Raiderfan32904
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If Reggie is fired, good riddance!
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2014 Oakland Raiders Regular Season Thread (1 Viewer)
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RaiderBones
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joey
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
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massraider
Footballguy
Mildly rooting for Tampa to beat NO next week, just because it increases odds of a big trade down, but way too early in the draft process for that stuff. These current ranking will look silly in three months, it's the same every year. Mariota could go #1, and Winston could fall to 20. Who knows?
if we stay put, and wind up with a Leo Williams or Cooper, or some other plug and play starter, I'm good.
if we stay put, and wind up with a Leo Williams or Cooper, or some other plug and play starter, I'm good.
Chaka
Footballguy
Circumstances be damned, I guess.
You're clearly a big fan of the team but if that is your best argument against keeping him, and you willingly choose to ignore how incredibly well he has the team situated for the future, then I don't trust your judgement.
I don't believe any GM would have done better and had the team in as good of a situation as they are in today.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Glimmer of hope my ###!
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Chaka
Footballguy
So you see no hope for this team?
Pretty much everyone agrees they had the best draft in the NFL by a wide margin this year and last years class seems to be developing nicely too.
And they have a ton of cap space. What's the problem?
People act like they were a year away from a Super Bowl run with Carson Palmer and Hue Jackson. Sorry you missed out on maybe, possibly another 8-8 season (9-7 if they got really really lucky) and at best a first round ### kicking in the playoffs before having to blow everything up. The fact that people act like the franchise wasn't going to have to be blown up at all is really odd too.
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ICON211
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I'm looking at his whole body of work. He has one good draft and one so so draft. He did a terrible job with free agency and a terrible job with the coaching staff. From top to bottom this is one of the least talented rosters in the league. If you don't think any other GM could have done better then do you think Reggie is one of if not the best GM in the NFL? That is crazy to me.
I don't think he did a terrible job with free agency at all....top free agents just aren't willing to join the Raiders right now. You have to start with the draft and make this team a place free agents WANT to go. It is not just about money. So, what did Reggie do? Got them out of salary cap purgatory, then when we had a ton of cap room last year he signed everyone to small 1-2 year cap friendly deals and blew the draft out of the park. They now have a defensive piece to build around and they got the best QB in the draft in the 2nd round. Not to mention the smart deals he signed in free agency last year now allows this team to have the most cap room this year. If he can get a top notch head coach (hopefully Harbaugh) then maybe some of the top free agents will be willing to sign here and this team will be a place they want to play.
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ICON211
Footballguy
I'm not going to praise a guy for a signing a bunch of guys that suck just because their deals are cap friendly. He had the most cap room last year and they have very little to show for it. He has been here for three years and the roster is pretty awful. I am also not ready to call Carr the best QB in the draft yet. He has shown promise, but I am not completely sold on him just yet. I seriously doubt any top notch coach will want to come here with him constructing the roster. Part of that is they will want their own guy, but part of it also is I don't think NFL people think Reggie has done the magnificent job some around here think he has done.Someone gets it.
Chaka
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He didn't sign "a bunch of guys who sucked", he signed signed a bunch of guys who have a history as winners and being good leaders and locker room presences. IIRC they brought in 11 Super bowl appearances and 7 rings. I said this in here months ago that this FA class was all about changing the culture in the locker room and not about the product on the field and I stand by that statement now.
To expand on your point the talent wasn't deep enough for any marquee free agents to have more than a minimal impact in the win column (YAY 5 wins!) do from my perspective Reggie made a bold move in addressing the locker room/leadership void instead.
To expand on your point the talent wasn't deep enough for any marquee free agents to have more than a minimal impact in the win column (YAY 5 wins!) do from my perspective Reggie made a bold move in addressing the locker room/leadership void instead.
ICON211
Footballguy
I don't care how many super bowl appearances they have if they can't play anymore. When you have one of the least talented teams in the league you need players. Some of these signing would have been ok for a team that needed part time situational guys that was close to being good already, not this team. This team lost 52-0 to the Rams a couple weeks ago so how much has really changed? The culture of this team is losing which has not changed.
Chaka
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massraider
Footballguy
Been asking this forever, forget about a response.LawFitz said:
massraider
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/free-agents
Here's a list, ranking the players, and where they signed. Among the players that left their original team, who should we have signed that we realistically had a shot at?
Here's a list, ranking the players, and where they signed. Among the players that left their original team, who should we have signed that we realistically had a shot at?
massraider
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ICON211
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Vontae Davis
Golden Tate
Henry Melton
Rashad Jennings (this was easy. re-sign Jennings and go with him an Murray)
There were some guys out there worth signing. And I already acknowledged I am cherry picking names, but it's his job to find and sign the right guys. He had the most cap room in the league. Don't you think he should have come away with a few players that could help this team past 1 year?
Some of you guys are exited about the young upstart Raiders and Reggie.You are assuming that he didn't reach out for any of those guys. Again, its not always about money....players have to Want to come to Oakland. The best way to do that is to build up through the draft and then free agents will be coming to you to sign instead of the other way around.
Also, if you don't know think Carr is the best QB in this past draft who would you rather have that was drafted this past year?
massraider
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massraider
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Hey, if you like Henry Melton, stick around, because I am predicting the Cowboys cut him by March.
ICON211
Footballguy
Carr might be. I just need to see more and i would like to see it with better WRs and a better coaching staff. I like a lot of what I have seen so far just not ready to say he is definitely the answer or the best QB in this draft. I think Bortles will end up being the best. The Raiders obviously did not have a shot at him, not saying they should have gotten him just my opinion of who will be the best QB from this draft.
ICON211
Footballguy
You're pretty big on sarcastic posts that you think are witty and cute. I gave you a few names and I asked if you thought if Reggie should have gotten a few guys that could help past 1 year with the most cap room in the league. I didn't hear anything on that front. How about this.....what grade 1-10 would you give him for free agency last year?
massraider
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I agree it's way too early to tell with Carr. Best we can say is, so far, so good. If someone said they prefer Bortles or Bridgewater, I am fine with that as well.
I like Teddy B a lot, I DO think Carr has more upside, he has that much more arm talent. Teddy's arm, to me, looks like there's some limitations there.
This last draft looks very good, and maybe spectacular if Carr is the guy. And every game, last year's draft looks better and better. This time last year, that draft was called terrible. Suddenly, Latavius, Hayden, Rivera, Sio Moore, and Watson are all getting PT, and calling the draft terrible sounds silly. Jury is out on Watson and Hayden long term, obviously, but neither has looked like a wasted pick. Tyler Wilson, that was the miss. A 4th round QB.
Based on these drafts, and those alone, I think Reggie should keep his job. Free agency? Look,there's few things definite. For all we know, Golden Tate would have come here, but Reggie didn't think he was worth it, or Reggie offered him 10 mill a year, and Tate wanted nothing to do with us. I would have paid Veldheer and Houston personally, but Penn has been perfectly fine. DE is a hole for us, but you know what? Chicago went and got Houston and Jared Allen, and Willie Young has been their best DE.
Willie Young should be the model, across all positions, for free agency. Michael Johnson, Lamar Houston, Willie Young. Which was the best free agent move?? Willie Young. But no one would have applauded that move. Get the young guys that are still hoping to make more money, not the guys that cash a $25 mill bonus check, and start buying cars.
And that's not cherry-picking, that's just one example. You can take the big dollar signing at every spot, and I can show you a mid-range FA that outplayed them.
I also take issue with the fact that the Raiders have nothing to show for free agency. Simply not true. Donald Penn, Austin Howard, Justin Tuck, Tarell Brown, James Jones, those were all hits. Shaub, Woodley, and Carlos Rogers were misses, and they will all be gone, with no cap hit.
Brown and Rogers were signed because we had NO cornerbacks. They were bridges. Bridges to young CBs that the team would hopefully get elsewhere. Enter Hayden, Carrie, McGill. Tarell Brown could be the 3rd corner for this team next year, which looks a lot better than him being the #1.
I like Teddy B a lot, I DO think Carr has more upside, he has that much more arm talent. Teddy's arm, to me, looks like there's some limitations there.
This last draft looks very good, and maybe spectacular if Carr is the guy. And every game, last year's draft looks better and better. This time last year, that draft was called terrible. Suddenly, Latavius, Hayden, Rivera, Sio Moore, and Watson are all getting PT, and calling the draft terrible sounds silly. Jury is out on Watson and Hayden long term, obviously, but neither has looked like a wasted pick. Tyler Wilson, that was the miss. A 4th round QB.
Based on these drafts, and those alone, I think Reggie should keep his job. Free agency? Look,there's few things definite. For all we know, Golden Tate would have come here, but Reggie didn't think he was worth it, or Reggie offered him 10 mill a year, and Tate wanted nothing to do with us. I would have paid Veldheer and Houston personally, but Penn has been perfectly fine. DE is a hole for us, but you know what? Chicago went and got Houston and Jared Allen, and Willie Young has been their best DE.
Willie Young should be the model, across all positions, for free agency. Michael Johnson, Lamar Houston, Willie Young. Which was the best free agent move?? Willie Young. But no one would have applauded that move. Get the young guys that are still hoping to make more money, not the guys that cash a $25 mill bonus check, and start buying cars.
And that's not cherry-picking, that's just one example. You can take the big dollar signing at every spot, and I can show you a mid-range FA that outplayed them.
I also take issue with the fact that the Raiders have nothing to show for free agency. Simply not true. Donald Penn, Austin Howard, Justin Tuck, Tarell Brown, James Jones, those were all hits. Shaub, Woodley, and Carlos Rogers were misses, and they will all be gone, with no cap hit.
Brown and Rogers were signed because we had NO cornerbacks. They were bridges. Bridges to young CBs that the team would hopefully get elsewhere. Enter Hayden, Carrie, McGill. Tarell Brown could be the 3rd corner for this team next year, which looks a lot better than him being the #1.
massraider
Footballguy
Read my post above.
Apologies if it sounded nasty, I really didn't mean it to be. Funny thing is, if we go after Melton this spring, I'll be OK with it, depending on the contract. But I follow the salary cap a little bit, it interests me. Melton is playing about 20-30% of the snaps, and due to their salary cap space, I cannot see any way he sticks around.
Fact is, the Cowboys didn't get much more,if any more, than we did from Antonio Smith. They just didn't.
To answer your question: I probably give McKenzie a C. Some value plays, but no Tates or Martellus Bennett-type mid-range home runs. Schaub was a waste of time, Woodley looks done, Jones-Drew was a waste of time.
James Jones, Donald Penn, Austin Howard, re-signing Woodson, and not paying Houston all good moves.
I would have loved Vontae Davis or Revis, or Melton last spring, but I feel safe in assuming that that none of those guys were seriously considering OAK.
No financial disasters in free agency, no Michael Johnson or Mike Wallace sized mistakes, and two positive drafts out of three (and the third with no 1st or 2nd rounders). Yeah, I think Reggie deserves to stay.
The last two drafts:
Khalil Mack
Sio Moore
Derek Carr
Latavius Murray
Gabe Jackson
Jelly Ellis
Mychal Rivera
DJ Hayden
Menelik Watson
TJ Carrie
Brice Butler
Stacy McGee
I really can't believe the guy that drafted the above names in two years is on a hot seat.
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massraider
Footballguy
I have to admit one of the biggest reasons I don't want Reggie gone is it shows lack of stability.
However, if Reggie gone means Harbaugh comes in with a smart personnel guy from San Fran, I don't think that's a terrible move.
My dream scenario:
Harbaugh comes in, is happy with Reggie, and brings in Trestman as his OC.
I'm also liking Todd Bowles from AZ. He has done amazing things with an injury-ravaged defense.
However, if Reggie gone means Harbaugh comes in with a smart personnel guy from San Fran, I don't think that's a terrible move.
My dream scenario:
Harbaugh comes in, is happy with Reggie, and brings in Trestman as his OC.
I'm also liking Todd Bowles from AZ. He has done amazing things with an injury-ravaged defense.
RaiderBones
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Here is the problem with free agency. I'm sure Reggie did reach out to a few of those players, but lets face it who would want to come to a rebuilding team that is basically starting from scratch when you can sign for similar money to a team that can win now. Until the Raiders can prove to the league that they have turned the corner the Raiders will have a hard time getting young quality talent to come to Oakland.
massraider
Footballguy
Agree,and I think everyone agrees we weren't anyone's first choice. I worry if Reggie goes, the attitude is that we are starting over again.
I have to believe with Carr, and the youth,and the way other teams have collapsed, we are no longer as unattractive.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am not willing to call Carr the best QB in this class just yet. I like him but they posted this during the Bills game today and, IIRC, he has the 3rd most attempts, 4th most completions and 15th most yards for a rookie QB ever. That last number is the telling one, he isn't passing for big gains. Heck he isn't even passing for medium gains, he has strictly been a short pass guy even historically among his peers. YPA is one of the most telling stats for any QB and his needs to improve significantly.
ETA: 5.5 YPA is bad...like Joey Harrington bad.
I should probably check his splits on that stat and see if he has been better over the last 6 games.
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Chaka
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Chaka
Footballguy
I like Melton but I am not sure you will agree with me on this but I think 23 year old 4th round pick Justin Ellis is probably close to being as good as 28 year old Henry Melton who has only started 3 of 14 games for Dallas.
And I don't think you can say Melton has faced more competition in Dallas considering they were historically inept last season.
Chaka
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He was also very hamstrung in his first draft (3, 4, 5, 5, 6 & 7 round picks) but managed to pull Miles Burris in the 4th round.
Chaka
Footballguy
I agree with pretty much all of that.
I like Reggie a lot more than most but I am not married to the guy.
I have seen enough from Carr to believe he is our QB of the future. I think has lack of ypa can be explained by the lack of creativity by the OC and the lack of talent at the wr position. This team desperately needs to give this kid some weapons that are a legitimate threat to the defense.
Chaka
Footballguy
It can be explained by all of those things but the bottom line is 5.5 ypa is historically bad.
Bortles is at 6.3 YPA and Bridgewater is at 7 YPA. I don't think you can really say the talent surrounding either of them is appreciably better than what Carr has around him.
Again, I like Carr, but I am not comfortable saying he will grow into a front line top 10 NFL QB. Eli and Flacco have shown that you don't need to be that for a career and if you can muster it for a season (or the back half of a season and the playoffs) then it will be enough. But I haven't seen enough from Carr to say he will be capable of doing that.
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YPA is a weird stat to focus on at this point. How many passing yards does Carr have in relation to other rookie QBs? How about TDs?
Did you watch the game last week? The WRs dropped at least 5 very catchable balls last week. All were longer than Carr's avg. WRs play a BIG role in YPA. Personally, I think the WRs around Bridgewater and Brotles are better than the Raiders WRs.
Did you watch the game last week? The WRs dropped at least 5 very catchable balls last week. All were longer than Carr's avg. WRs play a BIG role in YPA. Personally, I think the WRs around Bridgewater and Brotles are better than the Raiders WRs.
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joey
Footballguy
Agree that STABILITY would be a great thing to have around here for a change.
Reggie has had enough hits with the cards stacked against him (sure he's had some misses as well), so I think Stability should reign supreme and not go back to the "Change every couple of years" schtick.
Speaking of stability...any chance Sporano has earned the head coach gig next year after the strong performances the past few weeks?
Reggie has had enough hits with the cards stacked against him (sure he's had some misses as well), so I think Stability should reign supreme and not go back to the "Change every couple of years" schtick.
Speaking of stability...any chance Sporano has earned the head coach gig next year after the strong performances the past few weeks?
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Footballguy
The Broncos win tomorrow night, they will likely sit their starters next week. Raiders could play their way outta a top six pick.
massraider
Footballguy
I feel a lot better about this team finishing strong, and not having a top 3 pick.
RaiderBones
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James Jones
Andre Holmes
Denarius Moore
Brice Butler
Vincent Brown
Kenbrell Thompkins
Mychael Rivera
Brian Leonhardt
Scott Simonson
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RaiderBones
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