Well, you notoriously pick whoever is younger, so not surprised.I figure Lynch and White will be scoring very well for the next 2-3 years. By then, Manning likely won't be around, and unless Thomas gets hooked up with another stud QB, I don't see annual 300 point seasons for him.I most certainly prefer Thomas over Lynch/White in dynasty.I am not gonna get crazy and say I prefer Thomas over Lynch/White, but when you add morris to it, sure.
Nicks. I doubt he scores as much as White over the next two year, but he should be solid, and solid for a long long time.Roddy and 2.1 for nicks
Agreed. Pretty easyRG3 and Martin definitelyNot involved. 12 Team Ppr Start 1qb 2-3 rb 3-4 wr 6 pts all tdsTeam A gave: Drew Brees, Michael Crabtree and the 1.06 Team B gave: RG3 and Doug Martin
Ill take LeShoure here. LeShoure's value is all over the place. In multiple leagues I've offered 1.3, 1.4, 1.7 or 1.10 all getting rejected. I'm probably overpaying in some of the offers but I guess I'm being saved from myself because I think all those offers were pretty good.12 team PPRGave 1.12For Leshoure
I would give 10 or 12 for Leshoure. You would definitely be overpaying with those other offers, so be glad they said no, lol. Maybe they don't know Bush is there, who knows.Ill take LeShoure here. LeShoure's value is all over the place. In multiple leagues I've offered 1.3, 1.4, 1.7 or 1.10 all getting rejected. I'm probably overpaying in some of the offers but I guess I'm being saved from myself because I think all those offers were pretty good.12 team PPRGave 1.12For Leshoure
And he's notorious for having it work out for him. Also, it's not simply taking the younger player - it's taking the right younger player. In a vacuum he's right about DT over Lynch/White but there are team factors involved. If getting Lynch wins a team a title it's not a bad trade, but otherwise DT has more long term value. There's no chance a DT owner takes this deal a year from now.Well, you notoriously pick whoever is younger, so not surprised.I figure Lynch and White will be scoring very well for the next 2-3 years. By then, Manning likely won't be around, and unless Thomas gets hooked up with another stud QB, I don't see annual 300 point seasons for him.I most certainly prefer Thomas over Lynch/White in dynasty.I am not gonna get crazy and say I prefer Thomas over Lynch/White, but when you add morris to it, sure.
Lynch/White, to me, would help a team a lot more than just Thomas for probably the next 3 years. After that, of course Thomas will be the guy to own. But he will also be 29, so then what do you have, keeping Thomas will help you for 4 years or so after Lynch and White will be useless.And he's notorious for having it work out for him. Also, it's not simply taking the younger player - it's taking the right younger player. In a vacuum he's right about DT over Lynch/White but there are team factors involved. If getting Lynch wins a team a title it's not a bad trade, but otherwise DT has more long term value. There's no chance a DT owner takes this deal a year from now.Well, you notoriously pick whoever is younger, so not surprised.I figure Lynch and White will be scoring very well for the next 2-3 years. By then, Manning likely won't be around, and unless Thomas gets hooked up with another stud QB, I don't see annual 300 point seasons for him.I most certainly prefer Thomas over Lynch/White in dynasty.I am not gonna get crazy and say I prefer Thomas over Lynch/White, but when you add morris to it, sure.
I agree with everything you are saying regarding philosophy, but I am just talking about this deal specifically. If it was just a straight up Thomas for Lynch/White. My guess is most scenarios I would prefer Lynch and White. Also, if you decided to, in a coupe years I am pretty sure Lynch and White would both have enough trade value to deal for some youth if you needed to go that route. I realize this draft class is weak, but people are dealing pretty good picks to get a 35 year old Reggie Wayne.And of course, it always depends what else is on your roster. Thomas could pretty easily go wasted on your team if you are weak in several areas.I almost never like deals where you give up the most valuable player for smaller pieces. Lynch and White are proven commodities, but they're also at an age where most of the teams in your league won't pay top value to get them. I mean, Roddy turns 32 next season. How much longer will he play at a high level? Realistically, what will his trade value be this season? Or next season? People who only look at it in terms of points are missing part of the puzzle. Owning players like Thomas gives you great flexibility and exit value. If you decide that Marqise Lee is the next big thing, you can probably trade DT straight up for him next year. And if you're right, your team won't skip a beat. On the flipside, if you try to move Lynch and White for him, you'll probably get rejected. Those guys will expire on your roster and soon enough you'll be staring at two holes in your lineup with no obvious way to fix it.We've been over all this before in other threads. It's not as black and white as I've made it out to be above, but in general I think going with the youth-heavy approach gives you more flexibility to sustain your roster and add onto its value, instead of just treading water and trying to fill holes. Hence why I think you simply can't trade players like Thomas, Julio, Martin, TRich, Luck, or Graham unless you're getting another player of that ilk back in return. Too scarce. Too difficult to replace. The goal is to get as many of those guys as possible, not piece them out for lesser commodities.
That's a great trade for Blackmon. I've been trying to get Blackmon with a deal involving Wallace but his owner is very high Blackmon.Mike Wallace3.022014 2nd (mid-late)2014 3rd (early-mid)forBlackmon2.01
To each his own I guess. Lynch probably has a couple good years left, but even now he's getting up there for a RB and Roddy is basically at the end of his rope in terms of trade value. Yea, you might get something for him in a year or two, but it probably won't be much. Let's get real here. Who pays top value for a 32-33 year old receiver? Pretty much nobody. This is the kind of deal that you might like for a year or two, but will eventually come to regret deeply. I always cringe when I see owners in my league give up a core player for lesser pieces. I think that's the entirely wrong way to go about it.I agree with everything you are saying regarding philosophy, but I am just talking about this deal specifically. If it was just a straight up Thomas for Lynch/White. My guess is most scenarios I would prefer Lynch and White.
Also, if you decided to, in a coupe years I am pretty sure Lynch and White would both have enough trade value to deal for some youth if you needed to go that route. I realize this draft class is weak, but people are dealing pretty good picks to get a 35 year old Reggie Wayne.
And of course, it always depends what else is on your roster. Thomas could pretty easily go wasted on your team if you are weak in several areas.
And again, in general, I agree with the philosophy part of it.To each his own I guess. Lynch probably has a couple good years left, but even now he's getting up there for a RB and Roddy is basically at the end of his rope in terms of trade value. Yea, you might get something for him in a year or two, but it probably won't be much. Let's get real here. Who pays top value for a 32-33 year old receiver? Pretty much nobody. This is the kind of deal that you might like for a year or two, but will eventually come to regret deeply. I always cringe when I see owners in my league give up a core player for lesser pieces. I think that's the entirely wrong way to go about it.I agree with everything you are saying regarding philosophy, but I am just talking about this deal specifically. If it was just a straight up Thomas for Lynch/White. My guess is most scenarios I would prefer Lynch and White.
Also, if you decided to, in a coupe years I am pretty sure Lynch and White would both have enough trade value to deal for some youth if you needed to go that route. I realize this draft class is weak, but people are dealing pretty good picks to get a 35 year old Reggie Wayne.
And of course, it always depends what else is on your roster. Thomas could pretty easily go wasted on your team if you are weak in several areas.
Team A gave up Morris, Alfred WAS RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.07;Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.03Team C gave up Spiller, C.J. BUF RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.04I was team B.12 Team PPR QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/Flex Team A gave up Wilson, David NYG RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Jones, Marvin CIN WR Team B gave up Morris, Alfred WAS RB;Bennett, Martellus CHI TE; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B (should be late)
I would kill to get Spiller for that.Team A gave up Morris, Alfred WAS RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.07;Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.03Team C gave up Spiller, C.J. BUF RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.04I was team B.12 Team PPR QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/Flex Team A gave up Wilson, David NYG RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Jones, Marvin CIN WR Team B gave up Morris, Alfred WAS RB;Bennett, Martellus CHI TE; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B (should be late)
1- Seems like someone got Blackmon for a steal2- Meh, maybe prefer Boldin, why not.3- That is a really stupid deal for Harvin. If Harvin tore his ACL this morning, I would make that deal for him. If Harvin tore his ACL in august I would make that deal for him. And I wouldnt think more than 5 seconds about doing it. Ugly, as bad as it gets.Lots of trades this week...Brandon Gibson, 1.11 Rookie PickFORJustin Blackmon-----------------Anquan BoldinFOR2013 4th Rounnd Rookie Pick-----------------1.07 Rookie Pick, 2.11 Rookie Pick, 2014 Round 3 Rookie PickFORPercy Harvin
I understand why you did it, but I think you goofed. In this format, I strongly prefer Graham to TRich. I think you could've gotten a cheaper backup RB at better value.Give:Hillman, Ronnie DEN RBGraham, Jimmy NOS TEYear 2013 Draft Pick 2.09 Get:Richardson, Trent CLE RBYear 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick20.00 in blind biddingSame league as before. Cash is used for tagging, RFA auctions, and waivers. This was a tough deal to do. TE's get 1.5PPR. Graham is unstoppable. Start 11 on O with very flexible lineups. (1-2 QB, 1-5 WR, 1-5 RB, 1-3TE, PK) and 11 on D. McFadden is my only real running back. Killed me last year. I have Gresham and Cook at TE. I could afford to part with Jimmy. I'll miss the hell out of him though.
1 & 3 seem really out of whack. Those would be the entry fees for discussing trades for Blackmon/Harvin in my league. Unless I am missing some type of scoring uniqueness they seem like terrible deals for those giving up the young receivers.1- Seems like someone got Blackmon for a steal2- Meh, maybe prefer Boldin, why not.3- That is a really stupid deal for Harvin. If Harvin tore his ACL this morning, I would make that deal for him. If Harvin tore his ACL in august I would make that deal for him. And I wouldnt think more than 5 seconds about doing it. Ugly, as bad as it gets.Lots of trades this week...Brandon Gibson, 1.11 Rookie PickFORJustin Blackmon-----------------Anquan BoldinFOR2013 4th Rounnd Rookie Pick-----------------1.07 Rookie Pick, 2.11 Rookie Pick, 2014 Round 3 Rookie PickFORPercy Harvin
Would never give Britt for this'Andrew74 said:12 team, 0.5 PPR, start 1/2/3/1Team A gives: brittteam B gives: Hartline, Finley, 3.02
It's doable when you don't need to solely weigh the short-term to win. Boxing it in to "whoever is younger" is quite simplistic, but believe what you must.'ghostguy123 said:Well, you notoriously pick whoever is younger, so not surprised.'JPeso said:I most certainly prefer Thomas over Lynch/White in dynasty.'ghostguy123 said:I am not gonna get crazy and say I prefer Thomas over Lynch/White, but when you add morris to it, sure.
I'd rather take a stab on the rookie. Not because he is younger. Because I think I can get a better player than LeShoure.'ghostguy123 said:I would give 10 or 12 for Leshoure. You would definitely be overpaying with those other offers, so be glad they said no, lol. Maybe they don't know Bush is there, who knows.'Deuceman said:Ill take LeShoure here. LeShoure's value is all over the place. In multiple leagues I've offered 1.3, 1.4, 1.7 or 1.10 all getting rejected. I'm probably overpaying in some of the offers but I guess I'm being saved from myself because I think all those offers were pretty good.'Turbo Punch said:12 team PPRGave 1.12For Leshoure
Concur. Shipping Brees in this trade at top 3-5 QB value is super impressive.'ghostguy123 said:Agreed. Pretty easy'Andrew74 said:RG3 and Martin definitely'eaglesfan7 said:Not involved. 12 Team Ppr Start 1qb 2-3 rb 3-4 wr 6 pts all tdsTeam A gave: Drew Brees, Michael Crabtree and the 1.06 Team B gave: RG3 and Doug Martin
This happened in a friend's league that I look in at times.Team A gets: Ronnie Hillman, Ben Tate and *Aaron Hernandez (owns Arian Foster)Team B gets: Alfred Morris, rookie 3.01*TE's get 1pt per catch but also 1pt for every 5yds receiving instead of every 10yds.Team A gave up Morris, Alfred WAS RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.07;Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.03Team C gave up Spiller, C.J. BUF RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.04I was team B.12 Team PPR QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/Flex Team A gave up Wilson, David NYG RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Jones, Marvin CIN WR Team B gave up Morris, Alfred WAS RB;Bennett, Martellus CHI TE; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B (should be late)
I like getting Dez for that price.DezForJennings and picks 5, 8 and 14
I would too. This was his offer for Dez and was shocked I didn't accept.I like getting Dez for that price.DezForJennings and picks 5, 8 and 14
???I would too. This was his offer for Dez and was shocked I didn't accept.I like getting Dez for that price.Dez
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I would not trade Finley for Britt in a league. I think higher upside still.Would never give Britt for this'Andrew74 said:12 team, 0.5 PPR, start 1/2/3/1Team A gives: brittteam B gives: Hartline, Finley, 3.02
Agree - horrible trade.Would never give Britt for this'Andrew74 said:12 team, 0.5 PPR, start 1/2/3/1Team A gives: brittteam B gives: Hartline, Finley, 3.02
So this isn't a real, accepted trade? Meaning he posted it with an agenda? Can we just ban this Phenix guy from this thread?I would too. This was his offer for Dez and was shocked I didn't accept.I like getting Dez for that price.DezForJennings and picks 5, 8 and 14
So this isn't a real, accepted trade? Meaning he posted it with an agenda? Can we just ban this Phenix guy from this thread?I would too. This was his offer for Dez and was shocked I didn't accept.I like getting Dez for that price.Dez
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[*]DJ Jizzy Jeff gave up Jennings, Greg MIN WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.05; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.08; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.02So this isn't a real, accepted trade? Meaning he posted it with an agenda? Can we just ban this Phenix guy from this thread?I would too. This was his offer for Dez and was shocked I didn't accept.I like getting Dez for that price.Dez
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You think that's a lot for a guy whose ADP is in the 2nd round?[*]DJ Jizzy Jeff gave up Jennings, Greg MIN WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.05; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.08; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.02So this isn't a real, accepted trade? Meaning he posted it with an agenda? Can we just ban this Phenix guy from this thread?I would too. This was his offer for Dez and was shocked I didn't accept.I like getting Dez for that price.Dez
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[*]Wrath of Bud gave up Bryant, Dez DAL WR
How would he know, is he in all my leagues? How does anyone know what trades I make in any league? I posted a trade I made similar to one I'm making in another league.
LMFAO, the self entitlement of some. "Can we ban this guy?"... Can we ban you for thinking you make the rules?
ETA: And to be honest I hought I paid a lot giving 3 top 15 picks. Dez is a headcase but like the talent.
Yes, how else do other future studs get into the league? Yup, you guessed it, THE DRAFT!3 top 15 picks plus a very very good player in Jennings is a lot.You think that's a lot for a guy whose ADP is in the 2nd round?[*]DJ Jizzy Jeff gave up Jennings, Greg MIN WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.05; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.08; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.02So this isn't a real, accepted trade? Meaning he posted it with an agenda? Can we just ban this Phenix guy from this thread?I would too. This was his offer for Dez and was shocked I didn't accept.I like getting Dez for that price.Dez
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[*]Wrath of Bud gave up Bryant, Dez DAL WR
How would he know, is he in all my leagues? How does anyone know what trades I make in any league? I posted a trade I made similar to one I'm making in another league.
LMFAO, the self entitlement of some. "Can we ban this guy?"... Can we ban you for thinking you make the rules?
ETA: And to be honest I hought I paid a lot giving 3 top 15 picks. Dez is a headcase but like the talent.
Without a TE being required, I really like the Mathews side. Nice sell high of Jackson/buy low of Mathews.14 team PPR with devy picks so draft is diluted some. Also no TE requiredGave: S. Jackson and PittaGot: R. Mathews, A. Smith and 2.9
3 top 15 picks in a weak draft, the highest of which is the 1.05. Plus a 29 year old WR (who will be 30 when season starts) who just took a massive downgrade at QB. My bad, you're right, that is a lot for a top 4 dynasty WR.Yes, how else do other future studs get into the league? Yup, you guessed it, THE DRAFT!3 top 15 picks plus a very very good player in Jennings is a lot.You think that's a lot for a guy whose ADP is in the 2nd round?[*]DJ Jizzy Jeff gave up Jennings, Greg MIN WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.05; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.08; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.02So this isn't a real, accepted trade? Meaning he posted it with an agenda? Can we just ban this Phenix guy from this thread?I would too. This was his offer for Dez and was shocked I didn't accept.I like getting Dez for that price.Dez
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[*]Wrath of Bud gave up Bryant, Dez DAL WR
How would he know, is he in all my leagues? How does anyone know what trades I make in any league? I posted a trade I made similar to one I'm making in another league.
LMFAO, the self entitlement of some. "Can we ban this guy?"... Can we ban you for thinking you make the rules?
ETA: And to be honest I hought I paid a lot giving 3 top 15 picks. Dez is a headcase but like the talent.
The thing that is funny with you is that you think that you are setting the price for Dez. I own him and don't really want to move him. Therefore I set the price on what it will take to pry him from me. What is a players value? It's whatever his owner is willing to sell him for.Yes, how else do other future studs get into the league? Yup, you guessed it, THE DRAFT!3 top 15 picks plus a very very good player in Jennings is a lot.You think that's a lot for a guy whose ADP is in the 2nd round?[*]DJ Jizzy Jeff gave up Jennings, Greg MIN WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.05; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.08; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.02So this isn't a real, accepted trade? Meaning he posted it with an agenda? Can we just ban this Phenix guy from this thread?I would too. This was his offer for Dez and was shocked I didn't accept.I like getting Dez for that price.Dez
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[*]Wrath of Bud gave up Bryant, Dez DAL WR
How would he know, is he in all my leagues? How does anyone know what trades I make in any league? I posted a trade I made similar to one I'm making in another league.
LMFAO, the self entitlement of some. "Can we ban this guy?"... Can we ban you for thinking you make the rules?
ETA: And to be honest I hought I paid a lot giving 3 top 15 picks. Dez is a headcase but like the talent.
Dez went #9 in my start up.Here's where the guys you offered went:Jennings - #735 - #768 - #8114 - #147Besides all that, this thread is for completed trades not ones you wish the other team had accepted.Yes, how else do other future studs get into the league? Yup, you guessed it, THE DRAFT!3 top 15 picks plus a very very good player in Jennings is a lot.
Another super cheap Blackmon acquire.12 team non-PPRTeam A gave:Kendall HunterRueben Randall2.01 Rookie pickTeam B gave:Justin Blackmon
I'd be very happy to get Blackmon for that. The pick would have to be top 3 for me to consider this deal.Another super cheap Blackmon acquire.12 team non-PPRTeam A gave:Kendall HunterRueben Randall2.01 Rookie pickTeam B gave:Justin Blackmon
Most valuable piece is the 1st[*]Kiss My Ring gave up Dalton, Andy CIN QB
[*]Joe C's Midget Killers gave up Cutler, Jay CHI QB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10
Lol... Not close Dalton was top 10 and getting better. I'd never trade him for the 1.10Most valuable piece is the 1st[*]Kiss My Ring gave up Dalton, Andy CIN QB
[*]Joe C's Midget Killers gave up Cutler, Jay CHI QB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10
I like Dalton, but 10th pick is good along with Cutler, not all think this is a bad draft.Lol... Not close Dalton was top 10 and getting better. I'd never trade him for the 1.10Most valuable piece is the 1st[*]Kiss My Ring gave up Dalton, Andy CIN QB
[*]Joe C's Midget Killers gave up Cutler, Jay CHI QB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10