2015 ACC Basketball - CLOSED (use 2016 thread now) (1 Viewer)

[Tango]

yeah, this Cuse thing is pretty damn transparent.

Speaking of transparent, let's check in with the ACC's commissioner who will provide a credible, untainted voice of reason when it comes to NCAA violations:

"We are fully supportive of Syracuse and its decision to self-impose sanctions by removing themselves from any men's basketball postseason opportunities,'' ACC Commissioner John Swofford said.

 

[Archer]

meanwhile the worst cheating program in the history of NCAA and ACC basketball has yet to do any kind self-imposed sanctions or removal of banners despite cheating their asses off over the last 2 decades. Unbelievable.

 

[oso diablo]

Dumb questions:

What are those two spots on the half court line at Duke? Each spot is about 3-4 feet from the sideline...directly on the half line.

And what are the two short white lines on either end of the court...one near the "D" and one near the "E"? Are those for inbounding?

Just trying to make my cornhole boards as true as possible and just wondered what their functions were...

without seeing a photo, i would guess that the two half-court-line spots are where the volleyball net poles go into the court. and i'm not aware of any basketball related reason for the little white lines on the baseline, so maybe those are for another sport, as well.

 

[oso diablo]

for this thread, K breaking the ACC wins mark is perhaps more noteworthy than the 1K stuff.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Dumb questions:

What are those two spots on the half court line at Duke? Each spot is about 3-4 feet from the sideline...directly on the half line.

And what are the two short white lines on either end of the court...one near the "D" and one near the "E"? Are those for inbounding?

Just trying to make my cornhole boards as true as possible and just wondered what their functions were...

without seeing a photo, i would guess that the two half-court-line spots are where the volleyball net poles go into the court. and i'm not aware of any basketball related reason for the little white lines on the baseline, so maybe those are for another sport, as well.

Good call

 

[Sinn Fein]

Back to the ACC though -just looking at the various bracketology types - I think there is a big drop-off from the 3 seeds to the 4 seeds - meaning getting a #1 is pretty important. I'd say UVA is close to a lock for a 1, barring injury. Duke has some work to do to grab a #1 seed - think they may need to win the ACC tourney. Teams like Wisconsin, Arizona, Gonzaga, Kansas and even a Villanova are all pushing for a #1 seed. If those teams win their respective conferences - I'd put them ahead of Duke right now.

Duke has work to do? Beg to disagree. Unless they have a monumental collapse, Duke will get a #1 seed as well they should. No one else in the country has 3 signature road wins against 3 top 10 teams. The have a chance to beat 4 top 10 teams assuming ND doesn't lose again and Duke beats them in Cameron. Or I guess 6 wins if the polls continue to move that cheating scandal program up in the rankings every time they lose.

We'll see. Duke's fate as a #1 depends more on the success of other teams than it rests with Duke.

 

[Sammy3469]

Dumb questions:

What are those two spots on the half court line at Duke? Each spot is about 3-4 feet from the sideline...directly on the half line.

And what are the two short white lines on either end of the court...one near the "D" and one near the "E"? Are those for inbounding?

Just trying to make my cornhole boards as true as possible and just wondered what their functions were...

without seeing a photo, i would guess that the two half-court-line spots are where the volleyball net poles go into the court. and i'm not aware of any basketball related reason for the little white lines on the baseline, so maybe those are for another sport, as well.

Good call

If memory serves, I believe the ones on the baseline are the boundary for those sitting on the floor on the baseline for fire safety reasons.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

Dumb questions:

What are those two spots on the half court line at Duke? Each spot is about 3-4 feet from the sideline...directly on the half line.

And what are the two short white lines on either end of the court...one near the "D" and one near the "E"? Are those for inbounding?

Just trying to make my cornhole boards as true as possible and just wondered what their functions were...

without seeing a photo, i would guess that the two half-court-line spots are where the volleyball net poles go into the court. and i'm not aware of any basketball related reason for the little white lines on the baseline, so maybe those are for another sport, as well.

Good call

If memory serves, I believe the ones on the baseline are the boundary for those sitting on the floor on the baseline for fire safety reasons.

looks like FT lines (or top of the key) for the side goals IMO

 

[tdoss]

Dumb questions:

What are those two spots on the half court line at Duke? Each spot is about 3-4 feet from the sideline...directly on the half line.

And what are the two short white lines on either end of the court...one near the "D" and one near the "E"? Are those for inbounding?

Just trying to make my cornhole boards as true as possible and just wondered what their functions were...

without seeing a photo, i would guess that the two half-court-line spots are where the volleyball net poles go into the court. and i'm not aware of any basketball related reason for the little white lines on the baseline, so maybe those are for another sport, as well.

Good call

Great call on the volleyball spots. They didn't look right to me...I'll leave those off the board. Really don't know about the lines at the DUKE lettering...they were handing the ball out of bounds at those spots...just not sure if that's what they're for though...

 

[tdoss]

Dumb questions:

What are those two spots on the half court line at Duke? Each spot is about 3-4 feet from the sideline...directly on the half line.

And what are the two short white lines on either end of the court...one near the "D" and one near the "E"? Are those for inbounding?

Just trying to make my cornhole boards as true as possible and just wondered what their functions were...

without seeing a photo, i would guess that the two half-court-line spots are where the volleyball net poles go into the court. and i'm not aware of any basketball related reason for the little white lines on the baseline, so maybe those are for another sport, as well.

Good call

If memory serves, I believe the ones on the baseline are the boundary for those sitting on the floor on the baseline for fire safety reasons.

looks like FT lines (or top of the key) for the side goals IMO

Oh wow...you might be right. I'll leave those off too.

 

[Sammy3469]

Dumb questions:

What are those two spots on the half court line at Duke? Each spot is about 3-4 feet from the sideline...directly on the half line.

And what are the two short white lines on either end of the court...one near the "D" and one near the "E"? Are those for inbounding?

Just trying to make my cornhole boards as true as possible and just wondered what their functions were...

without seeing a photo, i would guess that the two half-court-line spots are where the volleyball net poles go into the court. and i'm not aware of any basketball related reason for the little white lines on the baseline, so maybe those are for another sport, as well.

Good call

If memory serves, I believe the ones on the baseline are the boundary for those sitting on the floor on the baseline for fire safety reasons.

looks like FT lines (or top of the key) for the side goals IMO

Oh wow...you might be right. I'll leave those off too.

I think he's right since the one's one the far right side of the picture are off the baseline...yet again proving I'm an idiot.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

Is the floor at Cameron really that marked up all the time? I guess I never really paid attention, but that is a hot mess. Is a half court stripe on the side courts really necessary???

 

[tdoss]

That picture shows what it looks like with volleyball. There's minimal extra striping. I just had a question about the two dark spots and two lines near the name at each end.

 

[tdoss]

Just got en email...my tickets for Charlotte Rounds 2 & 3 have been printed.

WOOHOO!

 

[oso diablo]

wow, Mike DeCourcy really hammers Syracuse here. Not sure it's an entirely fair take, but certainly a #hso

 

[Prince Myshkin]

That picture shows what it looks like with volleyball. There's miming extra striping. I just had a question about the two dark spots and two lines near the name at each end.

ah...ok. I thought surely I would have noticed all that crap on the floor during games.

 

[tdoss]

wow, Mike DeCourcy really hammers Syracuse here. Not sure it's an entirely fair take, but certainly a #hso

Yikes...but not unmerited. I didn't even consider how this affects the players who have fought all season with the hope of post season glory.

 

[Tango]

wow, Mike DeCourcy really hammers Syracuse here. Not sure it's an entirely fair take, but certainly a #hso

Yikes...but not unmerited. I didn't even consider how this affects the players who have fought all season with the hope of post season glory.

I thought the article was a bit much. Christmas got his shot in big spots over the years.

If you want to accuse SU of anything, it's the opportunism of taking advantage of a down year. With 2 red shirt injuries this team just didn't have enough to do much of anything. Sure, the top 3 guys could are capable of lighting it up for the next mth and getting some big wins.

But tippy top this year was S16 (very long shot), worst case was a first round NIT exit.

On the bright side, we won't have to hear Syracuse people like me complain about having to go to Greensboro.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

UVA beats Louisville to get to 21-1 but they lose Justin Anderson for 6 weeks with a broken hand.

 

[Grady Wilson]

The day I've dreaded for a long time has finally arrived. The great Dean Smith passed away. A great coach and great man.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

RIP, Coach Smith. It's sad, but it's also a good thing. That ####### illness is a terrible thing for everyone involved.

 

[Grady Wilson]

RIP, Coach Smith. It's sad, but it's also a good thing. That ####### illness is a terrible thing for everyone involved.

Yep... My mom has it as well and it really does suck. It's the most depressing thing to see when a loved one goes through this disease.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

RIP, Coach Smith. It's sad, but it's also a good thing. That ####### illness is a terrible thing for everyone involved.

Yep... My mom has it as well and it really does suck. It's the most depressing thing to see when a loved one goes through this disease.

This isn't the place for this, but if you ever want to talk to someone who's been through it (my dad passed last summer from it), drop me a line.

 

[Grady Wilson]

RIP, Coach Smith. It's sad, but it's also a good thing. That ####### illness is a terrible thing for everyone involved.

Yep... My mom has it as well and it really does suck. It's the most depressing thing to see when a loved one goes through this disease.

This isn't the place for this, but if you ever want to talk to someone who's been through it (my dad passed last summer from it), drop me a line.

I appreciate it very much. You know what it's like to see a loved one go through and it's just depressing. I appreciate you reaching out.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

The Four Corners was a scourge on all that is just and right in the world, but my God - when Phil Ford ran it, it was a thing of beauty. Except one time.....

Few seem to remember but, up until Smith won in '82, he was considered somewhat of a failure. He'd been to eleventy-billion Final Fours, but didn't bring it home. His biggest failure was going four corners against Marquette in the '77 title game. UNC had all of the momentum until he took the air out of the ball.

Also, people get on Coach K all the time for teaching flops. Dean did it long before K did, especially on in-bounds plays.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

RIP Dean.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Dean got hung in effigy in Carolina in the 60s - "he ain't Frank McGuire!". And again when he landed Charlie Scott and Robert McAdoo (don't need to say why THAT was). Like Bear Bryant, he was ahead of the curve on integration bit had to fight the system.

 

[randall146]

RIP Coach

 

[pantherclub]

The Four Corners was a scourge on all that is just and right in the world, but my God - when Phil Ford ran it, it was a thing of beauty. Except one time.....

Few seem to remember but, up until Smith won in '82, he was considered somewhat of a failure. He'd been to eleventy-billion Final Fours, but didn't bring it home. His biggest failure was going four corners against Marquette in the '77 title game. UNC had all of the momentum until he took the air out of the ball.

Also, people get on Coach K all the time for teaching flops. Dean did it long before K did, especially on in-bounds plays.

Its an embarrassment his 95 and 97 teams didnt win it all. Especially 95, outside of the Lattnear, Hurley, Hill teams the 95 one was one of the best I have seen

 

[tdoss]

Sorry for your loss guys.

 

[Archer]

RIP, Coach Smith. It's sad, but it's also a good thing. That ####### illness is a terrible thing for everyone involved.

Yep this disease is every bit as bad as cancer when you lose your ability to remember your love ones, precious memories, etc. RIP Dean

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

The Four Corners was a scourge on all that is just and right in the world, but my God - when Phil Ford ran it, it was a thing of beauty. Except one time.....

Few seem to remember but, up until Smith won in '82, he was considered somewhat of a failure. He'd been to eleventy-billion Final Fours, but didn't bring it home. His biggest failure was going four corners against Marquette in the '77 title game. UNC had all of the momentum until he took the air out of the ball.

Also, people get on Coach K all the time for teaching flops. Dean did it long before K did, especially on in-bounds plays.

If there's good from UNC's excellence in executing the Four Corners, it accelerated the arrival of the shot-clock era of college basketball. For that, I'm thankful.

Al Maguire talks about the Four Corners as a turning point in the 77 final. He told his team if UNC went to the Four Corners, it meant they were scared of us and didn't want to play real basketball against us. And when they called it during the game, it killed UNC's momentum: of as Maguire described, "It dried their sweat".

The Four Corners died with the shot clock, but a lot of his other halfcourt offense ideas live on. The influence of Dean's "Triangle" offense is still seen today. Larry Brown won the 2004 NBA title running a modified version of it to fit the 24-second shot clock, and his SMU teams run some of it, too.

(Note this is not the Tex Winter stuff Phil Jackson ran. Plays start with the PG out top, SG and SF in the corners, PF and C at the elbows, forming a big triangle. Lots of space for driving lanes, easy to pick up a screen or open man, easy to jump into after an aborted fast break.)

When the opponent full court pressed after a made basket, Dean would sometimes have the inbounder run the baseline past a screen, trying to blindside the defender guarding the inbounder and pick up a cheap foul.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

The Four Corners was a scourge on all that is just and right in the world, but my God - when Phil Ford ran it, it was a thing of beauty. Except one time.....

Few seem to remember but, up until Smith won in '82, he was considered somewhat of a failure. He'd been to eleventy-billion Final Fours, but didn't bring it home. His biggest failure was going four corners against Marquette in the '77 title game. UNC had all of the momentum until he took the air out of the ball.

Also, people get on Coach K all the time for teaching flops. Dean did it long before K did, especially on in-bounds plays.

If there's good from UNC's excellence in executing the Four Corners, it accelerated the arrival of the shot-clock era of college basketball. For that, I'm thankful.

Al Maguire talks about the Four Corners as a turning point in the 77 final. He told his team if UNC went to the Four Corners, it meant they were scared of us and didn't want to play real basketball against us. And when they called it during the game, it killed UNC's momentum: of as Maguire described, "It dried their sweat".

The Four Corners died with the shot clock, but a lot of his other halfcourt offense ideas live on. The influence of Dean's "Triangle" offense is still seen today. Larry Brown won the 2004 NBA title running a modified version of it to fit the 24-second shot clock, and his SMU teams run some of it, too.

(Note this is not the Tex Winter stuff Phil Jackson ran. Plays start with the PG out top, SG and SF in the corners, PF and C at the elbows, forming a big triangle. Lots of space for driving lanes, easy to pick up a screen or open man, easy to jump into after an aborted fast break.)

When the opponent full court pressed after a made basket, Dean would sometimes have the inbounder run the baseline past a screen, trying to blindside the defender guarding the inbounder and pick up a cheap foul.

That was what I meant when I said he coached flopping before Coach K did. Maryland fell for that garbage all the time.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

The Four Corners was a scourge on all that is just and right in the world, but my God - when Phil Ford ran it, it was a thing of beauty. Except one time.....

Few seem to remember but, up until Smith won in '82, he was considered somewhat of a failure. He'd been to eleventy-billion Final Fours, but didn't bring it home. His biggest failure was going four corners against Marquette in the '77 title game. UNC had all of the momentum until he took the air out of the ball.

Also, people get on Coach K all the time for teaching flops. Dean did it long before K did, especially on in-bounds plays.

Its an embarrassment his 95 and 97 teams didnt win it all. Especially 95, outside of the Lattnear, Hurley, Hill teams the 95 one was one of the best I have seen

The '77 team was his best, IMO. Phil Ford, Walter Davis, that rat ******* O'Koren (he'd have played at Duke a generation later).

 

[simey]

RIP Coach Smith

 

[NMYMND]

Just because I feel like we're far enough along to start watching this:

BracketMatrix.com

Average NCAA Seed Projection



Double Bye to Thursday

Virginia 9-1 21-1 1.02

Notre Dame 9-3 21-4 3.73

North Carolina 8-3 18-6 3.34

Duke 7-3 20-3 1.45

Bye to Wednesday

Louisville 7-3 19-4 3.06

Clemson 6-5 14-9

Pittsburgh 5-5 16-8

Miami (FL) 5-5 15-8 10.86

NC State 5-6 14-10 11.27

Florida St 5-6 13-11

Play Tuesday

Wake Forest 3-8 11-13

Georgia Tech 2-9 11-12

Boston College 1-9 9-13

Virginia Tech 1-9 9-14

 

[NMYMND]

The Four Corners was a scourge on all that is just and right in the world, but my God - when Phil Ford ran it, it was a thing of beauty. Except one time.....

Few seem to remember but, up until Smith won in '82, he was considered somewhat of a failure. He'd been to eleventy-billion Final Fours, but didn't bring it home. His biggest failure was going four corners against Marquette in the '77 title game. UNC had all of the momentum until he took the air out of the ball.

Also, people get on Coach K all the time for teaching flops. Dean did it long before K did, especially on in-bounds plays.

Its an embarrassment his 95 and 97 teams didnt win it all. Especially 95, outside of the Lattnear, Hurley, Hill teams the 95 one was one of the best I have seen

Interesting perspective. The 95 team was the 3 seed in the ACC tourney, lost the final to the Duncan/Childress Deacs; was the 2 seed in Kentucky's region, and it was considered a pretty big upset when the beak UK in the regional final. Then they lost to defending champ Arkansas in the semis.

The 97 team started the ACC 0-3, rallied for the 3 seed in the ACC and won the tournament before falling to the Arizona team in the national semis that got Lute Olsen his only title.

I admit to being bummed when both lost, but neither hurt as much as some of the others - 84, 87, 94. Besides Dean and K and whoever is coaching Kentucky any given year, what other coaches who have won titles get the most grief for years they didn't win?

 

[oso diablo]

utmost respect for Dean Smith. On my CBB coachng Mt Rushmore

 

[Uruk-Hai]

utmost respect for Dean Smith. On my CBB coachng Mt Rushmore

I think he's got to be, but damned if I know who NOT to put on there. I can't rate guys like Phog Allen, Frank McGruire, Iba, Rupp - they were doing most of their work pre-integration and had the large majority of their success before my time.

I guess I'd go: Dean, K, Knight, Wooden.

That leaves out mad scientists like Larry Brown, excellent-forever guys like Boeheim & Calhoun & Pitino & John Thompson & Lute, and more recent coaches who have killer resumes in a changed NCAA and maybe one day should be in the conversation like Calipari.

 

[Archer]

so Duke SHOULD win this game tonight...but they have struggled at FSU for years. I am hoping for a 10+ point win, but afraid of the let down after that amazing performance against ND.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

A few photos of Dean Smith making the rounds in KU circles I thought the UNC fans and ACC historians might like:

Publicity photo of Jayhawk basketball player Dean Smith

Dean and his +1 at a KU frat party, circa 1952

Reunion of 1952 NCAA champions, backup guard Dean Smith in attendance

 

[Yenrub]

State with another close loss last night

 

[meanjoegreen]

State with another close loss last night

There have been so many close losses by State this season. They are a young team, but coming so close to beating some good teams again and again makes me want to pull my hair out.

 

[Yenrub]

Hey a pleasant surprise State didn't blow a lead in a close game

 

[Worm]

Too little too late?

Not sure what other teams can claim two wins against top 10 teams though. One on the road nevertheless.

 

[Archer]

That Okafor kid is pretty good.

 

[Tau837]

Too little too late?

Not sure what other teams can claim two wins against top 10 teams though. One on the road nevertheless.

Definitely not too late. The bubble is pretty weak this year, which improves State's odds.

I doubt any other bubble team can claim this resume (data from RealtimeRPI as of midday yesterday):

- 2 top 10 RPI wins, including one on the road

- #5 SOS

- 4 top 50 RPI wins, 7 top 100 RPI wins (by end of season, hopefully 10+ top 100 RPI wins)

- Worst loss to #139 Wake on the road

State's remaining regular season schedule: VT, @UNC, @BC, @Clemson, Syracuse.

If they win 3 or more of those games, including @UNC, they are in, as that would be 18+ wins, including 3 top 15 RPI wins, with 2 of those on the road. If they lose at UNC but win the other 4 games, they are in, as that would be 19 wins and no bad losses against a very tough schedule. Otherwise, it depends on the details.

State needs to treat all remaining games as must win games, but that isn't really true of the UNC game. Winning that would virtually clinch a bid, but that isn't required. Virginia Tech is particularly crucial, since that game is at home and a loss would be State's worst loss of the season by far.

If they beat Virginia Tech and Syracuse, lose to UNC, and win 1 of the other 2 games, I think they will be in, but that will make it very close.

 

[houston]

Who did you beat, how did you do away from home, and did you play a decent nonconf schedule. Seems that's all that matters to committee lately.

 

[Tau837]

Current Dance Card chance at a bid:

3 Duke 100%

4 Virginia 100%

12 Louisville 100%

14 UNC 100%

17 ND 100%

40 N.C. State 99.32%

43 Miami 80.86%

45 Clemson 60.69%

47 Pitt 32.25%

...with Pitt as last in.

Dance Card claims it has predicted 108 of 110 at large bids in the previous 3 seasons.

 

[NMYMND]

Think everyone should know that the ACC is letting Notre Dame down. The Irish may have set themselves back a bit with a non-conference schedule that ranks 350 out of 351 per kenpom, but according to at least one person, conference play was supposed to make up for that, and some of you bad teams are going to be the reason that Notre Dame doesn't get the tourney seed it really deserved.