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2014 Oakland Raiders Regular Season Thread (1 Viewer)

Fantasy-wise, FBG has Streater ranked slightly ahead of Holmes. I'm not seeing it. Rod is a nice, reliable target but there's nothing really noteworthy about him I think Holmes has the chance to be special. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
Streater - the most under-rated WR in the NFL...even by their own fans!
He's underrated? I'd be curious to hear how highly you'd rank him. Above other players perceived to be better than him? Such as ____________?

And what do you see his final numbers looking like?

P.S. It's not like I said he was garbage. I think he's just a guy. And Holmes is more talented.
Holmes is talent, but inconsistent. Even last year he only caught 48% of his passes. He's been cut by the Vikings, Cowboys (after a lot of hype for Anthony Armstrong mid-season) and the Patriots. Maybe it will finally click for him this year but I'm not going to hold my breath.

 
He played at Hillsdale College, man. We're not talking about the Crimson Tide here. Sometimes it's gonna take a while for a raw talent. I can name ten guys off the top of my head who were cut early in their career, then went on to be great. I'm standing on the table for this kid's potential.

ETA: I hope you're absolutely right about Streater. If he's excellent, then he's helping us win. I just take issue with him being "underrated"... I think he's "rated" fairly. :shrug:

 
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Holmes is on his 4th team in 4 years. There's usually a reason teams give up on a player. When 3 teams do it, that's a pretty big red flag. He looked awful in the first preseason game when Schaub threw a backhsoulder throw and he was clueless of it coming, his body and hands were completely unprepared for the ball. He's been inconsistent at best in training camp and some of the beats openly questioned whether his roster spot was secure. Now it seems he's at least locked up a roster spot, but doghouse guys like Denarius are outperfoming him in games where it matters. We haven't seen much of Streater this preseason, and that's a good thing if you haven't drafted yet. I agree with cstu's prediction for Streater. He's put on a lot of muscle to his frame and still has the 4.4 speed. He now looks like an Andre Johnson clone. A poor man's Johnson, no doubt, but Schaub is going to vapor lock on him a lot. I think 1000 yards is a baseline assuming he doesn't get hurt. Holmes is JAG. Lot of hype built off a nationally televised breakout performance with Matt McGloin throwing to him often on Thanksgiving. As a Raider, I'm rooting for him to be a stud, but I'll be putting my fantasy chips on Streater when money is on the line.

 
So...

Davis says he is not renewing the lease.

Rumors of a move to Los Angeles now. Possibly using San Antonio as a bargaining chip to try to get a better deal out of LA?

Either way, looks like Oakland Raider football is dead.

 
I just want the Raiders to play in a modern stadium. In Oakland, LA, wherever. I'm a Raiders fan no matter where they call home.

 
LA is the only real option for them. It would be foolish to pass up on the one market that already has a built in fan base. If only they could get a green light on a downtown stadium.

 
Schaub is a zombie.

WRs look terrible, except for James Jones. I still like Streater and Butler, but you can have the rest.

Pass blocking and secondary are looking equally terrible.

Carr finally showed some touch on the TD pass. I liked the kid's moxie last night, but I'm still not sold.

McGloin continues to the best QB on the roster.

Khalil Mack already getting double-teamed. Interdasting.

Pass rush looked ferocious on the one play with Mack and Woodley on the ends and Smith and Tuck inside. They called it the "NASCAR" formation. Need to see a lot of that this season on passing downs.

Get Gabe Jackson in the starting lineup already. He looked leaps and bounds better than Barnes. Menelik Watson is looking like a liability and starting to smell busty.

 
That first quarter was really discouraging. By my unofficial count the Raiders have given up TDs in 3 of the 4 opponent first string offenses. Not good.

Schaub is uninspiring, at best, and does not make the players around him better.

Tough to be optimistic after that 1st quarter.

 
I echo those sentiments. On offense the running game looks solid with MJD and DMAC looking fresh and healthy. But Schaub looks like the same QB that got benched last season. And the pass blocking looks horrible, poor Carr got squashed a-la Rich Gannon did vs the Ravens back in the day. The secondary is going to be the Achilles heel of this team and what will probably lead to the teams demise. Tarrell Brown is a liability. They continually will get shredded by any halfway decent QB in this now pass-happy league. Still don't know why they didn't go after Talib or Revis, with the likes of Manning, Rivers and Brady on their schedule.

 
Wish I could argue with you guys... totally depressing.

We can't stop the pass, but it's okay because our offensive line can't block anyone either.

 
I'd be 100% behind starting Carr in week 1 and getting the future underway. Where is Schaub going to lead this team.... 6-10 at best?

 
I'd be 100% behind starting Carr in week 1 and getting the future underway. Where is Schaub going to lead this team.... 6-10 at best?
Why feed him to the wolves and risk turning him into his brother? Let the OLine figure things out with Schaub as the sacrificial QB then give Carr the last 6 or so starts of the season.
 
I'd be 100% behind starting Carr in week 1 and getting the future underway. Where is Schaub going to lead this team.... 6-10 at best?
Why feed him to the wolves and risk turning him into his brother? Let the OLine figure things out with Schaub as the sacrificial QB then give Carr the last 6 or so starts of the season.
Couple of differences. He's more mobile than his big bro; thus probably more able to run his way out of getting killed. Also, he's in the gun a lot and has a quick release. David was always under center a decade-plus ago. But yeah, who knows. Another lean year coming up any way you cut it.

 
I'd be 100% behind starting Carr in week 1 and getting the future underway. Where is Schaub going to lead this team.... 6-10 at best?
Why feed him to the wolves and risk turning him into his brother? Let the OLine figure things out with Schaub as the sacrificial QB then give Carr the last 6 or so starts of the season.
Couple of differences. He's more mobile than his big bro; thus probably more able to run his way out of getting killed. Also, he's in the gun a lot and has a quick release. David was always under center a decade-plus ago. But yeah, who knows. Another lean year coming up any way you cut it.
No doubt. I have personally always been in the camp of letting a rookie QB sit for a year, or most of a year, and learn the mental aspects of being an NFL QB before putting them under center in a real game.
 
I am trying not to read too much into these games but McGloin has far out shined Schaub in preseason. In the first game vs the Bears, he had an easy TD pass that was dropped, and last night he led a very impressive drive to win the game. (I know , I know, second string and all.) I like Carr's potential but he is not ready and needs to sit.

My vote is to start McGloin and continue to bring Carr up to speed on the NFL. Ultimately I suspect that McGloin will lead the Raiders to more wins this year then Schaub and Carr combined. There I said it.

 
I'd be 100% behind starting Carr in week 1 and getting the future underway. Where is Schaub going to lead this team.... 6-10 at best?
Why feed him to the wolves and risk turning him into his brother? Let the OLine figure things out with Schaub as the sacrificial QB then give Carr the last 6 or so starts of the season.
You both make interesting points and the question is how will it affect the upper echelon of the Raider regime (McKenzie/Allen)?

6-10 probably means both are gone and yet Schaub is the guy one of them (I think Allen) said was about on par with the Mannings and Rivers of the AFC West; the guy who was the unquestioned No. 1 when he was acquired.

But what if he isn't the unquestioned starter if he continues to look like a stiff in the preseason? If you decide to start Carr from the get-go and "get the future underway," you're probably not even finishing 6-10.

Somebody a little further down suggests starting McGloin and that he'll win more than Schaub and Carr combined. But still probably no better than 6-10, especially not with that schedule.

Hope you're renting out there, Dennis and Reggie.

 
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Last year I won a few bucks betting the under on our sad Raider team. The line was 5 1/2 last year.

I hear that this year's line is 4 1/2 and I think it's set perfectly (unfortunately).

They look to be in a similar shambles to last year. Even more new faces (even though they're "winning", experienced faces) and now pile on that the fact that we have such a tough schedule, it's starting feel like a 4 or 5 win season. Again. Ugh.

Would love to turn another miserable season into a few bucks, but I can't comfortably bet the over or under on that line cuz it's such a close call.

 
Watched the game finally.

O line looked awful in pass protection. dbs looked even worse. Schlub was throwing of his back foot, partially because the o line Was so bad, or maybe he just sucks. Kick returns looked awful as well. Running game looked decent. Wr timing seemed off.

This year is going to suck donkey balls.

 
I'll hold out a sliver of hope till I see the regular season product, but it's not looking good. I read yesterday they are not concerned about the possibility of Hayden opening the season on PUP because they like the depth at CB. And I still do not know how Allen said the O line was solid in pass protection after watching the tape from the last game. This coaching staff might just be clueless.

 
It is possible that Schaub is gun shy at this point in his career and feels pressure when there really isn't any.

 
It is possible that Schaub is gun shy at this point in his career and feels pressure when there really isn't any.
I think the pressure was there, but he also might be shot. Trades for Flynn and Schaub.....ugh.
Those don't concern me. Trading 5th and 6th rounders for a shot at a QB that can play are good moves. Even if Schaub fails as hard as Flynn did, there's very little opportunity cost. You know what bugs me? Dumping Carson Palmer for a 7th. This wasn't a guy coming off a train-wreck year like Schaub or a comet from nowhere like Flynn, this was an established guy coming back from a very solid year with a horrible supporting cast. It's just mind-boggling to give up a 5th for a guy that had one good garbage game and turn around and sell a perennial 4k yard passer for a 7th. They actually PAID to downgrade Palmer for Flynn. Imagine had this regime not been morons and kept Palmer and drafted Hopkins at 12 last year?

They should fire everyone. Including Davis. Not sure how you accomplish that, but just get it done. They just got a nice bump by Forbes (28th woo hoo) so maybe Ballmer will come in and excite people. Because there's nothing to look forward to yet.

 
It is possible that Schaub is gun shy at this point in his career and feels pressure when there really isn't any.
I think the pressure was there, but he also might be shot. Trades for Flynn and Schaub.....ugh.
Those don't concern me. Trading 5th and 6th rounders for a shot at a QB that can play are good moves. Even if Schaub fails as hard as Flynn did, there's very little opportunity cost. You know what bugs me? Dumping Carson Palmer for a 7th. This wasn't a guy coming off a train-wreck year like Schaub or a comet from nowhere like Flynn, this was an established guy coming back from a very solid year with a horrible supporting cast. It's just mind-boggling to give up a 5th for a guy that had one good garbage game and turn around and sell a perennial 4k yard passer for a 7th. They actually PAID to downgrade Palmer for Flynn. Imagine had this regime not been morons and kept Palmer and drafted Hopkins at 12 last year?

They should fire everyone. Including Davis. Not sure how you accomplish that, but just get it done. They just got a nice bump by Forbes (28th woo hoo) so maybe Ballmer will come in and excite people. Because there's nothing to look forward to yet.
The talent evaluation is what scares me, not necessarily trading picks.

 
Having watched the Lions game twice, I am not sure I agree about the state of the OLine. I thought Watkins did a decent job. My biggest concern is Barnes. He got two major penalties for illegal hands to the face. When the Raiders replace him in the lineup with Jackson it will be a major step forward.

The INT on the first drive was really JJ's fault. The stinking ball bounce off both of his hands. That said, Schaub looks shot. My biggest concern is our secondary. Rodgers should shred these guys this week.

 
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Hankmoody said:
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Chaka said:
It is possible that Schaub is gun shy at this point in his career and feels pressure when there really isn't any.
I think the pressure was there, but he also might be shot. Trades for Flynn and Schaub.....ugh.
Those don't concern me. Trading 5th and 6th rounders for a shot at a QB that can play are good moves. Even if Schaub fails as hard as Flynn did, there's very little opportunity cost. You know what bugs me? Dumping Carson Palmer for a 7th. This wasn't a guy coming off a train-wreck year like Schaub or a comet from nowhere like Flynn, this was an established guy coming back from a very solid year with a horrible supporting cast. It's just mind-boggling to give up a 5th for a guy that had one good garbage game and turn around and sell a perennial 4k yard passer for a 7th. They actually PAID to downgrade Palmer for Flynn. Imagine had this regime not been morons and kept Palmer and drafted Hopkins at 12 last year?

They should fire everyone. Including Davis. Not sure how you accomplish that, but just get it done. They just got a nice bump by Forbes (28th woo hoo) so maybe Ballmer will come in and excite people. Because there's nothing to look forward to yet.
The talent evaluation is what scares me, not necessarily trading picks.
Agreed... Especially when it comes to QBs. Their choices for starting QBs have been horrible in the post- Al Davis era. I agree with the previous poster, this whole regime needs to go. I'll be honest, when Al passed away, from a football perspective, I was excited for the future of this organization. I thought an overhaul as far as football decision making and talent evaluating was long overdue.

But now, the team is in shambles. Mark, Reggie and Dennis actually made this team worse than how Mr Davis left it. Sure they got out of salary cap hell, but was that their only goal? What about winning? As much as I hate to say this teams like the Broncos are doing it right. Elway saw the future of the NFL, it was turning into a pass-happy league. So what does he do? He sends fan favorite Tebow and the idoit who drafted him on the first bus out of town and pays the best QB in the league $100 mil and sits back and watches them win. Its not complicated. Its frustrating from a fans' perspective, the Raiders have been bad for so long now, they have forgotten how to "just win". Maybe they should just swallow some pride and look outside their organization and see what the successful teams are doing around the league and try that. After 12 years of losing, clearly the Raider way doesn't work anymore.

 
Some important take aways:

Here is an interesting detail worth noting: Matt McGloin has played in five series this preseason. All five have been scoring drives - 44-yard field goal by Kevin Goessling blocked, dropped TD pass to Murphy, 10-yard scramble for TD late (which would have been the game winner had Murphy not dropped the TD pass on the previous drive), 24-yard would-be TD to Simonson (with no-call blow to the head), 21-yard TD pass to Butler. In the preseason where the performance outweighs the score, those would-be scores count - five drives, five scores, four touchdowns. Baller.

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The Raiders first team offensive line struggled with some blitz packages the Lions were sending, but mostly it was the interior line that was getting crossed up. Penn not only didn't give up a pressure, but he was mowing down defenders in run blocking as well.

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The hands to the face penalties in this game were getting out of... hand. The Raiders had a total of four and two of those were Barnes. He also gave up a tackle for loss when his man pushed him into the Raiders backfield to disrupt a stunt play which freed up a defender who stopped Maurice Jones-Drew for a three-yard loss.

 
Some important take aways:

Here is an interesting detail worth noting: Matt McGloin has played in five series this preseason. All five have been scoring drives - 44-yard field goal by Kevin Goessling blocked, dropped TD pass to Murphy, 10-yard scramble for TD late (which would have been the game winner had Murphy not dropped the TD pass on the previous drive), 24-yard would-be TD to Simonson (with no-call blow to the head), 21-yard TD pass to Butler. In the preseason where the performance outweighs the score, those would-be scores count - five drives, five scores, four touchdowns. Baller.

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The Raiders first team offensive line struggled with some blitz packages the Lions were sending, but mostly it was the interior line that was getting crossed up. Penn not only didn't give up a pressure, but he was mowing down defenders in run blocking as well.

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The hands to the face penalties in this game were getting out of... hand. The Raiders had a total of four and two of those were Barnes. He also gave up a tackle for loss when his man pushed him into the Raiders backfield to disrupt a stunt play which freed up a defender who stopped Maurice Jones-Drew for a three-yard loss.
I think it's only a matter of time before Gabe Jackson is the starting LG and Barnes will be relegated to backup duty.

 
Listening to Greg Cosell he said the Vikes and Lions threw a lot of blitzes against the 1st team O. Something that doesnt usually happen in pre season

 
I am not really buying into that line of thought for a couple of reasons. 1) Blitz pick is as fundamental to the pass game as route running. 2) Blitizing is preseason is widely practiced these days. Capers stays blitzing, so the oline better be ready.

 
I am not really buying into that line of thought for a couple of reasons. 1) Blitz pick is as fundamental to the pass game as route running. 2) Blitizing is preseason is widely practiced these days. Capers stays blitzing, so the oline better be ready.
Some teams are more vanilla then others in preseason. Don't take that for me making excuses for the Raiders first team Offense or Defense, however it's true that some teams don't like to tip their hands at all during preseason while others do.

 
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Hoping Schaub flops again and that McGloin keeps ballin this weekend. It's not too late to fix that mistake before it costs us 2014.

 
I came home to a 31-7 score after being out most of the night. Started it from the beginning, and through 1Q, our 1's are hanging with their 1's.

Watching with one eye open just waiting to see how it fell apart.

 

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