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What would you trade for Adrian Peterson? There's some stuff on Twitter, (guy spoke to a front office guy, that kind of thing) that the FO guy believes it's the Cowboys, Fins and Cowboys are in on Peterson.
Cowboys are going to bid against themselves? Sounds like good ole' J. Jones to me! :D

To answer your question- no, I wouldn't. We are still building and youth is the key here. Why give up what we would need to in order to get a guy who has the mileage he does. Sure, he will likely still be elite for two years but then we will see the decline and that should be when this team is on the rise. Does not help us long term and I am not sure why would do that. Sign the vets to the help the young guys in FA but not give up something to get an older guy like that. No thank you.

 
What would you trade for Adrian Peterson? There's some stuff on Twitter, (guy spoke to a front office guy, that kind of thing) that the FO guy believes it's the Cowboys, Fins and Cowboys are in on Peterson.
Cowboys are going to bid against themselves? Sounds like good ole' J. Jones to me! :D

To answer your question- no, I wouldn't. We are still building and youth is the key here. Why give up what we would need to in order to get a guy who has the mileage he does. Sure, he will likely still be elite for two years but then we will see the decline and that should be when this team is on the rise. Does not help us long term and I am not sure why would do that. Sign the vets to the help the young guys in FA but not give up something to get an older guy like that. No thank you.
Ha! That's the lack of coffee typing there.

I think I'd give a 3rd, but if they don't trade for him, I'd be fine with it. He's 30 years old! But he's Adrian Peterson.

 
What would you trade for Adrian Peterson? There's some stuff on Twitter, (guy spoke to a front office guy, that kind of thing) that the FO guy believes it's the Cowboys, Fins and Cowboys are in on Peterson.
Cowboys are going to bid against themselves? Sounds like good ole' J. Jones to me! :D

To answer your question- no, I wouldn't. We are still building and youth is the key here. Why give up what we would need to in order to get a guy who has the mileage he does. Sure, he will likely still be elite for two years but then we will see the decline and that should be when this team is on the rise. Does not help us long term and I am not sure why would do that. Sign the vets to the help the young guys in FA but not give up something to get an older guy like that. No thank you.
I agree 100%. If Peterson was a free agent that would be one thing, but the Raiders can't afford to give up a lot of draft picks for an aging vet.

 
I'd give a 3rd rounder for ADP no problem. If we pick up either Cooper or White and add Peterson, we got a whole bunch of reasons to give defensive coordinators nightmares. This team could compete much faster than expected. And Peterson maybe the wrong side of 30 but he's a freak athlete. If Gore can do it, if FJax can do it, I see no reason ADP can't do it till he's 33. How many good players you expect in the 3rd round anyway? Are we really going to miss out on the Tony Bergstroms/Tyler Wilsons? Three years of ADP at his inflated price doesn't scare me. Bring him on.

 
Oakland is still at least a year away from the point where making a move for a "win-now" type of player like Peterson would make sense.

 
Trading for ADP makes perfect sense with regard to the Raider's salary cap problem (as in they need to spend the minimum). Since the Raiders are cash poor, they can not afford expensive FA's that require guaranteed money held in an escrow account. So, a player with a massive yearly salary (with no signing bonus) is the way Davis will alleviate his minimum cap issue. At least ADP has some talent (unlike that horrible TRich signing).

 
This and chasing demarco is such a raider thing to do, smh.

Imo, its a lame duck attempt to appeal to a fanbase that hasnt had a star to root for in awhile. Or at least to make it appear theyre trying really hard to get that missing piece, sometimes i question whether or not they really want to land a guy like murray or AP, but landing a guy like either of them and then going to LA sounds like a solid publicity move.

But does spending the kind of money/compensation make sense for the raiders at that position? If they were smart they would be building their team to win the division in the next season or two, not to finish 5-11 this year. AP doesnt get them closer to anything, imo.

 
Trading for ADP makes perfect sense with regard to the Raider's salary cap problem (as in they need to spend the minimum). Since the Raiders are cash poor, they can not afford expensive FA's that require guaranteed money held in an escrow account. So, a player with a massive yearly salary (with no signing bonus) is the way Davis will alleviate his minimum cap issue. At least ADP has some talent (unlike that horrible TRich signing).
Me personally, I don't buy this minimum spending death clock people have going. I think all the teams have very smart guys that deal with their cap, and the Raiders have signed front-loaded contracts (like Hudson) that comply with minimum spending, and make for lower cap hits in later years.

 
Trading for ADP makes perfect sense with regard to the Raider's salary cap problem (as in they need to spend the minimum). Since the Raiders are cash poor, they can not afford expensive FA's that require guaranteed money held in an escrow account. So, a player with a massive yearly salary (with no signing bonus) is the way Davis will alleviate his minimum cap issue. At least ADP has some talent (unlike that horrible TRich signing).
Me personally, I don't buy this minimum spending death clock people have going. I think all the teams have very smart guys that deal with their cap, and the Raiders have signed front-loaded contracts (like Hudson) that comply with minimum spending, and make for lower cap hits in later years.
I also thought that they had until next season to hit the spending minimum, which would minimize any urgency for this season. And what is the penalty for non-compliance? A fine?

 
Went looking for Agholor's pro day results, to compare to Cooper, and found this video interview from the Pro Day with Mayock:

Pretty smart kid, I think.
This has been my preference all along. Fowler/Williams in round 1, this guy in round 2. Settle for Locket in round 3 if not (and tag WR as a potential focus next year in FA/draft), snag him as a bargain play in round 4 either way. There is a lot on inter-changeability at WR in these rounds - Devin Smith/Strong/Perriman if they drop to the 2nd, Rashad Greene/Lockett/McBride in the 3rd, there are lots of ways to get value at WR. Premium pass rushers are scarce. Get one.

 
If I knew we could get McBride in the 3rd, I would take Leo and Digi in the 1st and 2nd and watch Raidersfan32904's head explode.

 
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Oakland is still at least a year away from the point where making a move for a "win-now" type of player like Peterson would make sense.
yeah..sorry but this makes no sense. Inertia creates it's own force. Moving strongly out of the cellar is the only way we break out of this 12 year rut.

 
What would you trade for Adrian Peterson? There's some stuff on Twitter, (guy spoke to a front office guy, that kind of thing) that the FO guy believes it's the Cowboys, Fins and Cowboys are in on Peterson.
Cowboys are going to bid against themselves? Sounds like good ole' J. Jones to me! :D

To answer your question- no, I wouldn't. We are still building and youth is the key here. Why give up what we would need to in order to get a guy who has the mileage he does. Sure, he will likely still be elite for two years but then we will see the decline and that should be when this team is on the rise. Does not help us long term and I am not sure why would do that. Sign the vets to the help the young guys in FA but not give up something to get an older guy like that. No thank you.
Ha! That's the lack of coffee typing there.

I think I'd give a 3rd, but if they don't trade for him, I'd be fine with it. He's 30 years old! But he's Adrian Peterson.
I would not cry over a 3rd but I don't think he would come that cheaply and I think that the other teams would outbid that.

Look, I would love having Peterson but I just don't see the worth on it if we have to give up draft picks. If we were a better team right now- then sure. But we have some progress to make to be a real solid winning team. Peterson would be a luxury expense at this point. Like the guy who has $20 to his name going out and buying a $5K Rolex because he could get it for only $1K. Sure, might make sense for other people but not so much that guy.

 
Oakland is still at least a year away from the point where making a move for a "win-now" type of player like Peterson would make sense.
yeah..sorry but this makes no sense. Inertia creates it's own force. Moving strongly out of the cellar is the only way we break out of this 12 year rut.
I really don't understand what you mean by that. What inertia? One or two more wins? How does that help long term? And how is it the "only way"?

You don't buy your way out of mediocrity you build.

Peterson may be good for a couple more wins this season but at what price? They would sacrifice pick(s) that help build a future of sustained success.

Let Reggie try to implement the Green Bay philosophy. Let him build a young foundation that needs "one piece" to breakthrough, not waste picks getting a short term splash. It's not like they haven't tried the big splash inertia creating strategy in the past.

 
So if the Raiders are set on going defense @ #4 and Leonard Williams is already gone, why not pass on Fowler and trade down a few spots and grab Bud Dupree instead?

 
Trading for ADP makes perfect sense with regard to the Raider's salary cap problem (as in they need to spend the minimum). Since the Raiders are cash poor, they can not afford expensive FA's that require guaranteed money held in an escrow account. So, a player with a massive yearly salary (with no signing bonus) is the way Davis will alleviate his minimum cap issue. At least ADP has some talent (unlike that horrible TRich signing).
Me personally, I don't buy this minimum spending death clock people have going. I think all the teams have very smart guys that deal with their cap, and the Raiders have signed front-loaded contracts (like Hudson) that comply with minimum spending, and make for lower cap hits in later years.
You may not be buying it, but it is a real issue. My point is that given their cap situation, ADP makes sense. If you have to burn some dough, might as well spend it on pro bowl talent. Unlike TRich....

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/3/21/5532442/oakland-raiders-updated-salary-cap-status-with-salary-floor-rookie-pool

 
Trading for ADP makes perfect sense with regard to the Raider's salary cap problem (as in they need to spend the minimum). Since the Raiders are cash poor, they can not afford expensive FA's that require guaranteed money held in an escrow account. So, a player with a massive yearly salary (with no signing bonus) is the way Davis will alleviate his minimum cap issue. At least ADP has some talent (unlike that horrible TRich signing).
Me personally, I don't buy this minimum spending death clock people have going. I think all the teams have very smart guys that deal with their cap, and the Raiders have signed front-loaded contracts (like Hudson) that comply with minimum spending, and make for lower cap hits in later years.
You may not be buying it, but it is a real issue. My point is that given their cap situation, ADP makes sense. If you have to burn some dough, might as well spend it on pro bowl talent. Unlike TRich....

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/3/21/5532442/oakland-raiders-updated-salary-cap-status-with-salary-floor-rookie-pool
If it was just a cash situation I would probably be on board with that logic but he's not a free agent, they will have to give up picks too.

 
Ian Rapoport@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago
#Raiders, with No. 4 pick, sent a 4-person contingent that included DC Ken Norton to workout #Clemson pass-rusher Vic Beasley today.

Ian Rapoport@RapSheet 41s41 seconds ago
Interestingly, #Raiders group for Vic Beasley had their DL coach & LBs coach. Jags sent DL coach Todd Wash to follow up with Beasley too.

If I am guessing, I think this is due diligence/smoke screen. If Rapaport is tweeting they sent a full contingent, then mission accomplished. I think he can rush the passer, but I question if that combine weight is the weight he'll play at.

 
Could be a smokescreen and it may be a harbringer of things to come. I'm guessing Reggie finds a way to trade out of that #4 pick no matter how much we all have visions of Williams or Cooper or White dancing in our heads. It's just Reggie's way. I won't be mad at a trade down, but he better not get fleeced on the trade value chart like he did two years ago.

 
The trade value chart holds questionable value at best and, frankly I think Hayden > Jordan at this point and even if Watson never becomes anything more than a primary backup at G-T then it's an even bigger win for Oak.

 
if the trade value chart were so outdated, why did subsequent first and second round trades made in that same year hold true to the chart?

And the Hayden comp is lazy. Why not compare him to Star or Richardson who were available at pick 12? Watson is an absolute bust pick, and could have had Leveon Bell or Kiko Alonzo? Any way you slice it, Reggie turned the #3 pick in 2013 into a pumpkin. To draw comparisons to another bust pick doesn't make it smell anymore prettier.

 
It's an arbitrary measuring stick but the reality is a pick is only worth what someone will pay for it.

And frankly my analysis is no more lazy than talking about who they didn't take at #12 when the question is also who didn't they take at #3 (because that is where they would have been if the trade didn't happen). 13 teams didn't think Richardson or Lotulelei were worth that pick and the guys in between #3 & #12 are okay at best (0 A.P. All-Pros, 0 Pro Bowls).

Lane Johnson - he's got a Pro Football Focus 1st team all pro vote and a PED suspension

Mingo - 55 tackles and 7 sacks in 2 seasons

Ansah - best pick of the bunch...on paper, but get back to me after he has played without Suh and Fairley helping him out.

Cooper - Injury bust so far

Austin - come on

Milliner - see Austin

Warmack - don't know much about him but sure, why not?

Fluker - The Chargers left tackle of the future can't beat out a journeyman 7th rounder

Every Raider fan would be happy if they picked Richardson but it's an inexact science and the Raiders were not alone in missing out on him, in retrospect he probably should have gone #1 overall. Another reality is that the book hasn't been written on any of these guys careers just yet so can't we just see how it plays out?

 
And if the Raiders #### the bed by missing out on 520 magic points then what do you say about the Redskins who gave up 5,490 magic points to get 2,600 magic points in return?

 
But again who cares about that right now, the team looks like it is moving in the right direction and we should be considering if a move down to get a guy like Beasley or Dupree (or someone else) makes sense.

Frankly I think they should go Williams, Cooper and if they are gone then they should consider the trade down.

 
You have to evaluate a draft pick trade by the value of the picks at the time of the trade, not who is taken with the picks years later.

I would agree that the Beasley thing is a smokescreen. I feel very strongly that the pick is going to be Williams, Cooper or Fowler and I would be a bit surprised if they traded down unless they were completely blown away by an offer.

 
So why do people like Fowler so much more than Dupree?

They are physical clones but Dupree was more productive for longer against very similar competition (with less help). And it seems like he is a real high motor guy too.

 
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So why do people like Fowler so much more than Dupree?

They are physical clones but Dupree was more productive for longer against very similar competition (with less help). And it seems like he is a real high motor guy too.
I didn't see Dupree pass rush much. They moved him all over, had him do a bunch of stuff. I saw him in coverage, a lot really.

If they both hit, I think Dupree has a higher upside. Maybe a lot higher. But I think right now, Fowler is a better pass rusher.

 
So why do people like Fowler so much more than Dupree?

They are physical clones but Dupree was more productive for longer against very similar competition (with less help). And it seems like he is a real high motor guy too.
I didn't see Dupree pass rush much. They moved him all over, had him do a bunch of stuff. I saw him in coverage, a lot really.

If they both hit, I think Dupree has a higher upside. Maybe a lot higher. But I think right now, Fowler is a better pass rusher.
I didn't see Dupree much at KY but he had 91 tackles (12.5 for loss) and 6.5 sacks as a sophomore , as a JR 61 tackles (9.5 for loss) and 7.0 sacks and as a senior he had 74 tackles (12.5 for loss) and 7.5 sacks. Seems like he spent a lot of time in the offensive backfield.

Fowler OTOH had 50 tackles (10.5 for loss) and 3.5 sacks as a sophomore and 61 tackles (15 for loss) and 8.5 sacks as a junior.

And both played in the SEC east.

Dupree also had the combine best numbers in the 40, long jump and broad jump at OLB position during the combine. Fowler was better in the 20 yd shuttle and 3-cone which is no doubt significant.

It is difficult to judge by just the numbers but Dupree sure seems like he was incredibly productive for a longer period. I typically favor that kind of consistency. Kind of like how I prefer Cooper over White.

I am just wondering if Reggie is locked into going defense and Williams is gone if he would consider falling back a few spots in the hope of getting Dupree and picking up a pick or two along the way.

 
I have been a big fan of the nature of the visits the team has been conducting with draft prospects. A lot of late-rounder, priority free agent-types.

The top 100, I wonder how much a team can learn. They interviewed at the combine, did all their investigations, all-star games, etc. Is one more meeting really that productive, especially when you have a limited amount? Looking up some of these players, I wonder if the team is at an advantageous position when the post-draft mad rush for UDFA happens. If they wind up with a solid UDFA class, it may be the reason.

 
So why do people like Fowler so much more than Dupree?

They are physical clones but Dupree was more productive for longer against very similar competition (with less help). And it seems like he is a real high motor guy too.
I didn't see Dupree pass rush much. They moved him all over, had him do a bunch of stuff. I saw him in coverage, a lot really.

If they both hit, I think Dupree has a higher upside. Maybe a lot higher. But I think right now, Fowler is a better pass rusher.
I didn't see Dupree much at KY but he had 91 tackles (12.5 for loss) and 6.5 sacks as a sophomore , as a JR 61 tackles (9.5 for loss) and 7.0 sacks and as a senior he had 74 tackles (12.5 for loss) and 7.5 sacks. Seems like he spent a lot of time in the offensive backfield.

Fowler OTOH had 50 tackles (10.5 for loss) and 3.5 sacks as a sophomore and 61 tackles (15 for loss) and 8.5 sacks as a junior.

And both played in the SEC east.

Dupree also had the combine best numbers in the 40, long jump and broad jump at OLB position during the combine. Fowler was better in the 20 yd shuttle and 3-cone which is no doubt significant.

It is difficult to judge by just the numbers but Dupree sure seems like he was incredibly productive for a longer period. I typically favor that kind of consistency. Kind of like how I prefer Cooper over White.

I am just wondering if Reggie is locked into going defense and Williams is gone if he would consider falling back a few spots in the hope of getting Dupree and picking up a pick or two along the way.
I think that could definitely be in play. It goes back to the herd mentality I keep yapping about. There's absolutely no reason that McKenzie and company couldn't LOVE one or the other at DE, and in a short trade down take one. It's a little bit of a gamble, especially if you are locked in on one, but if the payoff is there (a high 2nd?) it may be worth the risk. Adding another high 2nd rounder is adding another starter for this team. The danger is very real, which might preclude a trade down, because every team behind us could be in play for a DE. WAS right behind us, first and foremost. They run a 3-4, but Fowler and Bud could be projected there, neither is a true 4-3 DE only.

Watching them on Draft Breakdown, you got to see more of Fowler rushing. Doesn't mean Dupree isn't as good at it, he was used as a read-react 3-4 OLB a lot more. Florida turned Fowler loose a lot more.

Cosell likes Fowler better than Williams as a prospect, BTW. He also said some SEC coaches said they never worried about Dupree as a rusher because Kentucky used him to do so much more. He set the edge, spied a lot, and you can see why. When he diagnoses, and goes after the ball, he gets there in a hurry. I mean, when he turns on the speed, he's all of a sudden the fastest guy on the field.

I like them both more than Beasley and Gregory, because of their size as it pertains to our defense. As a pure pass rusher, I think Gregory is the best, at that one thing. Beasley has the best first step. But Fowler and Dupree I think can be more useful all three downs.

I still like Cooper/Williams more, as I think with the edge guys, there's more projection, what they could do, and Williams and Cooper, can play right now based on what they have done.

Dupree and Fowler are both considered very high character guys too, Dupree especially gets complimented for it.

 
He set the edge, spied a lot, and you can see why. When he diagnoses, and goes after the ball, he gets there in a hurry. I mean, when he turns on the speed, he's all of a sudden the fastest guy on the field.

Dupree and Fowler are both considered very high character guys too, Dupree especially gets complimented for it.
When I started looking into Dupree more it was these things that really bumped him up in my estimation. Dupree apparently can hold up against the run and make sure a mobile QB won't break contain (none of those in the AFC West though), his ability to make plays in the backfield is a bonus. Dupree demonstrated consistency and versatility and he apparently has the motor and work ethic to go along with it. And despite the Crabtree signing I think McKenzie puts a premium on character.

My goodness the draft can't get here soon enough.

 
Rotoworld:

The Oakland Tribune's Jerry McDonald doubts the Raiders would trade for Adrian Peterson.
Owner Mark Davis was resolutely against Oakland acquiring Greg Hardy this offseason because of his off-field issues, and McDonald believes that sentiment makes any deal for Peterson unlikely. There is also the issue of compensation. The Raiders are not just one player away from competing, and they would be better served using any picks they would use to land Peterson on young, inexpensive talent. Peterson could still find his way to Oakland, but it does not appear to be the most likely outcome.

Related: Raiders

Source: Inside The Oakland Raiders
Apr 18 - 12:41 PM
 
Rotoworld:

The Oakland Tribune's Jerry McDonald doubts the Raiders would trade for Adrian Peterson.
Owner Mark Davis was resolutely against Oakland acquiring Greg Hardy this offseason because of his off-field issues, and McDonald believes that sentiment makes any deal for Peterson unlikely. There is also the issue of compensation. The Raiders are not just one player away from competing, and they would be better served using any picks they would use to land Peterson on young, inexpensive talent. Peterson could still find his way to Oakland, but it does not appear to be the most likely outcome.

Related: Raiders

Source: Inside The Oakland Raiders
Apr 18 - 12:41 PM
well if jerry says so then it must be true

 
Word is the cost for ADP is a first rounder and starting CB. Translation: We ain't trading him.
Good. I'm happy that the Vikings priced the Raiders out of the running. Even if we will never know if the Raiders were truly interested or not.

 
Amari Cooper on First Take. Look up the interview when you can. You'll fall in love. He's bright. Talks about eschewing the spotlight, which is nice.

Favorite two comments:

Prefer playing inside or outside? "I prefer the outside. Inside is less of a challenge."

Smith brings up Kevin White, talking about his size, Skip interjects, "and he's a touch faster". Cooper laughs and says simply, "No he's not."

 
Jags sign Stefan Wisnewski. 1 year, 2.5 mill.

:mellow:
I am surprised this hasn't received more attention. He must have the same agent as Crabtree. That is 2 guys whose egos were much larger then their actual value and the contracts show it.
He was/is a solid center but not elite. It is not like he is an instant upgrade for a ton of teams out there or an upgrade enough to cough up money. But also like Crabtree there were some questions that hurt his value. Any FA that has any injury is going to see a deflation of value unless your name is Manning or some other HOF type player where a team will take the plunge and hope.

 
Amari Cooper on First Take. Look up the interview when you can. You'll fall in love. He's bright. Talks about eschewing the spotlight, which is nice.

Favorite two comments:

Prefer playing inside or outside? "I prefer the outside. Inside is less of a challenge."

Smith brings up Kevin White, talking about his size, Skip interjects, "and he's a touch faster". Cooper laughs and says simply, "No he's not."
Amari is a no-brainer over Kevin White IMO. The real conundrum would be if both he and Leo Williams are on the board when #4 comes around. I perceive Amari to be the safer pick for pro-bowl level production, but Leo plays a more premium position, so if he's passed Reggie's vetting process and is taken, I'll trust the call. Despite what some on this board say about the guy, I have faith in Reggie's player evaluation.

 
Thoughts on the Smelter kid (WR) later in the draft. Dude is not shy about blocking

wn.com/video/deandre-smelter-vs-clemson-2014/

 
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Amari Cooper on First Take. Look up the interview when you can. You'll fall in love. He's bright. Talks about eschewing the spotlight, which is nice.

Favorite two comments:

Prefer playing inside or outside? "I prefer the outside. Inside is less of a challenge."

Smith brings up Kevin White, talking about his size, Skip interjects, "and he's a touch faster". Cooper laughs and says simply, "No he's not."
Amari is a no-brainer over Kevin White IMO. The real conundrum would be if both he and Leo Williams are on the board when #4 comes around. I perceive Amari to be the safer pick for pro-bowl level production, but Leo plays a more premium position, so if he's passed Reggie's vetting process and is taken, I'll trust the call. Despite what some on this board say about the guy, I have faith in Reggie's player evaluation.
What would be the SP reaction if the Raiders landed Williams and DGB with the first two picks? Granted DGB's character issues make it unlikely but....

 
Amari Cooper on First Take. Look up the interview when you can. You'll fall in love. He's bright. Talks about eschewing the spotlight, which is nice.

Favorite two comments:

Prefer playing inside or outside? "I prefer the outside. Inside is less of a challenge."

Smith brings up Kevin White, talking about his size, Skip interjects, "and he's a touch faster". Cooper laughs and says simply, "No he's not."
Amari is a no-brainer over Kevin White IMO. The real conundrum would be if both he and Leo Williams are on the board when #4 comes around. I perceive Amari to be the safer pick for pro-bowl level production, but Leo plays a more premium position, so if he's passed Reggie's vetting process and is taken, I'll trust the call. Despite what some on this board say about the guy, I have faith in Reggie's player evaluation.
What would be the SP reaction if the Raiders landed Williams and DGB with the first two picks? Granted DGB's character issues make it unlikely but....
I know my reaction would be :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

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