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2014 Oakland Raiders Regular Season Thread (1 Viewer)

Schaub made some good throws that were dropped, but he also made some bad ones. I wonder why that happens. Why does he lose it & throw into coverage?

ETA: Defense looks a lot better.

 
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I've never seen so many missed tackles. It seems to be getting worse each week. When I watch other teams play their defenders come up and make tackles and wrap up. Seems like the Raiders really struggle in this fundamental area. Which is probably why Jamaal Charles licks his chops every time he sees them on the schedule.

 
I woke up this morning to a text from my pal in Oakland. He hasn't heard anything specific or definite...but he basically told me certain signs are present that he has come to be familiar with that often precede a move being made. Hold your breath Raider Nation, but he implied that by putting things together in his own mind, he wouldn't be surprised if Oakland is now seriously considering going after Mark Sanchez. Again, this is 100% pure rumor and speculation at this point. I will add that in conversations the last few weeks, he has told me that Oakland loves Carr, but they feel he simply isn't ready to take the reigns just yet, a fact not helped by his minor concussion.

This wasn't the typical intel I get from my pal. This is more of him playing detective a bit. Anyway, just thought I'd share.

 
If they trade for Sanchez I will completely give up on McKenzie. It doesn't take rocket science to recognize that this team doesn't have Chip Kelly.

 
This situation is painfully obvious. Schaub is cooked. Play McGloin early; if/when the team falls out of the playoff race, start Carr. There's a deep pool of QBs coming out next year. Let's evaluate the young guys to make a more informed decision next draft. Stop wasting time with Schaub.

 
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ICON211 said:
Hankmoody said:
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Chaka said:
It is possible that Schaub is gun shy at this point in his career and feels pressure when there really isn't any.
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I think the pressure was there, but he also might be shot. Trades for Flynn and Schaub.....ugh.
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Those don't concern me. Trading 5th and 6th rounders for a shot at a QB that can play are good moves. Even if Schaub fails as hard as Flynn did, there's very little opportunity cost. You know what bugs me? Dumping Carson Palmer for a 7th. This wasn't a guy coming off a train-wreck year like Schaub or a comet from nowhere like Flynn, this was an established guy coming back from a very solid year with a horrible supporting cast. It's just mind-boggling to give up a 5th for a guy that had one good garbage game and turn around and sell a perennial 4k yard passer for a 7th. They actually PAID to downgrade Palmer for Flynn. Imagine had this regime not been morons and kept Palmer and drafted Hopkins at 12 last year?

They should fire everyone. Including Davis. Not sure how you accomplish that, but just get it done. They just got a nice bump by Forbes (28th woo hoo) so maybe Ballmer will come in and excite people. Because there's nothing to look forward to yet.
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The talent evaluation is what scares me, not necessarily trading picks.
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...now, the team is in shambles. Mark, Reggie and Dennis actually made this team worse than how Mr Davis left it. Sure they got out of salary cap hell, but was that their only goal?
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Exactly right. Reggie did the easy part, blowing the team up and getting some money to spend. You could have done that. I could have done that.

Now's the hard part (drafting smart and plucking the right free agents and paying them the right wage) and Reggie appears to be a failure. So much so I'm not sure about Allen. Is he a good coach? Is he not a good coach? Hard to tell when you don't have the players.

Davis was zoned in on Reggie from the start when searching for a GM and he got Madden's seal of approval. Turns out to probably be the wrong move.

We'll see if Davis learns from his mistakes for the next go-around.

 
Meh, Palmer wasn't the answer either. IIRC they had to choose between keeping Palmer or fielding a 53 man roster due to their salary cap issues. Either way it is water under the bridge. I was skeptical about Schaub to begin with and nothing this preseason has changed my mind. I had high hopes for the defense but they have not shown any ability to defend the pass, and they gave up lots of yards on the ground against the Pack.

I have to think that if DA continues to maintain that Schaub is the answer then he is a good bet to be the first coach fired this season. I smell another double digit losing season in our near future.

 
So much doom and gloom in this thread right now. You'd think the season was already lost. I'm not going give you guys any fanboy peptalk, but the sky's not falling. The defense is playing a lot better than last season, despite concerns about the secondary. Sio Moore seems to have escaped serious injury. The LB's are going to be fierce, and Tuck and Woodley and Smith are bringing all kinds of QB pressure, so there will be plays to be made on defense. We don't face Aaron Rodgers type teams the first couple of weeks. It wouldn't shock me if we started 2-0.

Listen, I know we have issues at QB, but if we get some offensive line issues settled, and Olson dials up a regular season batch of play calls, with our run game, we should generate enough offense to slug out some ugly looking wins. Don't throw in the towel yet. You don't get any bonus points for being right that Reggie and DA are bums.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
So much doom and gloom in this thread right now. You'd think the season was already lost. I'm not going give you guys any fanboy peptalk, but the sky's not falling. The defense is playing a lot better than last season, despite concerns about the secondary. Sio Moore seems to have escaped serious injury. The LB's are going to be fierce, and Tuck and Woodley and Smith are bringing all kinds of QB pressure, so there will be plays to be made on defense. We don't face Aaron Rodgers type teams the first couple of weeks. It wouldn't shock me if we started 2-0.

Listen, I know we have issues at QB, but if we get some offensive line issues settled, and Olson dials up a regular season batch of play calls, with our run game, we should generate enough offense to slug out some ugly looking wins. Don't throw in the towel yet. You don't get any bonus points for being right that Reggie and DA are bums.
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If if should some. That's the problem. There's not thing substantial here yet. And there's no answer in view at the only position that can overcome those if's and should's and could's, with a veritable trainwreck being the currently most likely choice.

There's no mitigating an atrocious secondary. No amount of pass rush or LB beasting is going to cover wide open guys running down the field. A bad secondary will give games away, even winnable ones, and this team can't afford that. There are only a handful of winnable games on the schedule in the first place.

This isn't about doom and gloom, its about the reality facing us square on. There is zero reason to think this team will win more than 4 games. There are positive indicators for the longer-term future for sure, but those are going to take time to pay off and then survive a new regime.

 
Pats dumped Tommy Kelly. Was just a matter of time before they got sick of hearing the referee say "Offsides, number 93, defense. First and five."

 
I watched the first half last night and, I can't believe I'm writing this, it wasn't as horrible as I was expecting. Defense did decent job hanging with a top team for 1.5 quarters. Offense started strong, then some key drops and poor QB play stifled them. Still I was expecting a blow out when I saw a 4th quarter score if 20-something to 7, but I'm pretty hopeful about this new D.

 
Scott Bair ‏@BairCSN 6m
Raiders release TE Kyle Auffray, OL Emmett Cleary, LB Justin Cole, WR Mike Davis, DT Torrell Troup and WR Rahsaan Vaughn

Scott Bair ‏@BairCSN 3m
Raiders have also released CB Jansen Watson

Bill Williamson ‏@BWilliamsonESPN 4m
#Raiders cut seven players to pare down roster to 83. Have to get to 75 Tuesday, 53 Saturday. No shocks on this list.

 
Very true, it isnt all doom and gloom. After all, we are still undefeated.

Players of concern

Donald Penn this guy has yet to play a complete game. He has some moments then gives up a sack or gets call for a penalty. I have a strong feeling the sting of loosing Valhdeer is far from over.

Matt Schaub at best he is a game manger and not capable of lifting the players around him. Poor pocket presence and mobility.

Menilik Watson he has very good feet and doesnt get beat to often on pass blocking, but he is extremely weak at point if attack blocking. Strangely, he was over powered on two TD runs in the last two games. He might even be a candidate to take the left tackle position if Penn stinks it up.

Justin Tuck where is this guy? I havent seen him in too many plays. Maybe he takes preseason off? Lets hope so, for the DBs sake.

Tyron Branch anytime I see his number he is either getting beat or late to the play. Great investment.

Over/Under on the Raiders win total set at 5. They can beat the total but they must get inspired play out of the QB. I just dont see it in Schaub.

 
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Allen was asked Saturday in a conference call with local writers if he was concerned about what appeared to be a lack of arm strength from Schaub and said, "I haven't seen that, so I guess the answer to that question would be no.''

Wrong answer dumb ###. Pack your bags. if you can't see that, you shouldn't even be in the NFL, let alone a head coach.

 
First pre-season game that I got to watch all of. There was plenty to be concerned about. Schaub was not playing at a level that I would hope he would but actually more concerning to me was the fact that our WR's could not seem to get open to save their lives. Plus, there was some major break downs in protection that seemed to me more about failures on our part rather than great defensive play on theirs.

On the other hand, I was overall happy with what I saw in our defense. The first possession aside where they just rammed Lacy down our throat- there was a lot to like. Certainly better play than last year. Offensively, MJD looks to me like his old self and that is awesome.

 
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Allen was asked Saturday in a conference call with local writers if he was concerned about what appeared to be a lack of arm strength from Schaub and said, "I haven't seen that, so I guess the answer to that question would be no.''

Wrong answer dumb ###. Pack your bags. if you can't see that, you shouldn't even be in the NFL, let alone a head coach.
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Matt Schaub did not practice Sunday due to elbow soreness.

It's starting to sound like Matt Flynn all over again. Not good.

 
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lod01 said:
Allen was asked Saturday in a conference call with local writers if he was concerned about what appeared to be a lack of arm strength from Schaub and said, "I haven't seen that, so I guess the answer to that question would be no.''

Wrong answer dumb ###. Pack your bags. if you can't see that, you shouldn't even be in the NFL, let alone a head coach.
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Yeah because if he was a good coach he would announce that from the rooftops. :rolleyes:

 
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Chaka said:
Hankmoody said:
No amount of pass rush or LB beasting is going to cover wide open guys running down the field.
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Actually a good pass rush is exactly what can mitigate wide open guys running down the field.

QB can't hit a wide open WR from his back.
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A good pass rush can make a good secondary better, but it can't made a bad secondary good. If a corner misses a press or gets twisted around 3 steps into the route, the QB will be plenty vertical to take advantage of that.

 
32 Counter Pass said:
Chaka said:
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Looks like James Jones is the #1 on this team?
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Does it matter?
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Maybe not, but I couldn't help notice that Schaub targeted Jones about 7 times in the first half in the Packers game. If that continues Jones could have some relevancy.
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I am setting the O/U on Schaub starts at 5.

Frankly I wish they would just send Schaub to the bench and start McGloin while getting Carr ready to go. McGloin might actually be able to play himself into a commodity worth a draft pick or two. Schaub just looks shot and there is no upside to playing him.

 
While Schaub has definitely struggled....McGloin has shined against defensive players that mostly won't even be on an NFL team by the time the season starts. If you are going to give up on Schaub already you might as well put in the future and start Carr.

 
Toomuchnv said:
While Schaub has definitely struggled....McGloin has shined against defensive players that mostly won't even be on an NFL team by the time the season starts. If you are going to give up on Schaub already you might as well put in the future and start Carr.
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And he has shined playing with offensive players that mostly won't even be on an NFL team by the time the season starts.

Schaub has no value on the trade market and his only value on the field is to hold the position while Carr figures out how to play in the NFL (he is still pretty darn raw). Schaub may have value in the locker room, I wouldn't know, but McGloin has starting experience and can hold the position for Carr while also potentially drumming up a trade market.

The Raiders need a miracle to be even an average team this year and I guarantee you that miracle is not named Matt Schaub.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
So much doom and gloom in this thread right now. You'd think the season was already lost. I'm not going give you guys any fanboy peptalk, but the sky's not falling. The defense is playing a lot better than last season, despite concerns about the secondary. Sio Moore seems to have escaped serious injury. The LB's are going to be fierce, and Tuck and Woodley and Smith are bringing all kinds of QB pressure, so there will be plays to be made on defense. We don't face Aaron Rodgers type teams the first couple of weeks. It wouldn't shock me if we started 2-0.

Listen, I know we have issues at QB, but if we get some offensive line issues settled, and Olson dials up a regular season batch of play calls, with our run game, we should generate enough offense to slug out some ugly looking wins. Don't throw in the towel yet. You don't get any bonus points for being right that Reggie and DA are bums.
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The NFL is a franchise QB, Franchise DE, Franchise left tackle built leage, of which the Raiders have none of those things. You are in for a 4-5 win season.

But, getting down to business: shouldn't they just start Carr and get to going instead of living through the inevitable torture of rolling Schaub out there?

 
First four matchups are brutal, and then comes the bye. Carr isn't ready. Starting him now would put him on the path of his brother (assuming he's not already there). Give the OL some more time to gel and allow the schedule to open up a bit before tossing the rook into the brush.

#startMcGloin

 
LawFitz said:
Carr isn't ready. Starting him now would put him on the path of his brother (assuming he's not already there). Give the OL some more time to gel and allow the schedule to open up a bit before tossing the rook into the brush.

#startMcGloin
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Absolutely agree.

 
Chaka said:
32 Counter Pass said:
Chaka said:
Sandeman said:
Looks like James Jones is the #1 on this team?
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Does it matter?
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Maybe not, but I couldn't help notice that Schaub targeted Jones about 7 times in the first half in the Packers game. If that continues Jones could have some relevancy.
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I am setting the O/U on Schaub starts at 5.

Frankly I wish they would just send Schaub to the bench and start McGloin while getting Carr ready to go. McGloin might actually be able to play himself into a commodity worth a draft pick or two. Schaub just looks shot and there is no upside to playing him.
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I have the same mind set. This is not to imply that McGloin is more than a stop gap solution to but he gives the team has a better shot to the first game vs the Jets. I see no hope with Schaub, and he will very likely give up a pick for an easy score. Wins are hard to come by, marching Schaub out in week one diminishes an opportunity in a winnable game.

If Schaub starts 5 games then DA will be fired by week 10.

As for Carr, I worry that they would be throwing him to the lions and ruin him the way the Texans ruined his brother, but that seems to be our mode of operation.

 
32 Counter Pass said:
Chaka said:
32 Counter Pass said:
Chaka said:
Sandeman said:
Looks like James Jones is the #1 on this team?
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Does it matter?
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Maybe not, but I couldn't help notice that Schaub targeted Jones about 7 times in the first half in the Packers game. If that continues Jones could have some relevancy.
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I am setting the O/U on Schaub starts at 5.

Frankly I wish they would just send Schaub to the bench and start McGloin while getting Carr ready to go. McGloin might actually be able to play himself into a commodity worth a draft pick or two. Schaub just looks shot and there is no upside to playing him.
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I have the same mind set. This is not to imply that McGloin is more than a stop gap solution to but he gives the team has a better shot to the first game vs the Jets. I see no hope with Schaub, and he will very likely give up a pick for an easy score. Wins are hard to come by, marching Schaub out in week one diminishes an opportunity in a winnable game.

If Schaub starts 5 games then DA will be fired by week 10.

As for Carr, I worry that they would be throwing him to the lions and ruin him the way the Texans ruined his brother, but that seems to be our mode of operation.
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I think Carr would be best served riding the pine all year.

 
Toomuchnv said:
While Schaub has definitely struggled....McGloin has shined against defensive players that mostly won't even be on an NFL team by the time the season starts. If you are going to give up on Schaub already you might as well put in the future and start Carr.
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7 games into career.

2013 - Matt Mcgloin 118-211-1547, 8 TDs, 8 INTs.

2001 - Drew Brees 121-206-1383, 8 TDs, 6 INTs with L. Tomlinson helping him just a little.

There is nothing wrong with McGloin. Garbage like Terrell Pryor gets more shots because he can run 93 yards for a TD and pump up the crowd. It's a passing league.

 
Matt Schaub - QB - Raiders

Raiders coach Dennis Allen has "no concerns" at quarterback, and is adamant Matt Schaub (elbow) will start Week 1.
If this were actually true, Allen would deserve to be fired on the spot. Instead, it's just a matter of a coach already committed to vanilla "quotes" trying to keep his quarterback's shattered confidence up. The reality has to be that the Raiders are deeply concerned with Schaub's arm strength and horrible preseason, and will be ready to turn to Derek Carr at any moment. Carr is shaping up as the favorite to lead the Raiders in starts this season.
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I'm so over Dennis Allen. MD/Reggie willing to throw away $6 MM last year for Flynn and $8 MM this year for Schaub, but can't find the money to pay a decent head coach. As long as this continues, the Raiders are going no where.

 
If starting a young QB and letting him learn from his mistakes will ruin him and his entire career I don't think the guy was mentally tough to begin with and would not have succeeded anyway. The best way to learn is game experience IMO.

 
LawFitz said:
First four matchups are brutal, and then comes the bye. Carr isn't ready. Starting him now would put him on the path of his brother (assuming he's not already there). Give the OL some more time to gel and allow the schedule to open up a bit before tossing the rook into the brush.

#startMcGloin
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At NYJ

Hou

At NE

Miami (in London)

Three 1 pm eastern starts is rough, but that might be the "easiest" four game stretch the Raiders are going to have this year. The entire schedule is brutal this year.

 
lod01 said:
Toomuchnv said:
While Schaub has definitely struggled....McGloin has shined against defensive players that mostly won't even be on an NFL team by the time the season starts. If you are going to give up on Schaub already you might as well put in the future and start Carr.
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7 games into career.

2013 - Matt Mcgloin 118-211-1547, 8 TDs, 8 INTs.

2001 - Drew Brees 121-206-1383, 8 TDs, 6 INTs with L. Tomlinson helping him just a little.

There is nothing wrong with McGloin. Garbage like Terrell Pryor gets more shots because he can run 93 yards for a TD and pump up the crowd. It's a passing league.
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So McGloin = Brees now? Geez....I bet there are tons of examples like this in the league. It doesn't mean they become perennial pro bowlers like Brees...news flash....the NFL is closer to the Arena League in 2013 then it was in 2001. Number of 4000+ yard passers in 2013: 9.....number in 2001: 2....He is no Brees

 
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