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2015 Oakland Raiders Thread (2 Viewers)
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cstu
Footballguy
I expect Mariota to have a better career than Carr, but you're right that's it's not something they can do.
Carr had a strange rookie year - decent comp% and TD's, but very low Y/A (lowest in fact of QB's who completed 55+% of their passes).
Here's the best comp for him:
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Year Age Draft Tm Lg G GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Y/A Yds AY/A ANY/A Y/G W L TDerek Carr 2014 23 2-36 OAK NFL 16 16 348 599 58.10 3270 21 12 76.6 24 5.46 149 5.26 4.82 204.4 3 13 0Sam Bradford 2010 23 1-1 STL NFL 16 16 354 590 60.00 3512 18 15 76.5 34 5.95 244 5.42 4.73 219.5 7 9 0
massraider
Footballguy
It appears as though the Bears are going to play Houston at OLB in their 3-4. For a guy that played some DT in college, that's pretty interesting. I have a tough time seeing that working long term. Slimming down and gaining quickness seems like a priority, but he's healing a torn ACL , how much can he be doing now?
Houston is going to be like a Glenn Dorsey, neither ever got to play 3-tech in a 4-3, their true position.
Houston is going to be like a Glenn Dorsey, neither ever got to play 3-tech in a 4-3, their true position.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
The Bear D is going to be extra horrible this year. On the other side of Houston you will have Jared Allen trying to transition to OLB as well. Square pegs into round holes.
ICON211
Footballguy
Antonio Smith - DL - Free Agent
Raiders released DL Antonio Smith.
The move clears $4 million in cap space, which, of course, the Raiders don't need. Going on 34, Smith was heading into the second season of a two-year deal. Smith started all 16 games last season, but was a nonentity. He generated just three sacks in 791 snaps, and struggled mightily against the run. Smith's durability and scheme versatility — he played tackle in 2014, but has extensive experience at end — should earn him a market despite his age and underwhelming Oakland "tenure." The Raiders' 2014 free-agent class is shaping up as one of the worst of all time.
Uh, Why? I don't think he is great by any stretch, but I thought he could contribute as part of the DL rotation
Raiders released DL Antonio Smith.
The move clears $4 million in cap space, which, of course, the Raiders don't need. Going on 34, Smith was heading into the second season of a two-year deal. Smith started all 16 games last season, but was a nonentity. He generated just three sacks in 791 snaps, and struggled mightily against the run. Smith's durability and scheme versatility — he played tackle in 2014, but has extensive experience at end — should earn him a market despite his age and underwhelming Oakland "tenure." The Raiders' 2014 free-agent class is shaping up as one of the worst of all time.
Uh, Why? I don't think he is great by any stretch, but I thought he could contribute as part of the DL rotation
massraider
Footballguy
Obviously because he would be taking valuable snaps from Leo WIlliams, bay-beeeee!!!!!!!!
ICON211
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
I'd be pretty happy with Leo or Cooper, but part of me is thinking there's going to be some nice WRs at the top of the 2nd round. I could see a situation where we are all wondering in here if we'd have been better off with a lineman in the first, and WR X in the 2nd.
LawFitz
Footballguy
If Williams is gone, I'd like to see a trade back to between picks 8-12 and then take whoever falls between Cooper or White. If both are gone at that point, take best available defender, or trade down again.
More picks, please!!
ICON211
Footballguy
That's what I am hoping right now. I would like to take Williams or Fowler at 4 and a WR in the second round.
massraider
Footballguy
I'd be on board with that. Cleveland's two 1st rounders work nicely. But honestly, I wonder if asking for their 1st, 2nd and 3rd wouldn't be better. The guys ranked 15-25 are about the same quality as the guys ranked 25-50.
If Williams is there, tho, I don't want to trade down and take a WR. McKenzie said last year all discussions ended when Mack was available, and we have seen why. There's no other player even that's even similar to Leo in this draft.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I wouldn't hold my breath on anyone counting on Cleveland moving-up for QB Marcus Mariota.
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PatMcManamon @PatMcManamon · Mar 24
Pettine, asked if he rolls his eyes at talk
massraider
Footballguy
Did they ask Ray Farmer the same question?
massraider
Footballguy
Maybe. Definitive draft statements a month before the draft usually wind up looking stupid.
If all the stuff everyone 'knew' before the draft was true, then everyone's mocks wouldn't be so wildly inaccurate.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
They are on the same page.
The context was that someone asked about the Browns possibly trading up for Mariota in a previous question and I guess the beat writers picked up that he rolled his eyes in disgust so he was asked if he rolled his eyes a lot or something like that and he answered with that quote.
This guy is notorious for telling the truth. He basically let out some confidential information on the Browns top pick of last year, CB Justin Gilbert when he said something like he (Gilbert) was dealing with a serious issue off-field. That was something no one in the media knew about and it lead to some spurious speculation by some fans. We still don't know what issue he had but later on Pettine came out and said he should not have said that because it was a very-personal matter and the media should respect Justin's privacy.
This looks like another slip-up by Pettine IMHO. Many folks covering the Browns are convinced they aren't moving up for anyone.
massraider
Footballguy
I actually think the Rams make more sense.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Hey, you need to do a re-pick in the glacial mock draft. Come on, hubba-hubba, chop-chop, lets go.
massraider
Footballguy
I am kind of intrigued by Mariota's story pre-draft.
All the Philly talk, which really wasn't rooted in any kind of reality, sort of distracted everyone from trying to figure out where he is actually going to go.
I keep thinking we should be hearing about Tennessee being open for business, if they were.
All the Philly talk, which really wasn't rooted in any kind of reality, sort of distracted everyone from trying to figure out where he is actually going to go.
I keep thinking we should be hearing about Tennessee being open for business, if they were.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I honestly don't think he goes in the top-ten and can see a slide past Cleveland's #12 pick possibly all the way down into Chip's hand with the #20 pick.
Browns new QB coach worked with him prior to the combine. He knows him inside-out. Browns haven't even scheduled a private workout with him.
Here's another tell. Last year everyone was talking about Johnny and Teddy going in the top-ten and neither did. The guy who was consistently rated in the top-ten was Teddy but he sorta panned his interviews with teams. Word was he didn't sell leadership very-well and wasn't Pettine's sorta guy. He wanted a brash guy, like Johnny but not worth a top-ten pick, he eventually went #22.
Well Marcus is giving off the same sorta of whishy-washy milk toast leader vibe on top of other questions about his game. Its not just the system he comes from he has issues with technique when he has to go deep into his progressions where he loses his footwork and then his accuracy falters. I'm not about to break down his entire game but trust me, lots of questions about the kid. Definite project, whoever takes him won't know what they got for at least a year and probably more.
I mean even if guys do eventually build up their game, see the kid from Miami who is still progressing, or take a look at how long it took Brees to put it together where the Bolts had to take another QB in the top-ten and ditch Drew because he only on the brink of putting it together before they bailed on him. I see a project in Mariota, provided he ever does put it all together.
I don't see anyone selling the farm to move-up for him but if he drops Philly might move-up for a reasonable amount. Key is if he falls and I think he will.
And just look last year and both Johnny and Teddy to see how it can happen even if no one believes it now.
Chaka
Footballguy
That means nothing. They don't need a private workout because, like you said, their QB coach knows everything they need to know.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
You are right but their seems to be a lot more deceptive interest in Mariota by teams who really don't have a need and are feigning interest. Same thing happened last year with Johnny and Teddy. Go check what teams picking high in the draft were saying about them, giving glowing endorsements and saying how much they like them making everyone think they really wanted them but it was hogwash.
They were trying to build interest to force a trade.
massraider
Footballguy
I much prefer Winston as a passer, no doubt.
I just have a hard time wrapping my head around a prospect this clean, with his tools, not getting a lot of play. Teddy was a good example last year, that was shocking.
I think my stance has more to do with the combo of him most likely being the only QB available after pick #1 that's worth a darn, and the many potential landing spots with need and trade ammo.
I think it all happens in the top 10, because I think the TItans, Jags, Raiders would all be willing to listen to trades, but don't want to lose out on a top 15 player. Pretty big tier at the top, it seems.
massraider
Footballguy
Which is what I think happens.
I have to believe that Whisenhunt thinks he can win quick with a mobile QB.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I don't think he's worth trading-up for and that Tennessee isn't really interested.
Gosh I really don't want to break his game down but here's the deal. I want to like the kid. I want to but he scares me when I broke down his game. I'm not seeing anything great other than his scrambling ability that I rate as top notch. He has good size but other than that what has he got that is outstanding? I see lots of questions.
Real quick.
- No playbook
- No pro set
- offense isn't just a spread its a hyper paced gimmick offense based off of gassing defenders and forcing them to expose their coverages where the QB makes a quick read to the soft side coverage and faces virtually no pass rush later in the game after the offense has gassed the pass rushers.
Ahh and I could but I won't go into detail on other finer aspects.
The thing is that the media gets fooled by QB values too often where they are convinced a guy is going to go higher than where he does. Happens a lot in the first round. Media reports their speculation as fact, fans buy-in to it and it loops back around to local beat writers who are absolutely convinced their team HAS to trade-up or they lose the best QB prospect since Jonny Unitas.
I used to buy into that stuff so I started taking a different stance the last few years. I knew Johnny was a reach in the top-ten and I also felt Teddy would fall. This year I'm simply not seeing Mariota going in the top ten. I just don't see it. I have no idea where he'll go but I don't see a top-ten QB prospect.
Chaka
Footballguy
Mariota has visited the Jets, Bucs, Titans, Chargers & Washington.
Four of those pick in the top 6 and you can easily argue that they all have a need at QB (anyone really think Gruden is sold on RGIII?).
With Rivers not willing to sign a contract extension, or so he says, it makes sense that the Chargers would explore options.
And have there been a huge number glowing endorsements of Mariota (more than Winston)?
I have no idea where Mariota will go but this doesn't feel like last year at all.
msommer
Footballguy
ICON211
Footballguy
1 Winston - Looking like a slam dunk that he goes 1 to Tampa
2 Mariota - Either Ten or a trade up
3 Fowler - it's not crazy to think the Jags could have a higher grade on him or another player over Williams
That scenario is not completely out of the question. As long as the QBs go 1-2 I think there is a chance Williams makes it to 4.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
And if so, Fowler is a strong consolation prize. One could argue it's a better fit, outside pressure is the biggest defensive need anyway. I'd rather have Williams, but only because he's so dominant, and wouldn't at all cry over getting Fowler. Any scenario where it goes QB/QB is good, and if Williams and Fowler are both gone, I say trade out at any cost. Cooper is great, but we can get a really good WR in the 2nd so trade down, take BPA defense in the new spot, and take Perriman/Strong/Algohor at 35.ICON211 said:
Chaka
Footballguy
Doesn't Fowler best project to a 3-4 OLB?
Oak is a base 4-3 and I don't think that's changing with JDR and Kenny Norton Jr. I think Jax runs a 4-3 primarily as well.
I would think the hope would be a team running a 3-4 would trade up to get Fowler but I think most agree that it is more likely to see a trade up for Williams.
Oak is a base 4-3 and I don't think that's changing with JDR and Kenny Norton Jr. I think Jax runs a 4-3 primarily as well.
I would think the hope would be a team running a 3-4 would trade up to get Fowler but I think most agree that it is more likely to see a trade up for Williams.
massraider
Footballguy
Jacksonville runs a D that can only be described as multiple, but they employ a Leo, which Fowler fits pretty well.
Article last year on their defense:
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/5/22/5741638/explaining-46-defense-jaguars-otto-linebacker
I wouldn't count out Vic Beasley either.
Article last year on their defense:
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/5/22/5741638/explaining-46-defense-jaguars-otto-linebacker
I wouldn't count out Vic Beasley either.
Chaka
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I can't see that happening unless we trade up and MacKenzie won't trade up. I would not read into Antonio Smith being let ago as anything other than they simply don't think he can contribute anything as he didn't really contribute much at all last year and is just another year older now. Might as well bring in an undrafted FA to go after that roster spot.ICON211 said:
Chaka
Footballguy
I wonder how much it would cost to move up from 4 to 3 (if Winston and Mariota go 1-2) or 4 to 2 if Oak really wanted to guarantee landing Williams.
But I agree that I don't see it happening.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
I would be shocked if Reggie tried to move up in the draft. It would be the polar opposite of what he preaches. I also would be very surprised if they do not pick a WR with their first pick. Carr's development is very fragile at this point and he needs playmakers around me. Carr's development is also the key to Reggie holding his job as well as putting butts in the seat. Granted this draft appears deep at WR, but there is a clear drop off in talent after Cooper and White.
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kaso
Footballguy
I'm likely in the minority with this line of thinking, but I really don't think Reggie is a.) close to being canned, or b.) going to be playing out a strategy that is a last ditch effort to keep his job.
All that has been reported on this being Reggie's last chance is speculation. I don't recall reading anything or seeing anything reported with any weight behind it that shows that Reggie needs to save his job. I think Davis knows full well that the turn around is going to take more than signing the 'best' FA (that was never really available), or knocking another draft out of the park. It's going to take time. And I think he will give that to Reggie. I'm sure that Reggie has been able to explain to Davis what the short term and long term plans are, and why the will work.
With the Reggie speak out of the way, looking at what he has done with the Raiders to date, we likely have a good idea of what will come in these years draft.
A. Taking the best player available.
B. A willingness to move back and acquire more picks.
C. Passing on any players who seem to have an off field issue or risk to them.
D. Be involved in trades for current players.
E. Show patience, and stick to the plan.
All that has been reported on this being Reggie's last chance is speculation. I don't recall reading anything or seeing anything reported with any weight behind it that shows that Reggie needs to save his job. I think Davis knows full well that the turn around is going to take more than signing the 'best' FA (that was never really available), or knocking another draft out of the park. It's going to take time. And I think he will give that to Reggie. I'm sure that Reggie has been able to explain to Davis what the short term and long term plans are, and why the will work.
With the Reggie speak out of the way, looking at what he has done with the Raiders to date, we likely have a good idea of what will come in these years draft.
A. Taking the best player available.
B. A willingness to move back and acquire more picks.
C. Passing on any players who seem to have an off field issue or risk to them.
D. Be involved in trades for current players.
E. Show patience, and stick to the plan.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
One correction, Reggie has shown a willingness to take a chance on players with character issues later in the draft. Shelby Harris and Stacy McGee are two examples.
massraider
Footballguy
If you look to the Packers draft history, the first round is a lot of big dudes. Defensive and offensive, big guys. Reggie has said it interviews.
RaiderBones
Footballguy
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Chaka
Footballguy
One of their two private visits with prospects was with David Irving who apparently is a walking, talking off field issue.
