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2014 Oakland Raiders Regular Season Thread (2 Viewers)

Would you get rid of McKenzie already! Not sure how it's possible but that dude has ripped an already bad Raiders organization apart. Why don't they just move on?
If we grade McK based on a five year plan, I'd argue he's acquitted himself very well so far. Through three years, he's taken us from BY FAR the worst cap situation in the league to the best. And he's found a blue chip defender and a QB with franchize potential in the draft, among a slew of other contributing players, several of which have also shown impact potential. It hasn't translated to wins yet, but his drafts and cap management have been solid.

ETA: his biggest failure was the hiring of Dennis Allen. But most GMs get two coaching hires before being fired. Hopefully this next coach will prove better.

 
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LawFitz said:
Would you get rid of McKenzie already! Not sure how it's possible but that dude has ripped an already bad Raiders organization apart. Why don't they just move on?
If we grade McK based on a five year plan, I'd argue he's acquitted himself very well so far. Through three years, he's taken us from BY FAR the worst cap situation in the league to the best. And he's found a blue chip defender and a QB with franchize potential in the draft, among a slew of other contributing players, several of which have also shown impact potential. It hasn't translated to wins yet, but his drafts and cap management have been solid.

ETA: his biggest failure was the hiring of Dennis Allen. But most GMs get two coaching hires before being fired. Hopefully this next coach will prove better.
That's a fair assessment, Fitz, though I really don't give Reggie all that much credit for drafting Kahlil. Mack just pretty much fell into our laps, as did Carr in the 2nd round.

I still have concerns about Reggie's ability to identify talent based on need. I was okay when he traded down in 2013 assuming that he could still get Star Lotuleiei or Sharif Floyd to address d=line problems. But taking Hayden was a questionable move. Reggie saying that he would have taken Hayden at #3 overall had he not traded down is even more of a concern.

Some of the moves last year to take aging stars (Tuck, Woodley) seemed like desperation moves to me. But having said all that, I will reserve judgement on Reggie for another year. Hopefully we can land either Leonard Williams or Amari Cooper this year.

 
I still have concerns about Reggie's ability to identify talent based on need. I was okay when he traded down in 2013 assuming that he could still get Star Lotuleiei or Sharif Floyd to address d=line problems. But taking Hayden was a questionable move. Reggie saying that he would have taken Hayden at #3 overall had he not traded down is even more of a concern.
Neither of those DTs have been game-changers, at all, and Hayden was as healthy as either one this year. And if we had taken either one at #3, it would have been a major reach, as the draft showed. Neither was a top 5, or even top 10 pick. We didn't pass on Aaron Donald for DJ Hayden, we passed on those two guys. That entire draft was a crapfest, with a skinny RT as the #1 overall pick, and a waste of space in Dion Jordan with our #3 pick. No wonder no one wanted to trade up in the draft.

Everyone was congratulating the Fins for ONLY giving up a 2nd rounder. Haw haw haw, dumb Radiers!! Anyone here trade Hayden for Jordan right now?

 
Heard on Sirius today:

3 of the 8 coaches remaining in the playoffs have been fired before.

5 of the 8 coaches remaining [SIZE=13.63636302948px]in the playoffs [/SIZE]are former defensive coordinators.

 
LawFitz said:
Would you get rid of McKenzie already! Not sure how it's possible but that dude has ripped an already bad Raiders organization apart. Why don't they just move on?
If we grade McK based on a five year plan, I'd argue he's acquitted himself very well so far. Through three years, he's taken us from BY FAR the worst cap situation in the league to the best. And he's found a blue chip defender and a QB with franchize potential in the draft, among a slew of other contributing players, several of which have also shown impact potential. It hasn't translated to wins yet, but his drafts and cap management have been solid.

ETA: his biggest failure was the hiring of Dennis Allen. But most GMs get two coaching hires before being fired. Hopefully this next coach will prove better.
I don't understand giving him credit for this. Any donkey with a scalpel could have done this. All he did was cut anyone with a big number. He didn't bring any significant talent in via FA, so any credit you're giving him would be tantamount to celebrating the fact he didn't f it up? I get the past history, but I'm still not going to pat the guy on the back for doing not horrible at his job.

He's done some good drafting, but the Mack and Carr picks pretty much made themselves. So he's made a solid pick with Jelly, a nice find with Carrie, and .. what?

Allen actually got screwed, and Reggie some blame he maybe shouldn't. I don't care how bad it was, they jumped the gun firing him and didn't get an accurate assessment of who he was as a coach. We'll see how he does with this one (and how much control he really has) before grading this area.

I could go either way with him. Given the perception and past history it's probably more important to give him the extra couple of years just to let the next guy know he'll also get a (somewhat) fair shake. Whacking Reggie now just tells the world Markie learned nothing from his dad's debacle.

 
I don't understand giving him credit for this. Any donkey with a scalpel could have done this. All he did was cut anyone with a big number. He didn't bring any significant talent in via FA, so any credit you're giving him would be tantamount to celebrating the fact he didn't f it up? I get the past history, but I'm still not going to pat the guy on the back for doing not horrible at his job.

He's done some good drafting, but the Mack and Carr picks pretty much made themselves. So he's made a solid pick with Jelly, a nice find with Carrie, and .. what?
Khalil Mack

Derek Carr---people need to stop with this "obvious" pick nonsense, because there were plenty of people that wanted nothing to do with Carr, and everyone else passed on him. He stayed where he was, didn't panic and trade up, and maybe got the best QB in the draft (to be determined). McKenzie gets blame or credit for every pick. This pick is a win, thus far, and if he is our QB for the next ten years, there is no one else to credit aside from McKenzie.

Gabe Jackson

Travis Carrie

DJ Hayden

Menelik Watson

Sio Moore

Latavius Murray

Mychal Rivera

Stacey McGee

Brice Butler

Miles Burris

If that list sucks, then provide a list of teams that got more out of the last two drafts.

 
I don't understand giving him credit for this. Any donkey with a scalpel could have done this. All he did was cut anyone with a big number. He didn't bring any significant talent in via FA, so any credit you're giving him would be tantamount to celebrating the fact he didn't f it up? I get the past history, but I'm still not going to pat the guy on the back for doing not horrible at his job.

He's done some good drafting, but the Mack and Carr picks pretty much made themselves. So he's made a solid pick with Jelly, a nice find with Carrie, and .. what?
Khalil Mack

Derek Carr---people need to stop with this "obvious" pick nonsense, because there were plenty of people that wanted nothing to do with Carr, and everyone else passed on him. He stayed where he was, didn't panic and trade up, and maybe got the best QB in the draft (to be determined). McKenzie gets blame or credit for every pick. This pick is a win, thus far, and if he is our QB for the next ten years, there is no one else to credit aside from McKenzie.

Gabe Jackson

Travis Carrie

DJ Hayden

Menelik Watson

Sio Moore

Latavius Murray

Mychal Rivera

Stacey McGee

Brice Butler

Miles Burris

If that list sucks, then provide a list of teams that got more out of the last two drafts.
You've got to be kidding. This list is not that impressive. Mack, Carr and Moore are the standouts, the others are just bodies. You can match that with half the league guy.

 
I don't understand giving him credit for this. Any donkey with a scalpel could have done this. All he did was cut anyone with a big number. He didn't bring any significant talent in via FA, so any credit you're giving him would be tantamount to celebrating the fact he didn't f it up? I get the past history, but I'm still not going to pat the guy on the back for doing not horrible at his job.

He's done some good drafting, but the Mack and Carr picks pretty much made themselves. So he's made a solid pick with Jelly, a nice find with Carrie, and .. what?
Khalil Mack

Derek Carr---people need to stop with this "obvious" pick nonsense, because there were plenty of people that wanted nothing to do with Carr, and everyone else passed on him. He stayed where he was, didn't panic and trade up, and maybe got the best QB in the draft (to be determined). McKenzie gets blame or credit for every pick. This pick is a win, thus far, and if he is our QB for the next ten years, there is no one else to credit aside from McKenzie.

Gabe Jackson

Travis Carrie

DJ Hayden

Menelik Watson

Sio Moore

Latavius Murray

Mychal Rivera

Stacey McGee

Brice Butler

Miles Burris

If that list sucks, then provide a list of teams that got more out of the last two drafts.
You've got to be kidding. This list is not that impressive. Mack, Carr and Moore are the standouts, the others are just bodies. You can match that with half the league guy.
I couldn't disagree more. Gabe Jackson played very well this season. Travis Carrie was good for return duties and played well at CB. Latavius Murray finally got the Raiders running game going after being historically bad before they gave him the ball. Mychael Rivera was second on the team for receptions, 3rd on the team in yards and tied for second on the team with receiving TD's.

 
I don't understand giving him credit for this. Any donkey with a scalpel could have done this. All he did was cut anyone with a big number. He didn't bring any significant talent in via FA, so any credit you're giving him would be tantamount to celebrating the fact he didn't f it up? I get the past history, but I'm still not going to pat the guy on the back for doing not horrible at his job.

He's done some good drafting, but the Mack and Carr picks pretty much made themselves. So he's made a solid pick with Jelly, a nice find with Carrie, and .. what?
Khalil Mack

Derek Carr---people need to stop with this "obvious" pick nonsense, because there were plenty of people that wanted nothing to do with Carr, and everyone else passed on him. He stayed where he was, didn't panic and trade up, and maybe got the best QB in the draft (to be determined). McKenzie gets blame or credit for every pick. This pick is a win, thus far, and if he is our QB for the next ten years, there is no one else to credit aside from McKenzie.

Gabe Jackson

Travis Carrie

DJ Hayden

Menelik Watson

Sio Moore

Latavius Murray

Mychal Rivera

Stacey McGee

Brice Butler

Miles Burris

If that list sucks, then provide a list of teams that got more out of the last two drafts.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/draft.htm

 
I don't understand giving him credit for this. Any donkey with a scalpel could have done this. All he did was cut anyone with a big number. He didn't bring any significant talent in via FA, so any credit you're giving him would be tantamount to celebrating the fact he didn't f it up? I get the past history, but I'm still not going to pat the guy on the back for doing not horrible at his job.

He's done some good drafting, but the Mack and Carr picks pretty much made themselves. So he's made a solid pick with Jelly, a nice find with Carrie, and .. what?
Khalil MackDerek Carr---people need to stop with this "obvious" pick nonsense, because there were plenty of people that wanted nothing to do with Carr, and everyone else passed on him. He stayed where he was, didn't panic and trade up, and maybe got the best QB in the draft (to be determined). McKenzie gets blame or credit for every pick. This pick is a win, thus far, and if he is our QB for the next ten years, there is no one else to credit aside from McKenzie. Gabe JacksonTravis CarrieDJ HaydenMenelik WatsonSio MooreLatavius MurrayMychal RiveraStacey McGeeBrice ButlerMiles BurrisIf that list sucks, then provide a list of teams that got more out of the last two drafts.
You've got to be kidding. This list is not that impressive. Mack, Carr and Moore are the standouts, the others are just bodies. You can match that with half the league guy.
I couldn't disagree more. Gabe Jackson played very well this season. Travis Carrie was good for return duties and played well at CB. Latavius Murray finally got the Raiders running game going after being historically bad before they gave him the ball. Mychael Rivera was second on the team for receptions, 3rd on the team in yards and tied for second on the team with receiving TD's.
You know what I think is happening here....I think Raider fans are so used to watching #### that anytime somebody in a Raider uniform now even flashes a glimpse of being a productive player, it gets blown way up.

And now I'm feeling foolish bashing another team because of what a mess my Bears are. But at least I know better than to pollute the Bear thread with Ego Ferguson and Will Sutton propaganda.

 
I don't understand giving him credit for this. Any donkey with a scalpel could have done this. All he did was cut anyone with a big number. He didn't bring any significant talent in via FA, so any credit you're giving him would be tantamount to celebrating the fact he didn't f it up? I get the past history, but I'm still not going to pat the guy on the back for doing not horrible at his job.

He's done some good drafting, but the Mack and Carr picks pretty much made themselves. So he's made a solid pick with Jelly, a nice find with Carrie, and .. what?
Khalil MackDerek Carr---people need to stop with this "obvious" pick nonsense, because there were plenty of people that wanted nothing to do with Carr, and everyone else passed on him. He stayed where he was, didn't panic and trade up, and maybe got the best QB in the draft (to be determined). McKenzie gets blame or credit for every pick. This pick is a win, thus far, and if he is our QB for the next ten years, there is no one else to credit aside from McKenzie. Gabe JacksonTravis CarrieDJ HaydenMenelik WatsonSio MooreLatavius MurrayMychal RiveraStacey McGeeBrice ButlerMiles BurrisIf that list sucks, then provide a list of teams that got more out of the last two drafts.
You've got to be kidding. This list is not that impressive. Mack, Carr and Moore are the standouts, the others are just bodies. You can match that with half the league guy.
I couldn't disagree more. Gabe Jackson played very well this season. Travis Carrie was good for return duties and played well at CB. Latavius Murray finally got the Raiders running game going after being historically bad before they gave him the ball. Mychael Rivera was second on the team for receptions, 3rd on the team in yards and tied for second on the team with receiving TD's.
You know what I think is happening here....I think Raider fans are so used to watching #### that anytime somebody in a Raider uniform now even flashes a glimpse of being a productive player, it gets blown way up.

And now I'm feeling foolish bashing another team because of what a mess my Bears are. But at least I know better than to pollute the Bear thread with Ego Ferguson and Will Sutton propaganda.
LOL, that's because Ferguson and Sutton didn't do much, BIG difference.

 
You've got to be kidding. This list is not that impressive. Mack, Carr and Moore are the standouts, the others are just bodies. You can match that with half the league guy.
Should be easy to do then. I'll wait here.
I'm not going to look it up, not that interested, but off the top of my head based on teams I'm familiar with, the Rams, Vikings, Lions and Packers should be pretty excited. Guys like Ogletree, Robinson and imo the DROY Donald. Barr, Rhodes and Bridgewater. Clinton Dix, Lacy, Bakhtari, Adams. Ansah and Warford look like special players.

Those are the top guys, and then I'm sure you can go through and find contributors at a lower level like that list of Raider guys. Plus you have to remember the Raider guys get thrown into bigger roles early on because of the dearth of talent on the roster.

That Reggie....he's got this team right on the cusp...

 
I don't understand giving him credit for this. Any donkey with a scalpel could have done this. All he did was cut anyone with a big number. He didn't bring any significant talent in via FA, so any credit you're giving him would be tantamount to celebrating the fact he didn't f it up? I get the past history, but I'm still not going to pat the guy on the back for doing not horrible at his job.

He's done some good drafting, but the Mack and Carr picks pretty much made themselves. So he's made a solid pick with Jelly, a nice find with Carrie, and .. what?
Khalil Mack

Derek Carr---people need to stop with this "obvious" pick nonsense, because there were plenty of people that wanted nothing to do with Carr, and everyone else passed on him. He stayed where he was, didn't panic and trade up, and maybe got the best QB in the draft (to be determined). McKenzie gets blame or credit for every pick. This pick is a win, thus far, and if he is our QB for the next ten years, there is no one else to credit aside from McKenzie.

Gabe Jackson

Travis Carrie

DJ Hayden

Menelik Watson

Sio Moore

Latavius Murray

Mychal Rivera

Stacey McGee

Brice Butler

Miles Burris

If that list sucks, then provide a list of teams that got more out of the last two drafts.
I didn't say anything about sucking, not sure why you're putting words in my mouth. Carr was a no-brainer pick for a team in the 2nd round with an absolute debacle QB situation. Yes, it was a good pick, but it wasn't exactly thinking outside the box. The list though is actually stronger than I thought, I'd forgotten about Jackson and Moore, but unless Hayden and Watson pan out it's still average at best overall.

 
You've got to be kidding. This list is not that impressive. Mack, Carr and Moore are the standouts, the others are just bodies. You can match that with half the league guy.
Should be easy to do then. I'll wait here.
I'm not going to look it up, not that interested, but off the top of my head based on teams I'm familiar with, the Rams, Vikings, Lions and Packers should be pretty excited. Guys like Ogletree, Robinson and imo the DROY Donald. Barr, Rhodes and Bridgewater. Clinton Dix, Lacy, Bakhtari, Adams. Ansah and Warford look like special players.

Those are the top guys, and then I'm sure you can go through and find contributors at a lower level like that list of Raider guys. Plus you have to remember the Raider guys get thrown into bigger roles early on because of the dearth of talent on the roster.

That Reggie....he's got this team right on the cusp...
If they suffer in comparison to the teams with multiple 1st rounders, well, you got me.

 
I didn't say anything about sucking, not sure why you're putting words in my mouth. Carr was a no-brainer pick for a team in the 2nd round with an absolute debacle QB situation. Yes, it was a good pick, but it wasn't exactly thinking outside the box. The list though is actually stronger than I thought, I'd forgotten about Jackson and Moore, but unless Hayden and Watson pan out it's still average at best overall.
The Ravens get props every year for letting the draft come to them. Mack was a gift for sure, because the Jags went QB, but we easily could have gone Teddy at QB at 5, and gotten a player not as good as Mack in the 2nd round. Reggie should get credit for letting the draft come to him. Thinking outside the box is what we had with Al Davis.

 
Didn't like the Hayden pick at all but at least he got something to drop down. I think its a bit hard to say certain people 'fell in his lap'. You still have to make the pick. Rodgers fell in GB's lap but 25 teams passed on him & GB didn't need him. Wilson fell in Seattle's lap. A LB from University of Buffalo is by no means a no brainer - easy to question his competition. Carr also had many questions. Its not like pulling a stud in 6th, but I also don't want to discredit him because they seemed like easy picks.

Re: bringing in guys like Tuck & Woodson - I respect that. They aren't what they once were, but you have to respect how they played this year & the impact they had on the young guys. Woodson is a HOFer & Tuck calling out Moore & Mack was a leader showing them how to be pros. I'm inclined to see what Reggie can do now with some young talent, full drafts & lots of cap room.

 
This FA class will say alot about what players think of Oakland. We need to come away with 3-5 guys we can plug in as starters.

 
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http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/70133/tony-sparano-interview-could-take-raiders-search-to-next-stage

The Oakland Raiders have now interviewed seven people for their head coaching job.

The latest was Oakland interim coach Tony Sparano. He met with team officials Wednesday.

Sparano is considered one of the favorites for the job. While more interviews could be in store, the Raiders are expected to be close to wrapping up the first round. It could possibly be close to wrapping up the entire process. There have been indications Oakland could make a new hire within the next few days.

One of the reasons why the Raiders want to make a hire soon is so the next coach has sufficient time to assemble his staff. Three years ago, first-rime head coach Dennis Allen had trouble putting together his staff when Oakland hired him in late January.

CSN Bay Area is reporting former Oakland coach John Madden was sitting in on Sparano’s interview. Madden sat in on Mike Shanahan’s interview. This is no surprise. He is a close confidante of Raiders owner Mark Davis and has sat in on interviews before.
If a guy getsw hired soon, have to think Shurmur or Sparano is the guy.

 
If Carr turns out to be great Reggie has to get a lot of credit for that pick. There were a ton of people (myself included) that did not like Carr at all. And Mack may have fallen into his lap, but he has to get credit for doing the right thing and taking him. I don't understand touting Hayden and Watson though. I haven't seen too much from them to get excited about.

 
Supposedly John Clayton on St Looey radio saying the interim could be removed from Sparano's title as early as tomorrow.

But not seeing anywhere else.

 
Welcome to the club. :bye:

On the other hand, at least he is smart enough to know what he doesn't know. What is really strange is he apparently didn't take advantage of learning about teh game from his father and others after all those years. What the hell was he doing during that time? Shopping barbers? :D
He claims to have learnt at least one thing from the old man.I do enjoy his hair cut and along with Reggies fro and the kid we had a few years ago with the high top fade at WR. Some solid hair doos

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2015/01/07/mark-davis-interviewing-mike-shanahan-something-learned-dad-talk-everybody-can-learn-everybody/
 
Love it.

I want either Leonard or Amari Cooper in Silver and Black.
Love it.

I want either Leonard or Amari Cooper in Silver and Black.
I was all about Amari as my pick.... but if you have a guy who has talent and wants to be a Raider that badly..... then I think you need to take him. And because of the fact he is a California product who grew up a Raider fan, I don't think it is just the typical coached draft talk of "I would love to play for (fill in the blank with a team most likely to pick you highest up on the draft board)"

 
Sticking with Sporano wouldn't bug me as much as I thought it might.

It would give us something I've been dying for as a raider fan for a decade: CONTINUITY.

(Well, continuity for one offseason, at least).

Let's make a plan, stick with it for a few seasons instead of changing our mind every year. Oy.

 
The team seemed to play hard for Sparano and, with expection to the Rams and Broncos, they remained competitive. And let's not forget Tony has started a home field winning streak! Wouldn't be the most exciting hire, but if he brings in someone dynamic to be the OC I would be hopeful.

 
Fully expect JDR to be announced as Raiders next head coach in next day or two.
Why?
Understand I'm not advocating for him, but he's a local guy, went to Hayward High, grew up a Raiders fan. Strong ties to Oakland. Brought competitive football to Jacksonville except at the end of his tenure there. It's between him and Tony S, and I'd call him an upgrade, although certainly not the rock star coach we were promised at one time.

:shrug:

 
Fully expect JDR to be announced as Raiders next head coach in next day or two.
Why?
Understand I'm not advocating for him, but he's a local guy, went to Hayward High, grew up a Raiders fan. Strong ties to Oakland. Brought competitive football to Jacksonville except at the end of his tenure there. It's between him and Tony S, and I'd call him an upgrade, although certainly not the rock star coach we were promised at one time.

:shrug:
I'm not mad at Del Rio either. "Not Mangini" is the coach I was hoping for, so this qualifies. I think he'll probably be able to assemble a legit staff as well.

hmmm, wonder if he helps Terrance Knighton sign here.........

 
Fully expect JDR to be announced as Raiders next head coach in next day or two.
Why?
Understand I'm not advocating for him, but he's a local guy, went to Hayward High, grew up a Raiders fan. Strong ties to Oakland. Brought competitive football to Jacksonville except at the end of his tenure there. It's between him and Tony S, and I'd call him an upgrade, although certainly not the rock star coach we were promised at one time.

:shrug:
It is?

 
Fully expect JDR to be announced as Raiders next head coach in next day or two.
Why?
Understand I'm not advocating for him, but he's a local guy, went to Hayward High, grew up a Raiders fan. Strong ties to Oakland. Brought competitive football to Jacksonville except at the end of his tenure there. It's between him and Tony S, and I'd call him an upgrade, although certainly not the rock star coach we were promised at one time.

:shrug:
It is?
It's been all over twitter that it's down to JDR and Tony for the HC position.

 
Fully expect JDR to be announced as Raiders next head coach in next day or two.
Why?
Understand I'm not advocating for him, but he's a local guy, went to Hayward High, grew up a Raiders fan. Strong ties to Oakland. Brought competitive football to Jacksonville except at the end of his tenure there. It's between him and Tony S, and I'd call him an upgrade, although certainly not the rock star coach we were promised at one time.

:shrug:
It is?
It's been all over twitter that it's down to JDR and Tony for the HC position.
It has been, and I dunno if any Twitterheads saying it claim to have any inside info.

 
those 2 would seriously bring hope and legitimacy to the franchise. would saunders and or sparano stay in that case? i think not. and i'm not sure saunders does anything

 
JDR is just a guy. He MIGHT get you a couple/few more wins. But as a Jags fan, his teams were always just 'meh'. I wouldn't get too excited if I were a Raider fan.

 

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