2016 Green Bay Packers thread (1 Viewer)

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Come on..."In fante we trust"?  No?  At least the Majik man was entertaining I guess.

You got a lotta nerve
To say you are my friend
When I was down
You just stood there grinning

You got a lotta nerve
To say you got a helping hand to lend
You just want to be on
The side that’s winning

You say I let you down
You know it’s not like that
If you’re so hurt
Why then don’t you show it

You say you lost your faith
But that’s not where it’s at
You had no faith to lose
And you know it

I know the reason
That you talk behind my back
I used to be among the crowd
You’re in with

Do you take me for such a fool
To think I’d make contact
With the one who tries to hide
What he don’t know to begin with

You see me on the street
You always act surprised
You say, “How are you?” “Good luck”
But you don’t mean it

When you know as well as me
You’d rather see me paralyzed
Why don’t you just come out once
And scream it

No, I do not feel that good
When I see the heartbreaks you embrace
If I was a master thief
Perhaps I’d rob them

And now I know you’re dissatisfied
With your position and your place
Don’t you understand
It’s not my problem

I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment
I could be you

Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You’d know what a drag it is
To see you

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Come on..."In fante we trust"?  No?  At least the Majik man was entertaining I guess.

And I supported them through all those years.  Sometimes, most usually that meant supporting teams that might get to 8 and 8.  This is not to say that there were not some great games and some great players.  I loved Dickey, Lofton, Jefferson, Jon Brockington, Johnny Gray, The Mad Stork and Mad Dog Douglas.  I loved Dave Roller and Dave Purifoy. There was John Anderson and Sterling Sharpe.  Chuck Cecil.

All in all though I much prefer making the playoffs every years and getting the prize more often than most others.  Its been 31 years since the Bears won, and the Vikes and the Lions have never taken a Super Bowl.  Nope, we Packer fans have it good.  Some whiney crap about how we are wasting Rodger's career can be sold elsewhere.  After all, we are in an era with Brady, Brees, Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Newton, Wilson, Flacko, Ryan and others, all of whom also feel they should or could win every year.  It gets tiresome to be given lessons in negative perspective by someone who lacks all perspective.

I've tried to be patient and supportive of Sabertooth, but I wish he'd give it a rest sometimes.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I have a fear.  My fear is that folks like Sabertooth will create enough of a negative atmosphere that they will eventually make the GM and Coaching jobs in Green Bay less than desirable.  They will chase off the good things we have.  Then, far too late they will know the fate of other franchises that cater to the howling mob of fans.  I remember wondering the wilderness from the late 60's to the 90's after enjoying the success of the Lombardi teams. (yes I am old)  I do not want to re-experience the Bengston, Starr, Devine, Gregg, and Infante years again. 

I also wonder about a fan who is so intent on trying to diminish the enjoyment of other fans in the hope that he can someday say I told you so to strangers.  Saber, you have made your points, you have been heard, some agree with you, I suppose, but many do not.  What is it about you that you are so insistent on trying to take a dump on our enjoyment?  Why not become a Patriot fan since you clearly feel they are the standard you are looking for? 

One of the things I like about Thompson and McCarthy is that a fundamental pillar of their program is that they have no regard whatsoever for the opinions of fans or media, as it should be. In every interview they give, the main thing they communicate is, "I don't care who you are or what your job is, you'll get no answers from me. Can I leave now?"

We're extremely fortunate that Thompson's introverted personality keeps him in Green Bay. Were he to announce his resignation today, is there any doubt he'd have a dozen or more offers by nightfall - most likely at a significant salary increase? Bottom-line owners like Jones, Kroenke, Snyder, McCasky, Isray, Lurie, Mara would fire their GM's instantly to bring in Thompson.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

One of the things I like about Thompson and McCarthy is that a fundamental pillar of their program is that they have no regard whatsoever for the opinions of fans or media, as it should be. In every interview they give, the main thing they communicate is, "I don't care who you are or what your job is, you'll get no answers from me. Can I leave now?"

We're extremely fortunate that Thompson's introverted personality keeps him in Green Bay. Were he to announce his resignation today, is there any doubt he'd have a dozen or more offers by nightfall - most likely at a significant salary increase? Bottom-line owners like Jones, Kroenke, Snyder, McCasky, Isray, Lurie, Mara would fire their GM's instantly to bring in Thompson.

Absolutely agree.

 

[Sabertooth]

That is a quick admission that Davis was an error.  Few Coaches and GM's are that quick to admit to a mistake knowing they will take heat.

Few coaches and GMs enjoy the job security Mike and Ted do.

 

[Pipes]

Thank you for making my point.  In 2010 we won the Super Bowl.  Now the team is hopefully 9-7.  Great improvement.  

Not really making your point.. If healthy this is a 11-5, 12-4 type team as long as McCarthy doesn't hold them back. 

 

[Sabertooth]

I have a fear.  My fear is that folks like Sabertooth will create enough of a negative atmosphere that they will eventually make the GM and Coaching jobs in Green Bay less than desirable.  They will chase off the good things we have.  Then, far too late they will know the fate of other franchises that cater to the howling mob of fans.  I remember wondering the wilderness from the late 60's to the 90's after enjoying the success of the Lombardi teams. (yes I am old)  I do not want to re-experience the Bengston, Starr, Devine, Gregg, and Infante years again. 

I also wonder about a fan who is so intent on trying to diminish the enjoyment of other fans in the hope that he can someday say I told you so to strangers.  Saber, you have made your points, you have been heard, some agree with you, I suppose, but many do not.  What is it about you that you are so insistent on trying to take a dump on our enjoyment?  Why not become a Patriot fan since you clearly feel they are the standard you are looking for? 

Lol.  I think the teams success is tied a lot closer to Favre and Rodgers than McCarthy and Ted.  

I'm competitive.  I don't like good when great is within grasp.  I'm also big on accountability.  

 

[Sabertooth]

Not really making your point.. If healthy this is a 11-5, 12-4 type team as long as McCarthy doesn't hold them back. 

I guess we will never know because they are always hurt.  

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Releasing Davis before his 3rd game on the roster means the Packers don't give KC any compensation at all, so perhaps a mistake but only as bad as picking up any waiver scrub for a couple games.

 

[sho nuff]

And I supported them through all those years.  Sometimes, most usually that meant supporting teams that might get to 8 and 8.  This is not to say that there were not some great games and some great players.  I loved Dickey, Lofton, Jefferson, Jon Brockington, Johnny Gray, The Mad Stork and Mad Dog Douglas.  I loved Dave Roller and Dave Purifoy. There was John Anderson and Sterling Sharpe.  Chuck Cecil.

All in all though I much prefer making the playoffs every years and getting the prize more often than most others.  Its been 31 years since the Bears won, and the Vikes and the Lions have never taken a Super Bowl.  Nope, we Packer fans have it good.  Some whiney crap about how we are wasting Rodger's career can be sold elsewhere.  After all, we are in an era with Brady, Brees, Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Newton, Wilson, Flacko, Ryan and others, all of whom also feel they should or could win every year.  It gets tiresome to be given lessons in negative perspective by someone who lacks all perspective.

I've tried to be patient and supportive of Sabertooth, but I wish he'd give it a rest sometimes.

Agree...I get wanting more titles.  I do.  I think people think its easy sometimes.  Also have to figure in $$$ when you pay that much for a top QB, it takes away resources elsewhere.  When you also pay that much to an OLB...it takes large chunks of resources from elsewhere.

Also...some of the same ones complaining will wax poetic about Favre and Wolf...and then forget that they have the same # of rings as Rodgers and Thompson.

 

[sho nuff]

Lol.  I think the teams success is tied a lot closer to Favre and Rodgers than McCarthy and Ted.  

I'm competitive.  I don't like good when great is within grasp.  I'm also big on accountability.  

I think Thompson does more than you think....and I think guys like Rodgers and even Favre benefited greatly from their coaches.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think Thompson does more than you think....and I think guys like Rodgers and even Favre benefited greatly from their coaches.

Maybe.  Ted has some great qualities. Mike is a quality coach.  But they have really let the team down ever since the Seattle debacle.

 

[sho nuff]

Maybe.  Ted has some great qualities. Mike is a quality coach.  But they have really let the team down ever since the Seattle debacle.

I think you can make that case for Mike for sure.  Ted, I just disagree with you a lot on that.

 

[Interseptopus]

Thompson, IMO, has done a lot to benefit this team. Our secondary is the best it's been for years, possibly since the superbowl, when it's healthy. Right now it's not healthy and we are struggling. Our DL is looking really good in spite of losing some rather big contributors over the last several years. 

I think Ted has done more than his fair share. Mike I think has to go at some point. I'm kind of tired of the same old same old. His offense is set up for Tampa 2, but mostly everyone plays GB man to man. You saw how good they can be vs zone against ATL because ATL plays zone. Most teams don't. McCarthy just does his thing even if the game changes around him. Same with Capers. It gets a little exhausting. I'm sure they are making changes and doing something but it's hard to see GBs offense live/die by the long ball. Our rushing attack is non existant. And when's the last time we actually had a viable screen option? Montgomery kind of gives us that but it's a little telegraphed. 
 

 

[sho nuff]

Thompson, IMO, has done a lot to benefit this team. Our secondary is the best it's been for years, possibly since the superbowl, when it's healthy. Right now it's not healthy and we are struggling. Our DL is looking really good in spite of losing some rather big contributors over the last several years. 

I think Ted has done more than his fair share. Mike I think has to go at some point. I'm kind of tired of the same old same old. His offense is set up for Tampa 2, but mostly everyone plays GB man to man. You saw how good they can be vs zone against ATL because ATL plays zone. Most teams don't. McCarthy just does his thing even if the game changes around him. Same with Capers. It gets a little exhausting. I'm sure they are making changes and doing something but it's hard to see GBs offense live/die by the long ball. Our rushing attack is non existant. And when's the last time we actually had a viable screen option? Montgomery kind of gives us that but it's a little telegraphed. 
 

I would give Capers more crap for that...but right now, his hand is completely dealt and he just has to play Nickel to help out the secondary and hope someone up front can get home on the rush.  Hats off to the DL and LBs for still keeping other team's running games in check while playing that way.

 

[Sabertooth]

I agree with that.  Truth is Atlanta just beat us with one hand tied behind their back though.  Julio and Coleman are probably their two fastest players.  When it came down to crunch time, they cut through the Packers d like it was cool whip.  Which has long been s problem with the Capers D.  

 

[Pipes]

I think you can make that case for Mike for sure.  Ted, I just disagree with you a lot on that.

I agree with this though Ted is far from perfect.   I'm still not a fan of our Lacy and Starks only backfield going into the year.  Also last year inside LB was a disaster and a guy like Mason Foster, who had a solid year for the Skins, was on the scrap heap...I wish TT would do a little more to bring guys like that in.  Overall though I'm fine with him.

McCarthy's stubbornness running the same stuff on offense, without Jordy, really irritated me.  He was doing a bunch of the same old crap this year too though that Bears game gave me some hope on how he was using Cobb and particularly Montgomery that game.  I just wished it didn't take a massive amount of injuries for him to shake things up.

 

[Phenomena]

I agree with that.  Truth is Atlanta just beat us with one hand tied behind their back though.  Julio and Coleman are probably their two fastest players.  When it came down to crunch time, they cut through the Packers d like it was cool whip.  Which has long been s problem with the Capers D.  

Oh, F off man. Capers is one of the best defensive minds the game has seen over the past 20 years. 

The defense didn't have half of his starting lineup, including all three top cornerbacks and a future HoF outside linebacker.  A full 40% of our cap space this year was either on IR or sitting on the sidelines during that game, yet Rodgers was still up with 4 minutes to go.  I would take that every week given their injury constraints.

Sometimes teams lose, especially without their best players. There is nothing wrong with the coaching.

 

[Interseptopus]

Oh, F off man. Capers is one of the best defensive minds the game has seen over the past 20 years. 

I'll give you the injuries, but to say Capers has been one of the best over the past 20 years is an over statement. 

2016: 26th in YPG
2015: 15th
2014: 18th
2013: 8th
2012: 22nd
2011: 1st (superbowl)
2010: 28th
2009: 31st

So really, Dom Capers has had 2 good seasons, the rest have been ho-hum to down right bad.

Can only blame injuries for so long. If Capers is such a defensive mastermind he should be able to make magic with whatever he's given. Bill Belichick is the greatest coach of this era, pains me to say that, and he seems like he can have anyone starting at QB, RB, WR and make them look great.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

No idea what that means.   I just try to hold people accountable.  Most fans don't.  The rah rah fans on this board think Mike and Ted and Aaron can do nothing wrong.  It makes me roll my eyes when fans have no objectivity.  

It makes my eyes roll when guys do nothing but complain about the guys in charge right now. Have you anything positive to say about this team? I'm plenty objective about this team. It is possible to be objective, yet still disagree with someone else. Guys that know way more than me about the game certainly disagreed with your assessment of Green Bay's backfield. Does that make me a fan that doesn't hold people accountable? Or maybe I just saw it the same way as plenty of others did. It's funny how you're the only one that is objective. 

Go read the Aaron Rodgers thread on this board. I had plenty of criticism for his level of play over the last year. It's all there.

Objectively, here's my assessment.

Green Bay will continue to be a draft and develop team. That means they will play younger, cheaper players year after year. It also means they'll have growing pains and cost themselves at times because they play younger players. It will cost them games, as we've seen. You likely take that as a weakness of Thompson's. I don't. Doesn't mean I'm not objective, just like the style.

However, the results they've had with this method speak for themselves. Go back and look at the record that Thompson has compiled. He hits. He misses. But this team is competitive every single year, plain and simple.

And Green Bay knows what has been proven. Just make it the playoffs, and anything can happen. Making it at 9-7 means jack squat if you win the Super Bowl. So, make the playoffs and give yourself a chance. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. 

 

[jurrassic]

A lot of emotional opinions in here.  Thompson and McCarthy aren't as bad as some claim, but they certainly aren't free from error or criticism.  The blind loyalty to both of them by some in here I will never understand.  If you criticize the coaching or some of the GM moves, it does not make you a bad fan.  It makes you an objective one.

The biggest frustration I have with Thompson is the sheer lack of impact players the Packers have on their roster.  Yes, they have may one of the best 1-53 man rosters in the league, according to scouts, analysts, etc. throughout the league, but like every sports league, the NFL is a star driven league won on talent.  How many top 5 players at their position do the Packers have? Rodgers, Matthews, Lang, Daniels and.......... 

 

[sho nuff]

It makes my eyes roll when guys do nothing but complain about the guys in charge right now. Have you anything positive to say about this team? I'm plenty objective about this team. It is possible to be objective, yet still disagree with someone else. Guys that know way more than me about the game certainly disagreed with your assessment of Green Bay's backfield. Does that make me a fan that doesn't hold people accountable? Or maybe I just saw it the same way as plenty of others did. It's funny how you're the only one that is objective. 

Go read the Aaron Rodgers thread on this board. I had plenty of criticism for his level of play over the last year. It's all there.

Objectively, here's my assessment.

Green Bay will continue to be a draft and develop team. That means they will play younger, cheaper players year after year. It also means they'll have growing pains and cost themselves at times because they play younger players. It will cost them games, as we've seen. You likely take that as a weakness of Thompson's. I don't. Doesn't mean I'm not objective, just like the style.

However, the results they've had with this method speak for themselves. Go back and look at the record that Thompson has compiled. He hits. He misses. But this team is competitive every single year, plain and simple.

And Green Bay knows what has been proven. Just make it the playoffs, and anything can happen. Making it at 9-7 means jack squat if you win the Super Bowl. So, make the playoffs and give yourself a chance. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. 

Exactly...we have all been critical.  Almost all of us were critical of Rodgers play over the last year.  Seeing that he was a part of the problem as well as the lack of weapons with injuries that hit.

Im sure we would all love more titles...but damn, Id rather cheer for a team that is in the playoffs every year with a legit shot at more...than a that shoots its wad one year...then craps out for 3-4 doing very little to nothing.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

 shoots its wad one year...then craps out for 3-4 doing very little to nothing.

To be fair, Chicago/Detroit/Minnesota typically do nothing for longer than 4 years at a time.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

A lot of emotional opinions in here.  Thompson and McCarthy aren't as bad as some claim, but they certainly aren't free from error or criticism.  The blind loyalty to both of them by some in here I will never understand.  If you criticize the coaching or some of the GM moves, it does not make you a bad fan.  It makes you an objective one.

The biggest frustration I have with Thompson is the sheer lack of impact players the Packers have on their roster.  Yes, they have may one of the best 1-53 man rosters in the league, according to scouts, analysts, etc. throughout the league, but like every sports league, the NFL is a star driven league won on talent.  How many top 5 players at their position do the Packers have? Rodgers, Matthews, Lang, Daniels and.......... 

Can't disagree. But sometimes criticism just goes way too far the other direction.

You bring up an interesting point about impact players. I'll take it a step further and say it's a QB driven league. You have one or you don't. If you have one, you can win games. If you don't, you're the Browns. The Browns have impact players, like Thomas and Haden. But they haven't had a legit QB in years, as their record shows. And what about the Texans? Paid Watt a ton, I don't see them being a great team, largely because of QB play.

Now, we all thought we had one of those top shelf QBs. However, Rodgers hasn't been showing that, consistently, for quite a while. If the Atlanta game is an indication, maybe he's rediscovering it. For Green Bay's sake, I hope that's the case, or it's going to be a long season form here on out.

As I stated above, Thompson hits some and misses some. But like them, I'm probably way more patient that most fans when it comes to young players developing. I don't expect Randall and Rollins to be all pros in year 2. I expect to see more growing pains, especially with guys switching from safety to corner. But with that patience, you hope to see rewards down the road. Like with Nick Collins, and Nick Perry, and Jordy Nelson, and Jermichael Finley, and Randall Cobb.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

If Ted Thompson traded Chandler Jones for Jonathan Cooper then cut Cooper, Sabertooth might have spontaneously combusted.

 

[sho nuff]

And is it bad to only have 4 top 5 players at their position ? 

What teams lately have more than that?

Is Bulaga close to a top 5 RT?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Ty Montgomery dealing with sickle cell trait, for those questioning his ability to take big hits. Not really relate to that.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/10/31/ty-montgomery-dealing-sickle-cell-trait/93082702/

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

And is it bad to only have 4 top 5 players at their position ? 

What teams lately have more than that?

Is Bulaga close to a top 5 RT?

I'd say Bakhtiari is knocking on that door as well:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-should-packers-spend-on-josh-sitton-t-j-lang-or-david-bakhtiari/

In 2015, he earned a pass-blocking grade of 85.5, which was good for 10th-best among NFL LTs. He was especially consistent the last half of 2015, where his 96.6 pass-blocking efficiency from Week 8 and on was tied for third-best among LTs. His main weakness, however, is his run-blocking ability, something that hasn’t improved since his rookie season. While there are certainly left tackles worse at run-blocking than Bakhtiari, his 40.6 run-blocking grade in 2015 was nothing to brag about.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Not that PFF is the end-all be-all but they did have both Burnett and Clinton-Dix in the top 10 safeties last year.

 

[Sabertooth]

Ty Montgomery dealing with sickle cell trait, for those questioning his ability to take big hits. Not really relate to that.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/10/31/ty-montgomery-dealing-sickle-cell-trait/93082702/

Well hopefully he's ok.   I still worry about his ability to hold up to a pounding.  He's definitely got to try to keep his pads down.

 

[Sabertooth]

Not that PFF is the end-all be-all but they did have both Burnett and Clinton-Dix in the top 10 safeties last year.

I could see that.  I like both the safeties well enough.  

Love Rodgers - would not want any other QB.

Love the offensive line, have done well rushing and passing this season.  Eddie was killing it.  

I think the WR/TE corp is the slightly improved from last year.  I like Adams' development.  I think Cobb is very good and could have a huge playoffs.  I think Jordy is probably past him prime a touch (still capable of 1200 yards but maybe not 1500 like 2014.   The young guys are going to have to duke it out.  I think TY is comfortably ahead of the other guys.  Solid unit top to bottom (especially as Jordy improves in health and mind).

Love the front 7.  Corners are an achilles heal on what I think can be one of the best in the NFL, maybe theeeee best.  I think this defense handles Luck.  I think they handle the Titans too.   I expect two wins coming up in the next two.

They'll be 6-3 by that point.   According to this about 74% of teams make the playoffs with that record through 9 games.  I think that bodes well.  It's nice actually that they get to play the Skins and Eagles.  Those are teams they need to gain seeding on.  

 

[Rodrigo Duterte]

Well hopefully he's ok.   I still worry about his ability to hold up to a pounding.  He's definitely got to try to keep his pads down.

lol

 

[sho nuff]

I could see that.  I like both the safeties well enough.  

Love Rodgers - would not want any other QB.

Love the offensive line, have done well rushing and passing this season.  Eddie was killing it.  

I think the WR/TE corp is the slightly improved from last year.  I like Adams' development.  I think Cobb is very good and could have a huge playoffs.  I think Jordy is probably past him prime a touch (still capable of 1200 yards but maybe not 1500 like 2014.   The young guys are going to have to duke it out.  I think TY is comfortably ahead of the other guys.  Solid unit top to bottom (especially as Jordy improves in health and mind).

Love the front 7.  Corners are an achilles heal on what I think can be one of the best in the NFL, maybe theeeee best.  I think this defense handles Luck.  I think they handle the Titans too.   I expect two wins coming up in the next two.

They'll be 6-3 by that point.   According to this about 74% of teams make the playoffs with that record through 9 games.  I think that bodes well.  It's nice actually that they get to play the Skins and Eagles.  Those are teams they need to gain seeding on.  

So wait...TT and MM suck...but the Oline is an improvement ,  WRs improved, Front 7 improved. and the weak spot has injuries to the top 3 at that position?

 

[Sabertooth]

Pretty much.  

 

[Interseptopus]

So wait...TT and MM suck...but the Oline is an improvement ,  WRs improved, Front 7 improved. and the weak spot has injuries to the top 3 at that position?

it's actually quite accurate, minus TT IMO

if our DBs are healthy we probably have 2-3 losses and have a top 5 defense in the league. 

 

[sho nuff]

it's actually quite accurate, minus TT IMO

if our DBs are healthy we probably have 2-3 losses and have a top 5 defense in the league. 

That seems to then pretty much wipe out his premise  of TT not being good.

Hell, with the injuries lately, McCarthy may be doing his best work since the Super Bowl run.

 

[Interseptopus]

That seems to then pretty much wipe out his premise  of TT not being good.

Hell, with the injuries lately, McCarthy may be doing his best work since the Super Bowl run.

true. I'm just fickle and ready for a change at head coach. getting tired watching the same team year after year, like we don't learn from our shortcomings

 

[The Kerminator]

Thank you for making my point.  In 2010 we won the Super Bowl.  Now the team is hopefully 9-7.  Great improvement.  

Do you realize that in 2010 the Packers were at one point 4-3? Same as this year. That year they finished 10-6 and won the Super Bowl as a wildcard team. They also had a lot of injuries that year.

 

[The Kerminator]

I agree with that.  Truth is Atlanta just beat us with one hand tied behind their back though.  Julio and Coleman are probably their two fastest players.  When it came down to crunch time, they cut through the Packers d like it was cool whip.  Which has long been s problem with the Capers D.  

Just a question. This is the second time you've stated that Atlanta won despite missing Julio. You seem to give Atlanta a lot of credit for winning without their best player. But you don't give GB any credit for being in that game and if they make the interception late they win. This despite them missing 7, seven!, starters. Can they do anything right for you?

 

[Sabertooth]

it's actually quite accurate, minus TT IMO

if our DBs are healthy we probably have 2-3 losses and have a top 5 defense in the league. 

What about Damarion's Randall's play makes you think he's worthy of improving this defense.  He's not an improvement unfortunately but he will help the depth.  

 

[Sabertooth]

That seems to then pretty much wipe out his premise  of TT not being good.

Hell, with the injuries lately, McCarthy may be doing his best work since the Super Bowl run.

I'd say Ted is good but not great.  His handling of the running back situation is downright terrible this season though, no?  

 

[Interseptopus]

What about Damarion's Randall's play makes you think he's worthy of improving this defense.  He's not an improvement unfortunately but he will help the depth.  

he's raw but considering that he's pretty good imo. we've had a lot worse start for the Packers in recent years 

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm not sure.  He plays so soft.  He seems to always be confused and let's other guys make the tackles.  I don't have a lot of hope for him.  I do hope I'm wrong about him.  

 

[Sabertooth]

Do you realize that in 2010 the Packers were at one point 4-3? Same as this year. That year they finished 10-6 and won the Super Bowl as a wildcard team. They also had a lot of injuries that year.

Here's hoping.  

 

[Sabertooth]

Just a question. This is the second time you've stated that Atlanta won despite missing Julio. You seem to give Atlanta a lot of credit for winning without their best player. But you don't give GB any credit for being in that game and if they make the interception late they win. This despite them missing 7, seven!, starters. Can they do anything right for you?

Every team has injuries (not as many as the packers on average but I digress). Football is a meritocracy.  Anything short of winning is losing.  

The only team with a winning record they have beaten is the Giants.  

Right now they are 4-3 against the easiest preseason schedule on the NFL.  I'm just not sure how good this team really is.  

 

[sho nuff]

Preseason strength of schedule is meaningless . 

 

[Sabertooth]

I agree.  However I couldnt find a current strength of schedule.  I looked around a bit.  Like I said they've only beaten one winning team.  They've lost to all three playoff contenders they have played.  

 

[sho nuff]

I agree.  However I couldnt find a current strength of schedule.  I looked around a bit.  Like I said they've only beaten one winning team.  They've lost to all three playoff contenders they have played.  

Sure...2 of them on the road.  And one of those...seems to be falling quite a bit down the NFC rankings if Monday night is any indication of how they are doing.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeah but we can't keep losing to the teams we are fighting for the wildcard.  To do anything we need to win 3 of our next 4, especially Washington and Philly.  

 

[Sabertooth]

Sure...2 of them on the road.  And one of those...seems to be falling quite a bit down the NFC rankings if Monday night is any indication of how they are doing.

I don't put a lot of stock in home vs away.