loose circuits
Footballguy
that 1.02 trade was pretty awful- should get a solid contributor for that pick and Pierce and James are back-ups. Might as well take Patterson or Lacy
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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (1 Viewer)
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
made a bunch, this is the out come
moved AJ Green / Ridley / Spiller / Kaep / Ryan Mathews / 1.02 / 1.10 / 2.05 / 2014 1st, 2 3rds (all picks expected to be late)
for Calvin / Cobb / Gronk / CJ / Crabtree / Pat Willis / Perry Riley (lb was really an issue for me last yr) / 2014 4th / 2 extra 2015 1sts and a extra 2nd.
see trades here
moved AJ Green / Ridley / Spiller / Kaep / Ryan Mathews / 1.02 / 1.10 / 2.05 / 2014 1st, 2 3rds (all picks expected to be late)
for Calvin / Cobb / Gronk / CJ / Crabtree / Pat Willis / Perry Riley (lb was really an issue for me last yr) / 2014 4th / 2 extra 2015 1sts and a extra 2nd.
see trades here
gave up Morris, Alfred WAS RB
for Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE
gave Pick 4.06;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.10; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick ;Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick;Year 2014 Round 3 Draft ;Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick
for Johnson, Chris TEN RB;Willis, Patrick SFO LB
gave up Ridley, Stevan NEP RB;Roach, Nick OAK LB
for Morris, Alfred WAS RB
gave up Spiller, C.J. BUF RB
for Cobb, Randall GBP WR; Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick
gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.16
for Moeaki, Tony KCC TE
gave up Cutler, Jay CHI QB
for Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick
gave up Green, A.J. CIN WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02
for Johnson, Calvin DET WR;Riley, Perry WAS LB; Year 2014 Round 4 Draft Pick
gave up Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10;Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.05
for Cutler, Jay CHI QB;Crabtree, Michael SFO WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.06
gave up Mathews, Ryan SDC RB
for Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick from VTCats Attack;Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from VTCats Attack
for Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE
gave Pick 4.06;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.10; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick ;Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick;Year 2014 Round 3 Draft ;Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick
for Johnson, Chris TEN RB;Willis, Patrick SFO LB
gave up Ridley, Stevan NEP RB;Roach, Nick OAK LB
for Morris, Alfred WAS RB
gave up Spiller, C.J. BUF RB
for Cobb, Randall GBP WR; Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick
gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.16
for Moeaki, Tony KCC TE
gave up Cutler, Jay CHI QB
for Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick
gave up Green, A.J. CIN WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02
for Johnson, Calvin DET WR;Riley, Perry WAS LB; Year 2014 Round 4 Draft Pick
gave up Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10;Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.05
for Cutler, Jay CHI QB;Crabtree, Michael SFO WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.06
gave up Mathews, Ryan SDC RB
for Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick from VTCats Attack;Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from VTCats Attack
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Seems like a deal that should be for one or the other........but both???
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I am confused. You are getting both better AND younger with the deals.
I'm team B, I think context helps more with this trade. It's a true win-win, IMO.Team AQB-Kaepernick, CutlerRB-Foster/Tate, Charles, Sproles, Lattimore, Turner, Felix, Gray(devy)WR-Harvin, Cobb, Brown, Jennings, James Jones, Da'Rick Rogers, E. Sanders, Meachem, Lee(devy)TE-Rudolph, DanielsTeam BQB-Luck, RiversRB-Mathews, Lacy, R. Bush, Mendenhall, Gurley(devy), Yeldon(devy)WR-Green, Fitz, Holmes, Jeffery, Keenan Allen, Marquess WilsonTE-Gronk, PettigrewFrom my perspective, I had too many eggs in the future basket and not enough to win now. This evens out my team and gives me a ton of roster spots to pick up players.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Appreciate your opinion. And I appreciate the "value" of the high pick...but I assign a name to the pick, and who there is a game changer?
Honestly, if I am in a rookie draft right now, with this crop of rookies, Pierce is a top 3 pick. I know others might not be as high on him, but is geo bernard any more of a sure thing? Patterson a better building block than Pierce? Guess time will tell.
When none of the prospects excite me, take the shotgun approach and land 5, I guess.
FWIW, I turned down more "value" to get two prospects I feel are first rounders if they were in this rookie draft. Double your pleasure, Double your losses!
Honestly, if I am in a rookie draft right now, with this crop of rookies, Pierce is a top 3 pick. I know others might not be as high on him, but is geo bernard any more of a sure thing? Patterson a better building block than Pierce? Guess time will tell.
When none of the prospects excite me, take the shotgun approach and land 5, I guess.
FWIW, I turned down more "value" to get two prospects I feel are first rounders if they were in this rookie draft. Double your pleasure, Double your losses!
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
Team a gives k wright
Team b gives drich and 2014 2nd
Ppr. Start 2rb 4 wr
Team b gives drich and 2014 2nd
Ppr. Start 2rb 4 wr
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One More Rep
Footballguy
I like Gordon/Harris
One More Rep
Footballguy
Wright
cstu
Footballguy
Feel free to ignore the advice and trust your own judgement but you are making a mistake giving up so much value. You may not think the 1.02 is worth much but a lot of people do. If you really wanted Pierce you could probably get him for a 2nd. If you would have taken the 'value' you mentioned you could have had Pierce plus much more.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Although I agree with your overall premise I highly doubt any pierce owner is parting with him for a 2nd rounder. If they are then he's definitely a buy IMO
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cstu
Footballguy
I assume his value is all over the place. He's still likely stuck behind Rice for 3 more years.
Wright. D-rich will likely never be playable in FF. wright > 2nd by a lot
JPeso
Footballguy
But he can be flipped.
JPeso
Footballguy
I can see dealing AJ for prospects like this in a couple years. I'm all for taking shots on youth but with this one I think you did well for yourself.
JPeso
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing, either McCoy or Graham are worth more.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
gave up Cruz, Victor NYG WR;Willis, Patrick SFO LB
got Peterson, Adrian MIN RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.11; Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick
got Peterson, Adrian MIN RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.11; Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick
I was in the pool
Footballguy
I find the 3rd round picks humorous
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squistion
Footballguy
Not as funny as your spelling of the word.
Yeah, it may be humorous, but it depends on the context. If the addition of these 3rd rounders were absolutely crucial to the deal being completed, I would probably agree with you ("Sorry Ralph, no trade unless you include those 3rds with ADP").However, in some of my leagues there are owners who seem to collect these picks and routinely ask they be included (the old concept of getting something thrown in "to boot"). I usually don't comply because I like to save picks that might seem worthless (as sometimes I have seen an overlooked diamond in the rough when I am picking as late as the 4th round) but if I am facing serious roster cutdown issues I might include them.
And (although probably not the case here) I have seen teams in a long term rebuilding mode stockpiling extra picks - trying to collect as many lottery tickets as they can (even though the odds are slim once you get into the 3rd round).
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
If u working w a guy that shows a history of not valuing lower picks then y not squeeze a little extra out. It's an idp league and I usually have a decent shot at finding lb or te prospects in those later rounds, or if I cant find anything I'll just package it for a future 2nd.Not as funny as your spelling of the word.
However, in some of my leagues there are owners who seem to collect these picks and routinely ask they be included (the old concept of getting something thrown in "to boot"). I usually don't comply because I like to save picks that might seem worthless (as sometimes I have seen an overlooked diamond in the rough when I am picking as late as the 4th round) but if I am facing serious roster cutdown issues I might include them.
And (although probably not the case here) I have seen teams in a long term rebuilding mode stockpiling extra picks - trying to collect as many lottery tickets as they can (even though the odds are slim once you get into the 3rd round).
squistion
Footballguy
As I said, it depends on context.If u working w a guy that shows a history of not valuing lower picks then y not squeeze a little extra out. It's an idp league and I usually have a decent shot at finding lb or te prospects in those later rounds, or if I cant find anything I'll just package it for a future 2nd.Not as funny as your spelling of the word.
However, in some of my leagues there are owners who seem to collect these picks and routinely ask they be included (the old concept of getting something thrown in "to boot"). I usually don't comply because I like to save picks that might seem worthless (as sometimes I have seen an overlooked diamond in the rough when I am picking as late as the 4th round) but if I am facing serious roster cutdown issues I might include them.
And (although probably not the case here) I have seen teams in a long term rebuilding mode stockpiling extra picks - trying to collect as many lottery tickets as they can (even though the odds are slim once you get into the 3rd round).
Concept Coop
Footballguy
QRRWWWTF 1 PPR 12 Team
Team A Gave:
Harvin
D.Moore
Team B Gave:
Morris
Bowe
Not involved.
Usually, I always say if the trade is close, the team getting the best player wins. But this is really close. I'll have to give it some thought.
Team A Gave:
Harvin
D.Moore
Team B Gave:
Morris
Bowe
Not involved.
Usually, I always say if the trade is close, the team getting the best player wins. But this is really close. I'll have to give it some thought.
12 team PPR league
Gave up Alf, Bowe
Got. Harvin, D.Moore
Think it's a big price to pay for Harvin, especially given how light it leaves me at RB, but as someone wiser than me said about this hobby, the more teams I have the more I see who "my guys" are, and Alf and Bowe don't go into that category but Percy certainly does
(Edit, timing is everything and Coop is the wiser person I was quoting above)
Gave up Alf, Bowe
Got. Harvin, D.Moore
Think it's a big price to pay for Harvin, especially given how light it leaves me at RB, but as someone wiser than me said about this hobby, the more teams I have the more I see who "my guys" are, and Alf and Bowe don't go into that category but Percy certainly does
(Edit, timing is everything and Coop is the wiser person I was quoting above)
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Bamac
Footballguy
Good move to get Fitz.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Good move to get julio
Bamac
Footballguy
Julio/DT is a wash for me.
cstu
Footballguy
I have Julio a little higher but I look at the trade as Fitz for Wallace and 1.09. Pretty even IMO but I'd rather have the Julio/Fitz side.
cstu
Footballguy
Green has little value and DeSean isn't much to upgrade from Johnson to Nicks. Great trade.
bengalbuck
Footballguy
Agree on the side and I also have Julio over Thomas by a decent amount. Peyton doesn't have a ton of years left while Ryan is going nowhere.
One More Rep
Footballguy
Like getting Julio/Fitz
One More Rep
Footballguy
Harvin/Moore for me
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I prefer Julio to Thomas as well, but I'm not so sure why everyone keeps knocking Thomas down because of Peyton's age. Do people think that Denver isn't going to use a QB once Peyton is gone?
Inspiration
Footballguy
They weren't using one before Peyton got there.
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
I was in the pool
Footballguy
Not sure the gap in picks is warranted, but close enough
cstu
Footballguy
Probably take Stewart and the pick for Ridley. Not a huge fan of either so why not roll the dice on the pick.Unless I'm completely rebuilding that's not enough for Julio.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
this makes little sense. Why trade cj for that right now?
squistion
Footballguy
To me either.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Given his age, are you suggesting you wait til September and hope he looks good before trading? There is a real possibility that trade is no longer on the table.If the pick is early it could be a home run.
cstu
Footballguy
I thought this would be the other way. How much longer do you think a 28 yo speed back has left?
LBH
Footballguy
I really like Moore, had the depth to move CJ(who I don't like very much), needed to get younger, needed WRs more than RBs, and expect the picks to be pretty high. I don't expect Johnson's value to rise any higher than it is currently. This is my reasoning
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Be careful, He has friends in high places.
Bamac
Footballguy
Denver?
