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2014 Oakland Raiders Regular Season Thread (2 Viewers)
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RaiderBones
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Christopher Hansen @ChrisHansenNFL 2m
Schaub = 2 completions over 10 yards in the preseason. Carr = 3 TDs over 10 yards Thursday night. #StartTheCarr
Schaub = 2 completions over 10 yards in the preseason. Carr = 3 TDs over 10 yards Thursday night. #StartTheCarr
RaiderBones
Footballguy
Carr will rightfully get the headlines in the papers, but Murray's performance...while not jaw-dropping, was intriguing too. Big and fast...that's a good combo.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Dennis Allen has to go. After that https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwLKCpmCYAMI43J.jpg look on his face, he channels his inner company man, backing up Reggie's horrible decisions to the hilt. Those two got to be shown the door lockstep if they attempt to start Schaub vs the Jets.
massraider
Footballguy
Who drafted Derek Carr again?Dennis Allen has to go. After that https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwLKCpmCYAMI43J.jpg look on his face, he channels his inner company man, backing up Reggie's horrible decisions to the hilt. Those two got to be shown the door lockstep if they attempt to start Schaub vs the Jets.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Wasn't Allen. He's a company man taking short orders from the man who drafted him. Waiting for the bosses sayso.Who drafted Derek Carr again?Dennis Allen has to go. After that https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwLKCpmCYAMI43J.jpg look on his face, he channels his inner company man, backing up Reggie's horrible decisions to the hilt. Those two got to be shown the door lockstep if they attempt to start Schaub vs the Jets.
Chaka
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Good bet.
Raiders have a lot of new parts, fair to expect they will be at their worst early in the year. If Shaub gets named starter, seems more likely. Raiders also historically bad on east coast games.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ha, yeah I am also starting Geno Smith. Isn't Schaub just the right QB to breath some life into the Jets secondary?
massraider
Footballguy
Memorial Unknown Coach post:
53 man roster guess
QB (3): Shaub, Carr, McGloin
Locked in
RB: (4): MJD, DMC, Murray, Reece
I bet the Raiders would like to have a roster spot for Olawale. Atkinson III gets the legacy PS move.
WR (6): Streater, Jones, Moore, Holmes, Butler, Little
Don't think they'd go with 5, but I don't think Little is a LOCK, per se. Just don't see another WR to take his spot.
TE (3): Ausberry, Rivera, Leonhardt
Not much competition for Leonhardt here.
OL (8): Penn, Barnes, Wisnewski, Howard, Watson, Barnes, Jackson, Boothe
Would they go with 9? I feel like the versatility of Boothe and Barnes is bad news for Bergstrom. McCants could make it.
DL (8): Tuck, Woodley, Sims, Smith, Harris, McGee, Ellis, Mosely
Ryan Robinson seems like he could be the 4th DE, just not sure if there is room. I don't think Shelby would clear waivers.
LB (6): Mack, Roach, Moore, Burris, Burnett, Maiava
Hoping Fields is on the PS.
CB (7): Rogers, Brown, Chekwa, McGill, Carrie, Thorpe, Jones
Thorpe keeps Hayden's seat warm. Jones makes it for special teams, I think. Haven't heard much about him.
S (4): Woodson, Branch, Young, Ross
Dowling to PS, I assume.
Specialists (3): Seabass, King, Condo
That's 52. Candidates for the last spot? McCants, Bergstrom, Olawale, Robinson, Dowling. Thinking it'll be a DB or an OT.
PUP: Hayden
I have to think any DBs and TEs that get cut get a long look.
Practice Squad (Wild guess, I never get this right):
Dowling
Atkinson
Fields
Kistler
Roberts
Lumpkin
Tavecchio
Simonson
and two guys off other rosters.
53 man roster guess
QB (3): Shaub, Carr, McGloin
Locked in
RB: (4): MJD, DMC, Murray, Reece
I bet the Raiders would like to have a roster spot for Olawale. Atkinson III gets the legacy PS move.
WR (6): Streater, Jones, Moore, Holmes, Butler, Little
Don't think they'd go with 5, but I don't think Little is a LOCK, per se. Just don't see another WR to take his spot.
TE (3): Ausberry, Rivera, Leonhardt
Not much competition for Leonhardt here.
OL (8): Penn, Barnes, Wisnewski, Howard, Watson, Barnes, Jackson, Boothe
Would they go with 9? I feel like the versatility of Boothe and Barnes is bad news for Bergstrom. McCants could make it.
DL (8): Tuck, Woodley, Sims, Smith, Harris, McGee, Ellis, Mosely
Ryan Robinson seems like he could be the 4th DE, just not sure if there is room. I don't think Shelby would clear waivers.
LB (6): Mack, Roach, Moore, Burris, Burnett, Maiava
Hoping Fields is on the PS.
CB (7): Rogers, Brown, Chekwa, McGill, Carrie, Thorpe, Jones
Thorpe keeps Hayden's seat warm. Jones makes it for special teams, I think. Haven't heard much about him.
S (4): Woodson, Branch, Young, Ross
Dowling to PS, I assume.
Specialists (3): Seabass, King, Condo
That's 52. Candidates for the last spot? McCants, Bergstrom, Olawale, Robinson, Dowling. Thinking it'll be a DB or an OT.
PUP: Hayden
I have to think any DBs and TEs that get cut get a long look.
Practice Squad (Wild guess, I never get this right):
Dowling
Atkinson
Fields
Kistler
Roberts
Lumpkin
Tavecchio
Simonson
and two guys off other rosters.
One More Rep
Footballguy
I did the same last night. That was Seattle's starters he was running on and looking good doing so
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Nice homage to UK Coach!
Good post. I edited yours and give you my take on the final 53:
[SIZE=10.5pt]Memorial Unknown Coach post:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]My 53 man roster guess[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]QB (3): Carr, Shaub , McGloin[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]RB: (3): MJD, DMC, Murray[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]FB: (2) Reece, Olawale[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]WR (5): Streater, Jones, Moore, Holmes, Butler (don’t see a need to carry 6) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]TE (3): Rivera, Leonhardt (open spot reserved for FA TE from final roster cut down)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]OL (9): Penn, Jackson , Wisniewski, Howard, Barnes, Watson , Boothe, McCants[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]DL (7): Tuck, Woodley, Sims, Smith, Harris, McGee, Ellis[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]LB (6): Mack, Roach, Moore, Burris, Burnett, Maiava[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]CB (7): Rogers, Brown, Chekwa, McGill, Carrie, Thorpe, Jones[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]S (5): Woodson, Branch, Young, Ross, Dowling[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]Specialists (3): Seabass, King, Condo[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]PUP: Hayden, Ausberry[/SIZE]
massraider
Footballguy
There is a very good chance that Matt Schaub's sore elbow won't be getting any better this week.
Rookie Derek Carr led the Raiders on four straight touchdown drives to open the game Thursday night, a 41-31 win over the Seahawks at O.co Coliseum. The second-round pick out of Fresno State finished 11-of-13 for 143 yards and three touchdowns, and it's hard to imagine him not starting the season-opener at New York on Sept. 7.
"The great thing is that we have three guys that can be starting quarterbacks for us," head coach Dennis Allen said after the game, throwing Matt McGloin in the mix as well. "I am very happy with the quarterback room. We have to see where Matt (Schaub) is when he comes in on Monday.
"Derek continues to improve."
Two of the touchdown drives came against the Super Bowl champions' first-team defense. Latavius Murray, running like Marshawn Lynch, scored on a 5-yard touchdown and then Carr went over the top to Denarius Moore for a 36-yard score.
Carr later hit Mychal Rivera for a 20-yard touchdown and Moore again on a quick, 11-yard back-shoulder throw.
"I was very excited that their first-team defense played," Carr said. "You want to play against the best, and they have the ring to prove it ... I felt good in pre-game and our receivers were getting open and the line was giving me time."
Center Stefen Wisniewski told Carr he was "less rookie" on Thursday, but the excitable kid still made sure to have some fun. He dove in the Black Hole after his third touchdown. "I have been dreaming of doing that since I was a kid."
Schaub, after an ineffective first three games, missed the week of practice and this game with a sore elbow. But in the exact same scenario that took place with veteran Matt Flynn and Terrelle Pryor a year, ago, Schaub likely watched Carr take his starting job in the preseason finale.
Last season, Allen didn't say anything on Pryor winning the job - for competitive reasons - and then Pryor took the field in Indianapolis in the opener.
It would be a fast rise for Carr, who opened the offseason as the No. 3 quarterback but quickly moved past Matt McGloin, who started six games for Oakland last season.
And while Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie can't be happy with trading for and paying millions to a quarterback who didn't make it out of the preseason ... again, it's the results on the field that matter. If anything, going with the rookie Carr might give McKenzie and Allen more time with owner Mark Davis after back-to-back 4-12 seasons.
Carr came into the game Thursday and quickly shook up a stunned crowd that had just sat down and seen the Raiders defense get marched on in a four-play touchdown drive. Only four starters played for Oakland on defense, but still ... rookie cornerback TJ Carrie was beaten deep and then linebacker Kaluka Maiava lost tight end Luke Willson on a 25-yard touchdown.
Carr came in and was 5-for-7 on his first drive, then needed just one play on each of his next two touchdown drives.
After rookie cornerback Keith McGill stripped Seattle returner Bryan Walters of the ball, Carr quickly threw it up for Moore streaking down the right sideline. Then, two minutes later, Carrie showed why he won the punt return job so easily with a nifty 45-yard return. Next play, Carr threw down the middle for Rivera, who made a nice catch after the ball was tipped by Malcolm Smith.
Later, Carr found Rivera again for a 27-yarder that set up his third touchdown pass, a quick strike to Moore. It's only the preseason, but the last Raiders quarterback with three touchdown passes in the first half in the regular season was Kerry Collins in 2004.
Meanwhile, the last Raiders quarterback of the future (OK, not quite) was on the other sideline.
Pryor, who started nine games for Oakland last year, was booed, for some reason, when he came in. But then he completed 11 of 17 passes for 134 yards and a touchdown.
Raiders' 3 notables
Derek Carr: Not quite perfect (Seattle's Russell Wilson was 3-for-3 for a QB rating of 158.3) but 152.1 is not bad. There was never any question about the rookie's arm or smarts, and he has looked cool in the pocket as well.
Denarius Moore: Head coach Dennis Allen often questions his focus and attention to detail, but Moore responds every now and then. Two touchdown catches should silence whispers that the third-year player might get cut Saturday.
Latavius Murray: Murray showed in the first three games that he could move well in traffic inside, and Thursday, he just ran over people. Eight carries for 41 yards and a touchdown shows the Raiders have a powerful alternative behind Maurice Jones-Drew and Darren McFadden.
Rookie Derek Carr led the Raiders on four straight touchdown drives to open the game Thursday night, a 41-31 win over the Seahawks at O.co Coliseum. The second-round pick out of Fresno State finished 11-of-13 for 143 yards and three touchdowns, and it's hard to imagine him not starting the season-opener at New York on Sept. 7.
"The great thing is that we have three guys that can be starting quarterbacks for us," head coach Dennis Allen said after the game, throwing Matt McGloin in the mix as well. "I am very happy with the quarterback room. We have to see where Matt (Schaub) is when he comes in on Monday.
"Derek continues to improve."
Two of the touchdown drives came against the Super Bowl champions' first-team defense. Latavius Murray, running like Marshawn Lynch, scored on a 5-yard touchdown and then Carr went over the top to Denarius Moore for a 36-yard score.
Carr later hit Mychal Rivera for a 20-yard touchdown and Moore again on a quick, 11-yard back-shoulder throw.
"I was very excited that their first-team defense played," Carr said. "You want to play against the best, and they have the ring to prove it ... I felt good in pre-game and our receivers were getting open and the line was giving me time."
Center Stefen Wisniewski told Carr he was "less rookie" on Thursday, but the excitable kid still made sure to have some fun. He dove in the Black Hole after his third touchdown. "I have been dreaming of doing that since I was a kid."
Schaub, after an ineffective first three games, missed the week of practice and this game with a sore elbow. But in the exact same scenario that took place with veteran Matt Flynn and Terrelle Pryor a year, ago, Schaub likely watched Carr take his starting job in the preseason finale.
Last season, Allen didn't say anything on Pryor winning the job - for competitive reasons - and then Pryor took the field in Indianapolis in the opener.
It would be a fast rise for Carr, who opened the offseason as the No. 3 quarterback but quickly moved past Matt McGloin, who started six games for Oakland last season.
And while Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie can't be happy with trading for and paying millions to a quarterback who didn't make it out of the preseason ... again, it's the results on the field that matter. If anything, going with the rookie Carr might give McKenzie and Allen more time with owner Mark Davis after back-to-back 4-12 seasons.
Carr came into the game Thursday and quickly shook up a stunned crowd that had just sat down and seen the Raiders defense get marched on in a four-play touchdown drive. Only four starters played for Oakland on defense, but still ... rookie cornerback TJ Carrie was beaten deep and then linebacker Kaluka Maiava lost tight end Luke Willson on a 25-yard touchdown.
Carr came in and was 5-for-7 on his first drive, then needed just one play on each of his next two touchdown drives.
After rookie cornerback Keith McGill stripped Seattle returner Bryan Walters of the ball, Carr quickly threw it up for Moore streaking down the right sideline. Then, two minutes later, Carrie showed why he won the punt return job so easily with a nifty 45-yard return. Next play, Carr threw down the middle for Rivera, who made a nice catch after the ball was tipped by Malcolm Smith.
Later, Carr found Rivera again for a 27-yarder that set up his third touchdown pass, a quick strike to Moore. It's only the preseason, but the last Raiders quarterback with three touchdown passes in the first half in the regular season was Kerry Collins in 2004.
Meanwhile, the last Raiders quarterback of the future (OK, not quite) was on the other sideline.
Pryor, who started nine games for Oakland last year, was booed, for some reason, when he came in. But then he completed 11 of 17 passes for 134 yards and a touchdown.
Raiders' 3 notables
Derek Carr: Not quite perfect (Seattle's Russell Wilson was 3-for-3 for a QB rating of 158.3) but 152.1 is not bad. There was never any question about the rookie's arm or smarts, and he has looked cool in the pocket as well.
Denarius Moore: Head coach Dennis Allen often questions his focus and attention to detail, but Moore responds every now and then. Two touchdown catches should silence whispers that the third-year player might get cut Saturday.
Latavius Murray: Murray showed in the first three games that he could move well in traffic inside, and Thursday, he just ran over people. Eight carries for 41 yards and a touchdown shows the Raiders have a powerful alternative behind Maurice Jones-Drew and Darren McFadden.
massraider
Footballguy
Vic Tafur was just on PFT Live. Said some interesting things:
Asked what chances were that Carr starts week 1, Tafur said 100%.
Said Gabe Jackson has won LG job.
Asked what chances were that Carr starts week 1, Tafur said 100%.
Said Gabe Jackson has won LG job.
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I hope Vic is right. Need to hear this scoop from the horses mouth though. It's not breaking news to say Gabe has won the starting LG job. He's been mauling fools left and right.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Did Khalil Mack see any snaps yesterday? If so how did he look? He looked like he was making some things happen when I was watching a few minutes of the Packers game.
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massraider
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
I chuckled when I read this line b/c it reminded me of my misguided comparison of Carr to KFC after the first preseason game. I'm a noted Carr hater on this board and even after his excellent showing last night, I still have reservations about the guy's ability to handle pressure in the pocket. He reminded me of KFC during week 1 because I was seeing sketchy decision making and no touch on his passes.
That said, he's been very impressive the last couple outings, showing fire and ability I haven't seen in a long time from a Raider QB. Where he is night and day different from KFC, is that Carr actually has some mobility and athleticism. If he can get some decent OL and WR play, and show some pocket awareness himself when danger inevitably approaches, then maybe we might have something here. He needs to keep showing it, but I'm warming up to him. You'd have to be blind and/or beyond stubborn not to, especially after last night, right?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
LOL at warming to Carr. That's like warming to filet mingon coming off a McValue mcMeal diet.
Raider Nation
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Chaka
Footballguy
I'm not being snarky. It's the 4th preseason game, if you think Carr got the best from the #1 starters on Seattle, you're nuts. Take this performance with less than half a grain of salt. You have to know that RN, you have been here for far too long. I agree that Schaub was a mistake, I thought so when they traded for him, but McGloin is the smart play for the Raiders not Carr.
The only legitimate argument I can see for starting Carr week 1 is the fact that the Jets secondary looks to be the worst in the league on paper. But it's still a road game and the Jets have an excellent d-line and solid LBs but what happens after the Jets? The schedule isn't friendly across the board for Oakland (toughest in the entire NFL over the past 8 years, on paper, IIRC), and I am a firm believer in letting rookie QBs sit for a year, particularly ones as unseasoned in pro-set offenses like Carr.
#StartMcGloin
RaiderBones
Footballguy
It depends if Oakland starts Schaub or Carr.Ilov80s said:
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Kinda cool to see all the positive vibes in this thread. Carr made everyone around him a better player. Granted, it was just an exhibition game, but we have seen from a Raider QB in a long, long time. The kid had great pocket presence and checked down several times. He can really zip it.
My concern is that the defense has given up a TD in the opening drive of all four preseason games.
I am betting Schaub's tendonitist is gonna flare up again. 8-|
My concern is that the defense has given up a TD in the opening drive of all four preseason games.
I am betting Schaub's tendonitist is gonna flare up again. 8-|
Whether Carr starts week 1 or not, at least he gives us fans a glimmer of hope. I will be surprised if they win more than 4 games this year, mainly because of the secondary and brutal schedule. But just maybe the Raiders now have a couple players to build around in Carr and Mack.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Funny to think it is better for the defense to face the established veteran than the rookie in his his first career start, but I totally agree with you.
RaiderBones
Footballguy
Carr is way more talented the McGloin. McGloin has moxy no doubt about that but give me Carr and his upside anyday of the week and twice on Sundays.Chaka said:
#StartTheCarr
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
We really saw many of McGloin's short comings on display in the Seahawk game. He has a tendency to make some very poor decisions and try to force the ball into tight coverage. Another example of poor decision making was the big sack he took the force the Raiders to punt from the 1. He also gets a lot of passes blocked at the LOS when he throws from the pocket. The appeared to be a definite difference in the zip on the balls from Carr as opposed to McGloin's throws too.
I still think McGloin is a great #2QB option, but Carr may be the starting QB moving forward. His performance will hinge on protection, which could get sketchy vs Ryan's defense.
I still think McGloin is a great #2QB option, but Carr may be the starting QB moving forward. His performance will hinge on protection, which could get sketchy vs Ryan's defense.
massraider
Footballguy
No. Getting a pick for a player later cut is not worth anything. Zero credit. A real GM would have gotten two 4th for him. If we had traded a pick for a guy, then cut him, everyone should be fired.
I'm sorry, those are the rules.
massraider
Footballguy
Greg Little released. Going with 5, looks like. For now anyway, I.expect some roster movement after cuts are done.
RaiderBones
Footballguy
Raiders preseason week 4 Ballers & Busters: Part one
By Levi Damien on Aug 30 2014, 1:41p
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/8/30/6087641/oakland-raiders-preseason-week-4-ballers-busters-part-one
By Levi Damien on Aug 30 2014, 1:41p
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/8/30/6087641/oakland-raiders-preseason-week-4-ballers-busters-part-one
massraider
Footballguy
Thus far, not seen many cuts that blow my skirt up. Looking for a safety, and not seeing any.
massraider
Footballguy
Hmmm, Duke Ihenacho?
massraider
Footballguy
Final cuts on raiders.com
No surprises. Ross and Little are the biggest names.
No surprises. Ross and Little are the biggest names.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Pretty sure mass was being facetious.
Garrett
Footballguy
Reggie inherited Pryor, and it was blatently obvious Oakland was going to cut him. I was shocked they got anything for him; after cuts today, that trade added another young rookie to their final 53. To me that's proper roster management.massraider said:
I'm old and easily confused. I just saw a young Raider QB destroy a respectable defense; I don't know what to believe anymore...
Raiders have oldest roster in NFL after cutdowns:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000386492/article/raiders-have-oldest-roster-in-nfl-after-cutdowns
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000386492/article/raiders-have-oldest-roster-in-nfl-after-cutdowns
A look at Raiders 53-man roster:
http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/5809/a-look-at-raiders-53-man-roster
http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/5809/a-look-at-raiders-53-man-roster
ICON211
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