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2015 NBA Thread: I felt a great disturbance in the trolls, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. (3 Viewers)

Abraham said:
So the Warriors have Lebron, Klay, Barnes, Bogut, and Iggy with Livingston, Ezeli, Speights and Barbosa off the bench.  

We sure that's not the favorite?
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Is Lebron playing PG for this team? Set a pick for him, my guys just go under it and dare him to shoot. Meanwhile, on the other side, whomever Bogut's covering is getting put in the PNR against Curry. Gll with that. Ezeli's a good pick and roll defender, but you don't want him stuck on Curry. Meaning you have to blitz and have Green playing 4-on-3, or you have your PG (Lebron, right?) chase Curry over picks.

BTW, Barbosa's not very good anymore, and Speights is pure uncut dog####. Assuming I start Shumpert at the 3, Irving, Delly, Thompson, and Frye is a far superior bench unit imo.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Is Lebron playing PG for this team? Set a pick for him, my guys just go under it and dare him to shoot. Meanwhile, on the other side, whomever Bogut's covering is getting put in the PNR against Curry. Gll with that. Ezeli's a good pick and roll defender, but you don't want him stuck on Curry. Meaning you have to blitz and have Green playing 4-on-3, or you have your PG (Lebron, right?) chase Curry over picks.

BTW, Barbosa's not very good anymore, and Speights is pure uncut dog####. Assuming I start Shumpert at the 3, Irving, Delly, Thompson, and Frye is a far superior bench unit imo.
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Who guards Klay for you? And Barnes? Definitely some defensive issues for the new warriors...

klay on curry 

Iggy on green

bogut on Thompson 

barnes on shumpert

james on love and swarming 

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(this is a fun hypothetical in the wake of the hot takes.  Thanks for participating)

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Check the Comments section of any article discussing ESPN's NBARank Small Forwards list from earlier this season.  No shortage of people upset that LeBron was ranked ahead of Larry Bird, some of the reasoning was more compelling than others. 
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None in this thread though?

I'm not surprised that there's idiots in this world.

 
tjnc09 said:
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/724963-timschochets-thread-ranking-hemorrhoids/?do=findComment&comment=18178715

:popcorn:   Of course not but if they catch an injury there are several teams in the West that can beat them. And let's face it, they'd have been lucky to take a game off of a fully healthy Cavs team. :popcorn:  
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https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/724963-timschochets-thread-ranking-hemorrhoids/?do=findComment&comment=18112980

:popcorn:  

Every game this series, I just think how much better Irving is than any other guard the Cavs have. I think the Warriors really dodged a bullet. If Irving was healthy, the Cav's would add a few points per game, and few less turnovers, and a few more minutes of rest for James each game. I honestly think it'd be Cavs in 6, maybe easily.

I hope the Warriors win it this year, and Cleveland comes back healthy next year and takes it. :popcorn:  

 
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I think the common question for everything we've discussed regarding the Cavs is:

Are the Cavs playing up to the potential of the roster?

If you think they are: LBJ isn't the problem, Lue is doing ok/has no impact, etc.

If you don't: LBJ sucks, Lue is overmatched/Blatt was better, etc.

 
"If."

A Pippen-led Blazers had the 99-00 Lakers.  Pippen 34 at the time.  

MJ>>>>>>>>>>>Lebron>>>>>Pippen.

 
No. 16 said:
I think the common question for everything we've discussed regarding the Cavs is:

Are the Cavs playing up to the potential of the roster?

If you think they are: LBJ isn't the problem, Lue is doing ok/has no impact, etc.

If you don't: LBJ sucks, Lue is overmatched/Blatt was better, etc.
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Their roster is very good, but I'm not sure if Irving and Love are optimal fits for playing with James. The Warriors have done a stellar job on LeBron, this series, this past regular season, and most of the last Finals, but he's literally the least of Cleveland's problems. I think James needs a PG that plays defense, can knock down 3's, and doesn't need to dominate the ball, which is the exact opposite of what Irving is.

There's no chance ATL would consider trading their PF and PG for Cleveland's, right? ATL's guys only have one year left each, whereas CLE have theirs locked up.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Their roster is very good, but I'm not sure if Irving and Love are optimal fits for playing with James. The Warriors have done a stellar job on LeBron, this series, this past regular season, and most of the last Finals, but he's literally the least of Cleveland's problems. I think James needs a PG that plays defense, can knock down 3's, and doesn't need to dominate the ball, which is the exact opposite of what Irving is.

There's no chance ATL would consider trading their PF and PG for Cleveland's, right? ATL's guys only have one year left each, whereas CLE have theirs locked up.
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Wasn't asking about fit though.

 
Love for Crowder and picks. Kyrie for Bledsoe and filler.  They're a better team right now if you swap them out straight up.  Celtics are desperate to spend those picks. 

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Their roster is very good, but I'm not sure if Irving and Love are optimal fits for playing with James. The Warriors have done a stellar job on LeBron, this series, this past regular season, and most of the last Finals, but he's literally the least of Cleveland's problems. I think James needs a PG that plays defense, can knock down 3's, and doesn't need to dominate the ball, which is the exact opposite of what Irving is.

There's no chance ATL would consider trading their PF and PG for Cleveland's, right? ATL's guys only have one year left each, whereas CLE have theirs locked up.
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There are 3 All-Stars on the court, as well as a coach that was put there by Lebron. This team was made by Lebron and is being run by him.

There comes a time when you have to point fingers. 

 
The Venn diagram of "people who haven't really posted here all year before the Finals" and "people saying dumb things about LeBron James and his legacy" is just a circle.

What does that tell you?

 
fantasycurse42 said:
There are 3 All-Stars on the court, as well as a coach that was put there by Lebron. This team was made by Lebron and is being run by him.

There comes a time when you have to point fingers. 
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This is the result when a player picks who he wants to coach and who to target for the roster. They were just talking aboput this last night that James tried to do the same thing in Miami but Riley would disregard his suggestions. That was part of the reason James wanted out of Miami as he felt he had no say in the roster.  

 
TobiasFunke said:
The Venn diagram of "people who haven't really posted here all year before the Finals" and "people saying dumb things about LeBron James and his legacy" is just a circle.

What does that tell you?
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That a lot of you hacks with like opinions like to hang out in here all year?

And laugh at "Let's get those fire hats boys, we've got a 4 alarm fire here..." for the 1,261st time?

At least come up with some new schtick every 18 to 24 months. :shrug:

 
Joe T said:
That a lot of you hacks with like opinions like to hang out in here all year?

And laugh at "Let's get those fire hats boys, we've got a 4 alarm fire here..." for the 1,261st time?

At least come up with some new schtick every 18 to 24 months. :shrug:
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That's rich. You've been running the same anti-Lebron shtick for 5 years now. 

There's no other response to "Lebron just isn't that good" then to post ?????. Anything else would be dignifying that dumb #### with a legit response. 

 
Announce:

If you don't post here year round, then your opinion doesn't count or you have a 12 alarm smoking sizzling oven baking hot take or you're a closet racist or all of the above.   :lmao:

 
riding through this world all alone god takes your soul and your on your own the crow flies straight a perfect line in a devil bed until you die brohan sons of anarchy for life or what yeah you know what im talkin about joet take that to the samcrow clubhouse bank bromigo 

 
Pardon me as I've skimmed through a lot of the hot taekery, but I haven't seen anyone mention that the Warriors are just a bad matchup for the Cavs.  The Cavs offense is simple, but effective against every team...but one.  Drive, if the defense collapses kick to the open man, make an extra pass if needed, bury the 3.  If the defense doesn't collapse then take it to the rim.  Look for opportunities in transition.  Once in rhythm it's highly entertaining basketball.  If they don't get into rhythm?  It's painful.  The role players aren't able to get in the flow of the game then LeBron and Kyrie default to their comfort zone, hero ball.  Against the Warriors, the spacing and transition opportunities this offense needs simply aren't there.  This is why Lue keeps preaching that the team needs to play faster, to create these opportunities.  A depleted and hobbled Cavs roster had things in doubt against this team last year until they went to small ball.  The Cavs have had no answer against this team since then.  What the Cavs do well does not work against this unit that just runs around and creates havoc on both sides of the floor.  Thompson is liability enough on offense, but he can at least move up and down the floor.  The Mozgov talk imho is crazy.  The last thing this team needs to do is slow this thing down anymore.  Can they keep it closer doing that?  Probably, see last year.  Will they win?  No, also see last year.  If they have any shot then they need to speed things up, but they need everyone to buy in for it to work and out in California they did not.

 
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Joe T said:
No.  Wrong as usual.

"Grab those fire boot guys.... "  :buttslap:
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It's not that you don't post here all year. Frankly, I'm sure all of us are pleased you don't. It's just that your opinion is really, really, really, really stupid. 

 
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SWC said:
riding through this world all alone god takes your soul and your on your own the crow flies straight a perfect line in a devil bed until you die brohan sons of anarchy for life or what yeah you know what im talkin about joet take that to the samcrow clubhouse bank bromigo 
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:thumbup:

Better than another easy bake oven fire engine sam take brohan.   :lmao:">

 
Joe T said:
Announce:

If you don't post here year round, then your opinion doesn't count or you have a 12 alarm smoking sizzling oven baking hot take or you're a closet racist or all of the above.   :lmao:
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It's not really an if/then situation.  It's more of an observation. The people who don't post here a lot are the ones saying really stupid things. Correlation, not causation. It's certainly possible that a newcomer would have a reasonable, logical insightful take on James.  It just hasn't happened yet :shrug:

 
Capella said:
It's not that you don't post here all year. Frankly, I'm sure all of us are pleased you don't. It's just that your opinion is really, really, really, really stupid. 
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Trust me, I get it.  You guys all agree on everything or start calling people racist and stupid.  It's like you are a 9 year old.  Take that to the hot take bank and suck it.  :lol:

 
Joe T said:
Trust me, I get it.  You guys all agree on everything or start calling people racist and stupid.  It's like you are a 9 year old.  Take that to the hot take bank and suck it.  :lol:
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I don't think you are racist at all. I just don't think you know anything about the NBA. 

 
Joe T said:
Capella said:
It's not that you don't post here all year. Frankly, I'm sure all of us are pleased you don't. It's just that your opinion is really, really, really, really stupid. 
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Trust me, I get it.  You guys all agree on everything or start calling people racist and stupid.  It's like you are a 9 year old.  Take that to the hot take bank and suck it.  :lol:
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thats not what we do at our bank brohan but hey man live and let live and if that is how it rolls at the first national bank of joet town then good on ya me matey take that to my bank where there is no sucking 

 
Joe T said:
Trust me, I get it.  You guys all agree on everything or start calling people racist and stupid.  It's like you are a 9 year old.  Take that to the hot take bank and suck it.  :lol:
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No, we actually have disagreements on almost everything. 

We only agree on really obvious things, like "Gregg Popovich is a good coach" or "the Warriors are better than the 76ers" or "LeBron James is one of the greatest basketball players in history" or "counting titles is a moronic way to evaluate individual players."

 
TobiasFunke said:
No, we actually have disagreements on almost everything. 

We only agree on really obvious things, like "Gregg Popovich is a good coach" or "the Warriors are better than the 76ers" or "LeBron James is one of the greatest basketball players in history" or "counting titles is a moronic way to evaluate individual players."
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Cool.  :thumbup:

 
what's ironic about this whole thing is if Joe T the poster were to draw a comparison to an NBA player, it would probably be Lebron.  elite production in the early years, but couldn't bring one home until he latched onto a couple other elite posters.  now riding solo, past his prime, and looking like it will never happen for him again.  sad!

 
Good Posting Judge said:
You're still in "RINGZ DOOD" mode. A team's best player is important, but players 2-8 in total are more important than player 1.
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No.. I understand the team aspect.  But it is not a coincidence that all those guys at the top of every all time great list have a handful of rings.

If Bird had 5 and Magic had 3 I would bet they switch places on that list.  If Olajuwon had 4 instead of 2... in contention with Shaq.  Instead Bird drops a few spots, Olajuwon fights to be top 10.  Same for Oscar, Malone, etc.  I am guessing Lebron settles around 7, with the Finals record holding him back from the top 5.  Rings do count when you are talking about the best to ever play.

Ie - there is no debate Lebron is an All Time great, there is also no debate those other All Time greats have more (a lot more) Rings to show for it.

If putting James top 7 ever is hating.. :shrug:

 
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Bruce Dickinson said:
I've been messing around with the Trade Machine trying to give you a better answer to your question about what CLE should do this summer... and I've concluded Kevin Love will be very hard to trade.  The combination of XXL price, XL length, and L value is just deadly.  I'd declare Love the least-tradeable contract in the league, but I think that honor actually goes to Tristan Thompson.

Getting out from under Love's contract seems to be the prudent thing to do.  As polarizing as he is as a player, he's got a lot more trade value than Thompson.  Love is who he is as a player, while Irving still has time to improve at both ends of the floor.     
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They'll be able to trade Love for a compelling combination of picks and players from somebody like the Nuggets, Celtics, Suns or Rockets.

 
matuski said:
No.. I understand the team aspect.  But it is not a coincidence that all those guys at the top of every all time great list have a handful of rings.

If Bird had 5 and Magic had 3 I would bet they switch places on that list.  If Olajuwon had 4 instead of 2... in contention with Shaq.  Instead Bird drops a few spots, Olajuwon fights to be top 10.  Same for Oscar, Malone, etc.  I am guessing Lebron settles around 7, with the Finals record holding him back from the top 5.  Rings do count when you are talking about the best to ever play.

Ie - there is no debate Lebron is an All Time great, there is also no debate those other All Time greats have more (a lot more) Rings to show for it.

If putting James top 7 ever is hating.. :shrug:
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There are obviously many many problems with the RINGZZZZ argument, but the most obvious is that the league's rules and parameters are constantly changing. The Eastern Conference currently has 15 teams in it. That means every time LeBron's team has proven to be the best team in the East they have defeated more teams than Bill Russell's Celtics teams ever did, almost as many teams as Wilt and early Kareem did, and 2/3rds as many as Bird and Magic did.

 
matuski said:
No.. I understand the team aspect.  But it is not a coincidence that all those guys at the top of every all time great list have a handful of rings.

If Bird had 5 and Magic had 3 I would bet they switch places on that list.  If Olajuwon had 4 instead of 2... in contention with Shaq.  Instead Bird drops a few spots, Olajuwon fights to be top 10.  Same for Oscar, Malone, etc.  I am guessing Lebron settles around 7, with the Finals record holding him back from the top 5.  Rings do count when you are talking about the best to ever play.

Ie - there is no debate Lebron is an All Time great, there is also no debate those other All Time greats have more (a lot more) Rings to show for it.

If putting James top 7 ever is hating.. :shrug:
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Isiah Thomas has 2 rings and retired at 33 and is not top 10. James may never win another title as a player but will still be a top 10 all time player.    In Miami James looked up to Wade and respected Riley.  In Cleveland James is Wade and Riley combined and put in any puppet HC that you want.  A role that James wanted but not sure he is really comfortable with regardless of his ability.

 
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Peyton Marino said:
what's ironic about this whole thing is if Joe T the poster were to draw a comparison to an NBA player, it would probably be Lebron.  elite production in the early years, but couldn't bring one home until he latched onto a couple other elite posters.  now riding solo, past his prime, and looking like it will never happen for him again.  sad!
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Troof 

 
Kev4029 said:
They'll be able to trade Love for a compelling combination of picks and players from somebody like the Nuggets, Celtics, Suns or Rockets.
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Boston Trades Bradley, Crowder and 16th and 23rd picks for Love and Thompson.

Denver Trades Gallo and the 7th Pick for Love.

The Suns trade Chandler, Knight, 13th and 18th picks for Thompson and Love.

The Jazz trade Favors, Rodney Hood and the 12th pick for Love.

 
At the end of the day, when overlooking player legacies amongst the all time best, there are two things people look at, and unfortunately for LeBron winning your conference is not one of them. People only care about:

1. Rings

2. MVPs

 
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ShamrockPride said:
At the end of the day, when overlooking player legacies there are two things people look at, and unfortunately for LeBron winning your conference is not one of them. People only care about:

1. Rings

2. MVPs
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Yup. That's why when people talk about the greatest PGs ever they always bring up Mario Chalmers and Derek Fisher but you never hear anything about John Stockton or Gary Payton.

 
ShamrockPride said:
At the end of the day, when overlooking player legacies amongst the all time best, there are two things people look at, and unfortunately for LeBron winning your conference is not one of them. People only care about:

1. Rings

2. MVPs
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That's the stupid people.  hth

 
ShamrockPride said:
At the end of the day, when overlooking player legacies amongst the all time best, there are two things people look at, and unfortunately for LeBron winning your conference is not one of them. People only care about:

1. Rings

2. MVPs
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Steve Kerr > Oscar Robertson

Robert Horry > LeBron James

Sam Jones > Kobe Bryant

 
Bobcat10 said:
That's the stupid people.  hth
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ShamrockPride said:
At the end of the day, when overlooking player legacies amongst the all time best, there are two things people look at, and unfortunately for LeBron winning your conference is not one of them. People only care about:

1. Rings

2. MVPs
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son lebron has 6 total.  (Off the top of my head) That puts him behind Jordan, magic, Duncan, Russell, Kareem,  and ties him with wilt, Kobe and bird, right?

 
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