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Chicago Hooligan said:
Perry had an eventful game. I won't say great, due to being in position and missing some tackles, plus the dumb penalty but at least he is showing more than expected.
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You have to be joking with this review of Perry's play? 7 tackles, two sacks. Perry dominated today, no matter how you slice it. That was a great day. 

" Riddick’s five carries on an opening 15-play drive lost a total of 10 yards. Perry played around or through blockers either to make the tackle or assist on four of them"

" Through three weeks, he ranks with defensive tackle Mike Daniels as the Packers’ best player. "

 
Sabertooth said:
Ok, can you at least acknowledge that he's not starting material thus far in his career?  
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Yes, a 2nd year converted safety playing CB with Shields out will occasionally get beat. He slipped and fell once, got beat once by a good route and great pass.  This doesn't make him a bust. If Randall is the weakest piece on the defense, we're in pretty good shape for an NFL team.

fwiw, CB snap counts yesterday:

Cornerbacks: Quinten Rollins 67, LaDarius Gunter 63, Damarious Randall 57, Josh Hawkins 7

 
btw - Smart play by Ty Montgomery drawing an OOB penalty on the kick-off. I actually think that's a Slocum vestige as I think I recall someone doing that a couple years ago - establishing position out of bounds then lunging for the ball.  In this case, it was worth about 37 yards.

 
Ok...overall thoughts with time to reflect

Offense

OL is doing a very good job this year.  Pressure still seems to come mostly when we are looking for longer developing patterns.  I have yet to see very much just quick pressure on Rodgers.  Also opened up some great holes for Lacy in the run game.  Through 3 games, do they miss Sitton?  I am not seeing that at all.

Rodgers was back on...quick, crisp, good decisions and accurate.  Took off when he needed to.  What some see as conservative in the 2nd half coming from the coach...I think some was coming from Rodgers.  Scrambles (that were good things to move the chains) came when looking downfield in the 2nd half.  That is not conservative play calling...but Rodgers not forcing it and taking what he could with his legs.

Lacy is running angry.  The run to the sidelines this past week...he slowed down to throw a stiff arm when he knew he was about to be out of bounds anyway.  Looked for contact and had good moves into the hole.  he will never outrun a bunch of people...but can run over and thru tackles and makes good moves for a guy of his size.  They need to keep feeding him the ball.

Coaching...nice to see quick passes working and hitting early on.  The slant was back for once...hope that continues.  

WR/TEs...where is Cobb?  Montgomery (other than the kickoff)?  Just does not seem very much part of the plan.  Sucks losing Cook, but Rodgers looks pretty good out there again.  The rookie Davis has got to catch that ball late in the 4th.  Great seeing Jordy making cuts and turns and big catches.

Defense

DLine is dominating.  Daniels is just such a beast.  Didn't really miss a beat without Guion in there.

LBs playing well too.  First off Perry is coming on strong...made up for not having Matthews there.  Peppers seems like JAG at this point.  He just isn't that noticeable anymore.  Martinez and Ryan playing well...covering TEs seems a problem, but it didn't seem to be their assignment anymore.

Secondary...has got to play better.  Yes, they need Shields and Burnett back.  So much youth out there playing snaps this past week.  Randall was bad...there is no sugar coating that.  Burnett and Shields being out limits Capers though....with them, they can do so much more with Rollins, HaHa, and Hyde.  They need at least one of them back quickly.

 
We were up 31-10 at the half and manage to eek out a win against Detroit. If that seems like a great victory to anyone, you are the issue in this thread. We should have buried them in the 3rd, instead it was 3 and out with a crap punt. Play calling totally sucked, we barely had 300 yards and we ran 48 offensive plays. We could just as easily be 0-3 right now, we barely beat the Jags and Lions and Minny just outplayed and out coached us.

I know McCarthy is no BB, but holy crap Batman, play 4 effing quarters, not 2. We easily could have gone to OT or just lost due to our over conservative play calling in the second half. It's like we had Dean Smith running the 4 corners offense out there. Let's hope the clock expires before they catch us. I personally hate that crap, I want to kill teams not make every dang game a friggin nail-biter. 

The defense has been better, Burnett is definitely not why, he's ALWAYS been a liability in coverage and still is. The young LB'ers are doing a good job and hopefully after the bye week we get Clay and Shields back. 

Sucks having an early bye week, but for us we it was probably a good thing. What really bugs me is our offense totally lacks that killer instinct we used to have. Something is definitely wrong or we really have become so stale and predictable that it's going to be an issue when we play a good team. 

I have been a die hard Packers fan for about 40 years, I love the team and history as much as anyone. But I'm not so stubborn/blind as to say we are doing great when we really aren't. The parts are still in place, it is not talent that's lacking, hopefully we start playing better football before it's too late. 

 
The Claymaker said:
We were up 31-10 at the half and manage to eek out a win against Detroit. If that seems like a great victory to anyone, you are the issue in this thread. We should have buried them in the 3rd, instead it was 3 and out with a crap punt. Play calling totally sucked, we barely had 300 yards and we ran 48 offensive plays. We could just as easily be 0-3 right now, we barely beat the Jags and Lions and Minny just outplayed and out coached us.

I know McCarthy is no BB, but holy crap Batman, play 4 effing quarters, not 2. We easily could have gone to OT or just lost due to our over conservative play calling in the second half. It's like we had Dean Smith running the 4 corners offense out there. Let's hope the clock expires before they catch us. I personally hate that crap, I want to kill teams not make every dang game a friggin nail-biter. 

The defense has been better, Burnett is definitely not why, he's ALWAYS been a liability in coverage and still is. The young LB'ers are doing a good job and hopefully after the bye week we get Clay and Shields back. 

Sucks having an early bye week, but for us we it was probably a good thing. What really bugs me is our offense totally lacks that killer instinct we used to have. Something is definitely wrong or we really have become so stale and predictable that it's going to be an issue when we play a good team. 

I have been a die hard Packers fan for about 40 years, I love the team and history as much as anyone. But I'm not so stubborn/blind as to say we are doing great when we really aren't. The parts are still in place, it is not talent that's lacking, hopefully we start playing better football before it's too late. 
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I don't think anyone including McCarthy are saying it was a great victory. I don't think anyone including McCarthy are saying there aren't problems to be fixed. Just because someone isn't running around like chicken little screaming "the sky is falling" mean they think this is a great team. You can still admit the good and also acknowledge the flaws. Learn to enjoy the victories.

And yeah, we could be 0-3 but we could also be 3-0.

 
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No doubt and I am glad we are 2-1, it just gets old reading how great McCarthy is and this team is when we are clearly not great yet and may not be with this coaching staff. Hoping we have a great rest of the season. 

 
CletiusMaximus said:
btw - Smart play by Ty Montgomery drawing an OOB penalty on the kick-off. I actually think that's a Slocum vestige as I think I recall someone doing that a couple years ago - establishing position out of bounds then lunging for the ball.  In this case, it was worth about 37 yards.
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Cobb did it a few years ago. 

 
The Claymaker said:
We were up 31-10 at the half and manage to eek out a win against Detroit. If that seems like a great victory to anyone, you are the issue in this thread. We should have buried them in the 3rd, instead it was 3 and out with a crap punt. Play calling totally sucked, we barely had 300 yards and we ran 48 offensive plays. We could just as easily be 0-3 right now, we barely beat the Jags and Lions and Minny just outplayed and out coached us.

I know McCarthy is no BB, but holy crap Batman, play 4 effing quarters, not 2. We easily could have gone to OT or just lost due to our over conservative play calling in the second half. It's like we had Dean Smith running the 4 corners offense out there. Let's hope the clock expires before they catch us. I personally hate that crap, I want to kill teams not make every dang game a friggin nail-biter. 

The defense has been better, Burnett is definitely not why, he's ALWAYS been a liability in coverage and still is. The young LB'ers are doing a good job and hopefully after the bye week we get Clay and Shields back. 

Sucks having an early bye week, but for us we it was probably a good thing. What really bugs me is our offense totally lacks that killer instinct we used to have. Something is definitely wrong or we really have become so stale and predictable that it's going to be an issue when we play a good team. 

I have been a die hard Packers fan for about 40 years, I love the team and history as much as anyone. But I'm not so stubborn/blind as to say we are doing great when we really aren't. The parts are still in place, it is not talent that's lacking, hopefully we start playing better football before it's too late. 
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Look at the actual play by play and tell me what was conservative.  Dont juat count how many run olays (even if you did, look at the ypc on thosre runs).

Difference is we dropped a few balls, and we didnt get off  the field on defense. (Also dropped at least 3 catchable INTs on the day).

I dont think anyone called it an overall great game.  Just happy seeing the offense click again.

 
The Claymaker said:
I know McCarthy is no BB, but holy crap Batman, play 4 effing quarters, not 2. We easily could have gone to OT or just lost due to our over conservative play calling in the second half. It's like we had Dean Smith running the 4 corners offense out there. Let's hope the clock expires before they catch us. I personally hate that crap, I want to kill teams not make every dang game a friggin nail-biter.  
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This is classic fan talk and we can all be thankful none of our coaches, whose job security and livelihoods are actually on the line in these games, think this way. Just like the Kansas City game at Lambeau last year, when fans were so upset the Packers didn't pile on. Of course not everything went perfectly in the second half on Sunday, but I think McCarthy played it perfectly in both cases. Run the clock, secure the win, job done. Any time you come back from the 2 minute warning and close the game with 3 kneel-downs, its a comfortable win imo.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
This is classic fan talk and we can all be thankful none of our coaches, whose job security and livelihoods are actually on the line in these games, think this way. Just like the Kansas City game at Lambeau last year, when fans were so upset the Packers didn't pile on. Of course not everything went perfectly in the second half on Sunday, but I think McCarthy played it perfectly in both cases. Run the clock, secure the win, job done. Any time you come back from the 2 minute warning and close the game with 3 kneel-downs, its a comfortable win imo.
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Exactly.  

I love Vic's take on the game... they got a win running only 52 PLAYS! That's incredible. They got up big then ran out the clock and didn't put the players in a position to be injured by running another unnecessary dozen plays. That was as perfect of a 2nd half game plan as you will ever see. 

I'm surprised that people so into football that they post here can't see the full picture. TALKING TO YOU CLAYMAKER.

 
Sorry I call it like I see-um, we took a blow-out and turned it into a nail biter. I'm glad we won, but IN MY OPINION that game was closer than it should have been. That is MY opinion of the game as I saw it. If you disagree that is fine, I don't really care. If you feel the Detroit game showed how awesome we are and how great our coaching staff and play calling is, I humbly disagree.

I am saying (In MHO) we better be playing better than this come January or we will be watching from home AGAIN. I personally would love to see us holding up the Lombardi again as it should be. 

 
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The Claymaker said:
Sorry I call it like I see-um, we took a blow-out and turned it into a nail biter. I'm glad we won, but IN MY OPINION that game was closer than it should have been. That is MY opinion of the game as I saw. If you disagree that is fine, I don't really care. I am saying we better be playing better than this come January or we will be watching from home again. 
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But I think you are wrong as to why it was closer.

Defense not getting off the field was the difference in the 1st and 2nd half.

Add in the Cobb drop on 3rd down, Davis drop on 1st down...and the penalty setting up a 3rd and 20 where Rodgers just scrambled to get back to FG range and you have the difference offensively.

There was only one real drive that called a lot of run plays in a row...and those were 4 straight to Lacy that resulted in 2 first downs and big chunks of yards to start the half.  I doubt anyone calling the play calling conservative was complaining about those runs when they happened.

 
After the first couple weeks I thought the Giants were one of the best teams in the NFC. It seems that is not the case but GB's draft-built defense outplayed the Giants'. Good thing New York spent all that money on free agent acquisitions, huh.

Anyway, playing at home after a bye I do expect a win no matter who the opponent is.

I don't have a thorough overview since I only started watching after the debate. The offensive line was godly. Too bad about Lacy getting hurt, he was getting chunk plays against a solid run defense.

I saw a lot of very quick 3-and-outs on the game tracker... also some crummy punts from Schum putting the Giants in good field position repeatedly. Rodgers missed some more throws but there were also drops. Richard Rodgers needs to make that TD grab on the last scoring drive.

 
Packers are now 3-1 and held one of the most explosive offensive teams to three field goals until the final few minutes of the game. They have a soft schedule for the next two months and are likely a shoe-in for a playoff spot even if they can't overtake the Vikings. While some guys are banged up, there are no key players on injured reserve and the running game is clearly back on track (and it came against one of the better run defenses in the league). Rodgers is back to being Rodgers, the WRs are picking up some slack, and the defense showed it is one of the best units in the game.

LIFE IS GOOD.

 
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Good win, like seeing Lacy gash teams a good running game will always help the passing game. I hope the real Aaron Rodgers shows up soon, cause he's never been a 50% passer. Some bad drops and Jordy was the cause of a pick, but he still didn't seem to have that pinpoint accuracy he has in the past. O-line did play great, definitely can't blame them for Rodgers struggles. 

We will see where our D is next week playing one of the hottest teams in the NFL this week. Also one of the most efficient QBS and running games. Would love to see Shields back on the field this weekend. 

 
Alex P Keaton said:
I thought the defense looked better this week with Randall sitting out.
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I thought the Defense looked good due to the return of Guion and due to the Giants receivers dropping three balls which could have been devastating plays. 

I do like the young guys who have been getting playing time in the defensive backfield, but this is still a work in progress.  I am far from giving up on Randall.  I see talent and improvement, but I also recognize that he is very inexperienced.  It's not like he was a four years starter at corner in college.  He is still raw, but shows me flashes of brilliance.  That's not to say that I sometimes don't slap my forehead and curse when he gets beat.  His inexperience does lead to some nearly inexplicable plays.

Right now my concerns go to Jordy having the dropsies (in spite of that one great T.D. grab) and to the fact that the Packers lose 10 yards of field position every time there is an exchange of punts.

 
I never said I was giving up on him.  Never suggested he be released.  But he needs to improve drastically.  He just hasn't had it click.  He could vastly improve but right now he needs to be safely in the sideline or asked to do a limited role.  He's not nearly assign-sure and his lapses have really stung.  I tend to think his problem lies in the fact that he has had his role assigned to him rather than earning it.  In a fair competition I don't think he can beat out Gunter or Rollins right now. 

He needs to bust his ### and learn his craft.  He's now what 20 games into his career more or less?  He needs to get much better.  

 
Alex P Keaton said:
I thought the defense looked better this week with Randall sitting out.
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I thought it had little to do with who was playing corner.

More to do with pressure and Eli throwing floaters over his WRs head.

Receivers were open many times and Eli was either getting hit, or just missing completely.

 
sho nuff said:
I thought it had little to do with who was playing corner.

More to do with pressure and Eli throwing floaters over his WRs head.

Receivers were open many times and Eli was either getting hit, or just missing completely.
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Reason for the D playing so good is they were playing the same offense that the Packers have been running for the last 5 years.

Capers played two high safeties and begged the Giants to run the ball against the front 7. Two issues that made this hard for the Giants.

     1. No real threat at RB.

     2. McAdoo just like his former boss refused to take what D would give them and kept trying to run deep routes. No slants.  No screens. No 3 - 4 yards on early downs.

There was pressure from the D line and coverage was there because they did not allow the Giants to run there man beater deep routes.

 
I hate to see Joe Callahan released.  I would rather have sacrificed Abbrederis, and I love him, being a Badger and all.  Still, since Cobb and Montgomery are emergency R.B.'s bad fate could find us needing 7 receivers.  Here's to hoping for two wins, even sort of ugly ones between now and Thursday and no injuries.

 
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So tjere is no middle ground between gutless and faking injury. ..and Ronnie Lott?
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I never said he faked an injury.  I said I hope he isn't faking an injury.  

He's somewhere between Ahmad Caroll and Ronnie Lott.  Much closer to the former thus far.  

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I hate to see Joe Callahan released.  I would rather have sacrificed Abbrederis, and I love him, being a Badger and all.  Still, since Cobb and Montgomery are emergency R.B.'s bad fate could find us needing 7 receivers.  Here's to hoping for two wins, even sort of ugly ones between now and Thursday and no injuries.
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FYI the Saints grabbed Callahan.

 
I think the biggest problem with the offense is lack of receiving weapons.  Over the past three or four seasons there has been a huge influx of receiving talent and the Packers kind of turned their nose up at it.  They should have a guy who can push Jordy and Cobb.  

 
Sabertooth said:
I think the biggest problem with the offense is lack of receiving weapons.  Over the past three or four seasons there has been a huge influx of receiving talent and the Packers kind of turned their nose up at it.  They should have a guy who can push Jordy and Cobb.  
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Well they did draft a few WRs in the later rounds. They "turned their nose up" at the WR talent because they were drafting defensive players. That was a big need. They needed to placate some fans that were crying about Dom Capers and his defense.

 
KingPrawn said:
Well they did draft a few WRs in the later rounds. They "turned their nose up" at the WR talent because they were drafting defensive players. That was a big need. They needed to placate some fans that were crying about Dom Capers and his defense.
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A) Ted Thompson doesn't give a flying F about what the fans think. That's what's made him so great; he is able to do is job without worrying about fans buying tickets because of the 60-year waiting list.

B) They drafted defense because need met value. 

C) How many freakin' WRs do you think a team needs? Jordy and Cobb are both in the TOP 16 WR CONTRACTS! The Packers have among the most cap space allocated to WRs of any team. If they're not playing up to it then that's on the player, but the team clearly paying talent for Rodgers.  In addition, they dropped a highly-valuable 2nd round pick on Davante Adams. I think you're expecting way too much.

Fans are dumb. Even fans who regularly post on these boards.

 
Phenomena said:
A) Ted Thompson doesn't give a flying F about what the fans think. That's what's made him so great; he is able to do is job without worrying about fans buying tickets because of the 60-year waiting list.

B) They drafted defense because need met value. 

C) How many freakin' WRs do you think a team needs? Jordy and Cobb are both in the TOP 16 WR CONTRACTS! The Packers have among the most cap space allocated to WRs of any team. If they're not playing up to it then that's on the player, but the team clearly paying talent for Rodgers.  In addition, they dropped a highly-valuable 2nd round pick on Davante Adams. I think you're expecting way too much.

Fans are dumb. Even fans who regularly post on these boards.
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Agreed. My post was posted with tongue firmly planted in cheek. Fans complain because they don't address the defensive needs. Then they complain that they don't draft WRs. Then they complain because TT doesn't trade up and hoards his draft picks. Honestly, TT would need twice as many draft picks in order to draft and address everything the fans want. Can't please 'em all.

 
Sabertooth said:
I think the biggest problem with the offense is lack of receiving weapons.  Over the past three or four seasons there has been a huge influx of receiving talent and the Packers kind of turned their nose up at it.  They should have a guy who can push Jordy and Cobb.  
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We drafted WRs.  They just aren't very good.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
We drafted WRs.  They just aren't very good.
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I think it has less to do with them not being good....and where I would put a lot of criticism on the coaching staff.  The routes and formations and concepts last year were bad (read several articles about just how bad).  The usage of some of the guys seems just odd at times (and not talking about Janis not getting time).

How other teams with far less talent are getting it done on offense and at WR (Minnesota right now especially...NE historically...and so on)..is it coaching?  Is it the offensive scheme?  Is it the QB continuing to still be too careful at times?

 I think there is a little truth to all of it.

BTW...as a side not on the topic of WRs...Adams has actually been playing better lately.  A nice surprise thus far.

 
sho nuff said:
I think it has less to do with them not being good....and where I would put a lot of criticism on the coaching staff.  The routes and formations and concepts last year were bad (read several articles about just how bad).  The usage of some of the guys seems just odd at times (and not talking about Janis not getting time).

How other teams with far less talent are getting it done on offense and at WR (Minnesota right now especially...NE historically...and so on)..is it coaching?  Is it the offensive scheme?  Is it the QB continuing to still be too careful at times?

 I think there is a little truth to all of it.

BTW...as a side not on the topic of WRs...Adams has actually been playing better lately.  A nice surprise thus far.
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Agreed with the routes and the usage of the WRs. Packers rely a lot on the WR beating their man. They need to use more rub routes and screens. They also have gotten away from the quick slant it seems. Seems like Cobb and Montgomery would be dangerous on these types of plays.

 
KingPrawn said:
Agreed with the routes and the usage of the WRs. Packers rely a lot on the WR beating their man. They need to use more rub routes and screens. They also have gotten away from the quick slant it seems. Seems like Cobb and Montgomery would be dangerous on these types of plays.
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I don't get why Montgomery does not see the field all that much?  Have not read enough about him and whether he just doesn't have Rodgers trust?  But I notice Davis the rookie out there more than Montgomery on offense.

They worked slants and such early on against Detroit and moved it well...frustrating for sure that it seems to go away.

Agreed on screens too...the other frustrating thing is they run them almost exclusively with Starks and its easier to key in on that when he comes in.

MM needs to get a bit more creative.

 
KingPrawn said:
Well they did draft a few WRs in the later rounds. They "turned their nose up" at the WR talent because they were drafting defensive players. That was a big need. They needed to placate some fans that were crying about Dom Capers and his defense.
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I agree.   And that's why you don't draft lesser talented players for need.  Ted made his name as a GM by drafting BPA. He was famous for it.  He needs to get back to it.  

 
Phenomena said:
A) Ted Thompson doesn't give a flying F about what the fans think. That's what's made him so great; he is able to do is job without worrying about fans buying tickets because of the 60-year waiting list.

B) They drafted defense because need met value. 

C) How many freakin' WRs do you think a team needs? Jordy and Cobb are both in the TOP 16 WR CONTRACTS! The Packers have among the most cap space allocated to WRs of any team. If they're not playing up to it then that's on the player, but the team clearly paying talent for Rodgers.  In addition, they dropped a highly-valuable 2nd round pick on Davante Adams. I think you're expecting way too much.

Fans are dumb. Even fans who regularly post on these boards.
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Oh so contract size is how we judge talent?  That's dumb.  Now way are Jordy and Cobb in the top 16 in terms of talent.  

 
B-slapped at home. Hopefully (I keep saying that) next week we play better and Rodgers throws to his teammates not in the area of them. Maybe our d-backs will come play again. That would be helpful. 

 
Absolute crap show of a game.

Rodgers just looks bad.  Missing WRs...not seeing coverage...fumbling.  Just bad.

And that set the tone for everything (and the early FGs rather than TDs).

McCarthy's calls were not great...but I give him a tiny pass on this one just with the availability or lack of at times with Lacy.  Now, that is on him and Rodgers for trying to go quick and not just get lacy on the field on that goalline opportunity.  I then slam him for the later runs in the game with lacy when down 18 knowing they have a game on Thursday and him limping around.  Seemed dumb.

D?  Too inconsistent today.  They held up early...but that big drive at the end of the half just took the wind out of the sails.

Does not help having 3 DBs hurt now and the others biting on every double move and play fake.

The only good today IMO was seeing Montgomery getting work on the field.  Going to be a tough short week to get people back by Thursday.

 
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