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2014 Oakland Raiders Regular Season Thread (1 Viewer)

Chaka said:
krsone21 said:
DA RAIDERS said:
Hayden, Allen, letting veldheer and Houston walk and Flynn and schaub are the biggest Reggie gaffs IMHO

Not having a coach is a problem. If the team shows some life down the stretch, maybe they can entice someone good to come in
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Veldheer and Houston weren't that big of losses. Bear fans were getting frustrated with Houston already and Penn has been just as good as Veldheer. Really the only thing Veldheer had on Penn is youth.
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All hints being equal I youth was worth it but it definitely worked out well and for significantly less :moneybag:
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it may work out just fine. my issue with it, was from a decision making process. JV should have been tagged. it makes me leery of this off season. does wiz walk?

 
Chaka said:
krsone21 said:
DA RAIDERS said:
Hayden, Allen, letting veldheer and Houston walk and Flynn and schaub are the biggest Reggie gaffs IMHO

Not having a coach is a problem. If the team shows some life down the stretch, maybe they can entice someone good to come in
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Veldheer and Houston weren't that big of losses. Bear fans were getting frustrated with Houston already and Penn has been just as good as Veldheer. Really the only thing Veldheer had on Penn is youth.
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All hints being equal I youth was worth it but it definitely worked out well and for significantly less :moneybag:
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I agree with everything being equal going with youth is the better choice then, that being said having Veldheer here wasn't going to make a difference on a 1-10 team and like you said we saved significant money on a player that is giving us similar results in Penn.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
Chaka said:
krsone21 said:
DA RAIDERS said:
Hayden, Allen, letting veldheer and Houston walk and Flynn and schaub are the biggest Reggie gaffs IMHO

Not having a coach is a problem. If the team shows some life down the stretch, maybe they can entice someone good to come in
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Veldheer and Houston weren't that big of losses. Bear fans were getting frustrated with Houston already and Penn has been just as good as Veldheer. Really the only thing Veldheer had on Penn is youth.
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All hints being equal I youth was worth it but it definitely worked out well and for significantly less :moneybag:
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it may work out just fine. my issue with it, was from a decision making process. JV should have been tagged. it makes me leery of this off season. does wiz walk?
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I agree with that. I'm wondering how Wiz will be handled this offseason. I would think if he was a big priority for the team they would have singed him to an extension already, right?

 
Question:

Let's say Latavius shows enough over the rest of the year that he looks like a potential lead back. Not necessarily tearing it up, but averages 4+ yards a carry the rest of the way.

Todd Gurley is available at the top of the 2nd round. Would my fellow Raider fans endorse drafting him?

 
massraider said:
Question:

Let's say Latavius shows enough over the rest of the year that he looks like a potential lead back. Not necessarily tearing it up, but averages 4+ yards a carry the rest of the way.

Todd Gurley is available at the top of the 2nd round. Would my fellow Raider fans endorse drafting him?
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acl tear?

 
When other teams seem to be rolling out 4+ round RBs, I find it hard to invest a top 2nd in an RB if Murray does perform well the rest of the season (4+ ypc).

That's what makes this year's RB situation even more frustrating...to have TWO old, washed up RBs rotating for the whole season instead of having younger, upside projects in those roster spots to build for the future...it seems like extremely short-sighted roster management. I mean, ONE old vet RB just in case, sure. But TWO? Ugh.

So, no, I don't think we should go RB at the top of the 2nd, even if it's Gurley (maybe he's the next TRich ;) )

 
DA RAIDERS said:
massraider said:
Question:

Let's say Latavius shows enough over the rest of the year that he looks like a potential lead back. Not necessarily tearing it up, but averages 4+ yards a carry the rest of the way.

Todd Gurley is available at the top of the 2nd round. Would my fellow Raider fans endorse drafting him?
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acl tear?
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joey said:
When other teams seem to be rolling out 4+ round RBs, I find it hard to invest a top 2nd in an RB if Murray does perform well the rest of the season (4+ ypc).

That's what makes this year's RB situation even more frustrating...to have TWO old, washed up RBs rotating for the whole season instead of having younger, upside projects in those roster spots to build for the future...it seems like extremely short-sighted roster management. I mean, ONE old vet RB just in case, sure. But TWO? Ugh.

So, no, I don't think we should go RB at the top of the 2nd, even if it's Gurley (maybe he's the next TRich ;) )
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exactly. and add on the acl. no way

 
DA RAIDERS said:
massraider said:
Question:

Let's say Latavius shows enough over the rest of the year that he looks like a potential lead back. Not necessarily tearing it up, but averages 4+ yards a carry the rest of the way.

Todd Gurley is available at the top of the 2nd round. Would my fellow Raider fans endorse drafting him?
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acl tear?
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That's why he'd be available at the top of the 2nd, I am assuming.

Joey brings up a good point, you can get decent backs later in the draft. Gurley is on a different level, however. I dunno, I can make a darn good argument on either side.

 
massraider said:
Question:

Let's say Latavius shows enough over the rest of the year that he looks like a potential lead back. Not necessarily tearing it up, but averages 4+ yards a carry the rest of the way.

Todd Gurley is available at the top of the 2nd round. Would my fellow Raider fans endorse drafting him?
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No. They either need to go OT then WR or WR then OT. RB should not be on the radar that early.

 
Chaka said:
massraider said:
Question:

Let's say Latavius shows enough over the rest of the year that he looks like a potential lead back. Not necessarily tearing it up, but averages 4+ yards a carry the rest of the way.

Todd Gurley is available at the top of the 2nd round. Would my fellow Raider fans endorse drafting him?
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No. They either need to go OT then WR or WR then OT. RB should not be on the radar that early.
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My preference would be WR then DL or DL then WR. The Raiders need a playmaker at WR and they need a big updgrade at DL. They have 12 sacks in 11 games on the year. DL in my opinion is a bigger need then OT.

 
massraider said:
Question:

Let's say Latavius shows enough over the rest of the year that he looks like a potential lead back. Not necessarily tearing it up, but averages 4+ yards a carry the rest of the way.

Todd Gurley is available at the top of the 2nd round. Would my fellow Raider fans endorse drafting him?
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Top of the 2nd round? In a heartbeat!

 
krsone21 said:
Chaka said:
massraider said:
Question:

Let's say Latavius shows enough over the rest of the year that he looks like a potential lead back. Not necessarily tearing it up, but averages 4+ yards a carry the rest of the way.

Todd Gurley is available at the top of the 2nd round. Would my fellow Raider fans endorse drafting him?
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No. They either need to go OT then WR or WR then OT. RB should not be on the radar that early.
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My preference would be WR then DL or DL then WR. The Raiders need a playmaker at WR and they need a big updgrade at DL. They have 12 sacks in 11 games on the year. DL in my opinion is a bigger need then OT.
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I agree that they need DL but I think there is a ton more DL available then WR or OT in free agency. With all that cap space that seems like the place to go shopping.
 
I don't care at all about what position at what pick. It sounds obvious, but I care about getting good players. Let's say we stay where we are, and take Leo Williams, just for the sake of argument, as he seems to be the top candidate for us.

2nd round, I could make an argument for a WR, a FS, a MLB, LT, TE, CB, or another DE/DT.

But if Gurley is as good as advertised, what? We don't have room for him? The Raiders don't need Todd Gurley?

We need some 'special' on offense, whether it's WR, TE, or RB. Carr definitely need pass catchers that can hang onto the ball and make plays, I am on board with that.

But Gurley looks like a stud. It's one thing to get by with an Andre Ellington. it's another to add a Le'Veon Bell or Marshawn Lynch.

5 days ago, RB was a major need. I'm not sure it's been solved.

 
massraider said:
I don't care at all about what position at what pick. It sounds obvious, but I care about getting good players. Let's say we stay where we are, and take Leo Williams, just for the sake of argument, as he seems to be the top candidate for us.

2nd round, I could make an argument for a WR, a FS, a MLB, LT, TE, CB, or another DE/DT.

But if Gurley is as good as advertised, what? We don't have room for him? The Raiders don't need Todd Gurley?

We need some 'special' on offense, whether it's WR, TE, or RB. Carr definitely need pass catchers that can hang onto the ball and make plays, I am on board with that.

But Gurley looks like a stud. It's one thing to get by with an Andre Ellington. it's another to add a Le'Veon Bell or Marshawn Lynch.

5 days ago, RB was a major need. I'm not sure it's been solved.
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I disagree that 5 dayse ago RB was a major need. It is a need that is pretty easily filled (and may already be) and not, IMO, worth a 2nd round pick on a guy recovering from an ACL.

 
Definitely seems that they are always available late in drafts.

And I have no doubt there will be a WR or DE I would like there.

 
I would have to at least consider Gurley in the second. I understand that it's not the hardest position to fill, but if you get an elite game changing talent there it makes a difference. There is a reason we are not even sure a guy with a torn ACL will even make it to the second round.

 
No need to take RBs and DBs early. Look at TJ Carrie and Isaiah Crowell. You can find those types of guys late every year. Even Murray rd 6. Take best OL/DL.

This is generalized though. You make exceptions for impact players at WR/LB and even RB/DB. Is Gurley an impact player? How about Mel Gordon?

 
Things are looking up guys. Yesterday was the second Sunday this season where the Raiders didn't take a loss!

:shrug:

 
Oh, and for the bad news on a Monday.... Jacksonville currently owns the 1st overall pick. Their weaker SOS this season makes them the slightly worse 1-10 team.

Prior to this weeks games, the only sub .500 team the Raiders faced this season was the Cleveland Browns.

 
That rule blows by the way. I get the logic behind it, but that doesn't change the fact that it sucks to tell a team that a year after we shafted you with the toughest schedule in the entire league, we're now going to use that fact to punish you in the next draft order.

 
Jax will definitely win he SOS battle the rest of the way too but it also means they are more likely to win a game then the Raiders are.

I think the Raiders may be able to win in St. Louis and at home vs Buffalo (Den, KC and SF seem very unlikely).

Jacksonville has a good shot with home games vs the Giants, Houston and Tennessee, they have a roadie at Houston that is winnable but I don't give them a chance at Baltimore.

 
I know we have a MILLION other needs.... I still really want Mariota. :wub:

Why not take care of the most important position in all of sports and then build from there? Just because Russell busted out doesn't mean you stop trying to find your franchise QB.

 
top D line man

top WR

those are the first 2 picks I want the Raiders to make.

That said, I don't follow college ball in the slightest so I have no clue if there is a first-overall talent at D line in this draft....

 
joey said:
top D line man

top WR

those are the first 2 picks I want the Raiders to make.

That said, I don't follow college ball in the slightest so I have no clue if there is a first-overall talent at D line in this draft....
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:thumbup:

Leonard Williams is who I would take in the 1st round. He is going to be very good.

 
Why go QB when they have Carr in house?

Don't get me wrong I think Mariota is an incredible player but is he more valuable to the Raiders as a starting QB or as an RGIII draft pick windfall?

 
There will be no more RG3 windfalls. He's become a cautionary tale. We have to at least consider Mariota to drive trade value. In the end I trust Carr is our future.

 
Here's the thing: in Carr, you are locking up a capable, mid-level QB. He will never be elite. He just won't. Mariota COULD be one of the three best QBs in the league in a few years. I'm a dice-roller. We passed on Calvin and Peterson and Rodgers, and we always :cry: about it. How about we take a special offensive player for once?

 
I've also heard Kaepernick comparisons, which is ridiculous. Why is Mariota going to be Kaepernick? Because they are both gangly running QBs? Mariota has excelled against top competition. Kaepernick beat up on Utah State and San Jose State. Kaepernick has a cannon, but he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Mariota puts the ball where it needs to be - with touch - and he can take off and run for 25 yards in the blink of an eye.

 
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