GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
considering a trade for McFadden. When do you think he will be back? Also can pick up Jennings. What's the local word on him and his hammy?
thanks!
thanks!
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
DMC is always hurt. And, takes forever to come back from his injuries. I would never own DMC again.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
it's embarassing. i'm hoping it is a sign that reggie will admit/own up to mistakes and move on. horrible decision to trade for him.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Meh, while it was clearly the wrong decision I like the Reggie recognized the mistake and moved on quickly. He didn't worry about saving face and making the situation worse.
We should keep this in perspective, neither Reggie or Allen has held their current positions before coming to the Raiders. So there is a lot of on the job learning going on.
We should keep this in perspective, neither Reggie or Allen has held their current positions before coming to the Raiders. So there is a lot of on the job learning going on.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Hearing some league rumblings of a game in London next year. Still have to work out some lease issues, but would be cool to see the international Raider Nation across the pond.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
3 teams will be playing in London next year - Jags; Raiders and Falcons. Opponents are still TBD
Garrett
Footballguy
From what I have seen between McFadden and Jennings, I don't think McFadden will be back next year; I also think that is the right move for the team.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
I agree about DMac. Unless he explodes second half of the season, the Raiders will move on.
This week's game is a big test. KC is togh place to play, hopefully the Raiders can keep it competitive. Will be interesting to see how Pryor responds in this environment.
This week's game is a big test. KC is togh place to play, hopefully the Raiders can keep it competitive. Will be interesting to see how Pryor responds in this environment.
Reece getting no love at all on the ww. considering he is a starting rb that's crazy at this point in the game. must be because of that KC D followed by the bye. so dmac will definitely be back after the bye people are thinking. and likely jennings too. if not is there any way reece's m&ms ends up with this job?
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
After the demotion to 3rd string, it certainly became less shocking.
I guess I'm talking more about where this all started in the pre-season with the signing (and being dubbed the starter before a single snap) to the quick decline to backup->3rd string->cut. Wow. That happened fast. As others have said, hopefully this bodes well for the front office's ability to move on quickly from mistakes.
And, I gotta say, in a perverse way, I'm enjoying the troubles that Palmer is having in Arizona. Many thought dumping him was a mistake but, even though he put up stats with Raiders, all I remember is key mistakes at key moments over his tenure.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
I am not ready to buy in to that degree. I have been extremely impressed by his commitment and development. He also appears to have the first characteristic of a franchise QB: he makes everyone around him better. But he is nowhere near a finished product. His short game needs to great deal of improvement. Once I see him hit receivers in stride on slant routes, and releasing the ball to receivers prior to their breaks on stop on hitch routes I will be more confident in Pryor.
I am just happy we are competitive and not the worst team in football as all the doomsayers have predicted. Now let's go get a W in KC!
I am just happy we are competitive and not the worst team in football as all the doomsayers have predicted. Now let's go get a W in KC!
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I don't think he means he's already a franchise QB. I think he means we should be now ready to commit to the idea that he will become one, and throw all our resources behind him to see him get to his potential. A lot of QB's are out there in limbo, and their teams not totally committed to them as the franchise QB. You see Ponder losing his job, Freeman before him ironically taking it from him. Thing is, there's only a dozen or so QB's worthy of being called a "franchise QB". Teams that have them covet them like gold, and build around them. The rest treat their starting QB's like they are on double secret probation.
It was a surprise to see Pryor take the job from Flynn in the preseason, it was a further surprise to see him play so well and improve each week. I think the release of Flynn was the Raiders signal that they were going to develop Pryor to be the franchise QB, come hell or high water. Barring some terrible injury, next year's draft won't have any QB's at the top of the board. It sure looks like the Raiders are building around Pryor. And by the looks of his play, improvement, intangibles, leadership...I think it's a wise move.
It was a surprise to see Pryor take the job from Flynn in the preseason, it was a further surprise to see him play so well and improve each week. I think the release of Flynn was the Raiders signal that they were going to develop Pryor to be the franchise QB, come hell or high water. Barring some terrible injury, next year's draft won't have any QB's at the top of the board. It sure looks like the Raiders are building around Pryor. And by the looks of his play, improvement, intangibles, leadership...I think it's a wise move.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Pryor looked pretty damn bad. Y'all are going to make every excuse in the book for him, it's was in the road, it was loud, the chiefs are really good, etc. He looked terrible. Still can't make the quick slant throw, threw horrid jump balls off his back foot all day, kept letting the play clock wind down to zero, seems to not understand that throwing the ball away is even an option. I think he fell prey to listening to his own hype. We'll see how he comes out in the next game. .
Oline is an injury riddled nightmare
Defense looked decent
I still think we overpaid for sea bass and should have cut bait and used that money elsewhere.
Oline is an injury riddled nightmare
Defense looked decent
I still think we overpaid for sea bass and should have cut bait and used that money elsewhere.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
At least one of the delay of games was due to center. If you watch closely you will see Pryor slapping his hands together to snap the ball. The center was completely oblivious. Maybe Breisel was at center when the play happened. Yes, Pryor needs work on his short game. Some of it is fundamentals, like opening up too much on slant passes, the rest is timing. He should be releasing the ball quicker on the stop routes.
The Raiders were in this game until the 4th quarter. I think that is when the injuries on the Oline finally caught up with them. All things considered Sparano has done a pretty good job coaching that group. They lost their second center and another tackle during the game, and they finally got exposed. Hopefully Wiz and Watson return soon. I think we can also expect Velhdeer back soon as well.
The Raiders were in this game until the 4th quarter. I think that is when the injuries on the Oline finally caught up with them. All things considered Sparano has done a pretty good job coaching that group. They lost their second center and another tackle during the game, and they finally got exposed. Hopefully Wiz and Watson return soon. I think we can also expect Velhdeer back soon as well.
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
They gained 11 positive yards in the 3rd quarter. While the score was close, hell the final score is fairly close, they were hanging by a thread. Then Pryor melted down. He looked defeated on the sideline.
It was a decent showing, and I'm proud of the effort. But the oline woes and pryor's play made me cringe and dread the future.
It was a decent showing, and I'm proud of the effort. But the oline woes and pryor's play made me cringe and dread the future.
massraider
Footballguy
Well, let's hope he doesn't have another good game after the bye, it'd be a shame of you had to change your tune three times in a month.
lod01
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Just once so far, I saw a glimmer of hope after the charger game, feel free to prove me wrong. I've never been anywhere close to completely sold on Pryor. I'm not drinking the cool aid. I've said multiple times that I hope to be proven wrong. This team has been so dysfunctional for so long, it's hard to be positive. we need so much help all over the board and we have so many 1 year contracts, I have no clue what this team will look like next year. I'm leery of reggie's moves so far (the entirely new D's play is encouraging though) next years off season will Be very telling. And I hate the feeling of being the farm system for the league, I really hope we sign some of the better players that are on those 1 year deals.massraider said:
I knew this year would be brutal, time to hunker down and see what comes. I'd like to draft around 5-8 next year. We shall see.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Pryor is taking complete responsibility for his performance. Local rag is full of his quotes berating himself. I think the Oline and injuries are due in part to the muserable performance.
At the very least Pryor appeara to be willing to take responsibility and work his a$$ off to improve. How do you not support that attitude?
At the very least Pryor appeara to be willing to take responsibility and work his a$$ off to improve. How do you not support that attitude?
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i do. i've never said a bad word about the man himself. it's only that i think his skill set is not that of winning qb in the nfl. i hope i'm wrong.
ICON211
Footballguy
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That situation gave me a terrible flashback to the wildcard game in Arrowhead in 1991 with Marinovich at QB. I seem to remember a situation very similar to that in that game.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I have been pleasantly surprised with Pryor. I was never impressed with his passing ability but that part of his game seems to be improving.
Pryor is playing pretty well and has made the QB position not a position of glaring need. The Raiders have so many holes that it makes sense to keep Pryor in place and start filling those holes.
Pryor is playing pretty well and has made the QB position not a position of glaring need. The Raiders have so many holes that it makes sense to keep Pryor in place and start filling those holes.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
I thought before the season that 6 or 7 wins would constitute a good season, and I stick by that. Next year will be the key to evaluating Pryor, Allen, and McKenzie. Oakland stands to have a decent draft pick and a ton of cap room. There is no excuse to field a team next season with this many holes, especially on OL.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Good thing Jacoby Ford is on the team. You can never have too many guys who fumble.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Other than the running ability Pryor looked brutal.
Play calling was awful, put Pryor in a bad spot a lot.
I'm liking the d. Hopefully we retain some of them.
Play calling was awful, put Pryor in a bad spot a lot.
I'm liking the d. Hopefully we retain some of them.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I would have signed up for 3-4 at this stage of the season. The future looks promising for the first time in forever.
ryno1980
Footballguy
His skill set is amazing. it's his apparent work ethic that's the development that makes him a QB of interest.
Garrett
Footballguy
Garrett
Footballguy
Give him a stable offensive line before you decide how talented he is. Oakland has to build around this kid.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Time for us Francises to lighten up a little.
Not one Raider Faithful in this thread thought this season would be anything but an unmitigated disaster, but the Raiders go out and put on another solid performance. Yes, they are not competitive wither in the division or against the better teams in the NFL. And they beat an even less competitive, far more woeful team.
But they are starting to show some consistency. Time to give credit where credit is due and give the team -- and Pryor -- their props. This game had a lot to like.
Not one Raider Faithful in this thread thought this season would be anything but an unmitigated disaster, but the Raiders go out and put on another solid performance. Yes, they are not competitive wither in the division or against the better teams in the NFL. And they beat an even less competitive, far more woeful team.
But they are starting to show some consistency. Time to give credit where credit is due and give the team -- and Pryor -- their props. This game had a lot to like.
- First post-bye win since '02
- First multiple TD game from McFadden since '11
- Longest TD by a QB in the NFL
- Solid defensive effort -- especially against the run -- with standout pressure on the QB with plays from Houston, Moore and others.
- Great special teams play
Garrett
Footballguy
RaiderBones
Footballguy
I actually was one of the few Raider faithful that was optimisitic about this season. Before the season started I was predicting anywhere from 6-8 wins this season. I was a lot more optimistic about the changes on defense then others were though.
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Don't call me Francis.To lose 10 years in a row following the bye was an appalling stat.
Dmc not being hurt is nice. He did have 2 Td's in Denver this year, albeit one through the air
Pryor can run for sure
Digging the D
Special teams were ok, the ford non #### up was a big big break. Hopefully we see less of him and his trickeration plays. Too many fumbles etc.
The play calling was really bad in the 2nd half IMHO. We did our damnedest to give it away.
My head is high. It's nice not to be a joke
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I'll own up to that statement, but only so far as Matt Flynn was considered the defacto starting QB. But I changed my tune on the season outlook once I saw Pryor's first preseason action. Go back and read my posts on Pryor in July, I wanted him to start even back before Flynn's first solid start. I wasn't predicting this kind of success, but Pryor's upside was undeniable. Sink or swim time. If he sunk, we get Teddy B or whatever was the choice QB selection next year. Glad Pryor learned how to swim.
I'm glad the Raiders top brass decided to roll with Pryor and take their lumps developing him. We are playing competitive football and Pryor's mojo is carrying over across the team. Really surprised that the defense is playing so well, with a bunch of dumpster diving special free agents. Tarver has them playing relentless football. I can't remember the last Raider win where they essentially shut themselves offensively in the second half and still found a way to close out the game. Pryor is going to get the lion's share of the credit, but the defense and special teams are the unsung heros. Just wish Olson would be allowed to take the training wheels off and learn how to step on teams throats when we have them down.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
You are right Stoppin Tom, and to be honest I was somewhat disappointed in our play this week, even though we won. We still haven't put together a complete game, and the jury is still out on Pryor. My notes after watching the coaches film of the Steeler's game:
THE GOOD: The defense has continued to exceed expectations. The LB group has played exceptional thus far, led by Roach and Burrent. Sio is starting to show flashes. They get back Burress soon and just sign Martez Wilson, who was highly regarded coming out of college, so this group has an extremely promising future. Arguably the Raiders have one of the best secondaries in the league. Jenkins and Porter have been playing great, and Woodson is still making splash plays. Hayden is still finding his way but he doesn't appear overwhelmed by the position. Houston has led a rejuvenated Dline, and Tarver's schemes help cover up our deficiencies.
THE BAD: Offensive inconsistency. It looked like Pryor took a step back this game despite his record run. While he had two nice completions on slants to Moore, he was throwing the ball behind and high on many instances. Initially I thought the staff was calling the game to conservatively in the second half, but after watching it again and seeing Pryor's play I can understand why.
Pryor also seemed to get happy feet, which is some what understandable considering the Raiders are down to their 3rd string right tackle. The Raiders get Watson back soon, so I expect Barnes to move back to RT and Watson will play LT. And if we get Veldheer back I anticipate a dramatic improvement in offensive production.
THE UGLY: Ford. He put the ball on the ground 3 times. We just cannot have that. The run game is also pretty ugly. Watching the coaches tape I almost feel like the entire run game is out of sync. I saw DMac missing several holes, and one time Pryor and the RB were out of sync on a hand off. Some of this might be due to the OLine but there is definitely something amiss.
LOOKING FORWARD: At this point I am in favor of bringing back every guy we signed to a one year contact on defense and signing Houston to a long term deal. We need to get another impact Dline player, and maybe two. Another DE and a DT that can get a push would take this unit to the next level. On offense we need play makers and guards. A big body WR, a TE and a stud guard have to be the top priorities. Then give Pryor another year of evaluation with that unit.
THE GOOD: The defense has continued to exceed expectations. The LB group has played exceptional thus far, led by Roach and Burrent. Sio is starting to show flashes. They get back Burress soon and just sign Martez Wilson, who was highly regarded coming out of college, so this group has an extremely promising future. Arguably the Raiders have one of the best secondaries in the league. Jenkins and Porter have been playing great, and Woodson is still making splash plays. Hayden is still finding his way but he doesn't appear overwhelmed by the position. Houston has led a rejuvenated Dline, and Tarver's schemes help cover up our deficiencies.
THE BAD: Offensive inconsistency. It looked like Pryor took a step back this game despite his record run. While he had two nice completions on slants to Moore, he was throwing the ball behind and high on many instances. Initially I thought the staff was calling the game to conservatively in the second half, but after watching it again and seeing Pryor's play I can understand why.
Pryor also seemed to get happy feet, which is some what understandable considering the Raiders are down to their 3rd string right tackle. The Raiders get Watson back soon, so I expect Barnes to move back to RT and Watson will play LT. And if we get Veldheer back I anticipate a dramatic improvement in offensive production.
THE UGLY: Ford. He put the ball on the ground 3 times. We just cannot have that. The run game is also pretty ugly. Watching the coaches tape I almost feel like the entire run game is out of sync. I saw DMac missing several holes, and one time Pryor and the RB were out of sync on a hand off. Some of this might be due to the OLine but there is definitely something amiss.
LOOKING FORWARD: At this point I am in favor of bringing back every guy we signed to a one year contact on defense and signing Houston to a long term deal. We need to get another impact Dline player, and maybe two. Another DE and a DT that can get a push would take this unit to the next level. On offense we need play makers and guards. A big body WR, a TE and a stud guard have to be the top priorities. Then give Pryor another year of evaluation with that unit.
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RaiderBones
Footballguy
Good stuff here 32 Counter Pass.
Pryor gets a lot of the credit that the Raiders are 3-4 but the defense is really why the Raiders are 3-4. The defense has played lights out compared to last year. McKenzie went dumpster diving and found some gems in there.
It seems like the Raiders come out offensively guns blazing but by the second half the offense always seems to lose steam. I'm not sure what the problem is there.
I agree on the offesnsive side of the ball that the Raiders need to upgrade the #1 WR, TE, RB and at least 1 guard spot.
Ford use to be a playmaker but now he is a liability. I would not lose any sleep if the Raiders decide not to resign him as well as McFadden. Its time to move on from both of these players. Even with the new scheme this year McFadden still isn't playing up to par in my opinion.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
This is the most amazing part of the season to me. I thought our back end was hopeless coming into the season.
Manning shredded them, but Manning shreds everyone. If you can't get immediate pressure on him, it's a long day at the office.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Thanks for posting this. I admit, I had to miss the 2nd half of this game and assumed the Raiders just went conservative and that's why Pryor struggled. I'm willing to chalk it up to a learning curve for Pryor. Maybe he got too emotionally high after that long run? And I think it's silly to talk about playoffs yet, but it's nice to see the Raiders are recognized as a relevant team. That was a huge step for them. I don't think we really understand just how big it was go from laughing stock to relevant in just a half a season.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
We are favored this week in a game which brings us to 4-4. Really incredible when you think about how bleak the season looked in August. And even after Philly, four of the next five games are very winnable.
massraider
Footballguy
And without a running game, aside from the QB. And with 60% of the O-line missing almost all of the time. Unreal.
Pretty happy with the brain trust of Mac/Allen, and the young QB.
