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2014 Oakland Raiders Regular Season Thread (2 Viewers)
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massraider
Footballguy
Zierlein ranks three QBs in his top 10, with Johnny Football #1. Some pretty in-depth scouting:
Manziel
Borltes
Bridgewater
Carr
We aren't really talking about Bortles at all, but if Clowney goes to HOU, he might very well be in play.,
Manziel
Borltes
Bridgewater
Carr
We aren't really talking about Bortles at all, but if Clowney goes to HOU, he might very well be in play.,
ICON211
Footballguy
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Someone is lying here. If I recall, Veldheer's camp said the Raiders offer was nowhere near what the Cards gave him.
Chaka
Footballguy
I sincerely doubt they offered him significantly less than what they offered Saffold and that was significantly more than what he got from Arizona.
They still could have franchised/transitioned him but McKenzie's take passes the sniff test for me.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Pryor likely to be released if we take the timeline of April 21 at face value. I thought we might be a trade partner for Philadelphia but it looks like Chip Kelly is seriously looking at Mark Sanchez. Pryor's NFL career is on life support.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
What did you expect him to say? "Yes, he's terrible, but he's the best we could afford." They are going to stand behind any guy the recently acquire, let alone a QB that's their only clear NFL caliber option at the position on the roster. This is a non-story.Andy Dufresne said:
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Footballguy
This feels like the inmates are running the asylum. So what if Veldheer didn't want to play in Oakland. Transition him and maybe with the addition of the new FA signings this thing get turned in the right direction and Velhdeer has a change of heart come next off season. The message Reggie is sending is that if you want out we will let you out.Chaka said:
He should be sending the message to suck it up and be a professional. I say this only as it relates to Veldheer. There were never any indications that he was a problem in the locker room. Locker room cancers are a different story.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Totally agree. Don't like it here, we'll bend over backwards for you and let you walk. No problem.
Why didn't the saints pay jimmy graham wr money or release/tradehim? Because they are a professionally run business. Jimmy ain't too pleased with it, but he'll be alright. And they can back up the brinks truck next year or let him go then.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
And where are all of the Pryor homers from last year??
The dude is just not an nfl qb. Hence my nickname for him, black tebow.
The dude is just not an nfl qb. Hence my nickname for him, black tebow.
massraider
Footballguy
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#Bears didn’t represent the biggest $ offer for Jared Allen: #Raiders did. They were willing to pay him $9M. He believed Bears were best fit
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#Bears didn’t represent the biggest $ offer for Jared Allen: #Raiders did. They were willing to pay him $9M. He believed Bears were best fit
massraider
Footballguy
An average of 12 quarterbacks are selected each draft. This year? Take the over.
Draft classes are often graded based on the star power of the quarterback prospects and while this crop lacks an Andrew Luck type of no-brainer at No. 1, it is a very deep class.
I took some heat back on Jan. 3 when I inserted Central Florida QB Blake Bortles at No. 1 to the Houston Texans in my mock draft. So much so, that the backlash prompted me to write an article a few days later elaborating on why A) Bortles to Houston makes sense and B) Bortles to Houston is a REAL possibility.
Here we are almost three months later and the former UCF passer still appears at the top spot in my mock draft as we enter the final stretch, and several others have joined me with that prediction. Regardless if the Texans' decision makers have already made up their mind, they appear to be considering several of the top quarterback options this draft has to offer. But so are a host of other quarterback-needy teams early in the draft.
Below are my top five graded quarterbacks with possible landing spots for each of them:
1. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville (6-foot-2, 214 pounds)
WHY TEAMS LIKE HIM:
Bridgewater has an athletic frame with decisive pocket movements, smooth footwork and mobility to make plays outside the pocket. He has good arm strength with strong throws on the move and can drive the ball with some extra juice when needed. Bridgewater shows above-average composure and patience in the pocket to allow routes to develop, operating with bullets buzzing past his ear and standing tough even when he knows the hit is coming. He does a nice job using his eyes to hold defenders and work his progressions with an outstanding thought process to digest information and implement it on the field. Bridgewater is a creature of habit with top-notch work ethic, already preparing like a meticulous and detailed professional.
WHY TEAMS ARE CONCERNED:
Bridgewater is lean-muscled and lacks an imposing build with slender shoulders and thin hips, lacking the frame to get much bigger than his current weight. He doesn't always reset his feet and deliver, preferring to just flick his wrist at times with a lower-than-ideal release point. Bridgewater will force some throws, especially over the middle, showing inconsistent deep accuracy on throws of 20-plus yards. He has smaller-than-ideal hands and wore gloves on both hands in college. Bridgewater faced an average level of competition on a week-to-week basis in the Big East/AAC. He has long-term durability concerns due to thin body type and a propensity to hang tough in the pocket and take hits.
WHERE HE'LL GO:
Bridgewater is the top quarterback in this class, in my opinion, because of what he can do above the neck. Those mental and intangible traits aren't always easy to project, but it's clear he has a graduate-level understanding of the game and should continue to get better. However, I don't think he will be the first quarterback drafted and he might not be the second, either. Right now I have him projected to the Minnesota Vikings with the eighth overall pick in the first round where he would instantly upgrade the position. Bridgewater is a very natural passer who has the mental aptitude and arm talent to be a long-term NFL starter and would stop the ever-spinning quarterback carousel in Minnesota.
2. Blake Bortles, Central Florida (6-5, 232)
WHY TEAMS LIKE HIM:
Bortles has an NFL-style build and is an athletic mover, picking up chunks of yards with his legs and anticipating pressure to move the pocket. He displays quick feet with above-average pocket footwork and maneuverability to climb and keep his eyes downfield. Bortles has a good setup and delivery with a balanced base and quick eyes to survey his reads and take what is there. He shows terrific peripheral vision and feel to see the entire field with above-average poise and decision making, always appearing in control of the situation. He has a smooth release with good zip and the arm strength to get away with off-balance throws. Bortles has good rhythm and timing from snap to delivery and won't shy from tight windows with his confident arm. He is a tough, hard-nosed ball carrier and delivers well on the run, exuding toughness, leadership and confidence as a strong competitor. Bortles is coachable with a high football IQ and already prepares like a pro.
WHY TEAMS ARE CONCERNED:
Bortles can make every throw, but lacks elite arm strength. His ball placement and touch have room for improvement with throwing mechanics that need refining, especially when under pressure. Bortles needs to learn how to better use his eyes to hold defenders and will too often lead defensive backs to the intended target. He has room to improve his spatial awareness from inside the pocket and ball security when scrambling needs improvement. Like Bridgewater, Bortles didn't face top-level competition on a weekly basis.
WHERE HE'LL GO:
Once Bill O'Brien was hired in Houston, Bortles became the favorite in my mind to be the top pick and I'm still leaning that way today. He is a highly intelligent field general with ideal intangibles and football character. Bortles is a prototypical quarterback and flashes Andrew Luck's release and arm strength, Jake Locker's mobility and toughness and Ben Roethlisberger's confidence and clutch attributes. From a mental and physical standpoint, Bortles brings a lot to the table and it's easy to see why many around the league have him as the top passer in this class -- and that group might include the Houston Texans.
3. Derek Carr, Fresno State (6-2, 214)
WHY TEAMS LIKE HIM:
Carr has above average-arm strength and top-shelf velocity with a quick, effortless release and the ability to spin it anywhere he wants on the field. He is a better athlete than expected with quickness, mobility and toughness to operate in and around the pocket. Carr is a confident thrower and not afraid to challenge small passing windows, always giving his guys a chance. He makes a lot of pre-snap adjustments based on his reads at the line of scrimmage, clearly studying film and diligently preparing for each opponent. Carr takes care of the football and has never had double-digit interceptions in a season despite gaudy pass attempts, setting the MWC record for consecutive passes without an interception (306). He was productive and accomplished as a three-year starter; his 12,843 career passing yards is a school record.
WHY TEAMS ARE CONCERNED:
Carr has a lean body type and average height. He needs to refine his footwork and tends to forget about his base and lower-body technique. Carr looks to avoid contact with questionable pocket tolerance, often falling away from his target at the release point -- easily flustered with pressure and needs to improve his confidence and overall feel in the pocket. His touch is a work in progress; he needs to understand when the situation calls for him to take something off his fastball, especially on screens and short passes. There's some minor concerns about whether Carr will put in the needed time at the team facility in the NFL.
WHERE HE'LL GO:
Carr has the qualities that make you think Matthew Stafford when watching him, but his flaws will bother enough teams that he likely won't be a top-10 pick and could slip to the second round. It won't shock me if he ends up going in the top 32 picks, but right now, I have him in the early second round to the Oakland Raiders. If you're looking for a technically sound passer with flawless footwork who will stand in the face of pressure, then Carr isn't for you, but if you want a golden-armed quarterback with a quick release and appetite for football, then Carr grows on you more and more.
4. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M (6-0, 207)
WHY TEAMS LIKE HIM:
Manziel has an extremely fluid lower body with electric feet, which makes him extremely slippery as a runner showing strong acceleration out of his cuts. He is an instinctive scrambler to follow blocks and keep plays alive, allowing for second-chance throws with his ability to escape pressure and make plays when everything breaks down. Manziel has a loose belt and uses his hip action well to add torque to his throws, showing improved arm strength. He is the point guard of the offense and understands what he sees to apply it on the field with improved accuracy outside the pocket and off balance, throwing well on the move. Manziel is a gritty competitor with noticeable confidence and moxie, feeding off the big stage with a short memory to not allow mistakes to linger. He was extremely productive with 5,116 yards of total offense in 2012 -- becoming the first player in NCAA history to surpass 5,000 total yards and 1,000 rushing yards in a single season -- and holds the Texas A&M records for career total offense (9,989), career completion percentage (68.9 percent) and career total touchdowns (93).
WHY TEAMS ARE CONCERNED:
Manziel is short and lacks an ideal body type for the next level. He doesn't have the frame to consistently take a beating as a ball carrier, and there are strong durability concerns about whether he'll be able to hold up for a 16-game schedule. Manziel's ball placement and anticipation is very up and down, especially on deep and power throws, which stems from an inconsistent base and overall passing mechanics (both upper- and lower-body technique). He makes too many throws with his momentum falling and taking him backward, causing him to throw some lame ducks. He ignores fundamentals and relies on snap throws with his overconfidence. Manziel gets himself in trouble when he backtracks and retreats to try and avoid the rush, holding the ball too long and forgetting where he is on the field at times. He has some maturity and work-ethic questions and doesn't fit the personality of what many teams want at quarterback.
WHERE HE'LL GO:
One of the most exciting and productive players in college football history, "Johnny Football" lives and dies with his backyard, spur-of-the-moment style and appears crazed and frantic as a scrambler, but he's in constant controlled-panic mode. There is a lot to like about Manziel, including his smarts, instincts and strong competitive spirit, but it's in his football DNA to extend plays and hold the ball until the last possible moment, and in a league where players are bigger, faster and stronger, some violent hits will be unavoidable. Manziel is an outside-the-box type of pick who could pay off in a huge way or it could backfire, but regardless, it should be exciting. In my current mock draft, I have Manziel landing in Cleveland with the fourth pick -- a selection that would inject some life at a position that has routinely kept the Browns organization in the cellar of the AFC North.
5. Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois (6-2, 226)
WHY TEAMS LIKE HIM:
Garoppolo has better-than-adequate arm strength with a snap release that produces some juice with all of his experience coming from pass-happy offenses. He has excellent passing vision with quick eyes to scan and a quick, natural delivery to get the ball out quickly. Garoppolo is smart and executes the offense well with a quick intellectual process on the football field. He displays above-average timing with little unnecessary movements, getting "happy feet" at times, but shows the ability to reset. Garoppolo is level-headed and always under control with a strong leadership presence. He has elite career production as a four-year starter at the FCS level, including a record-breaking senior season (won the 2013 Walter Payton Award) in which he broke almost all of Tony Romo's school records.
WHY TEAMS ARE CONCERNED:
Garoppolo's lack of elite velocity will show on some NFL throws, and he needs to continue to improve his decision-making and not allow pressure to severely alter his process; he often forces throws in small windows. He needs to get his feet under control on a consistent basis and regularly step into his throws; he needs to develop his pocket awareness and internal clock to feel pressure. Garoppolo holds the ball too long at times and will take unnecessary hits. All of his experience is in a FCS spread shotgun attack; he lacks ideal experience with under-center snaps.
WHERE HE'LL GO:
While most seem to be drawing a line in the sand regarding their feelings on the "top four" quarterback prospects, Garoppolo is generally well liked in NFL circles. Many teams around the league are smitten with his intelligence as a passer and quick process from snap to delivery. He has a chance to sneak into the first round, possibly as early as 26th overall to the Cleveland Browns. But he would also be a nice pick for the Jacksonville Jaguars in the second round (the team that coached him at the Senior Bowl) if they decide to pass on a quarterback in the first, which is the current situation in my mock draft.
Draft classes are often graded based on the star power of the quarterback prospects and while this crop lacks an Andrew Luck type of no-brainer at No. 1, it is a very deep class.
I took some heat back on Jan. 3 when I inserted Central Florida QB Blake Bortles at No. 1 to the Houston Texans in my mock draft. So much so, that the backlash prompted me to write an article a few days later elaborating on why A) Bortles to Houston makes sense and B) Bortles to Houston is a REAL possibility.
Here we are almost three months later and the former UCF passer still appears at the top spot in my mock draft as we enter the final stretch, and several others have joined me with that prediction. Regardless if the Texans' decision makers have already made up their mind, they appear to be considering several of the top quarterback options this draft has to offer. But so are a host of other quarterback-needy teams early in the draft.
Below are my top five graded quarterbacks with possible landing spots for each of them:
1. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville (6-foot-2, 214 pounds)
WHY TEAMS LIKE HIM:
Bridgewater has an athletic frame with decisive pocket movements, smooth footwork and mobility to make plays outside the pocket. He has good arm strength with strong throws on the move and can drive the ball with some extra juice when needed. Bridgewater shows above-average composure and patience in the pocket to allow routes to develop, operating with bullets buzzing past his ear and standing tough even when he knows the hit is coming. He does a nice job using his eyes to hold defenders and work his progressions with an outstanding thought process to digest information and implement it on the field. Bridgewater is a creature of habit with top-notch work ethic, already preparing like a meticulous and detailed professional.
WHY TEAMS ARE CONCERNED:
Bridgewater is lean-muscled and lacks an imposing build with slender shoulders and thin hips, lacking the frame to get much bigger than his current weight. He doesn't always reset his feet and deliver, preferring to just flick his wrist at times with a lower-than-ideal release point. Bridgewater will force some throws, especially over the middle, showing inconsistent deep accuracy on throws of 20-plus yards. He has smaller-than-ideal hands and wore gloves on both hands in college. Bridgewater faced an average level of competition on a week-to-week basis in the Big East/AAC. He has long-term durability concerns due to thin body type and a propensity to hang tough in the pocket and take hits.
WHERE HE'LL GO:
Bridgewater is the top quarterback in this class, in my opinion, because of what he can do above the neck. Those mental and intangible traits aren't always easy to project, but it's clear he has a graduate-level understanding of the game and should continue to get better. However, I don't think he will be the first quarterback drafted and he might not be the second, either. Right now I have him projected to the Minnesota Vikings with the eighth overall pick in the first round where he would instantly upgrade the position. Bridgewater is a very natural passer who has the mental aptitude and arm talent to be a long-term NFL starter and would stop the ever-spinning quarterback carousel in Minnesota.
2. Blake Bortles, Central Florida (6-5, 232)
WHY TEAMS LIKE HIM:
Bortles has an NFL-style build and is an athletic mover, picking up chunks of yards with his legs and anticipating pressure to move the pocket. He displays quick feet with above-average pocket footwork and maneuverability to climb and keep his eyes downfield. Bortles has a good setup and delivery with a balanced base and quick eyes to survey his reads and take what is there. He shows terrific peripheral vision and feel to see the entire field with above-average poise and decision making, always appearing in control of the situation. He has a smooth release with good zip and the arm strength to get away with off-balance throws. Bortles has good rhythm and timing from snap to delivery and won't shy from tight windows with his confident arm. He is a tough, hard-nosed ball carrier and delivers well on the run, exuding toughness, leadership and confidence as a strong competitor. Bortles is coachable with a high football IQ and already prepares like a pro.
WHY TEAMS ARE CONCERNED:
Bortles can make every throw, but lacks elite arm strength. His ball placement and touch have room for improvement with throwing mechanics that need refining, especially when under pressure. Bortles needs to learn how to better use his eyes to hold defenders and will too often lead defensive backs to the intended target. He has room to improve his spatial awareness from inside the pocket and ball security when scrambling needs improvement. Like Bridgewater, Bortles didn't face top-level competition on a weekly basis.
WHERE HE'LL GO:
Once Bill O'Brien was hired in Houston, Bortles became the favorite in my mind to be the top pick and I'm still leaning that way today. He is a highly intelligent field general with ideal intangibles and football character. Bortles is a prototypical quarterback and flashes Andrew Luck's release and arm strength, Jake Locker's mobility and toughness and Ben Roethlisberger's confidence and clutch attributes. From a mental and physical standpoint, Bortles brings a lot to the table and it's easy to see why many around the league have him as the top passer in this class -- and that group might include the Houston Texans.
3. Derek Carr, Fresno State (6-2, 214)
WHY TEAMS LIKE HIM:
Carr has above average-arm strength and top-shelf velocity with a quick, effortless release and the ability to spin it anywhere he wants on the field. He is a better athlete than expected with quickness, mobility and toughness to operate in and around the pocket. Carr is a confident thrower and not afraid to challenge small passing windows, always giving his guys a chance. He makes a lot of pre-snap adjustments based on his reads at the line of scrimmage, clearly studying film and diligently preparing for each opponent. Carr takes care of the football and has never had double-digit interceptions in a season despite gaudy pass attempts, setting the MWC record for consecutive passes without an interception (306). He was productive and accomplished as a three-year starter; his 12,843 career passing yards is a school record.
WHY TEAMS ARE CONCERNED:
Carr has a lean body type and average height. He needs to refine his footwork and tends to forget about his base and lower-body technique. Carr looks to avoid contact with questionable pocket tolerance, often falling away from his target at the release point -- easily flustered with pressure and needs to improve his confidence and overall feel in the pocket. His touch is a work in progress; he needs to understand when the situation calls for him to take something off his fastball, especially on screens and short passes. There's some minor concerns about whether Carr will put in the needed time at the team facility in the NFL.
WHERE HE'LL GO:
Carr has the qualities that make you think Matthew Stafford when watching him, but his flaws will bother enough teams that he likely won't be a top-10 pick and could slip to the second round. It won't shock me if he ends up going in the top 32 picks, but right now, I have him in the early second round to the Oakland Raiders. If you're looking for a technically sound passer with flawless footwork who will stand in the face of pressure, then Carr isn't for you, but if you want a golden-armed quarterback with a quick release and appetite for football, then Carr grows on you more and more.
4. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M (6-0, 207)
WHY TEAMS LIKE HIM:
Manziel has an extremely fluid lower body with electric feet, which makes him extremely slippery as a runner showing strong acceleration out of his cuts. He is an instinctive scrambler to follow blocks and keep plays alive, allowing for second-chance throws with his ability to escape pressure and make plays when everything breaks down. Manziel has a loose belt and uses his hip action well to add torque to his throws, showing improved arm strength. He is the point guard of the offense and understands what he sees to apply it on the field with improved accuracy outside the pocket and off balance, throwing well on the move. Manziel is a gritty competitor with noticeable confidence and moxie, feeding off the big stage with a short memory to not allow mistakes to linger. He was extremely productive with 5,116 yards of total offense in 2012 -- becoming the first player in NCAA history to surpass 5,000 total yards and 1,000 rushing yards in a single season -- and holds the Texas A&M records for career total offense (9,989), career completion percentage (68.9 percent) and career total touchdowns (93).
WHY TEAMS ARE CONCERNED:
Manziel is short and lacks an ideal body type for the next level. He doesn't have the frame to consistently take a beating as a ball carrier, and there are strong durability concerns about whether he'll be able to hold up for a 16-game schedule. Manziel's ball placement and anticipation is very up and down, especially on deep and power throws, which stems from an inconsistent base and overall passing mechanics (both upper- and lower-body technique). He makes too many throws with his momentum falling and taking him backward, causing him to throw some lame ducks. He ignores fundamentals and relies on snap throws with his overconfidence. Manziel gets himself in trouble when he backtracks and retreats to try and avoid the rush, holding the ball too long and forgetting where he is on the field at times. He has some maturity and work-ethic questions and doesn't fit the personality of what many teams want at quarterback.
WHERE HE'LL GO:
One of the most exciting and productive players in college football history, "Johnny Football" lives and dies with his backyard, spur-of-the-moment style and appears crazed and frantic as a scrambler, but he's in constant controlled-panic mode. There is a lot to like about Manziel, including his smarts, instincts and strong competitive spirit, but it's in his football DNA to extend plays and hold the ball until the last possible moment, and in a league where players are bigger, faster and stronger, some violent hits will be unavoidable. Manziel is an outside-the-box type of pick who could pay off in a huge way or it could backfire, but regardless, it should be exciting. In my current mock draft, I have Manziel landing in Cleveland with the fourth pick -- a selection that would inject some life at a position that has routinely kept the Browns organization in the cellar of the AFC North.
5. Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois (6-2, 226)
WHY TEAMS LIKE HIM:
Garoppolo has better-than-adequate arm strength with a snap release that produces some juice with all of his experience coming from pass-happy offenses. He has excellent passing vision with quick eyes to scan and a quick, natural delivery to get the ball out quickly. Garoppolo is smart and executes the offense well with a quick intellectual process on the football field. He displays above-average timing with little unnecessary movements, getting "happy feet" at times, but shows the ability to reset. Garoppolo is level-headed and always under control with a strong leadership presence. He has elite career production as a four-year starter at the FCS level, including a record-breaking senior season (won the 2013 Walter Payton Award) in which he broke almost all of Tony Romo's school records.
WHY TEAMS ARE CONCERNED:
Garoppolo's lack of elite velocity will show on some NFL throws, and he needs to continue to improve his decision-making and not allow pressure to severely alter his process; he often forces throws in small windows. He needs to get his feet under control on a consistent basis and regularly step into his throws; he needs to develop his pocket awareness and internal clock to feel pressure. Garoppolo holds the ball too long at times and will take unnecessary hits. All of his experience is in a FCS spread shotgun attack; he lacks ideal experience with under-center snaps.
WHERE HE'LL GO:
While most seem to be drawing a line in the sand regarding their feelings on the "top four" quarterback prospects, Garoppolo is generally well liked in NFL circles. Many teams around the league are smitten with his intelligence as a passer and quick process from snap to delivery. He has a chance to sneak into the first round, possibly as early as 26th overall to the Cleveland Browns. But he would also be a nice pick for the Jacksonville Jaguars in the second round (the team that coached him at the Senior Bowl) if they decide to pass on a quarterback in the first, which is the current situation in my mock draft.
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Footballguy
How trusth-worthy is this? I mean, if it were true, then I shouldm't be disappointed. Just another thing winning cures...
RaiderBones
Footballguy
Actually that's not true. Arizona gave us a pick for Carson Palmer even though they knew we would eventually release him. The advantage to trading for a player that you know will be released is that you are guaranteed to land him. If released there are no guarantees that he will sign with you.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Count me among those who think it's a mistake to part ways with Pryor. I still think the guy has a future in this league at QB if he can land in a good situation. He should go back up Cam or Kaep or RGIII for a year or two and further develop his game. Guy looked great last year until injuring his knee, despite playing with a terrible OL and subpar WR. I'm not ready to write him off, though clearly the Raiders have.
RaiderBones
Footballguy
I'm the opposite. I'm glad Pryor will be gone soon. He might be a belowe average backup in the league at most IMO. I also think he hurt the OL more then the OL hurt him. McGloin had no problem playing behind that OL and the WR's looked better with McGloin IMO.
massraider
Footballguy
Ross Tucker @RossTuckerNFL 1m
Schaub's restructured deal in Oakland pays him $8M fully guaranteed in 2014, non-guaranteed $5.5M in '15, per source.
If those are TOTALS, then it looks like Schaub took a pretty massive paycut.
5.5 mill next year is an interesting number. It's either a bargain for a starter (even one we don't love) or it's a very well-paid backup.
I am really interested to see what the plan is on draft day.
Schaub's restructured deal in Oakland pays him $8M fully guaranteed in 2014, non-guaranteed $5.5M in '15, per source.
If those are TOTALS, then it looks like Schaub took a pretty massive paycut.
5.5 mill next year is an interesting number. It's either a bargain for a starter (even one we don't love) or it's a very well-paid backup.
I am really interested to see what the plan is on draft day.
massraider
Footballguy
Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero 8s
Matt Schaub's restructured deal with #Raiders included pay cuts in both years. Cap numbers reduced to $8M in 2014, $5.5M in 2015
Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero 1m
The last year of Schaub's deal (2016) was deleted. He's due a fully gtd $4.5M base salary in 2014 plus $3.5M roster bonus, $3M in incentives
Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero 2m
In 2015, Schaub has a $5.5M non-gtd base salary and another $3M in performance-based incentives.
Contract restructured in a big way, with no guaranteed money after 2014. Interesting, we were told Schaub didn't want to come here.
Matt Schaub's restructured deal with #Raiders included pay cuts in both years. Cap numbers reduced to $8M in 2014, $5.5M in 2015
Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero 1m
The last year of Schaub's deal (2016) was deleted. He's due a fully gtd $4.5M base salary in 2014 plus $3.5M roster bonus, $3M in incentives
Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero 2m
In 2015, Schaub has a $5.5M non-gtd base salary and another $3M in performance-based incentives.
Contract restructured in a big way, with no guaranteed money after 2014. Interesting, we were told Schaub didn't want to come here.
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massraider
Footballguy
By the way, anyone ever notice that the local beat writers break no stories, have no scoops? Weird.
RaiderBones
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Raiders have a confirmed visit with this guy:
http://draftbreakdown.com/?s=Latimer
Cody Latimer, WR.
http://draftbreakdown.com/?s=Latimer
Cody Latimer, WR.
ICON211
Footballguy
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I strongly disagree that he hurt the O line more than they hurt him. The only reason they were in the opener vs Indy was his ability to make plays with his legs and escape pressure and complete passes. The first KC game was one of the worst O line performances in history, but I can not even get on them too much because they were down to third and fourth string guys all across the line. The shame of this whole thing for me is that I do not think he was really given a full shot to see what he could do and a chance to be truly evaluated. The coaching staff never trusted him. Outside of a half vs San Diego it never seemed like they took the training wheels off and let him throw the ball down the field. Last year was the perfect year to just turn him loose and I do not think they really did that.
massraider
Footballguy
There was an interesting tweet to one of the Raider scribes, something along the lines of, 'coaches were sick of a guy that hadn't learned playbook after two years.'
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Footballguy
Veldheer basically called Reggie a liar on Sirius earlier today. He said he wanted to return.
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Footballguy
I agree that Pryor's mobility helped keep the Raiders competitive early in the season. But once there was tape on him DCs could scheme to take away his strength, which was rolling out to the right. The Eagles were the first team that overplayed Pryor to his right side, and all the remaining opponents followed suit. Once that happened, Pryor limitations were exposed.
With the correct fundamentals, I think Pryor can be an effective NFL QB. Unfortunately the Raiders do not have the luxury to wait for him to develop.
RBM
Footballguy
I thought Pryor was perfect for the Raiders. Offense with that little talent is an ideal spot for a guy that can make something out of nothing. And like Icon pointed out, WTF was that offense we saw in the first half of the Charger game. How did Pryor and the entire gameplan look that good and never even come close to looking like that again? Baffling.
RaiderBones
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Tony Pauline@TonyPauline15 mins
Pro-Day 3/27: Keon Lyn/CB/Syracuse has visits scheduled with Miami Dolphins, Detroit Lions & Oakland Raiders http://walterfootball.com/proday.php
Pro-Day 3/27: Keon Lyn/CB/Syracuse has visits scheduled with Miami Dolphins, Detroit Lions & Oakland Raiders http://walterfootball.com/proday.php
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Pro-Day 3/27: Keon Lyn/CB/Syracuse has visits scheduled with Miami Dolphins, Detroit Lions & Oakland Raidershttp://
EDIT: Too late!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtSmqlzNwvg
Wonder if they would think about him as a FS.
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Pro-Day 3/27: Keon Lyn/CB/Syracuse has visits scheduled with Miami Dolphins, Detroit Lions & Oakland Raidershttp://
EDIT: Too late!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtSmqlzNwvg
Wonder if they would think about him as a FS.
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DA RAIDERS
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massraider
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Titans agreed to terms with OLB Shaun Phillips, formerly of the Broncos, on a two-year, $6 million contract.
The deal includes $2.5 million guaranteed. Phillips turns 33 in May, but it's a potential bargain for the Titans, who will slide Phillips in at outside linebacker in DC Ray Horton's hybrid 3-4 defense. Phillips was far-from elite on a per-snap basis last season, but still managed 10 sacks after notching 9.5 in 2012. He'll be a productive presence on the edge in Tennessee. Mar 27 - 5:24 PM
Old pass rushers on Raiders=Bad.
Old pass rushers on other bad team=Good.
The deal includes $2.5 million guaranteed. Phillips turns 33 in May, but it's a potential bargain for the Titans, who will slide Phillips in at outside linebacker in DC Ray Horton's hybrid 3-4 defense. Phillips was far-from elite on a per-snap basis last season, but still managed 10 sacks after notching 9.5 in 2012. He'll be a productive presence on the edge in Tennessee. Mar 27 - 5:24 PM
Old pass rushers on Raiders=Bad.
Old pass rushers on other bad team=Good.
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SDJohnny
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Signing MJD is not a negative for the Raiders. Adding talented players to the depth chart is the GM's job.
I am no great fan of Reggie but none of his moves are going to put us in another dead money bind. Rotoworld's rampant snarkiness is beyond tired and very unprofessional.
I am no great fan of Reggie but none of his moves are going to put us in another dead money bind. Rotoworld's rampant snarkiness is beyond tired and very unprofessional.
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Jones-Drew agrees to contract with #Raiders http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/jones-drew-agrees-contract-raiders
Jones-Drew agrees to contract with #Raiders http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/jones-drew-agrees-contract-raiders
msommer
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I read that this off season the Raiders have added about a dozen veteran players most of which would become immediate starters.
WTF? What happened to build through the draft? This is Reggie's third draft and here's 12 vets from the outside getting annointed starters?
2012: Tony Bergstrom, Miles Burris, Jack Crawford, Juron Criner, Christo Bilukidi, Nathan Stupar
2013: DJ Hayden, Menelik Watson, Sio Moore, Tyler Wilson, Nick Kasa, Latavius Murray, Mychal Rivera, Stacy McGee, Brice Butler, David Bass
Impact players?
When will Reggie start drafting starters?
I am aware that the Raiders need to throw a lot of cash around this year but wouldn't it be nice to have more to show for two (ok arguably one and a half) drafts by now?
WTF? What happened to build through the draft? This is Reggie's third draft and here's 12 vets from the outside getting annointed starters?
2012: Tony Bergstrom, Miles Burris, Jack Crawford, Juron Criner, Christo Bilukidi, Nathan Stupar
2013: DJ Hayden, Menelik Watson, Sio Moore, Tyler Wilson, Nick Kasa, Latavius Murray, Mychal Rivera, Stacy McGee, Brice Butler, David Bass
Impact players?
When will Reggie start drafting starters?
I am aware that the Raiders need to throw a lot of cash around this year but wouldn't it be nice to have more to show for two (ok arguably one and a half) drafts by now?
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Whatever happened to building through the draft is this: Not a thing. Unfortunately, the Raiders needed upgrades at almost every spot on the field, and tragically were unable to acquire 20 draft picks this year. The Raiders had a ton of cap, so were required to spend money. They spent quite a bit of 2014 cap on vets with great reputations, that will improve them now. I say 2014 cap because every single guy they signed, if they choose to replace next year, cost zero on the future cap. Most of the vets they signed, will be around and useful for the two years they are signed for. Two years, by the way, is when a lot of teams will start looking to get out from under the huge contracts given to guys like Michael Johnson and Aqib Talib. The Raiders didn't place any strain on future salary caps with any of these short term moves.
Veldheer and Houston walking, we shall have to see. I wanted both to stay. The Raiders seemed to feel neither was worth front line money, and we will see if they were right. Same as Giants letting Linval Joseph go, or Pats letting Talib go.
In two years the Raiders have had one 1st rounder, and one 2nd rounder. We should be looking for multiple impact players, I guess. Fair enough. Seems like slightly high standards to me, but OK.
2012 highest pick was a 3rd rounder, and we have 1 starter, and 4 guys still on the team. I would say not great, not terrible. Where's the impact 4th/5th/6th rounders? You got me there.
2013: Not to soon to grade a draft is it? Hayden/Watson/Moore/McGee all penciled in to start, and I could include Rivera in that group perhaps. Kasa, Murray Butler all expected to make the club this year, and final chapter is not written on their contribution. The story of this draft will have a lot to do with the top two picks, who were both injured last year. Hayden and Watson will determine the success of the draft. Either way, everyone agrees that one year is too soon to grade a draft, unless it's this one, amirite?? Is this already a bad draft? Does anyone feel comfortable saying that? Crystal ball is better than mine.
McGee is a good example of the plan. Raiders signed Pat Sims and Vance Walker to short, cap-friendly deals last year. This was not a long term fix. It was, however, an improvement on the bodies on the roster. Having Sims and Walker did not preclude the Raiders from drafting a DT, who is now in the 2nd year of a 6th rounders rookie contract, and will start this year. Having Justin Tuck won't prevent them from drafting Clowney, and having James Jones won't prevent them from drafting Sammy Watkins. The Raiders also performed three trade-downs last year, I believe, acquiring more picks. I am sure they would love to do so this year, but I have a feeling that a lot of teams will be looking to trade down in this year's draft.
A lot of Raiders fans have the same feeling you have. Should have gotten more out of the drafts they have had, and should have signed all the 20-something free agents. I am fine with the plan as it stands. I don't want to pay Michael Johnson or Talib or Byrd 9 mill a year, the top free agent deals rarely prove to be worth the money, and the best free agent deals tend to be from the 2nd tier free agents, guys like James Jones, and Tarell Brown, and Kevin Boothe.
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Mr. Brownstone
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MJD was about all we had in Jacksonville for several years. He's a good guy. I hope he does well for you guys.
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massraider
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One or two out of how many? How many young 'core' free agents were out there? Here's a pretty comprehensive free agent list.
QB: None. Vick was #1 option.
RB: Ben Tate. 2 years, 7 mill? Geez, would have liked to beat that price.
WR: Decker/Maclin/Nicks. Decker is a #2 guy, getting #1 guy money. Pass on that, as far as I am concerned. Maclin was willing to play a prove it year in Philly, and Nicks, I think is done. Should we have thrown money at any of these guys?
TE: Finley was top free agent, had spinal fusion something or other that sounds really bad.
OT: Think we should have transitioned Veldheer. No doubt.
OG: Geoff Schwartz--who signed right away with Giants.
DE: Michael Bennett, Michael Johnson, Lamarr Houston, Arthur Jones, Everson Griffin. JMO, every single one of these guys was overpaid, I would have given Houston that contract personally, but Johnson? NO. And Bennett and Griffin re-signed, were these guys we let slip away, or guys we had no shot at?
DT: Linval Joseph. That's it. No other 20-something DT was seen as a cornerstone anything.
OLB: Nobody. Not a soul.
MLB: Wesley Woodyard was the only young guy to leave his team. Anyone think he's a core anything? Cleveland Browns, who like us, have holes and lots of cap, paid Dansby. Who is old, but still good. Not much here.
CB: Talib, Verner, Grimes, Shields. Two re-signed with their team, and the other two signed top deals elsewhere. not sure if we were even in the running, but I would have taken Verner at that price.
Tate, Linval Joseph (who one could argue was overpaid), Verner, were the only free agents that I think were worth the deals they got. Big deals for Maclin, or Melton, or Nicks, no team thought they were worth it.
If we had re-signed Veldheer and Houston, and made EVERY other signing we had (minus Penn obviously), I would have considered free agency a smashing success.
I disagree with losing JV and Houston, and we shall see if that was money they should have spent. But I have no problem with the free agents they did sign. And actually, I wonder if the front office shouldn't get a little benefit of the doubt on these scrub free agents.
Some of last year's garbage free agents: Rashad Jennings/Tracy Porter/Vance Walker. All signed multi year deals this offseason.
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