Raiderfan32904
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Since we're dealing with hypotheticals, what bout the young Greg Jennings, the non-concussed Wes Weller, or the non foot injured Hakeem Nicks. Hypothetically speaking of course.
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Raiderfan32904
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Chadstroma
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I think the point is that we don't know for absolute fact he has lost a step. We know Jennings is old and Welker is a walking concussion. You can see if he is slow or fast by having him come in and run for you. Then you make your decision.Raiderfan32904 said:
ICON211
Footballguy
And there is no downside to bringing him in for a visit and very little downside to signing him given the cap space and that they would not be giving him a huge contract.
Chaka
Footballguy
Don't bother, they seem to be offering an opinion about him personally (which I kind of agree with on many levels). Let's be honest, even if he is completely healthy it still might not be a good move to bring in a guy with his reputation into the locker room. However a pragmatic football decision dictates that they explore their options and bringing him in is not a bad move. If he is physically healthier than last year and a bit humbled/driven by having to play for a 'prove-it' deal he could do a lot to help the team and the naysayers will be loving the signing by the end of the year.
massraider
Footballguy
At this point in free agency, why not? I say that because if they had signed him week 1 of free agency for a big deal, that would be terrifying. There's no other FA wide receivers making anyone excited, and the Raiders can use more than one.
In reading up on him, Tomsula said during the combine that the 49ers were talking to Crabs and Gore about returning. I am a little encouraged that they wanted him back, that can be taken as a good sign.
There's very little to find about his personality that is very positive, he publicly complained about his usage, and has displayed prima donna tendencies. I am less concerned about that because he won't be signing a deal that will mean the team has to put up with any crap, and it seems like a pretty healthy locker room, unlike the 49ers last year. Change of scenery a good thing? It's happened before. He starts pulling some crap, the Raiders can make an example out of him.
I'd like a prove-it deal, 3 mill base or so, maybe with a team option for a 2nd year?
Last year Carr focused on Jones because he had no other reliable targets at WR, possession or otherwise. Crabtree is probably the same kind of player as Jones, but that's not the end of the world. The return of Streater could be a pretty nice addition that we really haven't discussed, he had a nice year with a lot lesser QBs.
If he gets signed, there's also a possibility he doesn't make it out of camp. If a rookie/Brice Butler steps up, maybe there's no room. Nothing wrong with kicking the tires on a vet (unless it's TRich
). It's only a terrible deal if the team was signing him to be the #1 or #2, and he goes postal. That's not happening. Signing Crabs wouldn't affect the Raiders draft plans the way Dan Williams or Rodney Hudson will, so I don't see much risk.
In reading up on him, Tomsula said during the combine that the 49ers were talking to Crabs and Gore about returning. I am a little encouraged that they wanted him back, that can be taken as a good sign.
There's very little to find about his personality that is very positive, he publicly complained about his usage, and has displayed prima donna tendencies. I am less concerned about that because he won't be signing a deal that will mean the team has to put up with any crap, and it seems like a pretty healthy locker room, unlike the 49ers last year. Change of scenery a good thing? It's happened before. He starts pulling some crap, the Raiders can make an example out of him.
I'd like a prove-it deal, 3 mill base or so, maybe with a team option for a 2nd year?
Last year Carr focused on Jones because he had no other reliable targets at WR, possession or otherwise. Crabtree is probably the same kind of player as Jones, but that's not the end of the world. The return of Streater could be a pretty nice addition that we really haven't discussed, he had a nice year with a lot lesser QBs.
If he gets signed, there's also a possibility he doesn't make it out of camp. If a rookie/Brice Butler steps up, maybe there's no room. Nothing wrong with kicking the tires on a vet (unless it's TRich
). It's only a terrible deal if the team was signing him to be the #1 or #2, and he goes postal. That's not happening. Signing Crabs wouldn't affect the Raiders draft plans the way Dan Williams or Rodney Hudson will, so I don't see much risk.
massraider
Footballguy
I think the Raiders may draft 2 WRs, even if Cooper is the 1st pick. Between going after Cobb, and some of the WRs they have looked at, a slot WR seems like a priority.
There's gonna be a little fast guy in camp, at least one. I think the offense will still rely on the short passing game, Carr's short accuracy is a strength. Maybe find some more guys like Helu, that can do something with the ball.
There's gonna be a little fast guy in camp, at least one. I think the offense will still rely on the short passing game, Carr's short accuracy is a strength. Maybe find some more guys like Helu, that can do something with the ball.
How much of Carr's "short accuracy" is Carr and how much was the interim coaching staff protecting Carr remains unclear. But there is no question getting some speed and playmaker skills at WR is a pressing need. Oddly, Holmes, the only dynamic talent rostered at WR was minimum tendered. That makes Jones and Streeter the likely only odds on returnees to compete for snaps and neither offers speed or elusiveness. Two receiver adds is likely exactly right.
massraider
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Probably a combo of both. The ball came out quick last year. A little too quick for me to think Carr is the next Captain Checkdown. Limiting potential disaster plays, including holding, for an offensive line--with what, 4 new starters??--seemed like it made sense.
Plus, that short passing game was our running game last year. God, I hope Latavius is the goods.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Pardon for being Cap'n Obvious, but we need a WR (or 2) in the worst way. I'm not saying Williams would be a bad pick at #4, but however it all plays out, hoping we land Mr. Cooper and somebody else. I have strong faith that Jack's defense will be hugely upgraded even if we went all offense in the draft. We need to get Carr some weapons.
Silver & Black
Footballguy
I just read that Miami offered Crabtree $3 million for a one year deal and he turned it down, reportedly looking for 4.5 million. His next stop is Oakland. I know we have the money and agree we need to give Carr more options, but I don't think I would be happy giving Crabtree 4 million.
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Footballguy
Are we still playing dream scenarios? If so, here is mine. Mariotta falls to the Raiders and they make swap positions with the Jets, getting Wilkerson and the Jets #1 in return. With that pick they select they top WR on their board.
Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? LOL
Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? LOL
Sarlakticacid
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Cue the Everly Brothers
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Chaka
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cstu
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LawFitz
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Pete Prisco: Kevin White, WR, West Virginia.
His big-play ability would be a great addition to this offense. White fits the Raiders better than Amari Cooper.
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Parrot Prisco clearly thinks Al Davis is still running the team.
I think that Cooper is a MUCH better fit for what McKenzie is looking for in players.
ICON211
Footballguy
I agree. White could be great, but I also think he could be a complete bust. Cooper seems much safer with a higher floor. He's not Randy Moss/Calvin Johnson (who is really?), but he can be a Reggie Wayne type of WR.
massraider
Footballguy
I like Pete Prisco slightly less than genital herpes.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Cooper runs a sub 4.4 forty. He runs more than just short/intermediate routes. He can do it all. Only thing he lacks is elite size, though he's not small either. My only concern about him is that he seems to have the dropsies at times. Not enough to warrant huge concern, but it is a ding IMO.
While White is slightly ahead of Cooper physically, Cooper is light years ahead of White when it comes to the craft of playing WR and in terms of character intangibles.
Chaka
Footballguy
Cooper has bigger hands than White, and was faster in the short shuttle and 3-cone. FWIW Cooper was barely slower in the 40 and White had him on the high jump and broad jump by a good margin.
Chaka
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
Dude takes plays off. Or at least doesn't play up to his potential, play to play, game to game. That's what I'm reading. IF true, that's a huge red flag for me in picking him that high.
Chaka
Footballguy
Sports writers need to look for 'weakness' for analyses, stuff like that is filler for their columns. It's like knocking a Bentley because it doesn't come in your preferred shade of gray.
If he's there at #4 Oakland would be crazy not to take Williams.
Chaka
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
I had no idea who this guy was. Related article.
Using the cap space for special team ace. Fine with me.
massraider
Footballguy
Crabtree left without a deal, according to Twitter. Seems like he's gonna have to wait till after the draft to find a team.
Interested to know if they were kicking tires, or he wanted too much money.
Interested to know if they were kicking tires, or he wanted too much money.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
So glad to hear the news that Crabtree left Oakland without a contract. Not worth our time. Hoping somebody signs him soon. Just not us.
massraider
Footballguy
I wonder if they revisit if they don't go WR with the first pick.
If they were to get Leo Williams at #4, I will be wondering about WRs available in the 2nd. I'm interested in this guy: Jalen Strong. His highlight reel looks like the same thing over and over again, contested sideline throws, and back shoulder throws. As much as Carr loves the back shoulder stuff, it seems like a good fit. Could go in the 1st, but he could be there as well. Played with some bad ASU QBs, and still produced.
massraider
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Raiders had a visit with this late round CB prospect, Dexter McDonald: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/dexter-mcdonald?id=2553234
kaso
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'Reports' out there that the Dolphins may want to trade into the top 10 to go after White. Let's play out this situation to pass the time. Would the Raiders be willing to move that far back? If so, what would it cost Miami? And who could the Raiders target at 14?
The Dolphins and Reggie already have a history of draft day trades, and even in the first round. So as much as it is speculation, maybe it's not that far fetched.
The Dolphins and Reggie already have a history of draft day trades, and even in the first round. So as much as it is speculation, maybe it's not that far fetched.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I like Strong a lot too, or the UCF speedster Perriman in round 2. Too bad Raleigh McKenzie was sleeping on Jalen Strong at the combine.
Raiderfan32904
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silentmark
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Parker is vistiing with the Vikings, ties in the past with Bridgewater so he might not be there at 14.
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At this point I believe Williams will be there at 4 making all the talk of trading down moot.
massraider
Footballguy
I think the only trade down possibility is if Williams is gone,and we move down two or three spots for a Mariota-lover, and still get a WR.
I still believe what Silver&Black said, Williams or Cooper at #4. Which sounds pretty great to me.
Chaka
Footballguy
Williams, Cooper, White, Fowler either way I think the Raiders will be happy with what they get.
SDJohnny
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Chaka
Footballguy
The more I think about it the more I like the idea of teaming Fowler with Mack, that duo could give QBs nightmares for a decade.
Realistically Mack will have his 5th year option picked up so he's locked in for four more years (barring a holdout in year his fifth season). Let's say it takes Fowler most of his first year to figure out how to rush the passer at this level and that gives at least three years of peak performance before the Raiders even need to begin worrying about contract status.
To quote one of my favorite philosophers "Yes, it's nice. Jenqui."
Realistically Mack will have his 5th year option picked up so he's locked in for four more years (barring a holdout in year his fifth season). Let's say it takes Fowler most of his first year to figure out how to rush the passer at this level and that gives at least three years of peak performance before the Raiders even need to begin worrying about contract status.
To quote one of my favorite philosophers "Yes, it's nice. Jenqui."
