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2014 Oakland Raiders Regular Season Thread (1 Viewer)

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Daniel Jeremiah: Quarterback Johnny Manziel not a good fit for the Oakland Raiders
01:37 – Daniel Jeremiah and Charles Davis break down why they believe the Oakland Raiders should avoid selecting quarterback Johnny Manziel in the 2014 NFL Draft.
Some real poor analysis here IMO. Saying the Raiders are in "win now mode" and the Schaub addition excludes them from taking a QB at 5 is ridiculous. Schaub will probably start week 1 but he does not HAVE to. They gave up more for Flynn last year and he did not start week 1. And if they took a QB at 5 he would not have to start week 1 either. And yes, they want to win more games than they have the last couple years, but lets face it they are not winning the super bowl and getting the best long term piece at 5 has to be the plan. The reason not to take a QB at 5 is if you do not love any of them, not the reasons they gave.

 
ICON211 said:
Faust said:
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Daniel Jeremiah: Quarterback Johnny Manziel not a good fit for the Oakland Raiders
01:37 – Daniel Jeremiah and Charles Davis break down why they believe the Oakland Raiders should avoid selecting quarterback Johnny Manziel in the 2014 NFL Draft.
Some real poor analysis here IMO. Saying the Raiders are in "win now mode" and the Schaub addition excludes them from taking a QB at 5 is ridiculous. Schaub will probably start week 1 but he does not HAVE to. They gave up more for Flynn last year and he did not start week 1. And if they took a QB at 5 he would not have to start week 1 either. And yes, they want to win more games than they have the last couple years, but lets face it they are not winning the super bowl and getting the best long term piece at 5 has to be the plan. The reason not to take a QB at 5 is if you do not love any of them, not the reasons they gave.
This just means they like Manziel. I'm surprised they haven't started hyping Carr to the Raiders more.

 
ICON211 said:
Faust said:
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Daniel Jeremiah: Quarterback Johnny Manziel not a good fit for the Oakland Raiders
01:37 – Daniel Jeremiah and Charles Davis break down why they believe the Oakland Raiders should avoid selecting quarterback Johnny Manziel in the 2014 NFL Draft.
Some real poor analysis here IMO. Saying the Raiders are in "win now mode" and the Schaub addition excludes them from taking a QB at 5 is ridiculous. Schaub will probably start week 1 but he does not HAVE to. They gave up more for Flynn last year and he did not start week 1. And if they took a QB at 5 he would not have to start week 1 either. And yes, they want to win more games than they have the last couple years, but lets face it they are not winning the super bowl and getting the best long term piece at 5 has to be the plan. The reason not to take a QB at 5 is if you do not love any of them, not the reasons they gave.
I don't necessarily disagree with Jeremiah either about the Raiders being in "win now mode". Mark Davis has already thrown out the gauntlet that he expects significant improvement and there would be no excuses accepted after two years of deconstruction (well honestly one year), a close to full draft hoard, and $60 million in cap space. Reggie is under a ton of pressure to win to keep his job.

It's a bad comparison of Schaub to Flynn. In Flynn's case, he had 2 games of NFL starting experience and was clearly the stopgap solution going into last year. Schaub is seen as something much more long term than Flynn was ever mentioned as. Dennis Allen has already come out and called him the defacto starter, never mind anything that happens in the draft. He thinks he has a 2-3 year window with Schaub. Enough time to groom a rookie QB and patiently wait for him to develop.

I've already said in this thread many times how I'd like us to take Teddy Bridgewater if he falls to us at pick 5. I still wouldn't mind that. But if you read the tea leaves, there are too many really good impact players that will be on the board at pick 5. Watson, Mack, Robinson, and Matthews all should be in play as well as Teddy and maybe even Manziel. But I don't see the dropoff at the QB position as significant enough to warrant reaching for one at pick 5 when there is all sorts of blue chip talent there at other positions.

Another reason I see us skipping on a first round QB, is the pressure that the Raider fanbase will put on Schaub to perform or get out of the game should he stumble out of the gate. Taking a first round QB will only incite a QB controversy. There should be some good QB's available in the third round, and who knows, maybe even Teddy B will be available on day 2? The smart play is waiting on QB and gobbling up the blue chip talent at other positions that are on obvious highly steeped tiers. Rather than take a good QB that doesn't have a lot of dropoff to the next guy on the same tier. Guys like Watkins, Mack, Robinson, Matthews. Bortles, Bridgewater, Manziel will be overdrafted in the early first round. I like them all, but they cost too much relative to the talent around them.

 
Another reason I see us skipping on a first round QB, is the pressure that the Raider fanbase will put on Schaub to perform or get out of the game should he stumble out of the gate. Taking a first round QB will only incite a QB controversy. There should be some good QB's available in the third round, and who knows, maybe even Teddy B will be available on day 2? The smart play is waiting on QB and gobbling up the blue chip talent at other positions that are on obvious highly steeped tiers. Rather than take a good QB that doesn't have a lot of dropoff to the next guy on the same tier. Guys like Watkins, Mack, Robinson, Matthews. Bortles, Bridgewater, Manziel will be overdrafted in the early first round. I like them all, but they cost too much relative to the talent around them.
I am not passing on a QB because of any factor involving Matt Schaub. We are talking about a guy who was terrible last year and will be 33 when the season starts. They also made sure he can be released after one year without any impact so they can not be too sold he is a long term answer.

By many accounts this is the deepest draft in a long time overall taking every position into account. I do not see the highly steeped tiers. Of course the most highly rated players will be drafted first at any position, including QB, which is obviously the most important position.

You listed every player that is supposed to go in the top 5 except Clowney as a guy that will be "overdrafted." Who do you want to take at 5 if not one of those players?

I am not saying take a QB just to take one, but if they love Manziel, Bortles or Bridgewater and the guy they like is there at 5 they should take him. I do not view the QB prospects as interchangeable where you just wait and take the next guy on your board. Maybe they do not love any of them, which is fine. But, if they do they should not pass on him at 5.

 
Another reason I see us skipping on a first round QB, is the pressure that the Raider fanbase will put on Schaub to perform or get out of the game should he stumble out of the gate. Taking a first round QB will only incite a QB controversy. There should be some good QB's available in the third round, and who knows, maybe even Teddy B will be available on day 2? The smart play is waiting on QB and gobbling up the blue chip talent at other positions that are on obvious highly steeped tiers. Rather than take a good QB that doesn't have a lot of dropoff to the next guy on the same tier. Guys like Watkins, Mack, Robinson, Matthews. Bortles, Bridgewater, Manziel will be overdrafted in the early first round. I like them all, but they cost too much relative to the talent around them.
I am not passing on a QB because of any factor involving Matt Schaub. We are talking about a guy who was terrible last year and will be 33 when the season starts. They also made sure he can be released after one year without any impact so they can not be too sold he is a long term answer.

By many accounts this is the deepest draft in a long time overall taking every position into account. I do not see the highly steeped tiers. Of course the most highly rated players will be drafted first at any position, including QB, which is obviously the most important position.

You listed every player that is supposed to go in the top 5 except Clowney as a guy that will be "overdrafted." Who do you want to take at 5 if not one of those players?

I am not saying take a QB just to take one, but if they love Manziel, Bortles or Bridgewater and the guy they like is there at 5 they should take him. I do not view the QB prospects as interchangeable where you just wait and take the next guy on your board. Maybe they do not love any of them, which is fine. But, if they do they should not pass on him at 5.
I don't think they love any of the QB's in the draft. They like them enough, but not enough to invest a top 5 pick. As for Clowney, I don't even dare to dream about any scenario where he falls to us. He's likely the #1 overall pick and probably the top man on every team's draft board ahead of us. Only way we get Clowney is to trade up for him. I like the QB's in this draft, especially Bridgewater. But I don't view any of them as capable of taking a team on his back and willing it to the Super Bowl. I feel as though the Raiders aren't in love with any QB either. But no doubt we will use at least one draft pick later on one.

 
I am not passing on a QB because of any factor involving Matt Schaub.
100%.

I think Schaub is seen as a 1-2 year bridge to whatever. With the #5 pick, the Raiders aren't guaranteed to get anyone, so I have zero problem with picking up Schaub for next to nothing.

At this point, I am hoping for Clowney, Watkins, Mack, probably in that order, and will be watching the QBs.

Nightmare scenario is QB gets drafted, current regime gets fired, and new regime isn't in love with young QB.

 
Nightmare scenario is QB gets drafted, current regime gets fired, and new regime isn't in love with young QB.
If we go with this scenario that the regime is fired at the end of the season, then the drafted QB probably didn't show very well or at all, and it's likely he gets the cold shoulder as the next GM installs "his QB". Same song and dance. Nightmare scenario is just another day at the office.

 
2014 NFL Draft - The case for drafting Teddy Bridgewater - ESPNThe Parcells rules

In his long tenure as a successful talent evaluator, Hall of Fame coach Bill Parcells came up with a list of seven criteria he used when drafting quarterbacks.

1. Be a three-year starter

2. Be a senior in college

3. Graduate from college

4. Start 30 games

5. Win 23 games

6. Post a 2-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio

7. Tally a completion rate of 60 percent or higher

Different eras of passing can lead to reasonable questions about how the rules are applied, but the idea behind them is important: It should help you find a durable, accurate and self-motivated passer who can hit big plays while avoiding mistakes and who will finish what he starts.

It is extremely difficult to find first-round-caliber quarterbacks who meet all seven rules. In the BCS era (which encompasses the 1999 through 2013 NFL drafts), only nine players can make the claim to have done this (listed alphabetically): Drew Brees, Robert Griffin III, Byron Leftwich, Matt Leinart, Andrew Luck, Eli Manning, Chad Pennington, Philip Rivers and Tim Tebow.

That group includes two quarterbacks who have won a combined three Super Bowls rings and three Super Bowl MVP awards (Brees and Manning), a player with five playoff berths and 79 wins as a starter (Rivers), another with playoff berths in all four years he started 10 or more games (Pennington), and two of the best young passing talents in the NFL (Griffin and Luck). In other words, six out of these nine prospects turned out to be pretty good picks.

Bridgewater was a three-year starter with 36 starts and 27 wins, a 72-24 touchdown-to-interception ratio and a 68.4 percent career completion percentage. He also graduated in December 2013 with a degree in sports administration, thus becoming the first member of his family to graduate from college.

The only area he comes up short in is being in his senior season before entering the NFL draft. That seemed to be something of a technicality, so I checked with Parcells, who responded: "I would give him a pass since he graduated. That shows motivation there."

Bad decision rate

Bad decision rate is a tape-based metric that measures how often a quarterback makes a mental error with the football that leads to a turnover opportunity for the opposing team.

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Teddy Bridgewater had a very productive career at Louisville.

This metric is important because it illustrates how adept a passer is at protecting the football. The bar for excellence here can vary depending on the type of system a quarterback plays in. In dink-and-dunk offenses, any BDR total of less than 2 percent is considered upper-tier and scoring around 1 percent is considered elite. For gunslingers, finishing below the 3 percent BDR level is a sign of superb play and scoring below 2 percent is elite.

In his games against teams from BCS-caliber conferences, Bridgewater amassed an incredibly low 0.6 percent BDR. He had zero mistakes of this nature on short passes (aerials thrown 10 or fewer yards downfield) and had an astonishingly low 1.8 percent BDR on vertical passes (those thrown 11 or more yards).

This stacks up extremely well against some of the best college QB seasons in recent memory, including Luck in 2011 (2.9 percent BDR, 1.6 percent vertical BDR), Griffin in 2011 (3.1 percent BDR, 7.0 percent vertical BDR) and Cam Newton in 2010 (1.7 percent BDR, 3.0 percent vertical BDR).

Bridgewater's performance in this area might be even better than Griffin's or Newton's in the sense that he posted his BDR totals in a vertically based pro-style NFL offense versus the offenses Griffin and Newton played in. All quarterbacks have to make an adjustment upon joining the NFL, but this quality decision-making history bodes very well for Bridgewater to keep his mistake totals at a more than acceptable level in the pros.

Performance when blitzed/under duress

Bridgewater also displayed a Tom Brady-like ability to produce in situations when the other team blitzed or when the pocket collapsed and he was under pass-rush duress.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, last season Bridgewater posted a 70.1 percent completion rate (second in the nation) and an 11.0 YPA (yards per attempt) mark when the opposing team sent five or more pass-rushers. Those aerials additionally netted an amazing 15-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio.

Bridgewater completed 53.5 percent of his passes when under duress (defined as situations when a quarterback is forced from the pocket, forced to alter his throwing motion, forced to move within the pocket because of pressure, having a defender clear in his line of sight or being hit while throwing), a mark that ranked third nationally.

Size

Perhaps the biggest concern that has been raised about Bridgewater is that his lean frame could prevent him from being able to stay healthy for 16-game NFL seasons year after year. But, although it's true he doesn't have the prototypical 6-foot-4, 239-pound frame of someone such as Luck, the reality of the situation is he more than measures up in this area. His 6-2 height, which hasn't been as much of a concern, places him equal to Andy Dalton, Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers and Griffin. He also is taller than Brees (6-0) and current Super Bowl champion quarterback Russell Wilson (5-11).

Bridgewater will need to put on some weight, as his 214-pound measurement at the combine and 208-pound measurement at his pro day are on the small side, but even if he bulks up to just 225 pounds for his NFL career, it would make him equal in weight to Rodgers and Brady and heavier than Sam Bradford (224 pounds), Jay Cutler (220), Dalton (220), Eli Manning (218), Matt Ryan (217), Alex Smith (217), Griffin (217), Brees (209) and Wilson (206). What this shows is Bridgewater can land anywhere within these parameters and be of comparable bulk to some of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.

Ultimately, his frame is a factor worth considering, but I don't think it should be considered a giant red flag that prevents him from being drafted early.

Bottom line

There is no guarantee Bridgewater will become an elite NFL passer, and factors such as his lean frame and subpar pro-day workout appear to be causing some significant reservations for teams considering drafting him. But this is a player who rates out very well in two of the most critical factors to quarterback success -- decision-making and performance under pressure -- and who possesses the experience and intangibles to succeed at the next level. History shows players of this caliber are very rare, and that scarcity should make Bridgewater one of the top picks in the 2014 NFL draft. If he slides down the board at all, he could develop into one of this year's draft steals.
 
The Skinny On TeddyJanuary 2, 2014 by Greg A. BedardORLANDO — He’s boring compared to the what-will-he-do-next flash of Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel. He looks like a skinny bookworm next to the natural, all-around talent of UCLA’s Brett Hundley. And he hasn’t had many chances to exhibit the clutchness of Central Florida’s Blake Bortles.

Compared on film to other potential quarterbacks in his draft class, Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater doesn’t jump off the screen. But NFL teams still like what they see, and when they dig a little deeper, that like will turn to love.

Though he only turned 21 in November, there is no draftable quarterback more ready to be a face-of-the-franchise quarterback than Bridgewater. And he’s coming: Bridgewater announced Wednesday his decision to turn pro.

“Wait until [teams] talk to him and get him up on the blackboard,” said an NFL personnel executive who has known Bridgewater since ninth grade. “He lives and breathes football. Always has. Teams are going to fall in love with him.”

That just begins to tell the tale of the football goodness that resides in the body of Bridgewater, who could land with the Texans as the top overall pick. Former Penn State coach and Patriots offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien will be the next coach in Houston, and he’ll get his pick of the quarterback litter. O’Brien, from being around Tom Brady, knows what greatness is and what it takes to get to that level. Expect O’Brien to like what he sees in Bridgewater. The more you learn about the Cardinals quarterback, the more you realize he shares may of the same qualities that made Brady, another skinny prospect who lacked the prototypical measurables, one of the greatest ever.

No one’s saying Bridgewater is destined for greatness; so many other factors determine ultimate success. But there’s little question that Bridgewater looks headed in that direction because of a terrific foundation rarely seen.

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Bridgewater has had autonomy at the line of scrimmage since he was a sophomore and is asked to make more reads under center than any QB prospect in recent memory. (David E. Klutho/SI)Bridgewater always has been mature beyond his years. His parents divorced when he was young, but he never let it affect him. Bridgewater was informed by his mother, Rose Murphy, that she had breast cancer when he was 14, just as he was entering Miami’s Northwestern High School. Bridgewater wanted to quit football to help pay the bills, but his mother never entertained the thought.

After a standout high school career, Bridgewater decided to decommit from the hometown Hurricanes—an extremely unpopular decision in the neighborhood—and go to Louisville. And in an example of his unflinching belief in his own talent, Bridgewater graduated high school early and enrolled at Louisville in the spring to position himself to win the starting job as a freshman. He earned it by the third game, and he never gave it up.

That’s just a brief glimpse into Bridgewater’s background. To explain why he is ready right now to lead an NFL franchise, both on and off the field, you have to begin with Cardinals offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach Shawn Watson.

Off the field, Watson has filled the father-figure role in Bridgewater’s life. Neither can mention the other without tears streaming down their faces. “I love this kid,” Watson said, after Bridgewater and the Cardinals dismantled the Hurricanes 36-9 in the Russell Athletic Bowl. “He’s like my own.”

On the field, it’s been a perfect marriage. Watson began his career in the mid-1980s as an assistant at the University of Illinois under West Coast offense guru Mike White, who also had future NFL coaches Bill Callahan and Brad Childress on staff. At Louisville, Watson installed the same pro-style West Coast offense. While other college quarterbacks are looking to the sideline for their on-field adjustments, Bridgewater does it all by himself.

“I gave him the keys to the car as a sophomore,” said Watson, who has been a coach for 32 years. “I had never done that before.”

Bridgewater has vast responsibility at the line of scrimmage. First there is the kill system. Two or three plays are called in the huddle. Depending on the defense, Bridgewater has the ability to “kill” the first play, and run one of the others. It’s solely Bridgewater’s decision.


“Teddy’s been taught from day one that I want him to be the coordinator at the line of scrimmage because he can be far better than me.” —Shawn Watson

Bridgewater also has an audible system at his disposal, with the same goal as every good NFL system: stay out of bad plays. If the play Watson has called has little chance of success against a particular defense, Bridgewater can change the play entirely at the line of scrimmage.

Finally, Bridgewater redirects the offensive line protections by either identifying the middle linebacker in man-to-man protections, or directing the slide one way or the other in zone.

You’d be hard-pressed to find many, if any, college quarterbacks that are asked to do that much, especially at 21 years old and in a completely full-field read progression system. Most of the recent top drafted quarterbacks, like E.J. Manuel, Geno Smith and Robert Griffin III, came from systems that called for quarterbacks to only read half or a quarter of the field. Bridgewater has the ability to direct the ball to any part of the field on every snap.

“I study pro ball, that’s what I do, that’s my passion, my love. (NFL coaches) are the best at what they do, so I’ve made it what we do,” Watson said. “Most of these kids in college, the coordinator calls it from the press box and then there’s a signal system once the defense declares. The quarterback never gets developed, never gets taught. Teddy’s been taught from day one that I want him to be the coordinator at the line of scrimmage because he can be far better than me. And he can put the ball wherever he thinks is right.”

Bridgewater’s been doing that for two years. This past season, he made just three mental mistakes when it came to adjustments at the line of scrimmage.

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After every series, Bridgewater puts on a headset to go over each play with the offensive coordinator, who watches from the coaches box. (Al Tielemans/SI)As far as physically playing quarterback, many questions will linger in terms of Bridgewater’s measurables. He is certainly tall enough—he’s listed at 6-3, looks closer to 6-2—and has long arms, but he’s skinny at a listed 196 pounds. There’s no question he needs more strength for durability, but he’s still growing into his body and will benefit from an NFL training program.

A few NFL scouts have questioned the size of Bridgewater’s hands, which probably isn’t helped by the fact that he wears two gloves. (He’s done it since high school and it’s just a preference.)

“His hands are big enough. He has big hands, huge hands,” Watson said.

What you can’t help but marvel at with Bridgewater is how technically proficient he is at playing the position, especially at his age. From footwork to his release and subtle, yet important movements, Bridgewater is polished like few are. He’ll move a safety with a look to one side of the field, then fire the ball into the opening he just created. Bridgewater’s footwork selling a screen or play fake is exquisite. He always throws a tight spiral, rarely throws off balance, and he is not afraid to fit a ball into a tight window or throw deep. When it comes to facing pressure, Bridgewater is cold-blooded. He can move and create plays when he needs to, but Bridgewater lives in the pocket. No matter how the game is influenced by college offenses, that always will be of vital importance to the viability of a franchise quarterback.

Bridgewater does all that by showing the accuracy that NFL teams crave. For his career, Bridgewater completed 68.3 percent of his passes. Since posting 64.5 percent as a true freshman and after a come-to-Jesus exhaustive critique of Bridgewater’s game by Watson, Bridgewater completed 69.7 percent of his passes, including 71 percent this past season.

Both Watson and Bridgewater went into this season with a goal of throwing zero interceptions. Bridgewater threw four and two were off tips. Bridgewater went from throwing 14 touchdowns and 12 interceptions as a freshman, to 58 touchdowns and 12 interceptions his final two seasons combined.

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Shawn Watson has served as Louisville’s offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach since 2011. (Timothy D. Easley/AP)His superb attention to detail in his game shows his ability to not only take coaching, but also devour it and make it a passion.

“That’s what I love about him the most, that’s the student aspect of it that I just love,” Watson said. “Because when he’s covered, he goes to his checkdown. When he gets in trouble, there’s pressure, he goes to his checkdown. He doesn’t try to create something that can hurt a football team with forced throws. He’s the greatest manager in college football. There’s nobody better than him in college football. There’s a lot of great players out there, but he’s the best.”

That comes from the other essential part of who Bridgewater is and will be on the next level: the desire to be great. “He came to me and said he wanted to chase perfection,” Watson said.

When Bridgewater got his first glimpse of Watson’s full-field progression offense, he had never seen anything like it. He was overwhelmed. So Watson told Bridgewater to start doodling: take a pad of formations, with just the offensive line printed, and draw the offense. Bridgewater recited a play and then drew it: receivers and routes, he’d identify the movement key (the defensive player they’re reading), what the progression off that movement key is, the alerts, depth of drop—every single detail.

Bridgewater quickly filled up a pad and was bored by it. He needed more competition—another pillar of Bridgewater’s being—so Bridgewater put the entire Louisville offense into his Xbox football game. Then he put in the game plans for each game and threw against the coverages he would see.

“He just doesn’t stop,” Watson said.

Bridgewater also rarely loses, at anything. Receiver Damian Copeland is the only person to ever beat Bridgewater on the Xbox—on a controversial call Bridgewater still brings up—and no one has beaten Bridgewater since. He takes on all comers in the Thursday practice ritual of trying to hit the uprights from various distances. Bridgewater never stops competing.

But it is Bridgewater’s always-working mind that sets him apart. He’s a bit of savant that way. After every series, Watson and Bridgewater go over each play. He has instant recall of the coverages. When the team installs the top 25 plays for each game plan, Bridgewater barks out the play from memory before Watson can look down at his playsheet. “I swear he has a photographic memory,” Watson said. “He’s extremely intelligent.”

What other factors do you want to see in a franchise quarterback? Bridgewater has it all.

The ability to be a team leader and face of a franchise at a young age?

Everyone around the program agrees that Bridgewater has the type of infectious personality that naturally draws players to him. There are bound to be some rough patches, but Bridgewater will do what he always does: learn from his mistakes, move on by turning the page, and never make the same mistake twice.

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Bridgewater has been the leader of the Cardinals offense ever since he won the starting quarterback job as a freshman. (David E. Klutho/SI)Unselfish, team-first attitude?

Bridgewater personally pulled the plug on Louisville’s Heisman Trophy campaign. He didn’t want it to be a distraction to his teammates, or for them to feel that he was better than any of them.

Toughness?

With the Big East title and BCS berth on the line in a 2012 showdown with Rutgers, Bridgewater took the field with a severely sprained ankle and broken left wrist and completed 20 of 28 passes (71.4 percent) for 263 yards and two touchdowns in a 20-17 comeback victory.

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The inner belief in one’s ability. The never-ending quest for perfection at playing the position. An almost unhealthy competitive streak. The ability to lead. The desire not to be seen as being better than one’s teammate. Undeniable toughness.

Those are the traits that the great NFL quarterbacks have. Bridgewater possesses them as well. There will be much said over the next few months, in the run-up to the draft in May, about what Bridgewater might lack in prototypical arm strength, size and other things you can see. But he possesses the potential for greatness because of the things you can’t.
 
Struggling in workouts probably doesn't mean a lot in the grand scheme (his game tape tells the true story) but the idea that he could take a Geno-esque slide is very intriguing.

Even after struggling at his Pro Day, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported Friday that Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater's private workouts with NFL clubs "have also gone very shakily."
Mort believes Bridgewater's forthcoming draft-day slide won't occur solely because of his Pro Day. He says Bridgewater's private passing sessions with teams have been underwhelming, too. Mortensen added that teams remain concerned with Bridgewater's smallish hands. Once considered the likely No. 1 overall pick, Bridgewater's fall could ultimately mimic Geno Smith's from last year.
 
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Boy, that article really puts a damper on Schaub's prospects of bouncing back. Warner is the only player on the list that became a quality starter on another team. When you factor in Schaub's injury history I am not feeling optimistic.
Me either. Kind of makes me wonder if Giants fans are panicking, as Eli was almost as bad last year.
Five lingering questions: Eli Manning
 
It is a shame the Raiders couldn't keep Palmer. That might be as bad as losing Veldheer and Houston.

 
dunno what date the podcast was but one of the 1st draft guys on ESPN (i think) said regarding Bridgewater that watching his tape that his receivers were open almost all the time. I guess he was alluding to Bridgewater not having made many tough throws. Havent heard this from anyone else or if it relevant for the Raiders but just putting it out there.

Also Lammey said this week on the Audible that Mark Davis is getting ready for an inheritance tax bill to arrive. Again the 1st i have heard of this.

Can anyone here add to this?

 
Sarlakticacid said:
one of the 1st draft guys on ESPN (i think) said regarding Bridgewater that watching his tape that his receivers were open almost all the time.
I've read this too and I think it's a two-sided coin. Why are his WRs so open so often? It's because he has the pre- and post-snap mental capacity to identify the open WR in the play schematic, based on the defense he's facing. He does this at a level rarely seen by college (and even pro) QBs.

 
Accuracy, not in question.

Experience, not in question.

Character, not in question.

Football smarts, not in question.

Kid is a gym rat, that eats and breathes the game, has accuracy (which has about as good a chance of being improved in the NFL as SPEED does), and has shown a great feel for the game, touch on his passes, and command of a pro offense.

Skinnier than you would like? OK. What I keep thinking about: With as much as the NFL protects QBs now, this is as good a time as any to not be a 235 pound QB. QBs don't take the hits they used to.

I have definitely bought into the talk that QBs will fall. But I don't believe that Teddy falls to round 2. I think a team late in the first, with a 33+ year old QB takes him. Pats/Broncos/whomever. And everyone will immediately hail it as a genius pick.

 
....and If the Raiders take Teddy B at pick 5 the SP, NFL pundits, and TV talking heads will all say we reached. Can't try to win them over, it's pointless.

 
He's only 21 and still room to grow. If he was bigger we'd have no shot at him at pick 5. So it's a bit of a double edge sword. I don't think the Raiders will take a QB early, but I'd be pleasantly suprised if they took Bridgewater.

 
I've already mentally prepared myself for TB being there at 5 and us passing on him. I suggest you guys do the same despite our developing lovefest for the kid.

Right now I'm looking forward to drafting him on cheap in my 2 QB league after he lands on the Vikings.

 
Jordan Matthews visiting today.

My wet dream...

1.5 Teddy Bridgewater

2.5 Jordan Matthews

Sadly though, we've had visits from Carr, Manziel and Bortles, but not Teddy. Either that's a smokescreen or the Raiders have decided they're not interested. :kicksrock:

 
Anyone see Latavius Murray as the starter in 2015 and beyond?
It is too early to say. We haven't seen much of Murray yet since he was injured his entire rookie season. It all probably depends on how he and others like MJD and DMC perform this season.

 
Word is the Seahawks and 9ers both had an interest in Pryor. Some speculation that DM could be packaged with a seventh round pick to mive up the draft. And speaking of the draft, it wouldn't surprise me if they take a long look at Aaron Donald in the first round. He is an impact player at a position of need. He would immediately improve the pass rush up the middle. This kid is a player!

 
I'm not really buying the Denarius trade scenarios. This stuff started as speculation, pure and simple. It has hung around, but there is no Raider source, which is normal, but no 'league source' that says the Raiders are shopping him.

He had a bounce back year. Still their best WR.

How much could we get for him? How much can we get for him, in the strongest WR draft in years?

Anything less than a 3rd, why bother getting rid of one of their best offensive weapons? Is he a #1 WR? Heck no. But he's cheap, and probably won't cost much to re-sign.

 
So does Pryor's departure mean we're more likely or less likely to move on Bortles, Manziel, or Bridgewater in the first?
I think the Raiders will for sure draft a QB but not neccesarily in the 1st round. Probably more likely in the 3rd or 4th round unless somehow Carr is still there in the 2nd round when they pick then I wouldn't be surprised if they pull the trigger on Carr at that point.

 
So does Pryor's departure mean we're more likely or less likely to move on Bortles, Manziel, or Bridgewater in the first?
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ESPN's Adam Schefter said he expects Jadeveon Clowney, Greg Robinson, Khalil Mack, and Sammy Watkins to be the first 4 picks in the draft.
In this scenario, the Raiders will have their pick of QB in the first round. I think they likely would trade back with someone who really wants one of the QB's, or stay put and take Matthews. I'm not a fan of Manziel, but I'm hoping his draft stock rises to whip up some good trade bait. No telling what Reggie is going to do. Everyone seems to "know", but nobody really does.

 
I might have been the last guy holding out hope that Pryor could end up being a good NFL QB. But as the games went on last year, it was clear that wasn't going to happen. His pure athletic ability covered up a lack of skills required to be the passer most hoped for.

I'm happy that he has been traded for the simple fact that the team can now focus on Schaub +McGloin + ________ for the near, and hopefully long term, future at the QB spot.

 
So does Pryor's departure mean we're more likely or less likely to move on Bortles, Manziel, or Bridgewater in the first?
I don't think it has any bearing on that at all. They're happy to have gotten anything for him and were going to release him regardless. I'm really hoping the browns take a qb, leaving one of the consensus top 4 for us.

 
Interesting view from Ian Rapoport on twitter: "One reason #Raiders traded Pryor: The Tebow Effect. he was so popular with fans, but wasn't on the field, he become divisive. Not his fault'

 
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So does Pryor's departure mean we're more likely or less likely to move on Bortles, Manziel, or Bridgewater in the first?
I don't think it has any bearing on that at all. They're happy to have gotten anything for him and were going to release him regardless.I'm really hoping the browns take a qb, leaving one of the consensus top 4 for us.
not gonna happen.

 
I might have been the last guy holding out hope that Pryor could end up being a good NFL QB. But as the games went on last year, it was clear that wasn't going to happen. His pure athletic ability covered up a lack of skills required to be the passer most hoped for.

I'm happy that he has been traded for the simple fact that the team can now focus on Schaub +McGloin + ________ for the near, and hopefully long term, future at the QB spot.
I don't know how you can be happy with McGloin. He was horrible and I saw nothing in the games to suggest to me that he has potential. At least Pryor had all of that ability bursting at the seems even if he obviously could not really get it together to be a starting QB. He should be ejected from the roster the first chance we get.

Schaub is a bandaid- best available option to us to plug in and not be forced to take a QB no matter what in the first round. I am hoping for the best with him but my actual expectation is more along the lines of being servicable.

 
McGloin was hardly "horrible" last year, particularly if the comparison is with Pryor. McGloin had a better comp%, YPA%, TD% and lower INT% than Pryor. Pryor's only saving grace was his mobility. The fact is Pryor regressed badly later in the season after teams started overplaying him to his right. This exposed all of Pryor's short comings. and due to poor coaching prior to the NFL I doubt Pryor achieves anything higher than backup QB status.

I am not particularly optimistic about Schaub next year thanks to Faust's post: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000340761/article/oakland-raiders-matt-schaub-broken-beyond-repair

Bottom line is odds are against Schaub being effective and ultimately I think we see McGloin or a QB not currently on the roster under center as the 2014 season unfolds.

 
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I might have been the last guy holding out hope that Pryor could end up being a good NFL QB. But as the games went on last year, it was clear that wasn't going to happen. His pure athletic ability covered up a lack of skills required to be the passer most hoped for.

I'm happy that he has been traded for the simple fact that the team can now focus on Schaub +McGloin + ________ for the near, and hopefully long term, future at the QB spot.
I don't know how you can be happy with McGloin. He was horrible and I saw nothing in the games to suggest to me that he has potential. At least Pryor had all of that ability bursting at the seems even if he obviously could not really get it together to be a starting QB. He should be ejected from the roster the first chance we get.

Schaub is a bandaid- best available option to us to plug in and not be forced to take a QB no matter what in the first round. I am hoping for the best with him but my actual expectation is more along the lines of being servicable.
Don't think I said I was happy WITH McGloin. I'm just happy to have the distraction removed if the team never had an intent to invest any time in Pryor.

 

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