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FWIW, some of Gill Brandt's observations about the Raider's draft:Agree. We had many holes and need for depth, but core needs were clear (IMO) -- WR, DE pass rush, CB. And I think we only walked away from the first 4 rounds addressing one.Raiderfan32904 said:Overriding point is this was a roster that came into the draft talent deficient in a lot of key areas. Free agency was supposed to fill in a lot of holes, but it didn't for whatever reason. The draft was supposed to build our foundation pieces. We had a full draft slate and should have picked up at least 2 or 3 starters. Rounds 4-7 are usually upside longshots and special teamers and I get that. We came away with one new starter and a grab bag of maybes. We really didn't have the luxury of so many upside guys, when we could use sme nice safe upgrades. I dunno, but the draft plan is lost on me, other than Cooper. I have no idea what the Raiders are trying to do. Doesn't make much sense to me.
If you are going to reach a little for a DE, at least ensure that he fills the need by having a proven and consistent track record of using the edge effectively. I get the Sunseri reunion angle, but the Raiders haven't really proven they have the ability to develop talent effectively -- which points to another reason why getting starting talent is necessary for this team.
Really like the Wolford pick as I think a primary receiver out of the TE spot gives Carr another weapon and aligns with the way the game is played now, but it wasn't a burning need given that Rivera seemed to be developing.
In later rounds, I liked that we looked to stockpile picks, but again you need to look at opportunity cost of what you're giving up versus what additional depth you can get. We weren't taking BPA, and we weren't exactly focusing on core needs. So agree that it's hard to tease out the draft plan they were working with here. Maybe a true identity gets molded based on talent you have and acquire, but would be more confident knowing that we had a path to a specific identity going into the draft, rather than what seems like some scattershot drafting.
All that said -- I'm still very encouraged. We definitely have a better team than we did a year ago, and seeing the Raiders have fresh men on the squad that could potentially provide greater depth and flexibility on both sides of the ball is great. We may not be developing as fast or in the way we would want in a perfect world -- but we are developing.
He loves me. This is just his busy time of year.... no time for scrolling up!Faust has you on ignore
He loves me. This is just his busy time of year.... no time for scrolling up!Faust has you on ignore
Even if Musgrave is a homeless Chip Kelly, he's still an upgrade over the last OC. And I do specifically recall hearing Carr talk up the new system as being very similar to the spread he ran at Fresno St, if that's any indication.Are we certain that Musgrave is going with a Philly style offense?
I am not sure I buy that he is going to completely change his style so completely after only one season with Kelly, or if he can implement such a scheme even if he wanted to...or if he could consistently and competently make effective play calls even if he did switch schemes and implement it.
Has he ever done much that was worth thinking of?wow, you don't think much of Musgrave.![]()
He may be an upgrade, heck he is probably an upgrade, but if you look at his resume as an OC he may turn out to be a lateral move.Even if Musgrave is a homeless Chip Kelly, he's still an upgrade over the last OC. And I do specifically recall hearing Carr talk up the new system as being very similar to the spread he ran at Fresno St, if that's any indication.Are we certain that Musgrave is going with a Philly style offense?
I am not sure I buy that he is going to completely change his style so completely after only one season with Kelly, or if he can implement such a scheme even if he wanted to...or if he could consistently and competently make effective play calls even if he did switch schemes and implement it.
I would hope that they front loan them quite a bit (or as much as allowed via CBA rules). Seems like the no brainer thing to do- pay them more now to get us past the min cap and gives us more money for future spending.page 3 save...
Any idea on when we might start hearing of the Raiders rookies signing their contracts? With the new CBA the contracts should be fairly cut and dry, right?
Very soon. Teams are already signing their picks and IIRC the Raiders had everyone under contract well before training camp last year.page 3 save...
Any idea on when we might start hearing of the Raiders rookies signing their contracts? With the new CBA the contracts should be fairly cut and dry, right?
I hope he makes well in Oakland. Should have instant chemistry and a good history of production with Carr in college. Ran a subpar 40 time at the combine, but backed that up with a 4.5 40 at his pro day. Harper is quicker than he is fast, and fluid receiver on the field. I could see him as a slot receiver.
Always good to hear particularly after what looks to have happened to Fowler.Vic Tafur @VicTafur 10m10 minutes ago
Practice just about over. No injuries. Cooper, Walford stood out as they should. CB McDonald looked the part, did get beat deep by Amari
You see Trent Richardson getting close to 50% of the work?I thought Murray was the undisputed lead back. Isn't Helu just a pass catcher?It's really far too early to make any type of realistic projection but here is my thinking on the issue.
Oakland was dead last in rushing yards (1,240) and rushing TDs (4) last year so the question has to begin with how much do you think is a reasonable improvement in both those categories over last year?
Personally I would say that maybe they could move up a dozen spots (maybe) that would but them around 1,600 rushing yards (as a team) and 10-11 rushing TDs.
So the next part of the question is how much of that pie do we think Murray will get? Realistically I wouldn't project much over 50-55% right now, at least not until we start to hear stories about how he is being used during mini-camps and training camp. So right now I would start with 800-900 rushing yards with maybe 5 TDs. Then try to add in receiving yards.
I personally think Murray will be the lead back by a pretty wide margin but only the very best backs in the NFL approach 70% of the RB production for their team. I am not ready to say that Murray is in that category just yet.alvarndc said:You see Trent Richardson getting close to 50% of the work?I thought Murray was the undisputed lead back. Isn't Helu just a pass catcher?Chaka said:It's really far too early to make any type of realistic projection but here is my thinking on the issue.
Oakland was dead last in rushing yards (1,240) and rushing TDs (4) last year so the question has to begin with how much do you think is a reasonable improvement in both those categories over last year?
Personally I would say that maybe they could move up a dozen spots (maybe) that would but them around 1,600 rushing yards (as a team) and 10-11 rushing TDs.
So the next part of the question is how much of that pie do we think Murray will get? Realistically I wouldn't project much over 50-55% right now, at least not until we start to hear stories about how he is being used during mini-camps and training camp. So right now I would start with 800-900 rushing yards with maybe 5 TDs. Then try to add in receiving yards.
Agree that Murray will ultimately be the talent that wins out, but unless there are clear signs through preseason, I think that transition will take time this year to play out.I personally think Murray will be the lead back by a pretty wide margin but only the very best backs in the NFL approach 70% of the RB production for their team. I am not ready to say that Murray is in that category just yet.alvarndc said:You see Trent Richardson getting close to 50% of the work?I thought Murray was the undisputed lead back. Isn't Helu just a pass catcher?Chaka said:It's really far too early to make any type of realistic projection but here is my thinking on the issue.
Oakland was dead last in rushing yards (1,240) and rushing TDs (4) last year so the question has to begin with how much do you think is a reasonable improvement in both those categories over last year?
Personally I would say that maybe they could move up a dozen spots (maybe) that would but them around 1,600 rushing yards (as a team) and 10-11 rushing TDs.
So the next part of the question is how much of that pie do we think Murray will get? Realistically I wouldn't project much over 50-55% right now, at least not until we start to hear stories about how he is being used during mini-camps and training camp. So right now I would start with 800-900 rushing yards with maybe 5 TDs. Then try to add in receiving yards.
Helu will carry the ball, Richardson will carry the ball, Reece will carry the ball. What percentage each will carry the ball is unknown but it could easily be 40-50% of the teams carries.
Oakland had 337 total rushing attempts last year (dead last in the league). Maybe that bumps a dozen spots to around 400? Right now it seems unlikely that Murray will get 75% of those carries.
I don't think 75% is out of the question. It's probably more like the expectation. During the last 4 games, Murray got 68 of the 92 RB carries, or 74%. For the season, you can't look at the totals to determine what the lead back is getting. MJD was the guy week one, until getting hurt. McFadden took over week 2 and held the job until Murray took over in week 14. If you add up the lead RB carries in each of those games, it comes to 209 carries. Divide that by total RB carries (303) and you get 69%. Somewhere around those two numbers is what I'd expect, of course, barring injury.I personally think Murray will be the lead back by a pretty wide margin but only the very best backs in the NFL approach 70% of the RB production for their team. I am not ready to say that Murray is in that category just yet.Helu will carry the ball, Richardson will carry the ball, Reece will carry the ball. What percentage each will carry the ball is unknown but it could easily be 40-50% of the teams carries.alvarndc said:You see Trent Richardson getting close to 50% of the work?I thought Murray was the undisputed lead back. Isn't Helu just a pass catcher?Chaka said:It's really far too early to make any type of realistic projection but here is my thinking on the issue.
Oakland was dead last in rushing yards (1,240) and rushing TDs (4) last year so the question has to begin with how much do you think is a reasonable improvement in both those categories over last year?
Personally I would say that maybe they could move up a dozen spots (maybe) that would but them around 1,600 rushing yards (as a team) and 10-11 rushing TDs.
So the next part of the question is how much of that pie do we think Murray will get? Realistically I wouldn't project much over 50-55% right now, at least not until we start to hear stories about how he is being used during mini-camps and training camp. So right now I would start with 800-900 rushing yards with maybe 5 TDs. Then try to add in receiving yards.
Oakland had 337 total rushing attempts last year (dead last in the league). Maybe that bumps a dozen spots to around 400? Right now it seems unlikely that Murray will get 75% of those carries.
That is an unrealistic expectation. Even if it didn't take multiple injuries before Murray even got a chance to see the field the simple fact is that only the Adrian Peterson/Arian Foster/Matt Forte type backs even come close to seeing 74% of the carries for their teams. Do you know how many RBs carried the ball 300 times last season? Two. DeMarco Murray and LeSean McCoy. Only five backs had 300 total touches (Murray, McCoy, Lynch, Forte & Bell).I don't think 75% is out of the question. It's probably more like the expectation. During the last 4 games, Murray got 68 of the 92 RB carries, or 74%. For the season, you can't look at the totals to determine what the lead back is getting. MJD was the guy week one, until getting hurt. McFadden took over week 2 and held the job until Murray took over in week 14. If you add up the lead RB carries in each of those games, it comes to 209 carries. Divide that by total RB carries (303) and you get 69%. Somewhere around those two numbers is what I'd expect, of course, barring injury.I personally think Murray will be the lead back by a pretty wide margin but only the very best backs in the NFL approach 70% of the RB production for their team. I am not ready to say that Murray is in that category just yet.Helu will carry the ball, Richardson will carry the ball, Reece will carry the ball. What percentage each will carry the ball is unknown but it could easily be 40-50% of the teams carries.alvarndc said:You see Trent Richardson getting close to 50% of the work?I thought Murray was the undisputed lead back. Isn't Helu just a pass catcher?Chaka said:It's really far too early to make any type of realistic projection but here is my thinking on the issue.
Oakland was dead last in rushing yards (1,240) and rushing TDs (4) last year so the question has to begin with how much do you think is a reasonable improvement in both those categories over last year?
Personally I would say that maybe they could move up a dozen spots (maybe) that would but them around 1,600 rushing yards (as a team) and 10-11 rushing TDs.
So the next part of the question is how much of that pie do we think Murray will get? Realistically I wouldn't project much over 50-55% right now, at least not until we start to hear stories about how he is being used during mini-camps and training camp. So right now I would start with 800-900 rushing yards with maybe 5 TDs. Then try to add in receiving yards.
Oakland had 337 total rushing attempts last year (dead last in the league). Maybe that bumps a dozen spots to around 400? Right now it seems unlikely that Murray will get 75% of those carries.
At Central FloridaMurray is talented, but he's been hurt a lot. Has he ever carried a full load?
I can easily see him busting out of the gates early, then breaking down after a few games. Sort of like Rashad Jennings on the Giants last year.
So since 2008, encompassing his entire college and pro careers, he's had only one season with lead back work. Got it, thanks.At Central FloridaMurray is talented, but he's been hurt a lot. Has he ever carried a full load?
I can easily see him busting out of the gates early, then breaking down after a few games. Sort of like Rashad Jennings on the Giants last year.
2008 Freshman 8 games 47 touches (4th on the team in carries)
2009 DNP? Injury I presume but am not sure
2010 Sophomore 14 games 116 touches (4th on the team in carries)
Junior 12 games 106 touches (3rd on the team in carries)
Senior 11 games 225 touches (Led the team in carries, Storm Johnson was #2)
Number of 20+ carry games in college: 9 (6 as a senior)
If Feliciano and Howard start at RG and RT the offensive line will be pretty young actually. Jackson 23, Hudson 25, Feliciano 23, Howard 28. The only offensive lineman over 30 would be Penn.Agree that Murray will ultimately be the talent that wins out, but unless there are clear signs through preseason, I think that transition will take time this year to play out.I personally think Murray will be the lead back by a pretty wide margin but only the very best backs in the NFL approach 70% of the RB production for their team. I am not ready to say that Murray is in that category just yet.alvarndc said:You see Trent Richardson getting close to 50% of the work?I thought Murray was the undisputed lead back. Isn't Helu just a pass catcher?Chaka said:It's really far too early to make any type of realistic projection but here is my thinking on the issue.
Oakland was dead last in rushing yards (1,240) and rushing TDs (4) last year so the question has to begin with how much do you think is a reasonable improvement in both those categories over last year?
Personally I would say that maybe they could move up a dozen spots (maybe) that would but them around 1,600 rushing yards (as a team) and 10-11 rushing TDs.
So the next part of the question is how much of that pie do we think Murray will get? Realistically I wouldn't project much over 50-55% right now, at least not until we start to hear stories about how he is being used during mini-camps and training camp. So right now I would start with 800-900 rushing yards with maybe 5 TDs. Then try to add in receiving yards.
Helu will carry the ball, Richardson will carry the ball, Reece will carry the ball. What percentage each will carry the ball is unknown but it could easily be 40-50% of the teams carries.
Oakland had 337 total rushing attempts last year (dead last in the league). Maybe that bumps a dozen spots to around 400? Right now it seems unlikely that Murray will get 75% of those carries.
The investment was limited, but the team did go out and grab Helu and Richardson, and then even took a flyer on Dyer. Taiwan Jones and George Atkinson are also rostered. Not all backs are going to make the cut, obviously, but while Murray looked competent last year, he's also still relatively green and I think these moves show the Raiders are likely going to find out which backs work best in further developing the offense and Carr.
From a fantasy perspective, even if/when Murray does take the reins, it's likely still going to be in a timeshare that will limit the upside. Jury is also still out on how upgraded the Raiders O line is over last year -- we lost guys like Wisniewskl (who at least would have provided continuance), and added Hudson as a relatively strong C and perhaps we use Feliciano at RG over Barnes. But it's still an older unit in transition.