Looking for some TV viewing this year? Link to South Carolina's schedule this year. Ya know, just saaayin........
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Zero chance we're gonna be the worst team in the league. (Unfortunately, in this case).
Faust
MVP
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...-young-no-longer-a-target-for-oakland-raiders
Vince Young no longer a target for Oakland Raiders
Vince Young no longer a target for Oakland Raiders
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Footballguy
I think you are right, but Clowney isn't a lock to go #1. The 2014 mocks have Bridgewater going first.Raider Nation said:
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
So, who is worse? Browns? Chiefs? Bills?Raider Nation said:
Jets, Arizona, Vikes, Jags even the Chiefs are still poor, but did get incrementally better via the draft. Lions won't be as bad this next year, and either will the Eagles.
I think we're still in the running for Clowney, and I damn pray we find a way to land him.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Can we at least wait till we start 0-4 before speculating about Clowney? I'd like to think about what's been fixed this offseason and what holes still have to be filled to put together a competitive roster.
If we are keeping score, I'd say Reggie has done a nice job revamping the LB crew and the addition of Moore gives Tarver the flexibility to truly be a "multiple" defense. If we run a 3-4 or 4-3 set, the second line is upgraded.
Now let's look at the corners, we got a couple of key free agents in Jenkins and Porter who are younger than the garbage heap free agents that were last year counted on to be our starters. Add in Hayden, and the backfield looks better than last year. Changing out Young for Huff is probably a wash.
Where we could use some immediate help is on the D-line. Walker, Hunter, Sims and some bailing wire isn't going to help Houston a whole lot. Abraham and Freeney are still to be had and could really help.
The defense isn't that many pieces away from having the personnel to compete. I think that's all Reggie and Dennis Allen are wanting.
There will be plenty of time to break out the
if and when it all goes south. Till then, lets try to imagine Reggie's plan for 2013 working, just for conversational purposes.
If we are keeping score, I'd say Reggie has done a nice job revamping the LB crew and the addition of Moore gives Tarver the flexibility to truly be a "multiple" defense. If we run a 3-4 or 4-3 set, the second line is upgraded.
Now let's look at the corners, we got a couple of key free agents in Jenkins and Porter who are younger than the garbage heap free agents that were last year counted on to be our starters. Add in Hayden, and the backfield looks better than last year. Changing out Young for Huff is probably a wash.
Where we could use some immediate help is on the D-line. Walker, Hunter, Sims and some bailing wire isn't going to help Houston a whole lot. Abraham and Freeney are still to be had and could really help.
The defense isn't that many pieces away from having the personnel to compete. I think that's all Reggie and Dennis Allen are wanting.
There will be plenty of time to break out the
if and when it all goes south. Till then, lets try to imagine Reggie's plan for 2013 working, just for conversational purposes.
