2015 Oakland Raiders Thread (1 Viewer)

[jurb26]

If Miller is a FA, Oak would be fools to not kick the tires. He's a great fit to that offense.

 

[RCon]

Blech. So much for a dominant offense.

 

[DocHolliday]

I didn't get to watch any football today. Looks like this team hit a wall. Is it Carr?

 

[joey]

Cooper dropping two key passes didn't help. A shame.

 

[Toomuchnv]

I didn't get to watch any football today. Looks like this team hit a wall. Is it Carr?

The defense, while not allowing a lot of points, is allowing the other teams offense to eat up all the game clock....Oakland had 1 possession in the 1st quarter while Detroit had the ball for 14 of the 15 minutes.....then they were able to eat up the final 7 minutes of the game because our defense can't make a play. I hope they spend most of their cap and draft picks on the defense next season.

 

[ICON211]

Discouraging performance. As is usually the case this team plays horribly when the games are scheduled at 1 est. The first half was absolutely terrible, did nothing till the second half.

 

[raidergil]

I didn't get to watch any football today. Looks like this team hit a wall. Is it Carr?

The defense, while not allowing a lot of points, is allowing the other teams offense to eat up all the game clock....Oakland had 1 possession in the 1st quarter while Detroit had the ball for 14 of the 15 minutes.....then they were able to eat up the final 7 minutes of the game because our defense can't make a play. I hope they spend most of their cap and draft picks on the defense next season.

Yea, D had some big sacks to stop drives but only after Det ate time and was in FG range. Still, give up only 18 and gotta win. O was listless in 1st half. Crab looks great as underneath guy & Carr relies on him. Got screwed on another crazy catch/no catch ruling & Carr missed him on an open 3rd down in Det territory. Cooper fighting ball again today. Hate seeing him on punt return - not comfortable & don't need the risk. Another brutal day running.

 

[lazyike]

Discouraging performance. As is usually the case this team plays horribly when the games are scheduled at 1 est. The first half was absolutely terrible, did nothing till the second half.

Seems in a close game Murray should have more rush attempts than 12. May be some play calling issues as well.

 

[ICON211]

Discouraging performance. As is usually the case this team plays horribly when the games are scheduled at 1 est. The first half was absolutely terrible, did nothing till the second half.

Seems in a close game Murray should have more rush attempts than 12. May be some play calling issues as well.

I don't know what the snap counts were but Olawale seemed to be in an awful lot too.

 

[LawFitz]

Something about this team is still just off. Too young and inexperienced, perhaps. Another slate of draft picks and $70 MM in cap should help. Not really sold on Del Rio, however.

 

[FreshiZ]

Carr just seemed off from the get go today and some dropped pass didn't help. Not saying he played terrible or anything, he just looked "off". Was still nice to see the team play hard for 59min. Sucked losing Hudson but still send like Murray just doesn't look explosive.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Anyone else think that Cooper gets in his own head too much when he makes mistakes. Similar thing happened in the Chicago game too

 

[FreshiZ]

Anyone else think that Cooper gets in his own head too much when he makes mistakes. Similar thing happened in the Chicago game too

I think so but don't really mind it too much. You can tell he has such high expectations of himself.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

every game is a lesson....lets hope they are learning from them

 

[Chaka]

Something about this team is still just off. Too young and inexperienced, perhaps. Another slate of draft picks and $70 MM in cap should help. Not really sold on Del Rio, however.

I haven't been sold on JDR since the jump but he has gotten the team to play hard and more disciplined than we have seen since 2002.

I didn't have volume on the TV I was watching from (restaurant) but what blows my mind is that JDR didn't challenge the Crabtree catch in the first quarter. The replay was perfectly clear and it was without question a catch. It would have turned a 4th down into a 1st down. Why on earth did he not challenge that? Did they say something on the broadcast that it was not a challengable call? It seemed unconscionably stupid not challenge that call.

 

[Toomuchnv]

Something about this team is still just off. Too young and inexperienced, perhaps. Another slate of draft picks and $70 MM in cap should help. Not really sold on Del Rio, however.

I haven't been sold on JDR since the jump but he has gotten the team to play hard and more disciplined than we have seen since 2002.

I didn't have volume on the TV I was watching from (restaurant) but what blows my mind is that JDR didn't challenge the Crabtree catch in the first quarter. The replay was perfectly clear and it was without question a catch. It would have turned a 4th down into a 1st down. Why on earth did he not challenge that? Did they say something on the broadcast that it was not a challengable call? It seemed unconscionably stupid not challenge that call.

Mike Carey said if they would have challenged it, it would have been overturned to a catch.....clearly coaches are just as confused with the catch rules as everyone else.

 

[Chaka]

Something about this team is still just off. Too young and inexperienced, perhaps. Another slate of draft picks and $70 MM in cap should help. Not really sold on Del Rio, however.

I haven't been sold on JDR since the jump but he has gotten the team to play hard and more disciplined than we have seen since 2002.

I didn't have volume on the TV I was watching from (restaurant) but what blows my mind is that JDR didn't challenge the Crabtree catch in the first quarter. The replay was perfectly clear and it was without question a catch. It would have turned a 4th down into a 1st down. Why on earth did he not challenge that? Did they say something on the broadcast that it was not a challengable call? It seemed unconscionably stupid not challenge that call.

Mike Carey said if they would have challenged it, it would have been overturned to a catch.....clearly coaches are just as confused with the catch rules as everyone else.

So it was challengable and Carey agreed that it should have been challenged?

You can't put an entire game on one play but that one was huge IMO. The Raiders opted to punt rather than take a chance with a challenge that likely would have netted a first down. After the long drives that Det had put together it seemed imperative to at least risk the challenge to give the offense a chance to make some hay and the defense a chance to rest. Huge breakdown in communication with the coaches right there.

 

[kaso]

Something about this team is still just off. Too young and inexperienced, perhaps. Another slate of draft picks and $70 MM in cap should help. Not really sold on Del Rio, however.

I haven't been sold on JDR since the jump but he has gotten the team to play hard and more disciplined than we have seen since 2002.

I didn't have volume on the TV I was watching from (restaurant) but what blows my mind is that JDR didn't challenge the Crabtree catch in the first quarter. The replay was perfectly clear and it was without question a catch. It would have turned a 4th down into a 1st down. Why on earth did he not challenge that? Did they say something on the broadcast that it was not a challengable call? It seemed unconscionably stupid not challenge that call.

Mike Carey said if they would have challenged it, it would have been overturned to a catch.....clearly coaches are just as confused with the catch rules as everyone else.

So it was challengable and Carey agreed that it should have been challenged?

You can't put an entire game on one play but that one was huge IMO. The Raiders opted to punt rather than take a chance with a challenge that likely would have netted a first down. After the long drives that Det had put together it seemed imperative to at least risk the challenge to give the offense a chance to make some hay and the defense a chance to rest. Huge breakdown in communication with the coaches right there.

Yup. Absolutely needed to be challenged. And because it was Oakland's ball they would have had as much time to review it before snapping the ball to punt. Bad move.

The other part that seemed confusing was that the coaching staff missed not one, but two, opportunities to call a time out before a delay of game penalty. On the second one, they showed a reply of the bench and nobody was paying attention to the fact that the play clock was about to expire.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Something about this team is still just off. Too young and inexperienced, perhaps. Another slate of draft picks and $70 MM in cap should help. Not really sold on Del Rio, however.

I haven't been sold on JDR since the jump but he has gotten the team to play hard and more disciplined than we have seen since 2002.

I didn't have volume on the TV I was watching from (restaurant) but what blows my mind is that JDR didn't challenge the Crabtree catch in the first quarter. The replay was perfectly clear and it was without question a catch. It would have turned a 4th down into a 1st down. Why on earth did he not challenge that? Did they say something on the broadcast that it was not a challengable call? It seemed unconscionably stupid not challenge that call.

This. Was skeptical of Del Rio when it was first announced, and he still has a lot to prove but the very fact that he has gotten this team's attitude turned around and focused on winning and improving is enough for me to think he's been a very positive addition.

 

[massraider]

Something about this team is still just off. Too young and inexperienced, perhaps. Another slate of draft picks and $70 MM in cap should help. Not really sold on Del Rio, however.

I haven't seen the game, but yes, the team is young. Need to win some they weren't supposed to tho, and put away a bad team or two.

 

[Toomuchnv]

Something about this team is still just off. Too young and inexperienced, perhaps. Another slate of draft picks and $70 MM in cap should help. Not really sold on Del Rio, however.

I haven't been sold on JDR since the jump but he has gotten the team to play hard and more disciplined than we have seen since 2002.

I didn't have volume on the TV I was watching from (restaurant) but what blows my mind is that JDR didn't challenge the Crabtree catch in the first quarter. The replay was perfectly clear and it was without question a catch. It would have turned a 4th down into a 1st down. Why on earth did he not challenge that? Did they say something on the broadcast that it was not a challengable call? It seemed unconscionably stupid not challenge that call.

Mike Carey said if they would have challenged it, it would have been overturned to a catch.....clearly coaches are just as confused with the catch rules as everyone else.

So it was challengable and Carey agreed that it should have been challenged?

You can't put an entire game on one play but that one was huge IMO. The Raiders opted to punt rather than take a chance with a challenge that likely would have netted a first down. After the long drives that Det had put together it seemed imperative to at least risk the challenge to give the offense a chance to make some hay and the defense a chance to rest. Huge breakdown in communication with the coaches right there.

Correct...it was challengable and Carey believed that had it been challenged it would have been ruled a catch based on the way the catch rules are interpreted.

 

[Chaka]

Something about this team is still just off. Too young and inexperienced, perhaps. Another slate of draft picks and $70 MM in cap should help. Not really sold on Del Rio, however.

I haven't been sold on JDR since the jump but he has gotten the team to play hard and more disciplined than we have seen since 2002.

I didn't have volume on the TV I was watching from (restaurant) but what blows my mind is that JDR didn't challenge the Crabtree catch in the first quarter. The replay was perfectly clear and it was without question a catch. It would have turned a 4th down into a 1st down. Why on earth did he not challenge that? Did they say something on the broadcast that it was not a challengable call? It seemed unconscionably stupid not challenge that call.

Mike Carey said if they would have challenged it, it would have been overturned to a catch.....clearly coaches are just as confused with the catch rules as everyone else.

So it was challengable and Carey agreed that it should have been challenged?

You can't put an entire game on one play but that one was huge IMO. The Raiders opted to punt rather than take a chance with a challenge that likely would have netted a first down. After the long drives that Det had put together it seemed imperative to at least risk the challenge to give the offense a chance to make some hay and the defense a chance to rest. Huge breakdown in communication with the coaches right there.

Correct...it was challengable and Carey believed that had it been challenged it would have been ruled a catch based on the way the catch rules are interpreted.

Seemed like an obvious catch to me. Didn't see one inconclusive angle. Getting the team to play hard and with discipline is one great but not making that challenge was just terrible game day management.

Anyone think Belichick would not have made that challenge?

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Boy, look at the rats fleeing the sinking ship! LOL.

I think some are making too big a deal of that no catch call. Keep in mind that the Raiders came back to take the lead in the 3rd quarter. I was very disappointed with the outcome yesterday but we have to remember this team is very young and still learning to win. The Raiders are competitive in every game. It is a process.

I expect a bounce back this week.

 

[Chaka]

Boy, look at the rats fleeing the sinking ship! LOL.

I think some are making too big a deal of that no catch call. Keep in mind that the Raiders came back to take the lead in the 3rd quarter. I was very disappointed with the outcome yesterday but we have to remember this team is very young and still learning to win. The Raiders are competitive in every game. It is a process.

I expect a bounce back this week.

Who is fleeing the ship? Maybe you are not speaking to me (but I am the one railing on the missed challenge) but I have consistently been trying to keep an even keel in here. I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

I have said that I think JDR is good for the franchise to help change the team attitude and instill discipline but I have also said that I don't think he is the coach to put them over the top (I would have said the same about Bill Belichick in 2000 and been very wrong).

Regarding last week specifically however, while it never comes down to just one play mistakes do build upon themselves. Not making that challenge was a significant mistake that a better coached coaching staff does not make.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

So those of us who wanted Reggie's head for consistent 4 win seasons needed to tap the breaks, and the those defending Reggie now are ok with a high draft pick now? Pick your side. Even keel isn't a position. Unless you are happy being consistently 8-8 and out of the playoff picture.

 

[Chaka]

I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

So those of us who wanted Reggie's head for consistent 4 win seasons needed to tap the breaks, and the those defending Reggie now are ok with a high draft pick now? Pick your side. Even keel isn't a position. Unless you are happy being consistently 8-8 and out of the playoff picture.

I can think Reggie is doing a good job and hope for the most talented player possible. Those two are not at cross purposes.

Do you think a top OL or DB talent is something that would be a tremendous benefit to this roster?

 

[FreshiZ]

We're in the conversation for the playoffs and have 70mil in cap space next year. This is the best shape the franchise has been in since who knows when. Reggie has done his job and more to come.

 

[LawFitz]

I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

So those of us who wanted Reggie's head for consistent 4 win seasons needed to tap the breaks, and the those defending Reggie now are ok with a high draft pick now? Pick your side. Even keel isn't a position. Unless you are happy being consistently 8-8 and out of the playoff picture.

Not everything is black and white. It is possible to be balanced and give credit to Reggie for his wins (roster turnover, cap management) and his losses (coaching choices - Allen; JDR was Davis' call, I believe).

 

[DocHolliday]

I do not see anyone on here jumping ship either. Most of us have been fans for the last miserable decade +. We would be crazy to jump ship now. There is a spark of life in this team. Things are looking up. The Raiders are not winning the SB next season but the playoffs are possible.

The O is flat Something needs to be done to get things exciting. The Raiders should go no huddle or at least try a fast pace. The Raiders also have to get the ball in the hands of their playmakers like Murray and Cooper more. Cooper only targeted 4 times last game was stupid. Maybe JDR is OK but the OC needs changed in the off season. Seems like he was doing ok though.

 

[ICON211]

I still think the playoffs are within reach this year. One game out right now. I would also rather make the playoffs, fully not expecting a playoff win, and be fine sliding down a few spots in the draft. There will be enough good players to choose from no matter where they pick, it's all about talent evaluation and picking the right one.

 

[Toomuchnv]

I do not see anyone on here jumping ship either. Most of us have been fans for the last miserable decade +. We would be crazy to jump ship now. There is a spark of life in this team. Things are looking up. The Raiders are not winning the SB next season but the playoffs are possible.

The O is flat Something needs to be done to get things exciting. The Raiders should go no huddle or at least try a fast pace. The Raiders also have to get the ball in the hands of their playmakers like Murray and Cooper more. Cooper only targeted 4 times last game was stupid. Maybe JDR is OK but the OC needs changed in the off season. Seems like he was doing ok though.

I don't think the O is flat....they currently are just pressured to play perfect on every offensive possession or face sitting on the sidelines for half a quarter because the defense can't make a play to get off the field. The last 7 minutes of the game watching Detroit just run the entire clock out was rather irritating and shows how much help this current team needs on the defensive side.

 

[RaiderBones]

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt 2h2 hours ago
DBs w/ highest burn %

Hayden 68%
Tr.Johnson 66%
Maxwell 66%
A.Blake 65%
M.Jenkins 65%
B.Browner 64%
J.Taylor 64%
N.Carroll 61%
X.Rhodes 60%

 

[Bruno2]

Nobody's jumping ship. The D is struggling big time. Seems like they do great for the most part on 1st and 2nd down, then on 3rd down, give up a big chunk of yards. It's frustrating to watch. I now leave the room on 3rd downs...

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Boy, look at the rats fleeing the sinking ship! LOL.

I think some are making too big a deal of that no catch call. Keep in mind that the Raiders came back to take the lead in the 3rd quarter. I was very disappointed with the outcome yesterday but we have to remember this team is very young and still learning to win. The Raiders are competitive in every game. It is a process.

I expect a bounce back this week.

Who is fleeing the ship? Maybe you are not speaking to me (but I am the one railing on the missed challenge) but I have consistently been trying to keep an even keel in here. I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

I have said that I think JDR is good for the franchise to help change the team attitude and instill discipline but I have also said that I don't think he is the coach to put them over the top (I would have said the same about Bill Belichick in 2000 and been very wrong).

Regarding last week specifically however, while it never comes down to just one play mistakes do build upon themselves. Not making that challenge was a significant mistake that a better coached coaching staff does not make.

Yea, I was guilty of generalizing about the negative posts.

I understand the frustration, but we have to be realistic about the Raider's prospects this season. They are not a playoff contender, but they are more competitive. With exception of the Bengals game they have been in every game until deep in the fourth quarter.

As far as the challenge, I maintain it wasn't the key play to the game. First, I think Carrey's track record is pretty dubious in predicting challenges. That play looked very similar to CalJo's non catch a few seasons back, so it isn't a complete certainty that it would have been overturned. Second, those thinking that overturning that call would have led to a score are reaching. The offense was clearly out of sync the first half. It is far more likely that the Raiders would have still punted on that drive. Finally, the play clearly didn't have that much effect on the Raiders because they took the led in the second half. I could pick any of a dozen plays after they held the lead that were more of a key to the outcome.

 

[massraider]

I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

So those of us who wanted Reggie's head for consistent 4 win seasons needed to tap the breaks, and the those defending Reggie now are ok with a high draft pick now? Pick your side. Even keel isn't a position. Unless you are happy being consistently 8-8 and out of the playoff picture.

Going 8-8 this year, doubling our win total, is a step in the right direction. Being happy with that isn't the same as settling for mediocrity.

Would you rather the team win, or would you prefer them to fail, so you can claim victory on McKenzie? Serious question.

 

[Chaka]

Boy, look at the rats fleeing the sinking ship! LOL.

I think some are making too big a deal of that no catch call. Keep in mind that the Raiders came back to take the lead in the 3rd quarter. I was very disappointed with the outcome yesterday but we have to remember this team is very young and still learning to win. The Raiders are competitive in every game. It is a process.

I expect a bounce back this week.

Who is fleeing the ship? Maybe you are not speaking to me (but I am the one railing on the missed challenge) but I have consistently been trying to keep an even keel in here. I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

I have said that I think JDR is good for the franchise to help change the team attitude and instill discipline but I have also said that I don't think he is the coach to put them over the top (I would have said the same about Bill Belichick in 2000 and been very wrong).

Regarding last week specifically however, while it never comes down to just one play mistakes do build upon themselves. Not making that challenge was a significant mistake that a better coached coaching staff does not make.

Yea, I was guilty of generalizing about the negative posts.

I understand the frustration, but we have to be realistic about the Raider's prospects this season. They are not a playoff contender, but they are more competitive. With exception of the Bengals game they have been in every game until deep in the fourth quarter.

As far as the challenge, I maintain it wasn't the key play to the game. First, I think Carrey's track record is pretty dubious in predicting challenges. That play looked very similar to CalJo's non catch a few seasons back, so it isn't a complete certainty that it would have been overturned. Second, those thinking that overturning that call would have led to a score are reaching. The offense was clearly out of sync the first half. It is far more likely that the Raiders would have still punted on that drive. Finally, the play clearly didn't have that much effect on the Raiders because they took the led in the second half. I could pick any of a dozen plays after they held the lead that were more of a key to the outcome.

I didn't mean to suggest that an overturned challenge would have led to a score but it would have led to an opportunity to score. I didn't have audio but there was nothing unclear about that catch. Never bobbled it, three tip-toe steps. And even if it wasn't overturned it should have been challenged rather than concede and give them the ball again. More importantly it would have kept the defense off the field a little longer; at that point in the game the Lions had the ball for about 13 minutes compared to about 6 for the Raiders. If it was a second down play then, fine, I guess I could see taking the chance but as it stood it conceded possession which was compounded by the fact that the Raiders went into the half with two unused timeouts.

Just bad in game decision making by JDR and the staff.

 

[Bruno2]

Finally! Ray Ray has been released!

 

[Chaka]

Finally! Ray Ray has been released!

Yeah, that feels like a good move. Guy had some physical ability, and someone will sign him, but he seemed very out of control on the field and kinda like a knucklehead off the field. Although to his credit aside from that bizarre police dog thing he didn't get into trouble that I am aware of.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

I wasn't expecting to be in the playoff mix this deep into the season.

Thing that to me would show signs of improvement for this season were:

Winning games 1pm east coast games

Being competitive in the majority of games

Winning games we are favored in and games coming out of the byes

Win an upset or 2

We crapped the bed at home in the 1st game (to what turned out to be a very strong team.

We won a game on the east coast. Could have easily been 4 wins. Got stung by a surprising healthy Cutler and rejuvenated lions team. Went toe to toe with Pit.

We seem to run into teams as they are heating up

I would have loved to see back to back wins in 1pm games but if we can beat Ten this week it will suffice

O looks good most of the time. D gets plenty of pressure on the QB but need to convert that pressure into stops sacks n turnovers more

 

[Chaka]

I wasn't expecting to be in the playoff mix this deep into the season.

Thing that to me would show signs of improvement for this season were:

Winning games 1pm east coast games

Being competitive in the majority of games

Winning games we are favored in and games coming out of the byes

Win an upset or 2

We crapped the bed at home in the 1st game (to what turned out to be a very strong team.

We won a game on the east coast. Could have easily been 4 wins. Got stung by a surprising healthy Cutler and rejuvenated lions team. Went toe to toe with Pit.

We seem to run into teams as they are heating up

I would have loved to see back to back wins in 1pm games but if we can beat Ten this week it will suffice

O looks good most of the time. D gets plenty of pressure on the QB but need to convert that pressure into stops sacks n turnovers more

Appreciate this analysis a great deal but I am just not seeing the bolded. They are better than last year but I was expecting more, from Mack in particular.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

I wasn't expecting to be in the playoff mix this deep into the season.

Thing that to me would show signs of improvement for this season were:

Winning games 1pm east coast games

Being competitive in the majority of games

Winning games we are favored in and games coming out of the byes

Win an upset or 2

We crapped the bed at home in the 1st game (to what turned out to be a very strong team.

We won a game on the east coast. Could have easily been 4 wins. Got stung by a surprising healthy Cutler and rejuvenated lions team. Went toe to toe with Pit.

We seem to run into teams as they are heating up

I would have loved to see back to back wins in 1pm games but if we can beat Ten this week it will suffice

O looks good most of the time. D gets plenty of pressure on the QB but need to convert that pressure into stops sacks n turnovers more

Appreciate this analysis a great deal but I am just not seeing the bolded. They are better than last year but I was expecting more, from Mack in particular.

Fair point i have not watched all the games this year. Might have been the Vikes game where Mack and Smith where around the QB but never finishing things off or have other do it for them. For what its worth PFF has Mack graded as the 2nd best edge rusher at this point in the year

 

[kaso]

I wasn't expecting to be in the playoff mix this deep into the season.

Thing that to me would show signs of improvement for this season were:

Winning games 1pm east coast games

Being competitive in the majority of games

Winning games we are favored in and games coming out of the byes

Win an upset or 2

We crapped the bed at home in the 1st game (to what turned out to be a very strong team.

We won a game on the east coast. Could have easily been 4 wins. Got stung by a surprising healthy Cutler and rejuvenated lions team. Went toe to toe with Pit.

We seem to run into teams as they are heating up

I would have loved to see back to back wins in 1pm games but if we can beat Ten this week it will suffice

O looks good most of the time. D gets plenty of pressure on the QB but need to convert that pressure into stops sacks n turnovers more

Appreciate this analysis a great deal but I am just not seeing the bolded. They are better than last year but I was expecting more, from Mack in particular.

Fair point i have not watched all the games this year. Might have been the Vikes game where Mack and Smith where around the QB but never finishing things off or have other do it for them. For what its worth PFF has Mack graded as the 2nd best edge rusher at this point in the year

I think the sacks will come when the corners/secondary start to improve. The pressure is there, but most QBs are able to get rid of the ball so quickly that the pressure is nullified.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

So those of us who wanted Reggie's head for consistent 4 win seasons needed to tap the breaks, and the those defending Reggie now are ok with a high draft pick now? Pick your side. Even keel isn't a position. Unless you are happy being consistently 8-8 and out of the playoff picture.

Going 8-8 this year, doubling our win total, is a step in the right direction. Being happy with that isn't the same as settling for mediocrity.

Would you rather the team win, or would you prefer them to fail, so you can claim victory on McKenzie? Serious question.

LOL at some personal victory over McKenzie. I think you know the answer. I want the Raiders to win.

I don't believe McKenzie has a sustainable long term plan. I think most times he throws #### up against the wall and sees what sticks. I don't see some level of a 3 year or 5 year plan that is discernible at any level, (50,000 feet or ground level). I am happy that we got an NFL quality HC in Jack Del Rio, and my jury is still out on his coordinators. I understand there will still be growing pains and that we are not a playoff quality team this year. But every year, McKenzie continues to ignore our secondary. And C-Wood isn't going to be around forever to bail us out. The roster was improved this year thanks to McKenzie's draft and some key free agent moves. But it remains paper thin. Whatever good that he's done to improve the roster, it still ranks as an incomplete grade at best. We ran out of gas because of attrition, and that happens to every team. But the contenders have a plan B in place always and Reggie seems content to show modest gains. And I think Mark is content with that too, which upsets me because it could be so much more than what we're seeing now. I don't want to see Carr and Cooper's prime years wasted on mediocre management plans.

 

[Chaka]

I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

So those of us who wanted Reggie's head for consistent 4 win seasons needed to tap the breaks, and the those defending Reggie now are ok with a high draft pick now? Pick your side. Even keel isn't a position. Unless you are happy being consistently 8-8 and out of the playoff picture.

Going 8-8 this year, doubling our win total, is a step in the right direction. Being happy with that isn't the same as settling for mediocrity.

Would you rather the team win, or would you prefer them to fail, so you can claim victory on McKenzie? Serious question.

LOL at some personal victory over McKenzie. I think you know the answer. I want the Raiders to win.

I don't believe McKenzie has a sustainable long term plan. I think most times he throws #### up against the wall and sees what sticks. I don't see some level of a 3 year or 5 year plan that is discernible at any level, (50,000 feet or ground level). I am happy that we got an NFL quality HC in Jack Del Rio, and my jury is still out on his coordinators. I understand there will still be growing pains and that we are not a playoff quality team this year. But every year, McKenzie continues to ignore our secondary. And C-Wood isn't going to be around forever to bail us out. The roster was improved this year thanks to McKenzie's draft and some key free agent moves. But it remains paper thin. Whatever good that he's done to improve the roster, it still ranks as an incomplete grade at best. We ran out of gas because of attrition, and that happens to every team. But the contenders have a plan B in place always and Reggie seems content to show modest gains. And I think Mark is content with that too, which upsets me because it could be so much more than what we're seeing now. I don't want to see Carr and Cooper's prime years wasted on mediocre management plans.

How fast exactly were you expecting him to be able to turn this franchise around? He came into a team with the worst roster and the worst cap situation in the league and look where they are barely three years later. For goodness sake they are actually on the fringe of being a playoff contender. They have more depth than they have in years.

How would you have done things differently?

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

So those of us who wanted Reggie's head for consistent 4 win seasons needed to tap the breaks, and the those defending Reggie now are ok with a high draft pick now? Pick your side. Even keel isn't a position. Unless you are happy being consistently 8-8 and out of the playoff picture.

Going 8-8 this year, doubling our win total, is a step in the right direction. Being happy with that isn't the same as settling for mediocrity.

Would you rather the team win, or would you prefer them to fail, so you can claim victory on McKenzie? Serious question.

LOL at some personal victory over McKenzie. I think you know the answer. I want the Raiders to win.

I don't believe McKenzie has a sustainable long term plan. I think most times he throws #### up against the wall and sees what sticks. I don't see some level of a 3 year or 5 year plan that is discernible at any level, (50,000 feet or ground level). I am happy that we got an NFL quality HC in Jack Del Rio, and my jury is still out on his coordinators. I understand there will still be growing pains and that we are not a playoff quality team this year. But every year, McKenzie continues to ignore our secondary. And C-Wood isn't going to be around forever to bail us out. The roster was improved this year thanks to McKenzie's draft and some key free agent moves. But it remains paper thin. Whatever good that he's done to improve the roster, it still ranks as an incomplete grade at best. We ran out of gas because of attrition, and that happens to every team. But the contenders have a plan B in place always and Reggie seems content to show modest gains. And I think Mark is content with that too, which upsets me because it could be so much more than what we're seeing now. I don't want to see Carr and Cooper's prime years wasted on mediocre management plans.

Really? His first pick as a GM was a CB. Granted Hayden was over drafted, but that act in itself contradicts your assertion. Picking a DB at the top end of the two draft would have meant passing on Mack, Carr and Coop. Is that really the position you want to take?

 

[Bruno2]

I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

So those of us who wanted Reggie's head for consistent 4 win seasons needed to tap the breaks, and the those defending Reggie now are ok with a high draft pick now? Pick your side. Even keel isn't a position. Unless you are happy being consistently 8-8 and out of the playoff picture.

Going 8-8 this year, doubling our win total, is a step in the right direction. Being happy with that isn't the same as settling for mediocrity.Would you rather the team win, or would you prefer them to fail, so you can claim victory on McKenzie? Serious question.

LOL at some personal victory over McKenzie. I think you know the answer. I want the Raiders to win.

I don't believe McKenzie has a sustainable long term plan. I think most times he throws #### up against the wall and sees what sticks. I don't see some level of a 3 year or 5 year plan that is discernible at any level, (50,000 feet or ground level). I am happy that we got an NFL quality HC in Jack Del Rio, and my jury is still out on his coordinators. I understand there will still be growing pains and that we are not a playoff quality team this year. But every year, McKenzie continues to ignore our secondary. And C-Wood isn't going to be around forever to bail us out. The roster was improved this year thanks to McKenzie's draft and some key free agent moves. But it remains paper thin. Whatever good that he's done to improve the roster, it still ranks as an incomplete grade at best. We ran out of gas because of attrition, and that happens to every team. But the contenders have a plan B in place always and Reggie seems content to show modest gains. And I think Mark is content with that too, which upsets me because it could be so much more than what we're seeing now. I don't want to see Carr and Cooper's prime years wasted on mediocre management plans.

Really? His first pick as a GM was a CB. Granted Hayden was over drafted, but that act in itself contradicts your assertion. Picking a DB at the top end of the two draft would have meant passing on Mack, Carr and Coop. Is that really the position you want to take?

I tend to agree here. While I think Hayden will end up being an average DB at best, I really think Reggie went with the right position. What were his choices? Dee Miliner, Dion Jordan @3, Star, Shariff Floyd. Sheldon Richardson would've been the pick hindsight being 20/20. I think Reggie has done a good job so far. The only thing that frustrated me was the handling of the QB situation pre Carr.

 

[kaso]

I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

So those of us who wanted Reggie's head for consistent 4 win seasons needed to tap the breaks, and the those defending Reggie now are ok with a high draft pick now? Pick your side. Even keel isn't a position. Unless you are happy being consistently 8-8 and out of the playoff picture.

Going 8-8 this year, doubling our win total, is a step in the right direction. Being happy with that isn't the same as settling for mediocrity.

Would you rather the team win, or would you prefer them to fail, so you can claim victory on McKenzie? Serious question.

LOL at some personal victory over McKenzie. I think you know the answer. I want the Raiders to win.

I don't believe McKenzie has a sustainable long term plan. I think most times he throws #### up against the wall and sees what sticks. I don't see some level of a 3 year or 5 year plan that is discernible at any level, (50,000 feet or ground level). I am happy that we got an NFL quality HC in Jack Del Rio, and my jury is still out on his coordinators. I understand there will still be growing pains and that we are not a playoff quality team this year. But every year, McKenzie continues to ignore our secondary. And C-Wood isn't going to be around forever to bail us out. The roster was improved this year thanks to McKenzie's draft and some key free agent moves. But it remains paper thin. Whatever good that he's done to improve the roster, it still ranks as an incomplete grade at best. We ran out of gas because of attrition, and that happens to every team. But the contenders have a plan B in place always and Reggie seems content to show modest gains. And I think Mark is content with that too, which upsets me because it could be so much more than what we're seeing now. I don't want to see Carr and Cooper's prime years wasted on mediocre management plans.

The confusing part for me is that Reggie seemingly gets blamed for what he didn't do. But a lot of what he didn't do has far more to do with what available to him - meaning ... he didn't have cap room when he got here, he had limited draft picks in his first draft, and he cannot control what talent is available in the FA market. What he has done has been done so using the resources available to him, and has lined up Oakland for proper growth in future years to come. Far more than anything we saw during the later years of the Al Davis GM/Owner Era.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

I was telling the people calling for Reggie's head in July to be patient and telling the ones contemplating playoffs in October to tap the breaks. In September I said an 8-8 season would be a win and I stand by that. And while I certainly don't want them to keep losing they are still far enough away from being a consistent playoff team that, yeah, the higher the draft pick the better (best CB, S or OL on the board).

So those of us who wanted Reggie's head for consistent 4 win seasons needed to tap the breaks, and the those defending Reggie now are ok with a high draft pick now? Pick your side. Even keel isn't a position. Unless you are happy being consistently 8-8 and out of the playoff picture.

Going 8-8 this year, doubling our win total, is a step in the right direction. Being happy with that isn't the same as settling for mediocrity.

Would you rather the team win, or would you prefer them to fail, so you can claim victory on McKenzie? Serious question.

LOL at some personal victory over McKenzie. I think you know the answer. I want the Raiders to win.

I don't believe McKenzie has a sustainable long term plan. I think most times he throws #### up against the wall and sees what sticks. I don't see some level of a 3 year or 5 year plan that is discernible at any level, (50,000 feet or ground level). I am happy that we got an NFL quality HC in Jack Del Rio, and my jury is still out on his coordinators. I understand there will still be growing pains and that we are not a playoff quality team this year. But every year, McKenzie continues to ignore our secondary. And C-Wood isn't going to be around forever to bail us out. The roster was improved this year thanks to McKenzie's draft and some key free agent moves. But it remains paper thin. Whatever good that he's done to improve the roster, it still ranks as an incomplete grade at best. We ran out of gas because of attrition, and that happens to every team. But the contenders have a plan B in place always and Reggie seems content to show modest gains. And I think Mark is content with that too, which upsets me because it could be so much more than what we're seeing now. I don't want to see Carr and Cooper's prime years wasted on mediocre management plans.

Really? His first pick as a GM was a CB. Granted Hayden was over drafted, but that act in itself contradicts your assertion. Picking a DB at the top end of the two draft would have meant passing on Mack, Carr and Coop. Is that really the position you want to take?

He picked Carrie too correct? While not s high capital investment he was a great pick

 

[LawFitz]

Raiderfan32904 seems like a nice guy, but he's been biased against Reggie for years now.

 

[FreshiZ]

I don't get the Reggie hate. He's gotten the team in a good position and doesn't spend FA money like a drunken sailor. We're primed for a big offseason this year and we now have a team that people will want to play for. I'm expecting to have a pretty solid roster on paper next year.