Interseptopus
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2016 Green Bay Packers thread (3 Viewers)
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Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
I haven't been really looking for this with him when he has played, but you keep beating the drum. So, I tried to do a little digging on the buzz on him heading into the draft. This guy certainly agrees with your opinion:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2441708-despite-recent-hype-damarious-randall-is-not-2015-nfl-drafts-top-safety-prospe
"In general, he is not a physical player and will do his best to keep his jersey clean. Big hits will not be a part of his repertoire and he is a major risk to be run over by bigger, more physical players in the NFL.
So when you talk about what Damarious brings to the table, you have an undersized, fluid athlete with great change-of-direction and enough speed to cover sideline to sideline. But you also get a guy who takes ill-advised risks, has poor functional strength and avoids physicality to a degree."
When Randall gets back, this is something I want to see. If Randall can cover, then I think the team might be willing to overlook a lack of physicality. After all, that about sums up Shields early on. If Randall isn't improving in the coverage aspect, then I'd be left to wonder what exactly he is bringing to the table. Between this and your commentary, I think my mind is changing on Randall. We need to get him back on the field, as this is feeling like a make or break second half of the season for him.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I think Clinton Dix made a transition last season, and it would be nice to see some of these other guys such as Randall and Rollins make a similar transition. It was nice to see TT finally draft CBs, but if they don't step it up then we may be looking at another draft where we need to spend a 1st or 2nd day pick on a CB. You can only draft DL and CBs with your first pick so many years before the rest of yuor team really starts to suffer.
TT is not a good 1st round drafter... he has shown he can hit pretty well with later round picks but what has he gotten right- Rodgers and Matthews and.....?? So far Clinton Dix actually looks like he could be a good one, but other than that it's been very underwhelming. Some of the OL are starting to come around but it's already too late for them to not be considered busts to some degree. Not when you have a guy like Bakhtiari who has basically come in and done better than any 1st round OL has
TT is not a good 1st round drafter... he has shown he can hit pretty well with later round picks but what has he gotten right- Rodgers and Matthews and.....?? So far Clinton Dix actually looks like he could be a good one, but other than that it's been very underwhelming. Some of the OL are starting to come around but it's already too late for them to not be considered busts to some degree. Not when you have a guy like Bakhtiari who has basically come in and done better than any 1st round OL has
sho nuff
Footballguy
You think Atlanta plays as well on the grass in Lambeau? Or Minnesota away from their stadium while opening it up that night?
I put quite a bit of stock on home vs. away in close games.
Stats don't tell the story. At the end of 2014 the Packers defense was one of the top 3 units in the league. They shut down the Seahawks hard, away. Everyone was healthy and the accumulation of draft picks send them into elite territory. Know when to use statistics - they lie sometimes. Injuries have ravaged them this year.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
My point is, Capers is hardly one of the greatest minds on defense for the last decades
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I must say, I am enjoying Minnesota's current losing streak and apparent dis-function with their Offensive Coordinator. I am trying not to be too pleased because worms can turn mighty fast, but they are doing their best to keep the Packers in the hunt.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I sure as #### didn't think Chicago would march into Green Bay on the night they retired Favres jersey and honored Starr and beat them. But it happened.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Wow. I hadn't read that honestly but it is congruent with what I have noticed a few times. Thanks for posting.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think he can be a depth guy. The other thin I noticed is he gets up and instantly starts looking around at other players when he gets beat. iIs almost like he is pointing fingers with his body language.
i sure hope he turns it around. becausecas I've said before "if you want to play like Deion Sanders, you'd better be able to play like Deion Sanders."
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Um isn't that the year the defense choked against Seattle in the playoffs? Is seem to remember a Hail Mary 2 pointer conversion and a scrub torching Tramon in overtime. Also Hawk getting school by our old punter. Elite indeed.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
answering "well GB doesn't play the best on grass" doesn't answer the question... You don't put stock in home vs away but here we've given two examples where home clearly benefits the team in question.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Ok well I already stated I don't put a lot of stock in it. That means I don't think it matters much. Why bother with answering hypotheticals?
Matt Ryan down six with a minute to go in Green Bay? I don't think it makes any difference where they are.
Matt Ryan down six with a minute to go in Green Bay? I don't think it makes any difference where they are.
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NickyHatton
Footballguy
Hey Packers fans any chance Ripkowski gets some good run this week, maybe 10+ carries?
Don't really know much about him or the specifics of why he got the carries he did last week, but I thought he looked better running the ball than any of the backs they've given carries to since Lacy went down.
Don't really know much about him or the specifics of why he got the carries he did last week, but I thought he looked better running the ball than any of the backs they've given carries to since Lacy went down.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
I can see him getting the 10+ carries. Probably late if they get in clock killing mode. Watch the availability of Montgomery as well. That will play a factor. Only other options are Don Jackson, Cobb (hamstring?) and Montgomery (illness?). They are also very limited in the defensive backfield so they will want to control the clock and eat time against Luck.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
The hits keep coming for the Green Bay secondary:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/11/02/packers-practice-goodson-out-rollins-back/93175346/
"Yet another one joined the injury list this week.
Demetri Goodson was not present at practice Wednesday and was listed on the injury report as having a concussion. He becomes the fifth cornerback to suffer an injury that kept him out of practice. The others are Sam Shields (concussion), Damarious Randall (groin), Quinten Rollins (groin) and Josh Hawkins (hamstring). If Goodson and Rollins both are unable to play, the Packers would be down to LaDarius Gunter, Micah Hyde and Hawkins. They also could incorporate safeties Morgan Burnett or Kentrell Brice as corners in their nickel and dime packages."
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/11/02/packers-practice-goodson-out-rollins-back/93175346/
"Yet another one joined the injury list this week.
Demetri Goodson was not present at practice Wednesday and was listed on the injury report as having a concussion. He becomes the fifth cornerback to suffer an injury that kept him out of practice. The others are Sam Shields (concussion), Damarious Randall (groin), Quinten Rollins (groin) and Josh Hawkins (hamstring). If Goodson and Rollins both are unable to play, the Packers would be down to LaDarius Gunter, Micah Hyde and Hawkins. They also could incorporate safeties Morgan Burnett or Kentrell Brice as corners in their nickel and dime packages."
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
I think you're going to see the same wide open, pass happy Green Bay offense this weekend. Five wides, spread it out, run occasionally. Ripkowski made the most of his carries last week, but they aren't going to ground and pound with him. I'd say he'd be hard pressed to surpass 10 carries.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
This team really needs to look at their training methods. Wow.
Of course the casual fan has been saying this for years. And for McCarthy and Ted, it's a nice baked-in excuse at the end of the season too.
Of course the casual fan has been saying this for years. And for McCarthy and Ted, it's a nice baked-in excuse at the end of the season too.
sho nuff
Footballguy
They have changed theor training several times.
ITs not going to orevemt the several concussions, Motgomery and his kidneys...or knee and ankle issues when guys get hit or rolled up on.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
It's uncanny how often they are hurt though, you have to admit.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Yes, it seems to hit them hard and often. I don't know what to make of it. You can't prevent some of it, but it is frustrating to see it happen over and over.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
It's every year. I mean a year or two I could see, but this is a consistent thing over probably that last 5 or 6 years.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Exactly. I was going to post something similar the other day. Injuries happen - but the frequency and severity of injuries each and every year.....at some point that just isn't randomness.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah, or maybe it is. it isn't likecthey play 10000 games for a smoothed out average.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
No, but with 50 players and 16 games we have like 800 data points per year......over multiple years.....
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Home Field sure didn't mean much on that drive to end the half. Luck just sliced through them like cool whip. This Packers D seems like a mirage. They are still bad in clutch situations. Hope the offense can get on track, they need this win.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Decided to go back to stuff that didnt work to start the year.
Worst offensive game plan all year.
Just pathetic to this point.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Not sure what it was today.
Everything that looked good with Montgomery and Adams..they decided to focus on Richard Rodgers and Nelson today.
Pitiful all around today.
Defense was fine early...but that drive and the one to end the half were bad for them.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
What a crappy job of play calling by McCarthy today.
Pipes
Footballguy
Montgomery should have 20 touches/targets combined today. Defense choked too when they needed to make a play.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Can't even beat the dregs anymore with any kind of consistency. Gross effort all around.
Janis showed why he's a depth guy at best. Rodgers throwing picks on consequtive throws. Defense just choking in the clutch again. Not much left to say really. This just isn't a very good team right now. This is what happens when your roster isn't properly constructed. Tennessee no gimme next week either. I had high hopes for the team, but they just don't come up with the plays in the clutch. Plain and simple. This is why I don't put a lot of stock in home field advantage. It doesn't mean #### most of the time.
When you are an NFL team and you are centering your game plan around the skills of Richard Rodgers, you are in trouble.
Team will be lucky to go 9-7.
Janis showed why he's a depth guy at best. Rodgers throwing picks on consequtive throws. Defense just choking in the clutch again. Not much left to say really. This just isn't a very good team right now. This is what happens when your roster isn't properly constructed. Tennessee no gimme next week either. I had high hopes for the team, but they just don't come up with the plays in the clutch. Plain and simple. This is why I don't put a lot of stock in home field advantage. It doesn't mean #### most of the time.
When you are an NFL team and you are centering your game plan around the skills of Richard Rodgers, you are in trouble.
Team will be lucky to go 9-7.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yep, just like last week. Not a very clutch group. Ha Ha missing that sack was pathetic.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
This is the worst team we've seen since 2008. Mike and Ted have let it slip to almost a Sherman-esque level. No home field advantage to speak of. Roster is a mess. Injuries again. I'd imagine we are picking around 20 again.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Last week you claimed they were improved in most areas...now you complain about the roster?
Which is it?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think I was wrong last week. This roster is a mess.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I dont think its the roster right now.
OTher than the injuries.
Not utilizing Montgomery today was bad.
Not having a running game is bad.
Not having Clay was bad.
But Todgers missed some early...the drop by Janis was awful.
And Slocum returning for the opening kickoff sucked.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
McCarthy needs to be fired, he is one of the worst coaches in the league.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
True. The running back situation is a direct result of poor planning and/or scouting. It's a personnel problem.
The defense always needs Clay to produce. They just don't have the horses. That's personnel.
Injuries or no, the result is the same. Mediocre play against decent offenses. They are not close to contending with Dallas at this point in the NFC.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah they are missing Shields. Randall is more of the same though. He's not an appreciable upgrade over Gunter or Rollins. Shields is for sure.
