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2015 Shark Pool mock draft - The SECOND one (1 Viewer)

Ifo Ekpre-Olomu's Injury Worse Than Advertised

Updated April 22, 2015

By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

A few months ago, Oregon cornerback Ifo Ekpre-Olomu was in the running to be the top-ranked corner, but then he suffered a knee injury during bowl practice before Oregon's game against Florida State. It was said to be a torn ACL, but team sources I've spoken to say the knee injury was much worse and was along the lines of Marcus Lattimore or Willis McGahee's rather than a simple ACL tear like the one suffered by Georgia running back Todd Gurley or Texas A&M offensive tackle Cedric Ogbuehi.

Sources say that Ekpre-Olomu tore more than an ACL and there was a variety of damage done to his knee. At one point, there were some teams' medical staffs that were wondering if lingering effects of the injury would force Ekpre-Olomu to retire before every playing again, like Lattimore. However, recent checks have been more positive and teams feel that Ekpre-Olomu has a shot at playing again.

The injury is significant enough, however, that some teams are putting Ekpre-Olomu in their undrafted prospect group. A contact from one team thinks that Ekpre-Olomu could have a shot at going on day three of the draft like Lattimore did, but their team doesn't have a round grade on Ekpre-Olomu because of the medical report. They have Ekpre-Olomu as an undrafted free agent as well.

Read more at http://www.walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php#cuqpoS2FCYcR6kwb.99
 
I must admit I've gotten to the end of my familiarity with most players. Any suggestions for the Eagles here?

 
I must admit I've gotten to the end of my familiarity with most players. Any suggestions for the Eagles here?
Team Needs:

  1. Two Cornerbacks: Philadelphia's primary objective this offseason is to add three upgrades to the secondary, including two at cornerback. Cary Williams is a loser who doesn't want to practice hard, while Bradley Fletcher can't cover anyone. There's a good chance the Eagles will use the 20th-overall pick on a corner. Signed Byron Maxwell, Walter Thurmond and E.J. Biggers
  2. Twp Rush Linebackers: Brandon Graham probably won't be back next year, as he told the media he wants to go to a team with a 4-3 defense. Trent Cole was released. The Eagles suddenly need to add two edge rushers. Re-signed Brandon Graham
  3. Safety: Here's the third upgrade to the defensive backfield. Malcolm Jenkins played well, but the Eagles need to find another safety to replace the oft-torched Nate Allen. There aren't any safety prospects worth taking in the second half of the opening round, so this is an area that'll have to be upgraded on Day 2.
  4. Running Back: The Eagles traded LeSean McCoy to the Bills - click on the link for my grades - so they'll need a replacement. Luckily for Philadelphia, the 2015 running back class is a great one. Signed DeMarco Murray and Ryan Mathews
  5. Guard: The Eagles have a solid offensive line when everyone's healthy, but the one liability up front is at right guard, where Todd Herremans struggled last year. A second-day selection could be used on help here.
  6. Wide Receiver: The Eagles are expected to retain Jeremy Maclin. If they don't, they'll need a new starting receiver across from Jordan Matthews. Signed Miles Austin
  7. Quarterback: Nick Foles is an above-average quarterback, and he's far from Philadelphia's problem. However, he's not a good fit for Chip Kelly's system. There's been talk about the Eagles trading up for Marcus Mariota, but the Buccaneers wanted to move up for a quarterback before they had the No. 1 pick, so they will not relinquish the top choice. Traded for Sam Bradford; e-signed QB Mark Sanchez
  8. Defensive End: Cedric Thornton will need to be re-signed a year from now. Thornton is stout in run support and would be missed if he hit the open market next spring.
  9. Inside Linebacker Depth: The Eagles need to make sure Casey Matthews doesn't start again. Traded for Kiko Alonso; signed Brad Jones
 
I am having the same problem on both my home and work computers. I can go to the main FBG home page but I get an error when I go to the forums. It only works for me using my phone.
I had the same problem, starting today.
It started late last night for me, but it just started working again. I really prefer using my computer over my phone on this site.
Can only get on with pad (haven't tried phone).

 
I'm happy to take on three or four teams if that helps. I'd just like to be a little organized. It doesn't seem like we had much of a roll call and I doubt anyone would care too much about how we finish this off. Or not.

 
Z.Smith(DE)Kentucky?
Another name I'd throw out.
Ding!
I think third vote is the charm. Smith it is, let's move on.

Seems like a pretty easy system to me if someone doesn't mind cutting/pasting the team needs into the thread. Often I'm mobile and it's a PITA on a phone or even tablet.

Not every team is going to draft based off need but it seems like the most democratic way imo. It's difficult to guess which players a team will fall in love with despite no need at the position.

 
Slapdash said:
So Phins are up? I'll make my pick in a few. Could go RB, FS, or CB here....maybe another TE or WR.
I'll take Javorius Allen to give Miami a power running back they are missing.

 
Slapdash said:
So Phins are up? I'll make my pick in a few. Could go RB, FS, or CB here....maybe another TE or WR.
I'll take Javorius Allen to give Miami a power running back they are missing.
Ha!!!! I traded up to pick 104 to take Allen. He's gone. I knew he wouldn't make it to me at the bottom of the 4th.

 
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Updated the list for you guys.

100 Tennessee - David Cobb

101 New England Patriots - Jeremy Langford

102 Oakland Raiders - Jarvis Harrison, OG, Texas A&M

103 Jacksonville Jaguars - Derron Smith

104 New York Jets (traded to Indy) - Javorius "Buck" Allen RB, USC

105 Washington Redskins - Jaquiski Tartt

106 Chicago Bears - Lorenzo Mauldin, LB, Louisville

107 Atlanta Falcons - Davis Tull

108 New York Giants - Kwon Alexander

109 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Josue Matias G Florida State

110 Minnesota Vikings - Adrian Amos, S, PSU

111 Cleveland Browns - Sean Mannion, QB, OSU

112 Seattle Seahawks - John Miller, OG - Louisville

113 Philadelphia Eagles - Z.Smith, DE, Kentucky

114 Miami Dolphins

115 Cleveland Browns

116 Houston Texans

117 San Diego Chargers

118 Kansas City Chiefs

119 St. Louis Rams

120 Cincinnati Bengals

121 Pittsburgh Steelers

122 Baltimore Ravens

 
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CLE, HOU, SD, KC and STL are the next five teams (based off of the most recent list I saw a few pages ago, not sure if it reflects recent trades?), after MIA, who I think just picked.

 
Taken I think
Sorry guys, nothing comes up when searching the topic for these names...

Give Miami Mark Giowinsky OG, WVU. No hits on the last four pages for him...Another guard to compete for time at the weakest position for the Dolphins.

 
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Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd.

Could that have been an oversight? Did Beasley get caught robbing a bank earlier today? If not, truly bizarre. More likely Trini Lopez IS selected in the first round than Beasley ISN'T.

 
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4.115 The Cleveland Browns select Jesse James, TE, PSU

This outlaw has the skills and size to exceed at the next level.

 
Hey guys, I have some trade offers out there to move down where I either win/lose by 10% or less so someone else may be picking at #117. If not I'll be back later in the day to make the pick.

 
Updated short list if it helps anybody

Short List

James Sample, S, Louisville, 3[SIZE=small]rd[/SIZE] round grade

Rakeem Nunez-Roches, DT, Southern Miss, 3[SIZE=small]rd[/SIZE] round grade

Senquez Golson, CB, Mississippi, 3[SIZE=small]rd[/SIZE] round grade

Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville, 3[SIZE=small]rd[/SIZE] round grade

Teyeler Davison, DT, Fresno State, 3[SIZE=small]rd[/SIZE] to 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Vince Mayle, WR, Washington State 3[SIZE=small]rd[/SIZE] to 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Christian Covington, DT, Rice 3[SIZE=small]rd[/SIZE] to 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Jamison Crowder, WR, Duke, 3[SIZE=small]rd[/SIZE] to 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Rob Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin 3[SIZE=small]rd[/SIZE] to 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Arie Kouandjio, OG, Alabama 3[SIZE=small]rd[/SIZE] to 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Mike Hull, LB, Penn State, 3[SIZE=small]rd[/SIZE] to 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Jeremiah Poutasi, OG, Utah, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Mitch Morse, C, Missouri, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

B.J. Finney, C, Kansas St, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Bobby Richardson, DT, Indiana, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Marcus Hardison, DT, Arizona St, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Justin Hardy, WR, East Carolina, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Stefon Diggs, WR Maryland, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Bobby McCain, CB, Memphis, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Mike Davis, RB, South Carolina, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Anthony Chickillo, DE, Miami (FL), 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round grade

Cameron Artis-Payne, RB, Auburn, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Matt Jones, Florida, RB, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Dezmen Lewis, WR, Central Arkansas, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Kenny Bell, WR, Nebraska, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

MyCole Pruitt, TE, Southern Illinois, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Tyler Kroft, TE, Rutgers, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Antoine Everett, OG, McNeese St. 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Jarvis Harrison, OG, Texas A&M, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Shaq Mason, C, Georgia Tech 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Markus Golden, DE, Missouri, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Zack Hodges, EDGE, Harvard, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Obum Gwacham, EDGE, Oregon St., 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Gabe Wright, DT, Auburn, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Derrick Lott, DT, Chattanooga, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Ramik Wilson, LB, Georgia, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Jake Ryan, LB, Michigan, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Kevin White, CB, TCU, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Craig Mager, CB, Texas St., 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

JaCorey Shepherd, CB, Kansas, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Anthony Harris, S, Virginia, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round

Adrian Amos, S, Penn State, 4[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] to 5[SIZE=small]th[/SIZE] round
 
With 104, the Colts select RB Javorius "Buck" Allen!

Will study under Frank Gore and be the back of the future for the Colts!

Edit to add the Colts complete draft:

#29- Jordan Phillips DT Oklahoma
#61- PJ Williams DB FSU
#93 Indianapolis selects Ty Sambrailo OT Colorado St.
#104, the Colts select RB Javorius "Buck" Allen RB USC

Colts address needs on both sides of the line as well as strengthening the DB opposite Vontae Davis. They add a RB who could easily become a 3-down back who gets to learn from a great leader in Gore.

With that we are done and welcome feedback.
I feel much better about my draft order after reading this in the "trade rumor" thread: "-The Colts are looking at cornerbacks, offensive linemen and nose tackles early in the draft. All three spots have depth, but nose tackle may be the most pressing to address early in the draft."

 
116 Houston - R.Wilson, ILB, Georgia

A need pick more than anything, Cushing is always hurt and hasnt been the same player after so many injuries. And very questionable depth otherwise.

 
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Maccagnan just had his press conference and discussed his draft philosophy. Stressed that he values BPA over need. Says things get "skewed" when you pick on need. Just found that interesting. Might have changed my thinking in the second and third rounds. Also prefers having more picks over a "top player." May indicate trading down instead of up. He says, "more picks equal more players."

Well, wished he'd had that press conference before starting this. Unless it's all a smokescreen, of course.

 
Maccagnan just had his press conference and discussed his draft philosophy. Stressed that he values BPA over need. Says things get "skewed" when you pick on need. Just found that interesting. Might have changed my thinking in the second and third rounds. Also prefers having more picks over a "top player." May indicate trading down instead of up. He says, "more picks equal more players."

Well, wished he'd had that press conference before starting this. Unless it's all a smokescreen, of course.
I'm old. I became obsessed with the draft in HS in the 70s. Tom Landry, Gil Brandt and Tex Schramm were given kudos for using computers to build America's team through the draft. I was born a Cowboy fan (a birth defect, perhaps). In an old article/interview from backinaday, that I've often wished would be posted by someone, the Dallas brain trust discusses the above issue siding 100% against drafting based on need. They use math to explain. In it's simplest form, drafting a 7 or 8 at a position of weakness when a 9 or 10 is available at a position of strength, then strengthen your strength. Using modern Dallas as an example, many questioned the wisdom of drafting a guard last year on a team with such a pathetic defense. I praised the Martin pick in the Dallas thread. If they go OL in round 1 this year, and that choice appears to be a serious candidate for BaP and a sure thing, I will praise it again. That pick allowed Dallas to roll into Seattle last year and punch the Seahawks in the mouth. No defender in that draft was capable of that. A Super Bowl champion was built in NY by strengthening a strength, the D-line. Fill your team with the best players out there and coach the rest. You may have to replace an injured player. You may just dominate with an absurd rotation. A great run blocking OL improves your defense by keeping it off the field. I could go on, and I confess I have quietly criticized many of you in this mock for being soooooooo focused on perceived need. The truly hard part of this draft game business is evaluating the players. Having done that, pick the best ones.

 
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Maccagnan just had his press conference and discussed his draft philosophy. Stressed that he values BPA over need. Says things get "skewed" when you pick on need. Just found that interesting. Might have changed my thinking in the second and third rounds. Also prefers having more picks over a "top player." May indicate trading down instead of up. He says, "more picks equal more players."

Well, wished he'd had that press conference before starting this. Unless it's all a smokescreen, of course.
I'm old. I became obsessed with the draft in HS in the 70s. Tom Landry, Gil Brandt and Tex Schramm were given kudos for using computers to build America's team through the draft. I was born a Cowboy fan (a birth defect, perhaps). In an old article/interview from backinaday, that I've often wished would be posted by someone, the Dallas brain trust discusses the above issue siding 100% against drafting based on need. They use math to explain. In it's simplest form, drafting a 7 or 8 at a position of weakness when a 9 or 10 is available at a position of strength, then strengthen your strength. Using modern Dallas as an example, many questioned the wisdom of drafting a guard last year on a team with such a pathetic defense. I praised the Martin pick in the Dallas thread. If they go OL in round 1 this year, and that choice appears to be a serious candidate for BaP and a sure thing, I will praise it again. That pick allowed Dallas to roll into Seattle last year and punch the Seahawks in the mouth. No defender in that draft was capable of that. A Super Bowl champion was built in NY by strengthening a strength, the D-line. Fill your team with the best players out there and coach the rest. You may have to replace an injured player. You may just dominate with an absurd rotation. A great run blocking OL improves your defense by keeping it off the field. I could go on, and I confess I have quietly criticized many of you in this mock for being soooooooo focused on perceived need. The truly hard part of this draft game business is evaluating the players. Having done that, pick the best ones.
My brother is a huge Giants fan and we talk about this. Hates that Reese leaves gaping holes at linebacker but concedes that likely two championships were won on strengths and fill-ins at some of the positions. I kind of think a hybrid way of doing things would be nice, if anybody could ever figure out a way to explain it.

 
I agree with that, in general, CC.

When value is approximately the same, compelling positional need could drive the pick. If the Rams decide they want Collins, Peat, Flowers or Clemmings to be a bookend with Robinson, but think they can get one at 1.15 or even 1.20, than scooping up an extra third or even second could make up for dropping down and passing on the higher graded talent. The strategy makes more sense, if their scouts don't find a huge difference between the grades at 1.10-1.15-1.20.

My main counter to BPA when pushed to the extremes, it could happen (though highly unlikely :) ) where the best value at your spot lines up at QB a decade in a row. But nobody would take 10 QBs in a row in the first round. At times, positional need compromises prioritized over pure BPA seem inevitable.

 
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Maccagnan just had his press conference and discussed his draft philosophy. Stressed that he values BPA over need. Says things get "skewed" when you pick on need. Just found that interesting. Might have changed my thinking in the second and third rounds. Also prefers having more picks over a "top player." May indicate trading down instead of up. He says, "more picks equal more players."

Well, wished he'd had that press conference before starting this. Unless it's all a smokescreen, of course.
I'm old. I became obsessed with the draft in HS in the 70s. Tom Landry, Gil Brandt and Tex Schramm were given kudos for using computers to build America's team through the draft. I was born a Cowboy fan (a birth defect, perhaps). In an old article/interview from backinaday, that I've often wished would be posted by someone, the Dallas brain trust discusses the above issue siding 100% against drafting based on need. They use math to explain. In it's simplest form, drafting a 7 or 8 at a position of weakness when a 9 or 10 is available at a position of strength, then strengthen your strength. Using modern Dallas as an example, many questioned the wisdom of drafting a guard last year on a team with such a pathetic defense. I praised the Martin pick in the Dallas thread. If they go OL in round 1 this year, and that choice appears to be a serious candidate for BaP and a sure thing, I will praise it again. That pick allowed Dallas to roll into Seattle last year and punch the Seahawks in the mouth. No defender in that draft was capable of that. A Super Bowl champion was built in NY by strengthening a strength, the D-line. Fill your team with the best players out there and coach the rest. You may have to replace an injured player. You may just dominate with an absurd rotation. A great run blocking OL improves your defense by keeping it off the field. I could go on, and I confess I have quietly criticized many of you in this mock for being soooooooo focused on perceived need. The truly hard part of this draft game business is evaluating the players. Having done that, pick the best ones.
My brother is a huge Giants fan and we talk about this. Hates that Reese leaves gaping holes at linebacker but concedes that likely two championships were won on strengths and fill-ins at some of the positions. I kind of think a hybrid way of doing things would be nice, if anybody could ever figure out a way to explain it.
Certain regimes clearly have a more defined positional importance hierarchy.Reid seemed to largely slough higher pedigree LBs (WR, too?) in PHI, instead prioritizing both lines and DB, and imo it cost him. They made the playoffs a lot, and lost one Super Bowl, but maybe a blue chip LB/WR or two could have put them over the hump?

 
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I struggled with what I would have done vs. what the team would do, and think I stuck to what team would do. I woulda gone Giants-style, and tried to have a bunch of animals up front. I would have gone Leo Williams, Owa Odighizuwa, and prayed for McBride in the 3rd.

But the teams are going to, by and large, go for need. It might not be their TOP need, but still a need. Teams with great MLB aren't going to draft a MLB high.

They might late, where value might be a lot greater. There, you just looking for guys that make the team.

 
Not a big fan of the MLB's, corners, TE's, or safeties in this draft. And other than the top 2 QB's, I don't like any QB's either. Big fan of the RB's, WR's, OLB's, edge rushers, and DT's. All things being equal, I'd rather pick the shelf of a picked over tier within those groups than grab the cream of earlier mentioned group. Need be damned.

 
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Yeah, not a fan of Corners or Safeties in this class, not one I'm willing to trade up and grab, I'm okay with taking Byron Jones at the 1.32 but would rather trade back and grab him in the mid 2nd which is looking less and less likely. There are a few token TEs I like, same with ILBs (Mckinney).

But this class is full of pass rushers and linemen.

I had an idea of what I wanted to do, but some players slipped imo, others went much sooner than expected and id rather likely improve a position than hope to improve a position of weakness.

Also the idea the Pats could cobble together a legit pass rush on the line coupled with their linebacker corp is just too good to pass up, the secondary can regress back to the 2012/2013 soft zone and still perform at a high level because of how aggressive their front 7 would end up being.

 
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San Diego 117 Rob Havenstein(RT)Wisconsin

A rising tide raises all boats, and an improved OL makes every single player on the offense look so much better. Just ask the Cowboys. It's pretty obvious what finally broke DAL out of the .500 doldrums is a big investment and improvement in the OL and I'm banking on the same formula working for SD. I think DAL even took some heat for taking a C "way too early" as well. There were a few other OLmen on my board but I didn't want to miss out on one of them by waiting until the 5th so ended up taking Havenstein now. Many in the draft community describe him as ready to start at RT from the start. He's a similar player to Fluker in many ways but it allows Fluker to shift from RT to RG which may be a more natural fit for him and his a HUGE improvement over their current RG:Kenny Wiggins(blech).

This moves makes the SD OL...

LT Dunlap(330)

LG Franklin(320)

C Erving(313)

RG Fluker(339)

RT Havenstein(321)

As with all my picks so far I looked for a three down starter and think Havenstein fits that mold nicely. Really happy with the road grader physical quality of the right side of the line.

 
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