2016 Green Bay Packers thread (3 Viewers)

[Pipes]

Oh please on Bulaga. 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/free-agent-profile-bryan-bulaga/

"Bryan Bulaga struggled as a rookie and then turned into a Pro-Bowl level tackle in 2011. He then suffered two lost seasons via injury before finally hitting his groove again the second half of last season. If Bulaga can continue to stay healthy he has the ability to be a Top 10-15 tackle, and perhaps even more. He is also one of the few who plays well both in the run game and in pass protection. Green Bay will make a strong push to retain his services, but if he does hit the open market interest will be strong, especially with the lack of other options at tackle. It will be interesting to see what salary range he will command with the combination of his tough injury history and potential, being just 25 years of age."

A little early to say much of anything about Clark. He has made plays here and there, and his name has been called. He's also had his downs. Because he's a rookie.

I'm not getting into old, tired debates about Hawk. Guy was a pro that played a lot of football for Green Bay. He's not a D player, based on that.

Perry and Jones, maybe I'd agree. But Nick Perry has played some good football the last two years.

I agree on Bulaga and Perry.  I hated the Perry pick but he's been solid for quite a while. I'd give Hawk a C-...yes he was an average LB but he was a top 5 pick.  I think with his production he'd get a C as a mid-late first rounder but not top 5 especially when a guy like Haloti Nagta was there.  I still say Thompson was gun shy about taking Middle LB early because of how AJ Hawk turned out that are was such a weakness for a long time in this defense. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Hawk is easy a C...How is Perry a D right now?  Even Jones right now has come on enough to earn that C.  Perry is inching closer to a B as he goes on in his career.

Should 1st round picks take 3-4 years to contribute at all? Jones is gone after this season. Successful 1st round draft picks aren't usually allowed to walk after their rookie contract. Nick Perry is gone after this year too. Yep, successful picks. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Oh please on Bulaga. 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/free-agent-profile-bryan-bulaga/

"Bryan Bulaga struggled as a rookie and then turned into a Pro-Bowl level tackle in 2011. He then suffered two lost seasons via injury before finally hitting his groove again the second half of last season. If Bulaga can continue to stay healthy he has the ability to be a Top 10-15 tackle, and perhaps even more. He is also one of the few who plays well both in the run game and in pass protection. Green Bay will make a strong push to retain his services, but if he does hit the open market interest will be strong, especially with the lack of other options at tackle. It will be interesting to see what salary range he will command with the combination of his tough injury history and potential, being just 25 years of age."

A little early to say much of anything about Clark. He has made plays here and there, and his name has been called. He's also had his downs. Because he's a rookie.

I'm not getting into old, tired debates about Hawk. Guy was a pro that played a lot of football for Green Bay. He's not a D player, based on that.

Perry and Jones, maybe I'd agree. But Nick Perry has played some good football the last two years.

Again, I guess people are okay with waiting 4 years for a 1st round draft pick to contribute. In the final year of their contract. Convenient.

Hawk was a top 5 draft pick... top 5 draft picks are held to a high standard. I guess we are okay with C's at 5th overall. Maybe that's why people are so content with TT these days. They are fine with Cs on day 1. 

 

[sho nuff]

Should 1st round picks take 3-4 years to contribute at all? Jones is gone after this season. Successful 1st round draft picks aren't usually allowed to walk after their rookie contract. Nick Perry is gone after this year too. Yep, successful picks. 

Should they?  Yes...most players do.  Such impatient crap.  Rodgers took that long to develop.  Jordy took a while to develop too.

So did Bulaga...and nearly every OL we had even back in the day.  These guys are young when they come into the league and should have time to actually develop.

I like how you claim to know both are just gone after this year too...any other things about the future you wish to tell us?

 

[Mr.Pack]

They went back to the waiting for long devloping patterns again

I put this on Rodgers as he has multiple WR routes.

On that 3rd and 10 down 31-13 with 7 mins left, the camera angle was perfect. You could see Jackson open in the middle of the field for the 1st down, and he had Perillo on the outside wide open for the first, yet Rodgers opts for the home run to Jordy. A terrible, putrid decision.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

again... you can play in a game, have high snap counts, and be a terrible addition to the team. AJ Hawk is another example. The Packers are going to be inflated on this statistic because they 1) have had more picks than most teams in recent drafts and 2) are consistently a young team meaning younger players are put into starting and playing roles before they are ready or even if they aren't capable

Look, there are 33 categories they chose to review. Not just snap counts. If you don't want to review them, don't. But you're missing the key point. They spent 50 hours researching it, across 33 categories (not just snap count,) and Thompson's Packers came out on top. Do with the data what you will. The data is there.

 

[Sabertooth]

Its hard to say and I don't claim to know how to judge this. However, it seems every week we're hearing about the receivers, the running game and the OL being the reason for Rogers' poor play. Perhaps that is the case. We heard about Jordy Nelson all of last season, as though he were the second coming of Jerry Rice, and continue to hear that excuse this season. For me, a great QB doesn't necessarily need all-pros across his line, catching his passes and running the ball. That's the point of being a great QB, he excels no matter who is plugged in to those positions.

Can't argue this.  Rodgers has a lot of culpability here.  But he isn't giving up game winning drives and mishandling the clock.  He isn't the one allowing HWY 23 on the field so Marvin Jones can look like Marvin Harrison.  He isn't the one allowing Indy to convert multiple third downs on a clock killing drive.  

Aaron is the worst we've seen him.  No doubt.  But he's one starter among 22.  Sure he's the most important one, but he's been visibly pissed more than once this season as he's headed to the sidelines.  

 

[sho nuff]

Can't argue this.  Rodgers has a lot of culpability here.  But he isn't giving up game winning drives and mishandling the clock.  He isn't the one allowing HWY 23 on the field so Marvin Jones can look like Marvin Harrison.  He isn't the one allowing Indy to convert multiple third downs on a clock killing drive.  

Aaron is the worst we've seen him.  No doubt.  But he's one starter among 22.  Sure he's the most important one, but he's been visibly pissed more than once this season as he's headed to the sidelines.  

Sure...but he got the ball back in Atl...with timeouts and couldn't move the ball.

Stafford had 23 seconds left, 0 timeouts and moved Detroit into FG range to tie it.

As much as the defense has given up things (and they are severely depleted)...Rodgers and the Offense basically put up 10 points for much of the game yesterday.

Its not just MM...its Rodgers too.

 

[Sabertooth]

No they are not. No worse than other GMs, that is for certain. He's hit on his fair share.

Do some reading on his use of the draft, and you'll find he's generally regarded as one of the best: http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2015/07/21/data-shows-just-good-thompson-draft/30475885/

2005 - Aaron Rodgers - Grade A

2006 - AJ Hawk - Grade C

2007 - Justin Harrel - Grade F

2008 - No 1st, traded. Jordy Nelson first pick. Grade A

2009 - BJ Raji - Grade A, Clay Matthews - Grade A

2010 - Bryan Bulaga - Grade B

2011 - Derreck Sherrod - Grade F (But injuries were the issue)

2012 - Nick Perry - Grade C

2013 - Datone Jones - Grade C

2014 - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix - Grade B

2015 - Kenny Clark - Grade Incomplete, but early returns look good.

He hit on Rodgers, Nelson, Raji, Matthews, Bulaga, Clinton-Dix, and it appears Clark.

Middle of the road on Hawk, Perry, Jones (Hawk is controversial, but held down the position for a long time. You can't suck and have that happen. Perry has played well the last two seasons. Jones I'm leaning toward a lower grade, but not a complete miss.)

Missed on Harrel, Sherrod

Not for nothing but that's a 2.2 GPA over the career and a 1.75 GPA over the past four.    

I'd be shocked if that's the best.  

 

[Interseptopus]

Look, there are 33 categories they chose to review. Not just snap counts. If you don't want to review them, don't. But you're missing the key point. They spent 50 hours researching it, across 33 categories (not just snap count,) and Thompson's Packers came out on top. Do with the data what you will. The data is there.

Data can be manipulated to say whatever you want. The fact is, snap counts and draft picks who start weigh into the overall value. So, as I've said above, with the packers drafting more than others and being so young those players have to play, that does skew the results. I read research as part of my profession... you have to be able to dissect it and see its short-comings. 

You have 33 different factors but some are weighted heavily in the packers favor. It's like saying we looked at 33 factors that influence heart disease in each state: which include cheese consumption, beer consumption and proximity to a Great Lake and WI scored as one of the top. Well, of course... the data is so heavily favored toward WI on those 3 categories, if they came in as average on the other 30 they would still be in the top. 

That being said, take out the starting, snaps, etc categories and what does the data show? If it shows TT still scores in the top, then fine I admit that I'm an impatient Packer fan that expects too much of his GM. If not, then I think there is more to see here. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Not for nothing but that's a 2.2 GPA over the career and a 1.75 GPA over the past four.    

I'd be shocked if that's the best.  

C's get degrees according to Curious George's owner. 

Careful, or he might accuse you of cherry picking

Apparently we are just fine with a "C" as a top 5 overall pick... 

 

[Sabertooth]

Sure...but he got the ball back in Atl...with timeouts and couldn't move the ball.

Stafford had 23 seconds left, 0 timeouts and moved Detroit into FG range to tie it.

As much as the defense has given up things (and they are severely depleted)...Rodgers and the Offense basically put up 10 points for much of the game yesterday.

Its not just MM...its Rodgers too.

I agree.  Your second sentence made me chuckle though....I'm like....exaaactly.

This team is all kinds of fail.  Capers should have been dumped after the Seattle debacle.  Ted should pick better players.  Mike should coach those better players better (gameplanning around Richard ####### Rodgers...are you kidding me?), Aaron should play better, and for the #### sake...Janis needs to catch better.  Other than that, we are remarkable.  Oh and HWY 23 should be better too.  If you want to keep your jersey clean, you'd better be Deion in coverage.  

 

[Interseptopus]

I agree.  Your second sentence made me chuckle though....I'm like....exaaactly.

This team is all kinds of fail.  Capers should have been dumped after the Seattle debacle.  Ted should pick better players.  Mike should coach those better players better (gameplanning around Richard ####### Rodgers...are you kidding me?), Aaron should play better, and for the #### sake...Janis needs to catch better.  Other than that, we are remarkable.  Oh and HWY 23 should be better too.  If you want to keep your jersey clean, you'd better be Deion in coverage.  

Capers should have been let go years ago. Careful though... apparently he is "the best defensive mind in the last few decades" according to someone, I forget who is that delirious around here. 

Ted needs to pick better players. Most GMs fail more than they hit but TT seems to fail an awful lot on impact players. Sure, he drafts guys who play snaps and so forth but impact players in those first 3 rounds are lacking. He does great 4-7th and UDFAs. 

McCarthy's offense is just awful. Richard Rodgers is a role player, not a player to feature yuor offense. Not when you have Adams showing he found out how to use his hands, Montgomery showing he's possibly the biggest multi-threat on this offense, and Jordy/Cobb playing fairly well. The OL is doing pretty good overall, considering their best player was cut before the season. 

Kind of wanting to sell my tickets for this weekend and just go on a bourbon tour instead... either way I'll have too much to drink, better off doing it while having fun rather than being frustrated

 

[Sabertooth]

Joquie Bell rumors.  He's got to be better than nobody right? 

 

[Interseptopus]

Joquie Bell rumors.  He's got to be better than nobody right? 

Expected to sign today...

Better than no one I guess. Hard to get excited about a guy on the wrong side of 30

I'd be more excited about.... Edit: nevermind he's not a FA

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeah I bet Ted is pissed now because Bell is going to skew the overall age of the team.  

 

[socrates]

Expected to sign today...

Better than no one I guess. Hard to get excited about a guy on the wrong side of 30

I'd be more excited about.... Edit: nevermind he's not a FA

The guy I would have been more excited to see in Green Bay is Karlos Williams.  I believe he is sitting on Pittsburgh's PS.  That said, Bell could fit in nicely.

 

[Interseptopus]

The guy I would have been more excited to see in Green Bay is Karlos Williams.  I believe he is sitting on Pittsburgh's PS.  That said, Bell could fit in nicely.

Me too. I think you're right, he is on their PS so they could sign him for nothing. But maybe they're worried Lacy won't keep him away from the buffet table... 

 

[Sabertooth]

I agree.  Jump on Williams quick.  The buffet table fights will be epic. 

 

[The Kerminator]

This stuff has been going on for a year. The hail mary win at Detroit that allowed this team to get into the playoffs covered up how bad of a coaching staff this team has.

Read today the reason for the opening return going to the house was the Colts had run everything straight up the middle and not shown a run back against the grain. Once again a team was more prepared for the game coming out of the box. Also shows Zook doesn't have team prepared for changes.

McCarthy game plan showed how stubborn he is and that NFL knows how to beat him. Colts played 2 high safety and dared him to run the ball or throw short routes. McCarthy has patience for this type of play. If he is not throwing deep balls he is not happy. His comments after the game that players need to win the one on one battles is getting old. His scheme is not helping players get open, if it isn't working make changes to help the players get open. His stubbornness is being more costly the longer he is allowed to run this team.

Time for McCarthy to be shown the door at the end of this season. New direction on offense and defense is needed, with new eyes keeping players countable for their play.

Ted can step down at the end of the season to be an area scout and allow Elliott Wolf to put his touch on this team. Maybe we will see talent brought in with more than the draft. Ted has done a great job drafting and seeing talent, but his lack of using other avenues has created holes on this team.

As to your first line, it goes both ways. Had Gunter made the INT last week against ATL and Clinton-Dix completed the sack this week the Packers wouldn't be 4-4, they would be 6-2. Would you be singing the praises of the coaching staff then?

 

[Pipes]

As to your first line, it goes both ways. Had Gunter made the INT last week against ATL and Clinton-Dix completed the sack this week the Packers wouldn't be 4-4, they would be 6-2. Would you be singing the praises of the coaching staff then?

It does go both ways.  GB barely survived week 1 against Jacksonville and almost blew a big lead vs the Lions.  They could be 2-6 just as easy as 6-2 so 4-4 sounds about right...mediocre just like this coaching staff.

 

[Sabertooth]

As to your first line, it goes both ways. Had Gunter made the INT last week against ATL and Clinton-Dix completed the sack this week the Packers wouldn't be 4-4, they would be 6-2. Would you be singing the praises of the coaching staff then?

Fair point.  Although in reality, the Packers had no business in the playoffs last season and it showed rather quickly.  They aren't playoff caliber this year either.  

 

[Sabertooth]

It does go both ways.  GB barely survived week 1 against Jacksonville and almost blew a big lead vs the Lions.  They could be 2-6 just as easy as 6-2 so 4-4 sounds about right...mediocre just like this coaching staff.

Pretty much.  Mediocre GM, mediocre coach, mediocre record in the middle of a mediocre year.  

 

[sho nuff]

Fair point.  Although in reality, the Packers had no business in the playoffs last season and it showed rather quickly.  They aren't playoff caliber this year either.  

Quickly...as in winning a road playoff game and going to OT in the road in the next?

 

[Sabertooth]

The Redskins are a JV team.  Taking the cards to overtime was nice.   Winning would have been better.  But that's what you get when you count on HWY 23.  

 

[sho nuff]

The Redskins are a JV team.  Taking the cards to overtime was nice.   Winning would have been better.  But that's what you get when you count on HWY 23.  

In other words...they did belong i the playoffs and your statement about them fi ding out quickly that they didnt came straight out of your ###.

 

[Sabertooth]

No.  They didn't belong in the playoffs last year.  They beat a JV team and lost the next game.   

They were about as good last year as they are this year.  That is to say they are a middle of the road team.  Not very good despite what the McCarthy and Thompson nut huggers think.  They don't have the personnel to compete this year.  They didn't last year either. 

If you go roughly .500 over a 20+ game span, you are roughly a .500 team.  That's what this team is right now.  They aren't anywhere near the team that won the Super Bowl in 2010.  They are not close to the team that folded up shop early against Seattle in 2014.  Either of those teams would pound the ever loving #### out of this 2016 #### show.  They've been backsliding for 4 or 5 years.  The chickens are coming home to roost.  Bad drafts, bad decisions on players, bad contracts and coaches who have seemingly non-voidable contracts no matter how badly their unit fails.  You can't win if you aren't improving in the NFL.  One would think that winning a Super Bowl with the youngest roster in the NFL would mean a team was set up to be a dynasty.  Turns out they were never able to capitalize despite having infallible management.   

 

[sho nuff]

You love being all over the place.  ie week, they are improved at nearly every position...the next, its a dumpster fire.

 

[Sabertooth]

That's because they are neither as good nor as bad as they appear from week to week.  And who gives #### anyway.  

You are amazingly consistent despite anything.  Ted is great. Mike is great. Aaron is great. Clay is great. Bulaga is great.  You remind me of the Lego movie "Everything is Awesome.  Everything is cool when your part of the team."   

The truth is I don't really care as much anymore.  I don't think the players really care that much as a whole (meaning across the league).  I don't think the owners really care about winning and I don't think Ted and Mike really care that much.  I think you care more than Ted cares about winning.  Enjoy the rest of your week.  

 

[sho nuff]

That's because they are neither as good nor as bad as they appear from week to week.  And who gives #### anyway.  

You are amazingly consistent despite anything.  Ted is great. Mike is great. Aaron is great. Clay is great. Bulaga is great.  You remind me of the Lego movie "Everything is Awesome.  Everything is cool when your part of the team."   

The truth is I don't really care as much anymore.  I don't think the players really care that much as a whole (meaning across the league).  I don't think the owners really care about winning and I don't think Ted and Mike really care that much.  I think you care more than Ted cares about winning.  Enjoy the rest of your week.  

I do think Ted is a great GM.

I think MM has been a very good coach, but it is likely time to look elsewhere.  i have been critical of him in the past and will continue to be critical when warranted.

Rodgers is a great QB...but i have also  been critical of him over  the past 2 seasons and will continue to be as its warranted.

Not even close to how you portray me...you seem to do so with everyone doesnt think the sky is falling often enough for you.

 

[Interseptopus]

I agree to some extent with Sabertooth. I find it hard to have a discussion with the "everything/one is great" crowd. It's okay to think that those in leadership aren't great. It's okay to admit that Thompson is not the best GM to ever grace this earth. At the same time, the "everything/one sucks unless we win the superbowl every year" crowd is just as intolerable. 

I would also agree that I don't even care much about the Packers. I used to be a very die hard fan. I think it was the year after they blew that loss to Seattle (that Sabertooth references), that I watched the very first game of the following season and was immediately disgusted. It was like they picked right up where they left off. And to this day it's the same. The same defense, although we can at least stop the run to some extent, and the same offensive plays. I've been consistently losing interest ever since. It's entertainment... and if I'm not entertained why am I even wasting my time? 

I see nothing wrong with admitting that this team is not built very well. There are some obvious holes and some very glaring coaching issues that haven't really gotten better during the decade we've had to tolerate it. 

Most players really don't seem to care anymore. Get your payday and then just go through the motions. All of these guys are competitive so I think there is some passion, but it's nowhere near what it should be. It makes it hard to watch. McCarthy doesn't seem to care when he loses. That dumbfounded look on his face every time they lose. Or the frustrated look like it's the refs fault. No, Mike, it's your fault for calling a 60 yard pass on 4th and 1 with 45 seconds left. Maybe 6 years ago that would have caught defenses sleeping, but now-a-days everyone is expecting it from GB, because it's what they do, more often than not. 

For the record, I think Thompson is an above average GM. He is not great, nor is he terrible. I think he needs to sign veteran leadership and he needs to be okay with giving up on his draft picks. The later has gotten much better over the years. Rodgers is the best QB, at least one of the best, in the league but he has too much pressure on him right now to perform effectively. McCarthy needs to go. This team needs a fresh new approach. He's done okay during his time here. But lately he just seems like he's completely out of ideas. at some point this is going to turn into a Jeff Fischer situation. 

 

[Sabertooth]

I agree.  I find myself taking more and more extreme arguments to counter the "everything is awesome" posters.   They are unmovable.  

 

[sho nuff]

I agree.  I find myself taking more and more extreme arguments to counter the "everything is awesome" posters.   They are unmovable.  

Because they dont exist

 

[Pipes]

Time to blow this #### show up.  TT, McCarthy, Capers...everyone.  

 

[The Claymaker]

Time to blow this #### show up.  TT, McCarthy, Capers...everyone.  

100% Agree with McCarthy and Capers. 

Personally I would absolutely love to see a new D cord bring in a base 4/3 Defense. I have always felt it was the better defense, but we definitely need a change. 

Our o-line isn't bad, but we gotta get some speed at RB, Rodgers has plenty of good years left and I think the wr'ers are fine. I can name plenty of excellent wr'ers that aren't blazing fast and yet get open if they are running good routes. 

I am talking next year of course, because I still think we got a shot this year with as bad as our division is. 

Terrible performance today, made me sick seeing an average team chew us up and spit us out like that. 

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

D not being able to prevent being carved up and lack of credible run threat seeming to do this team in this year.

 

[sho nuff]

Awful game...team just had no heart starting out.

How the F did Ryan get hurt before even a play on D ? 

Injuries piling uo making a mediocre team now look like an awful team.

Rodgers missed some early...and this reliance i  Richard Rodgers makes zero sense.

The only positive was Davante and Jordy really.  some of thise catches where jordy reaches back for a back shoulder or just into his break are just so good.

 

[sho nuff]

Well, the other highlight was spending the day with my son and meeting Super Bowl XXXI champ Bruce Wilkerson...with his big ol SB Ring.

 

[Sabertooth]

 

[Sabertooth]

I didn't see it but sounds like another low effort game against a team vastly more prepared.  Id be surprised if we reach .500 on the season with the upcoming schedule.  

Cupboards are looking pretty thin.  

 

[Pipes]

100% Agree with McCarthy and Capers. 

Personally I would absolutely love to see a new D cord bring in a base 4/3 Defense. I have always felt it was the better defense, but we definitely need a change. 

Our o-line isn't bad, but we gotta get some speed at RB, Rodgers has plenty of good years left and I think the wr'ers are fine. I can name plenty of excellent wr'ers that aren't blazing fast and yet get open if they are running good routes. 

I am talking next year of course, because I still think we got a shot this year with as bad as our division is. 

Terrible performance today, made me sick seeing an average team chew us up and spit us out like that. 

The only reason I mention TT is he's close to retirement and they have Wolf in waiting.  If they get rid of MM and Capers it seems like a great time to promote Wolf.  I'd hope they'd keep Ted on as an advisor.

 

[Sabertooth]

I bet they keep McCarthy on and Ted retires.  Wolf comes in and then gives McCarthy the dreaded vote of confidence and probably a raise and then he's fired after another milquetoast season.  

 

[Sabertooth]

What's Ted going to advise on?  How to avoid free agents?  

You know what's funny, of the top 4 Packers of the post wolf era, the Packers only drafted 1.  White and Woodson were free agents.  Obviously Favre was a trade.  And Ted continues to eschew free agency. 

 

[The Kerminator]

I bet they keep McCarthy on and Ted retires.  Wolf comes in and then gives McCarthy the dreaded vote of confidence and probably a raise and then he's fired after another milquetoast season.  

I would think it's the other way around. McCarthy now coaching for his job.

I don't know what to think about this team anymore though. They seem more talented than what they are playing but maybe not. Hard to say with the record they have. It's hard to believe a team can drop off this quickly.

 

[Sabertooth]

You'd think that but Ted isn't about to can a coach and then retire.  And continuity would be useful for Wolf.  

 

[Sabertooth]

I would think it's the other way around. McCarthy now coaching for his job.

I don't know what to think about this team anymore though. They seem more talented than what they are playing but maybe not. Hard to say with the record they have. It's hard to believe a team can drop off this quickly.

I'm not so sure this team is all that talented.  

 

[Pipes]

What's Ted going to advise on?  How to avoid free agents?  

You know what's funny, of the top 4 Packers of the post wolf era, the Packers only drafted 1.  White and Woodson were free agents.  Obviously Favre was a trade.  And Ted continues to eschew free agency. 

Scouting. 

 

[Sabertooth]

Scouting. 

I think we have enough 4th round talents.  I think that needs to be addressed as well.  

 

[sho nuff]

Also extremely disappointing coming out that poorly when the place  was close to half Packer fans.  the Go Pack Go chants were louder than the Titans fams at the beginning.

 

[Sabertooth]

Also extremely disappointing coming out that poorly when the place  was close to half Packer fans.  the Go Pack Go chants were louder than the Titans fams at the beginning.

Yeah this team just has no spark at all.  

I see maybe three wins the rest of the season.  I could see anywhere from 5-11 to 8-8.  Yuck.  

Listening to the radio coverage after the game, it was all negative.  Mike McCarthy sounded unintelligent.  Like a fan almost.  Um this and um that.  I think Mike is one of those guys who likes to take the credit when he wins, and when he loses, he just figures it was bad luck or something.  His ego won't let him believe he's the biggest cause of this team going from powerhouse to powderpuff.  

Lot's of complaining about Fabio as well.