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2014 Oakland Raiders Regular Season Thread (2 Viewers)

The Raiders’ coaching search is off and running, with two former NFL head coaches getting permission for interviews, a hot defensive coordinator coming in next week and two more former head coaches on the back burner.







Eagles offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur and 49ers tight ends coach Eric Mangini were granted permission to interview with Oakland. Cardinals defensive coordinator Todd Bowles, who is getting ready for a playoff game, will talk to Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie and owner Mark Davis next week, according to league sources.

The Raiders are also expected to interview Broncos defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio at some point and remain curious about former Packers head coach Mike Holmgren. It’s clear Oakland is looking for an experienced head coach after its last four full-time hires were rookies.

Interim head coach Tony Sparano will also get a formal interview with McKenzie and Davis at some point.

A quick look at the candidates:

•Shurmur: He has spent the past two seasons as an offensive coordinator in Philly under Chip Kelly, who calls all the plays. He was 9-23 as head coach of the Browns in 2011 and ’12 and is the nephew of former Packers defensive coordinator Fritz Shurmur, who worked with McKenzie in Green Bay.

•Mangini: He has been with the 49ers the past two seasons. In the season just ended, he was the team’s tight ends coach. The Bill Belichick disciple was head coach of the New York Jets from 2006-08 and the Cleveland Browns in 2009 and ’10. During that time, he compiled a 33-47 record.

•Bowles: The Raiders were interested in him before they hired Dennis Allen in 2012. The Cardinals allowed the fifth fewest points this season and the seventh fewest the previous season. Bowles also has some history following Sparano, as he replaced him in Miami for three games in 2011, after Sparano was fired. Bowles went 2-1.

•Del Rio: The former Hayward high school standout, who is busy getting ready for the playoffs, had a chat with Davis on the field before Sunday’s game in Denver. He was the head coach of the Jaguars from 2003-2011, posting a 68-71 record and making two playoff appearances.

•Holmgren: The Super Bowl-winning coach has been thinking about coming back to the sideline after a six-year absence. Holmgren visited the Raiders in October after Allen was fired. He said Monday that he has gotten a couple of inquiries about coaching, but league sources said he still needs a little persuading to make a comeback at 66.

•Sparano: Davis has enjoyed his weekly chats with Sparano after having essentially no dialogue with Allen, and appreciated the job Sparano did in keeping players vested and winning three of the last six games. Sparano is the only coach on staff under contract for next season, which gives the Raiders a viable candidate in their back pocket if other options don’t look promising.

 
Raider Nation said:
LawFitz said:
It's a complete pipe dream, but I wish Reggie would correct the single biggest mistake of his tenure... Firing Hue Jackson.
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I've never understood your infatuation with Hue. He's got a nice array of weapons in Cincy and their offense is firmly in the middle of the pack in the entire NFL. He's no genius -- he's just another offensive coordinator.
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The point is moot, and I fully recognize that it's not a popular opinion, but

With garbage personnel, Hue Jax took our perennial bottom feeder offense and turned it into a top-ten unit both of the years he was here. He also brought a moxy that flowed through the locker room and all the way into my living room, the likes of which I haven't seen since the Gruden days.

He Plaxico'd himself with the Carson Palmer trade and the pedicures, and was doomed to fail here no matter what because of our putrid defense and cap situation. However, I truly feel that Hue Jax was a shot in the arm for this org and will be an asset wherever he goes, even if the totality of his next situation doesn't result in the wins necessary to produce "success" or longevity as a head coach.

 
What concerns me about candidates like Bevell and Bowles is that they do not have previous head coaching experience at any level. It doesn't mean they wont be successful, but they will be learning on the job. And with learning on the job comes mistakes. Personally, I would rather see the Raiders rehire Sparano and hope he brings in someone like Trestman to be the OC. My order of preference is Schurmur then Sparano based on the candidates that have interviewed thus far.

 
The thought of Mangini as our new HC makes me want to throw up.

No one mentioned so far gets me excited. Some have potential but all have big question marks one way or the other. Out of them all Del Rio is the one that I like the most so far.

 
From my point of view the HC will only be as good as the staff. So regardless of whether the name of the HC is inspiring or not it is the guys he brings in as his staff that should get fans excited or not.

 
Also, while Mangini is about as exciting as shoe leather guys like Belichick and Carroll both failed pretty miserably in their first attempts as Head Coaches in the NFL.

 
Darrell Bevell confirmed as HC interview.

Connection with Reggie from his Green Bay years. He's a young guy, 44, and aside from Seattle, he was the OC for Minny from 2006-2010. They went to the playoffs with Gus Frerotte and Tarvaris Jackson at QB, and again with Favre.

 
I do like that Bevell is willing to change things up. Tried to push the passing game this year but returned to the rushing game when things werent running so smooth

 
32 Counter Pass said:
What concerns me about candidates like Bevell and Bowles is that they do not have previous head coaching experience at any level.
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Just like Jon Gruden.

Please, no past failures and head coaching retreads. Give me somebody with some new ideas.

 
Ed Wood said:
32 Counter Pass said:
What concerns me about candidates like Bevell and Bowles is that they do not have previous head coaching experience at any level.
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Just like Jon Gruden.Please, no past failures and head coaching retreads. Give me somebody with some new ideas.
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I think it's a legit concern, coming off Dennis Allen who likewise had zero head coaching experience before face planting as HC of the Raiders. Not every up and comer is a Jon Gruden.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
Chadstroma said:
The thought of Mangini as our new HC makes me want to throw up.

No one mentioned so far gets me excited. Some have potential but all have big question marks one way or the other. Out of them all Del Rio is the one that I like the most so far.
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same here
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+1

One attribute necessary to be a great coach is the ability to adapt. Mangenuis gives the complete opposite impression. Pass.

 
joey said:
Chip Kelly in the mix?
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I can't see Chip Kelly in the mix unless the Eagles fire him or trade him to the Raiders. Unless you mean Brian Kelly from Notre Dame. It was just announced on Twitter that Chip Kelly is now the head of player personnel in Philadelphia as well so I doubt he is going anywhere.

 
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krsone21 said:
joey said:
Chip Kelly in the mix?
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I can't see Chip Kelly in the mix unless the Eagles fire him or trade him to the Raiders. Unless you mean Brian Kelly from Notre Dame. It was just announced on Twitter that Chip Kelly is now the head of player personnel in Philadelphia as well so I doubt he is going anywhere.
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wow. that Chip Kelly story changed directions quickly. can't blink...

 
32 Counter Pass said:
DA RAIDERS said:
Chadstroma said:
The thought of Mangini as our new HC makes me want to throw up.

No one mentioned so far gets me excited. Some have potential but all have big question marks one way or the other. Out of them all Del Rio is the one that I like the most so far.
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same here
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+1

One attribute necessary to be a great coach is the ability to adapt. Mangenuis gives the complete opposite impression. Pass.
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No thanks

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1229910-life-on-the-roster-bubble-thoughts-from-a-former-nfl-player?search_query=mangini%20riddle

 
What POS. See folks, just when you think we have hit rock bottom, there is always another level down. Let's hope Davis doesn't choose to go down to that level. :P

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Ed Wood said:
32 Counter Pass said:
What concerns me about candidates like Bevell and Bowles is that they do not have previous head coaching experience at any level.
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Just like Jon Gruden.Please, no past failures and head coaching retreads. Give me somebody with some new ideas.
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I think it's a legit concern, coming off Dennis Allen who likewise had zero head coaching experience before face planting as HC of the Raiders. Not every up and comer is a Jon Gruden.
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Ha! After I turned off my computer last night, I said to myself, "Uh, Dennis Allen didn't have any head coaching experience either, dummy." :topcat:

So, yep, that is a concern about Bevell and Bowles. But I'll bet it was easy to see why Gruden impressed Al. He could probably just see the :hot: in him.

With Allen, what could he have possibly done to impress McKenzie? He appears to have no fire and no passion. I had a bad feeling the first time I heard him speak. :toilet:

Can you imagine Gruden and Allen interviewing for the same job? Gruden would get hired 97 out of a 100 times. The three times he wouldn't, it would be Reggie McKenzie doing the hiring...

 
Deamon said:
Hankmoody said:
ICON211 said:
32 Counter Pass said:
Latest reports have Harbaugh taking the Michigan job: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2311793-sources-jim-harbaugh-expected-to-take-michigan-job

I hope Todd Bowles and Pat Schurmur are at the top of the list now.
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Why so high on Schurmur? Where is he now?
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OC in Philly for the last 2 years.
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That has been 100% Chip calling those plays. OC in Philly doesn't do a heck of a lot.... definitely not enough to start saying he's HC material.
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Correct that Kelly has been calling plays, I didn't indicate otherwise. However, I don't agree that that doesn't qualify him a HC material. He was a HC in Cleveland and got hosed with a quick hook when they . He's been with Chip Kelly for two years now, and if you've watched the Eagles and the Kelly story, he's light years ahead of the rest of the NFL with some of his concepts. I'm not talking about the read option, I'm talking about the sports science aspects. The read option may or may not stick, it may or may not work with a given personell/QB, but the rest of what he does it going to change the league. I'd love to see the Raiders get in early with Shurmur.

 
Hankmoody said:
Deamon said:
Hankmoody said:
ICON211 said:
32 Counter Pass said:
Latest reports have Harbaugh taking the Michigan job: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2311793-sources-jim-harbaugh-expected-to-take-michigan-job

I hope Todd Bowles and Pat Schurmur are at the top of the list now.
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Why so high on Schurmur? Where is he now?
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OC in Philly for the last 2 years.
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That has been 100% Chip calling those plays. OC in Philly doesn't do a heck of a lot.... definitely not enough to start saying he's HC material.
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Correct that Kelly has been calling plays, I didn't indicate otherwise. However, I don't agree that that doesn't qualify him a HC material. He was a HC in Cleveland and got hosed with a quick hook when they . He's been with Chip Kelly for two years now, and if you've watched the Eagles and the Kelly story, he's light years ahead of the rest of the NFL with some of his concepts. I'm not talking about the read option, I'm talking about the sports science aspects. The read option may or may not stick, it may or may not work with a given personell/QB, but the rest of what he does it going to change the league. I'd love to see the Raiders get in early with Shurmur.
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Bill Lazor has taken the Kelly system to Miami with some success as an OC. Would Shumur bring that with him?

 
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Bill Lazor has taken the Kelly system to Miami with some success as an OC. Would Shumur bring that with him?
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That's the hope, yes. Shurmur is already a QB guy, he got quite a bit out of Colt McCoy when he was in Cleveland, and now Foles has outplayed his draft slot as well. I think he'd have a good impact on Carr, which is far and away the top priority for the Raiders.

 
Rotoworld:

Jack Del Rio - DL - Broncos

The Raiders have requested permission to interview Broncos DC Jack Del Rio.

With the Broncos returning to work on Sunday, the Raiders will try to get the interview in on Saturday. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported Monday Del Rio would draw "significant interest" from the Raiders, and ESPN Raiders reporter Bill Williamson believes Del Rio is the "favorite" for the Oakland job. Del Rio has overseen a dominant defense the last three seasons in Denver, but had a rough go in eight and a half years as the Jaguars head coach prior to joining the Broncos.

Source: Denver Post

Jan 3 - 10:26 AM
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Yeah, if the draft were to happen today, I would be hoping that Mariota and Winston went 1/2, and our pick could play out like last year, where it seemed like Oakland let Mack or Watkins fall to them, this time with Leo Williams or Amari.

Of course, it won't play out that way. I could definitely see Tampa or Tennessee making a different move for a QB, and going after Williams in particular. Lovie runs that Cover-2, and getting pressure from the front four makes that whole defense go.

Aside from Mangini, I am fine with these coaching candidates. Bowles seems unlikely, as he'll have his pick, and we probably aren't the #1 destination for anyone, and he's been a 3-4 guy.

Probably rooting for Shurmer, but not sure I am against anyone else. Everyone wants the hot coordinator, I get that, and I understand why, but a HC with previous experience has value. They've already made rookie coach mistakes, and they were all the hot coordinator at one time or another as well.

There are plenty of examples of fired guys succeeding at the next gig, and plenty more examples of the hot coordinator falling on his face.

 
I have already said this might not be the right spot for Rex Ryan given the development issues of his young QBs, but if the OC was somebody like a Trestman I think I could get behind that. Have not heard much on the Rex Ryan front though.

 
Chaka said:
Del Rio has a losing record and 2 playoff appearances in 9 seasons as a head coach. Yay?
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There aren't a whole lot of unemployed coaches with winning career records. I wonder why that is.

Belichick was 35-44 and one winning season in 5 years with Cleveland.

That said, I'd prefer Bevell, Shurmur, or even Trestman.

 
Hankmoody said:
Chaka said:
Del Rio has a losing record and 2 playoff appearances in 9 seasons as a head coach. Yay?
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There aren't a whole lot of unemployed coaches with winning career records. I wonder why that is.

Belichick was 35-44 and one winning season in 5 years with Cleveland.

That said, I'd prefer Bevell, Shurmur, or even Trestman.
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you do not prefer Shurmur.
 
I'm no Shurmur fan but we definitely need to hire an offensive minded coach to develop Carr as the franchise QB. Look at Arizona tonight as an example of how far you get with defense. One and done. This league is a pass happy league with QB's And stud offensive coach combos. This is how winning happens. Look at Tampa and how it's going for their latest new-hire, Lovie Smith. That's not what we want.

 
massraider said:
Yeah, if the draft were to happen today, I would be hoping that Mariota and Winston went 1/2, and our pick could play out like last year, where it seemed like Oakland let Mack or Watkins fall to them, this time with Leo Williams or Amari.
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Yup, if history is any indicator, and Reggie is making the pick, that is what I would expect. I am starting to wonder if Cooper @ one is the BEST move. Don't get me wrong I really like him, but this draft class is pretty deep at WR. I am not sure it will be as good as last year, but it may be close. Maybe trading down and picking up a pick is the move(?)

 
Man could you imagine if gruden came back how crazy raider football would get. Fans would go nuts. Carr would be happy as hell. I hope whoever we get is a genius, up and coming coach.

 
Can we put the idea of Gruden returning to bed please? Was never gonna happen and his new contract with ESPN buried whatever glimmer of possibility existed. Let's stay in the real world. ;)

 
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