2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (3 Viewers)

[cstu]

Gordon, is 22, averaged 9.969 ppg in ppr last season and is the #1 wr option on his team.

Garcon, is 26, averaged 14.12 ppg in ppr last season and is also the #1 wr option on his team.

You think that Gordon is worth the 1.03 + 2014 1st, but would prefer the 1.04 over Garcon?

Is that more of a knock on Garcon/situation or just a big believer in Gordon?

Garcon v Gordon is an easy call for me to make. I was late to the Gordon party and thus missed out on him at his lowest value. But my startup prep led me to hop on the bandwagon and his current market price is still a bargain. Take advantage of people - like myself, at one point - who didn't watch much Brown football and didn't know who Grodon was when he was drafted (supp).

Again - it's about talent, and I don't think it's really that close between the 2. Waldman called Gordon a better version of Demaryius Thomas, based on whe he saw on his college film. I don't know if I would go quite that far, but their ceilings are the same.

We're talking about a WR2 based on situation. Maybe I value that less than others, but, again, not something I am going to miss much if my gambles don't pay off and not something I wouldn't move for upside. And, generally, not something I want to invest in longterm.

Late 2nd and 3rd in this draft.

You know what they say about a blind squirrel...

 

[meyerj31]

I think you and others are getting way too fancy and bored over the off-season to be thinking of making trades like that. 1.04 for Garcon this year is nuts in almost any league format.

Bruce Hammond has both Patterson and Austin over Garcon, FWIW.

If you need the immediate production, Garcon's likely the way to go. But Garcon's value is laregly tied to situation, and while that will score points, especially short-term, how can you blame anyone for cashing out right now? He's a low end WR2 - not the end of the world if the gamble doesn't pay off and not a reason to pass on players with higher upside.

Sure he does. And everyone "ooo"'s and "aahhh"'s at the ranks and he gets a bunch of clicks to his page. I'm not buying it. Rookies are so perennially over-rated it's almost laughable. The real money is trading for them before their 2nd year after they have a mediocre rookie season due to not adjusting to the speed of the pro game.

I got Cobb, Gronkowski, and Hernandez all for peanuts right after their rookie years. Sure, I've also gotten plenty of 2nd year guys that continued their mediocrity and didn't pan out, but guess what? I didn't pay much for them, and certainly not a proven producer like Garcon. Buying a potential WR1 at the cost of a proven 26 year old WR2 seems asinine to me.

 

[Concept Coop]

Sure he does. And everyone "ooo"'s and "aahhh"'s at the ranks and he gets a bunch of clicks to his page. I'm not buying it. Rookies are so perennially over-rated it's almost laughable. The real money is trading for them before their 2nd year after they have a mediocre rookie season due to not adjusting to the speed of the pro game.

I got Cobb, Gronkowski, and Hernandez all for peanuts right after their rookie years. Sure, I've also gotten plenty of 2nd year guys that continued their mediocrity and didn't pan out, but guess what? I didn't pay much for them, and certainly not a proven producer like Garcon. Buying a potential WR1 at the cost of a proven 26 year old WR2 seems asinine to me.

You're talking in terms of either or when bringing up strategy. Of course there is value to gain in targeting 2nd year players with less buzz than they merit. But that is not the only way to add value to your roster.

Garcon is a WR2 based on situation and situations change. If you think he is more than that - act accordingly and good luck. I’ve gone over my reasoning and am confident in my stance. And strategy, really. It might not be for everyone, but it has worked very nicely for me.

As for Bruce – I’ve seen leagues of his and he’s always at the top in terms of rosters and record. Always. When he talks, I listen. I might not agree, but I listen.

 

[Concept Coop]

AJ Green

for

Ray Rice

C Patterson

Toon

2.07

Depends on the league specs. Green is a top 5 player in PPR formats, in my opinion. You have to add a good deal to a top 15 player to get a top 5 player. I could see this working out for both sides.

 

[SpineDoc]

10 Team PPR Dynasty

Traded: Mendy and E. Sanders

Got: Ryan Matthews

 

[Concept Coop]

10 Team PPR Dynasty

Traded: Mendy and E. Sanders

Got: Ryan Matthews

Love that move for you.

 

[gianmarco]

1 ppr

Team A receives: Matt Ryan/Rudolph/2.11

Team B receives: Tannehill/Hernandez

 

[Ace Matherton]

Got Jordy Nelson + 3.01

Gave Kendall Wright + 1.05

 

[jonboltz]

Got Jordy Nelson + 3.01

Gave Kendall Wright + 1.05

Jordy.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Got Jordy Nelson + 3.01

Gave Kendall Wright + 1.05

Jordy.

In most cases I'd prefer the youth. But I could see paying that for Jordy if I felt it would make a difference short term.

 

[Concept Coop]

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but one final thought on the hypothetical Garcon for 1.04 deal.

Draft picks can be overvalued, no doubt. But they also represent the low point, value wise, of most top end players. Every asset model has pros and cons in dynasty formats, and every asset model has value. Draft picks are generally the most high risk/reward investments we can make. But that doesn’t make them bad – just different. There is certainly a place for them; and I’d actually argue for them at their market value, over players like Garcon at theirs. I’d take a 50/50 shot at 100 over 60. Statistically, 60 is the correct bet to make. But 60’s don’t win leagues. Not a perfect analogy, but I think it gets my point across.

If I am trading away top picks, it’s not going to be for Garcon level players (lived and learned). If I am in the market for top picks, the Garcon model players on my roster are going to be the first to get offered.

The key to not overvaluing draft picks is to fully understand the risk. That is where owners make mistakes. If I don’t have the luxury of a pick not panning out, I don’t trade for the pick. I make this hypothetical trade understanding that I lose immediate production, and have a 50% chance of drafting a bust.

Lastly, another flawed example: If you have a bad team continually finishing in the bottom 5, and trade your 1st every year for a Garcon level player, you’re never going to dig out of that hole. You might get better, but you won’t be ever be a top level team. That illustrates the pros and cons of both models –Garcon/1.04.

 

[Andrew74]

Sure he does. And everyone "ooo"'s and "aahhh"'s at the ranks and he gets a bunch of clicks to his page. I'm not buying it. Rookies are so perennially over-rated it's almost laughable. The real money is trading for them before their 2nd year after they have a mediocre rookie season due to not adjusting to the speed of the pro game. I got Cobb, Gronkowski, and Hernandez all for peanuts right after their rookie years. Sure, I've also gotten plenty of 2nd year guys that continued their mediocrity and didn't pan out, but guess what? I didn't pay much for them, and certainly not a proven producer like Garcon. Buying a potential WR1 at the cost of a proven 26 year old WR2 seems asinine to me.

You're talking in terms of either or when bringing up strategy. Of course there is value to gain in targeting 2nd year players with less buzz than they merit. But that is not the only way to add value to your roster. Garcon is a WR2 based on situation and situations change. If you think he is more than that - act accordingly and good luck. Ive gone over my reasoning and am confident in my stance. And strategy, really. It might not be for everyone, but it has worked very nicely for me. As for Bruce Ive seen leagues of his and hes always at the top in terms of rosters and record. Always. When he talks, I listen. I might not agree, but I listen.

IIRC, Bruce has Austin, Patterson and Garcon ranked together (in this order), but pre-draft.

 

[Concept Coop]

IIRC, Bruce has Austin, Patterson and Garcon ranked together (in this order), but pre-draft.

That looks about right. Gordon a few ahead of that bunch.

 

[tjtehansky]

AJ Green

for

Ray Rice

C Patterson

Toon

2.07

Depends on the league specs. Green is a top 5 player in PPR formats, in my opinion. You have to add a good deal to a top 15 player to get a top 5 player. I could see this working out for both sides.

maybe if the Aj side didn't leave himself with james jones as his #1. 12 team ppr start 3 wr

 

[meyerj31]

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but one final thought on the hypothetical Garcon for 1.04 deal.

Draft picks can be overvalued, no doubt. But they also represent the low point, value wise, of most top end players. Every asset model has pros and cons in dynasty formats, and every asset model has value. Draft picks are generally the most high risk/reward investments we can make. But that doesn’t make them bad – just different. There is certainly a place for them; and I’d actually argue for them at their market value, over players like Garcon at theirs. I’d take a 50/50 shot at 100 over 60. Statistically, 60 is the correct bet to make. But 60’s don’t win leagues. Not a perfect analogy, but I think it gets my point across.

If I am trading away top picks, it’s not going to be for Garcon level players (lived and learned). If I am in the market for top picks, the Garcon model players on my roster are going to be the first to get offered.

The key to not overvaluing draft picks is to fully understand the risk. That is where owners make mistakes. If I don’t have the luxury of a pick not panning out, I don’t trade for the pick. I make this hypothetical trade understanding that I lose immediate production, and have a 50% chance of drafting a bust.

Lastly, another flawed example: If you have a bad team continually finishing in the bottom 5, and trade your 1st every year for a Garcon level player, you’re never going to dig out of that hole. You might get better, but you won’t be ever be a top level team. That illustrates the pros and cons of both models –Garcon/1.04.

This is all sound logic and normally I do agree with all of your points listed. 50/50 for a lights out player or getting a 60-level player is generally a good proposition in fantasy football because when you hit, you win the league.

My point with the 1.04/Garcon refers completely to this year in particular.

I would have traded a Garcon level player in a heartbeat for the 1.04 last year, where generally any of Blackmon/RG3/Luck were available. Guys like Jamaal Charles were going for the 1.01 and I understood the move and didn't disagree with it.

I just think this year that is an awful trade. There's not one skill position player I like better than the guys available at the 1.06 last year, so to me the 1.04 this year is like the 1.10 last year, and a young WR2 for guys normally around the 1.10 range makes no sense to me.

 

[Azhais]

In most cases I'd prefer the youth. But I could see paying that for Jordy if I felt it would make a difference short term.

Jordy is 27. Hardly last legs for a receiver.

 

[thriftyrocker]

In most cases I'd prefer the youth. But I could see paying that for Jordy if I felt it would make a difference short term.

Jordy is 27. Hardly last legs for a receiver.

Everyone treats age differently. 28 in 30 days is old enough for a guy never viewed as an elite talent. What are people getting for Greg Jennings now a days. He is 29. Jordy's value is not guaranteed past next season when his contract expires.

 

[Dez]

12 team PPR dynasty

Cecil Shorts

for

Reggie Wayne

pick 12

Doubt I'd trade Shorts for Wayne straight up. The pick is just icing on the cake.

Man, I am an idiot. I keep mixing up Short and Hilton today for some stupid reason.

the trade was this:

Hilton

for

Wayne

pick 12

sorry. It's also pick 12 in a rookie/free agent draft. Some notable free agents are Vereen, Pettigrew, Fleener, Vincent Brown.

Easy mistake to make, the names are so similar.

Is this a keeper league? The reason I ask is that I am surprised to Vereen in the free agent draft.

That said, I own Hilton, but wouldn't trade him for Wayne and the 1.12

Sort of. You keep 14 QB/RB/WR/TE each year, so every year there are some ok guys available. And since cuts are in february, from then till the draft (in may) a lot can happen

So this was obviously an FFPC league? That's a sick collection of available players. Makes no sense. No one remotely as valued as those guys were cut in the two leagues I'm in, not even close. Was it the same owner who cut those guys?

Anyway I'd trade Hilton for Wayne and 1.12 with that group of players available.

Well Decker was available in ours last year which was shocking where he was going in startups last year.

That's true bu he's just one guy who was available in a few FFPC league and obviously he was cut when people thought Tebow was going to be the QB. Redman was a guy who was not available in our league but was in others and I want to say people were picking him in top of the first round.

So you sometimes see a guy get a value, just don't often see that multiple players as talented as what is in Ghost Guy's league cut. For instance I'm guessing the highest drafted vet in our league is going to be Cameron or a QB.

I was the one who had Redman I should have looked to trade him at the time Mullet felt he was worth the 1.3 pick only behind Richardson and Martin. I tried to get Peterson from him in a deal with Redman but no go even though he loved Redman I should have done another type of deal also should have dumped Meachem when his value was high 2 big time busts I missed my chance on cashing in. Not my favorite league the past 2 years to be in.

 

[sriki]

AJ Green

for

Ray Rice

C Patterson

Toon

2.07

Not bad trade. But, personally, I will keep green. WRs tend to have longer fantasy careers than RBs and considering Rice will be approaching his time in a couple of years and green just getting started, I will not let him go. I will admit that I like the upside of patterson and Toon( Toon more than patterson)

 

[Sabertooth]

Gave Chris Johnson, 2014 2nd

Got: 1.03 and a 2014 1st.

I hate Chris Johnson.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

12 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only. Start Q/R/R/W/W/W/T/flex, 4 yr max contracts.

Team G receives Chris Johnson (3 yr), pick 1.08

Team P receives Alfred Morris (3 yr), pick 2.10

 

[Steel Curtainrod]

10 team 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, K , DT. 29 man rosters.

Team A gave: Colston, 2013 1.08

Team B gave: Jordy, 2014 1st (1.07&gt

 

[jdoggydogg]

12 team PPR dynasty

Cecil Shorts

for

Reggie Wayne

pick 12

Doubt I'd trade Shorts for Wayne straight up. The pick is just icing on the cake.

Incredulously, FBG has Wayne (37) ranked above Shorts (40) in dynasty.

 

[Dez]

12 team PPR dynasty

Cecil Shorts

for

Reggie Wayne

pick 12

Doubt I'd trade Shorts for Wayne straight up. The pick is just icing on the cake.

Incredulously, FBG has Wayne (37) ranked above Shorts (40) in dynasty.

It was Hilton not Shorts.

Hilton for Wayne and pick 1.12

 

[cstu]

12 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only. Start Q/R/R/W/W/W/T/flex, 4 yr max contracts.

Team G receives Chris Johnson (3 yr), pick 1.08

Team P receives Alfred Morris (3 yr), pick 2.10

Will take CJ and the 1.08. I'm willing to gamble that the player at 1.08 will have just as good of a career as Morris.

 

[Jape85]

12 team PPR

A gets:Lamar Miller

B gets:1.04/2.04

C getsatterson

D gets:Bernard Pierce/2014 1st(probably mid-round)

 

[Andrew74]

12 team start 1/2/3

Team A gave: 1.01/1.04/D Richardson/D Moore

Team B gave: Harvin

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team start 1/2/3Team A gave: 1.01/1.04/D Richardson/D MooreTeam B gave: Harvin

Wil take harvin here. Pick 1 and 4 might produce one player close to Harvin, I can not see both doing that. I dont care about the other 2 guys in the deal at all

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team PPRA gets:Lamar MillerB gets:1.04/2.04C getsattersonD gets:Bernard Pierce/2014 1st(probably mid-round)

I will take Miller in the first one.

2nd one is tough, but probably Pierce and the 2014 1st

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only. Start Q/R/R/W/W/W/T/flex, 4 yr max contracts.

Team G receives Chris Johnson (3 yr), pick 1.08

Team P receives Alfred Morris (3 yr), pick 2.10

Will take CJ and the 1.08. I'm willing to gamble that the player at 1.08 will have just as good of a career as Morris.

I would bet a rather large amount, I will take Morris, you take a player at 8 in your draft.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

12 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only. Start Q/R/R/W/W/W/T/flex, 4 yr max contracts. Team G receives Chris Johnson (3 yr), pick 1.08 Team P receives Alfred Morris (3 yr), pick 2.10

Will take CJ and the 1.08. I'm willing to gamble that the player at 1.08 will have just as good of a career as Morris.

I would bet a rather large amount, I will take Morris, you take a player at 8 in your draft.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[mzkp54]

Michael Floyd/2.3 for Justin Blackmon

 

[r0llin_game]

Another Mike Floyd trade than had me

Floyd for Andre Brown.

Start QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2 Flex (rb/wr/te)

Even with the suspension, that's cheap for Blackmon imo

 

[ghostguy123]

Michael Floyd/2.3 for Justin Blackmon

So because of a 4 game suspension for a 2nd year player playing 10 more years, Blackmons value has been cut in 1/3. I am still quite happy to have dealt pick 2 for him.

 

[mzkp54]

Michael Floyd/2.3 for Justin Blackmon

So because of a 4 game suspension for a 2nd year player playing 10 more years, Blackmons value has been cut in 1/3. I am still quite happy to have dealt pick 2 for him.

I was OTC at 2.3 He offered Blackmon for Floyd/2.3/2.9. I countered with Floyd/2.3 and he quickly accepted. I was happy with it.

 

[ghostguy123]

Michael Floyd/2.3 for Justin Blackmon

So because of a 4 game suspension for a 2nd year player playing 10 more years, Blackmons value has been cut in 1/3. I am still quite happy to have dealt pick 2 for him.

I was OTC at 2.3 He offered Blackmon for Floyd/2.3/2.9. I countered with Floyd/2.3 and he quickly accepted. I was happy with it.

As you should be, as you should be. Who did he take at 2.3?

 

[mzkp54]

Michael Floyd/2.3 for Justin Blackmon

So because of a 4 game suspension for a 2nd year player playing 10 more years, Blackmons value has been cut in 1/3. I am still quite happy to have dealt pick 2 for him.

I was OTC at 2.3 He offered Blackmon for Floyd/2.3/2.9. I countered with Floyd/2.3 and he quickly accepted. I was happy with it.

As you should be, as you should be. Who did he take at 2.3?

Wheaton

 

[ghostguy123]

Wheaton

Score for you, shame on him, lol.

 

[pghrob]

12 team ppr, 25 man rosters. All td's 6 pts. Lineup is qb,2rb,2wr,1te,1flx(rb/wr/te) d/st,k

Team A trades Santonio Holmes and Panthers Steve Smith and 2013 3.12 pick

Team B trades 2013 1.04 and 3.04 picks.

 

[Dez]

12 team FFPC

T Y Hilton (IND)Draft Pick - Round 1 Pick 5 Overall 5Draft Pick - Round 3 Pick 5 Overall 292014 Draft, Rnd 1For

Draft Pick - Round 1 Pick 1 Overall 1Draft Pick - Round 1 Pick 3 Overall 32014 Draft, Rnd 2

 

[menobrown]

12 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only. Start Q/R/R/W/W/W/T/flex, 4 yr max contracts.

Team G receives Chris Johnson (3 yr), pick 1.08

Team P receives Alfred Morris (3 yr), pick 2.10

Will take CJ and the 1.08. I'm willing to gamble that the player at 1.08 will have just as good of a career as Morris.

I would bet a rather large amount, I will take Morris, you take a player at 8 in your draft.

Can't see Morris being worth equal to or less than the 1.8, just can't see it. If I'm picking 1.8 I'm hoping and praying I land a player I value as much as Alfred Morris.

 

[menobrown]

Michael Floyd/2.3 for Justin Blackmon

So because of a 4 game suspension for a 2nd year player playing 10 more years, Blackmons value has been cut in 1/3. I am still quite happy to have dealt pick 2 for him.

I was OTC at 2.3 He offered Blackmon for Floyd/2.3/2.9. I countered with Floyd/2.3 and he quickly accepted. I was happy with it.

Afraid I'd go the other way here. Would much rather have Floyd and the 2.3 but if you are happy that's all that matters.

 

[kyter1]

16 Team PPR

Colston, 3.05, 2014 1st (bottom half team last year)

For

Demaryius Thomas, Dujuan Harris

 

[menobrown]

16 Team PPR

Colston, 3.05, 2014 1st (bottom half team last year)

For

Demaryius Thomas, Dujuan Harris

I'd give all that up for Demaryius and I'd have even let you keep Dejuan.

 

[menobrown]

12 team FFPC

T Y Hilton (IND)Draft Pick - Round 1 Pick 5 Overall 5Draft Pick - Round 3 Pick 5 Overall 292014 Draft, Rnd 1For

Draft Pick - Round 1 Pick 1 Overall 1Draft Pick - Round 1 Pick 3 Overall 32014 Draft, Rnd 2

The team that gave the 1 and 3 made the offer which begs the question, if someone asks you to rob them is it still considered theft?

 

[Ernol]

12 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only. Start Q/R/R/W/W/W/T/flex, 4 yr max contracts.

Team G receives Chris Johnson (3 yr), pick 1.08

Team P receives Alfred Morris (3 yr), pick 2.10

Will take CJ and the 1.08. I'm willing to gamble that the player at 1.08 will have just as good of a career as Morris.

I would bet a rather large amount, I will take Morris, you take a player at 8 in your draft.

Can't see Morris being worth equal to or less than the 1.8, just can't see it. If I'm picking 1.8 I'm hoping and praying I land a player I value as much as Alfred Morris.

But, the team getting the 1.8 also gets Chris Johnson. Is there something about this discussion about Morris > 1.8 that I am missing?

 

[menobrown]

12 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only. Start Q/R/R/W/W/W/T/flex, 4 yr max contracts.

Team G receives Chris Johnson (3 yr), pick 1.08

Team P receives Alfred Morris (3 yr), pick 2.10

Will take CJ and the 1.08. I'm willing to gamble that the player at 1.08 will have just as good of a career as Morris.

I would bet a rather large amount, I will take Morris, you take a player at 8 in your draft.

Can't see Morris being worth equal to or less than the 1.8, just can't see it. If I'm picking 1.8 I'm hoping and praying I land a player I value as much as Alfred Morris.

But, the team getting the 1.8 also gets Chris Johnson. Is there something about this discussion about Morris > 1.8 that I am missing?

Answer in bold but I don't disagree with the trade, not at all. Just commented on that comment.

 

[Ernol]

FFPC League

I gave 1.4 and 3.3

I received Justin Blackmon

 

[BallzDeep]

Dez Bryant

2.05

For

Alshon Jeffrey

Rueben Randle

1.02

'14 1st

'14 2nd

(2nd) '14 2nd

 

[ghostguy123]

16 Team PPR Colston, 3.05, 2014 1st (bottom half team last year) For Demaryius Thomas, Dujuan Harris

Someone got Thomas half price.