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sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes...because Allison and UDFA's are no sure thing either. We had a need for depth at WR, along with possibly a return man. Things Davis was supposed to be.
Some late 6th round corner who would have likely been buried on the depth chart or maybe a PS player...or the same at RB was somehow a great pick now?
Come on...thats pretty weak there.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
That 6th round CB would be practicing with the starters this morning instead of an UDFA
I would have liked to see D. Washington in the 6th round instead of Davis. We needed a returner but we did have Abby, and Ty, and Hyde.
I think a 6th round CB buried on the depth chart would be more valuable than a 6th round WR on a team stacked at WR
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Or that 6th rounder would have been on the PS all year...gotten cut to make room for someone else...and never be heard from again.
Abby who is cut and hurt (glad we didn't just rely on that no matter how much I liked the kid)...Ty who needs to not be on returns right now as far as Im concerned and ditto with Hyde (given the injuries in the secondary).
Id guess that if and when Cobb is healthy...Hyde won't be out there catching punts.
The team was not stacked at WR. We had Jordy coming back from injury and had question marks. Cobb who showed he was not a #1 but had value in the slot. Adams who struggled through his 2nd year. Abby and Janis who amounted to so little last year and now one is cut/hurt and the other barely sees the field because he still doesn't have the grasp of the offense or trust from Rodgers.
It looks great because Jordy has worked back...Adams had a great year...and Allison surprised from the UDFA (and TT gets so little credit for that stuff too).
Edit...the point is...he went with more depth at WR. THought they were covered at RB. Had they gone your way...the injuries just as easily could have hit WR rather than CB and RB...then people would complain that TT did nothing to cover for WR injuries the year after the depth there was shown to not be that good.
There is simply no pleasing some people.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
At the end of the day it isn't that I think some 6th round RB or CB would be tearing up the league. It's that it's such an afterthought for Thompson that he thinks a roster with Nelson, Cobb, Montgomery, Adams, Janis, and Abbrederis needed another WR to the mix. Going into the season I did not think WR was something we needed to address at all. Maybe with an UDFA but not really in the draft. Davis was drafted to be a returner, not a WR... so your point about WR not being a lock is moot in this case. I don't think Davis was expected to contribute at all at WR. Instead he just muffs punts.
Meanwhile a RB stable of Lacy and Starks warranted nothing. And a CB group of oft-injured Shields, Randall, Rollins and really nothing after them needed nothing.
Again, I don't think anyone they would have selected would be a probowler, but "it's the thought that counts" is what makes me frustrated. He ignores areas that we are not as deep at but falls over himself to select WRs every year.
I honestly think that Allison's success has more to do with Rodgers than Allison being a really good WR. Although I admit that catch in the endzone vs Detroit was a very very good catch, and he had a great game. He does look talented. But if he were on the Dolphins he'd looks like JAG. I will give Thompson credit on finding a lot of gems in the UDFA market. Without them I don't know how competitive we'd have been in our history.
Anyone want to bet against Thompson selecting another WR this draft?
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
This strikes me as a pretty high level of 20/20 hindsight, if you're saying what I think you are. Yes, if I could go back in time and hand-pick players based on what we know today, I would probably do it somewhat differently. They signed Brice and Dorleant as UDFAs, and probably a few other guys. Who really knows which of these guys will work out and which won't? Who can predict injuries?Dr. Brew said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
But they did need WRs in that mix...Allison is producing but holy complaints had he relied on an UDFA to get that done and it didn't work.Dr. Brew said:
I don't think its an afterthought...I think they knew Cobb and Montgomery were going to be depth at RB. I don't think they suspected Lacy would be lost for the year and Starks for a long period plus him dropping off the planet (he had a nice year last year and there was no reason to suspect that). Add that with PS guys they have had around and liked in camp...
I think Davis was supposed to contribute some at WR plus the return game.
To claim nothing after the first CBs is also revisionist history. They loved Gunter last year and he had a year under his belt. They felt good with the talent of the 2nd year guys. So going 4ish deep with guys like liked. Add in Hyde being versatile plus Goodson (also IRd).
The thought? They spent picks and time with UDFA's last year on CB...they are going deep with guys hurt right now...to claim they didn't think about it or try to address is simply not a factual statement.
I think Allison is a decent WR...but he has one thing you need ion this team...the trust of #12. Its what Janis simply can't get.
Depending on what happens in the offseason...WR won't be a bad idea. Do they move on from Cobb. Jordy is not getting any younger. What will they do long term with Montgomery.
If you go in to the draft with Monty at RB, Cobb released...you are looking at depth of Jordy (getting on in years), Adams (contract will become a thing soon), Allison, Janis, Davis.
Looking at that...would you not address WR? Or wait until after to complain that they did nothing?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
At the time I wasn't a big fan of drafting a WR. We are fine at WR, we don't need more depth. WR is probably the one position I think we have the MOST depth at. Going into the season, after the draft, OL was second. Which is why getting rid of Sitton actually worked out quite well. Kudos to TT for making that move. He made some bold moves early that I deferred to "In Ted We Trust".
I just wish Thompson would show some attention to areas we are not as deep at. RB would have been great. Yes, Starks didn't look terrible last year but he was on the wrong side of 30 and Lacy loves the buffet. Randall and Rollins were unproven, hoping to take the next step, and Shields has a permanent table in the training room.
For me, CB is a sore topic because I have been asking Thompson to address it for years and finally he does and then runs away from it again. In 2010 we had a scarey corners. I really think this is one thing preventing us from being a super bowl shoe-in. People say that a pass rush helps the CBs... yes, but even with a good DL in recent years we've seen the same old same old- WRs wide open in the middle of the field.
Maybe I'm a little ridiculous on this mindset, but I just find it difficult to see us trot out no-name guys every season at CB because our CBs get hurt all the time. No one can predict it, but you can come pretty close to saying GB will be starting its 3-4th corners as its 1-2 at some point during the season. Seems to have been true the last several years. Again, I'd draft a CB every draft, even if it was round 7, just to keep the depth
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Forgot Goodson. Hyde should stay at safety. Hate seeing him play CB... he's more effective at safety. But it helps with a swiss army knife like him.
Not a big fan of Gunter.
I agree about Janis not having Rodgers' trust. You hit that on the head.
Cobb isn't a FA is he? I didn't think he was... I thought his contract was actually quite team-friendly. If you get rid of Cobb and you move Monty to RB then yes you have to draft a WR. Probably high and much to my disappointment lol
Interseptopus
Footballguy
If Monty was in the plans all along at RB then I give Thompson a lot of credit. I have some information that makes me wonder otherwise but props to them seeing some potential in him. Cobb I do believe was an emergency option heading into the year. He's obviously fallen quite far... you have to wonder if he'll have a James Jones/Greg Jennings type career once GB does move on.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't know whether it was a pinched nerve, a disk dislocation, a disc rupture, a cracked transverse process or what. I tend to think it was a bit of a slipped disc with a resulting 'stinger' and that all is probably fine. I think this from the fall as I saw it and his return to the facility without apparent supporting prosthesis or surgery scheduled.Man in the yellow hat said:
I do know we need all hands on deck. We have gotten beyond thin.
The Claymaker
Footballguy
Hopefully someone steps up, Im still not sure why Dorleant isn't at least getting more PT. Unless he just totally sucks in practice, really tired of seeing our db's chasing behind every teams fast wr'ers.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
If Thompson was really doing "nothing" then you really should be demanding that Murphy and really the entire board be terminated. Is Tom Bratz available? Surely there are plenty of unemployed GMs available who can consistently win Super Bowls.The Claymaker said:
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I didn't see anything on that play TBH.
You can't dislocate a disc.... that would be probably paralysis. He could have spondylosis... unlikely though. It's possible that he just had some trauma to the neck and had some neural issues in his arms/legs and that's why they took the precautions. They probably ran some cold saline through the spinal column which is what is helping to save people with spinal cord injuries.
Central Cord syndrome is very possible in this case. He'd have numbness and weakness in his arms but his legs would be perfectly fine. If this is the case it'll get better with time. He probably wouldn't play this week if this was the case.
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Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
I have zero problem with the Trevor Davis pick. I was completely fine with Gunter, Randall, Rollins, Hyde heading into this season behind Shields. It didn't work out, that happens. But everyone believed there was talent here heading into the season. I still believe there is talent.Dr. Brew said:
Again, Detroit went the vet route. They might've been even worse off than Green Bay once Slay went down.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I think a lot of us see Thompson getting up there in age and we don't want both of our young executives in the making to go the route of Reggie McKenzie.
You keep giving away the pantry because what's on your stove is great, eventually you have an empty pantry. I think TT does a better job than most GMs but he is getting up there and it'd be nice to know what GB's plans are going forward. I'd hate to see more young front office talent move on. Not saying we need to fire him for a young unproven, but at some point you have to move on to your young guy waiting in the wings. Worked out with Rodgers...
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Surely there is a succession plan in place. If not, then the club is truly succeeding in spite of incompetence at the board level. I have no concerns that we, as armchair fans, don't know what the plan is and would never expect to know.
We had a horrible 20 year experience in the 70s and 80s. It was not just bad teams losing games, getting routinely stomped by the Bears and Vikings, but embarrassing things going on constantly with the players and club management. Lambeau was honestly a crappy place to see a game, ridiculed throughout the league. County Stadium in Milwaukee was one of the few places considered a worse venue than Lambeau. To transform that situation into what we have now and what we've experienced the past 20 years is a great accomplishment - Harlan/Wolf and Murphy/Thompson are to thank for that.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Forgive my lazy use of terms. comes from not being a trained medical professional. At one time the common parlance would speak of slipped or dislocated disks when they really meant herniated or prolapsed, as I understand matters. I appreciate that protrusion is likely different in correct medical terms from being dislocated. Good to know we have some more medical brains on the site. Jene Brammel cannot handle all the corrections.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Perhaps TT would consider some sort of consulting position. If memory serves Wolfe Sr. had such a position during Thompsons first year or two to ease the transition.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
That would be best of both worlds IMO. I do think many people in here make great points and I'm first to admit that I'm spoiled as a Packer fan and am probably one of those who will never be happy unless we win a superbowl 5 years in a row. And it's easy to play 20/20 hindsight GM. But it's been hard watching them getting dissected in the air year in and year out. This was supposed to be a better year and injuries were terrible
sho nuff
Footballguy
In a perfect world Hyde and Burnett would keep playing hybrid S and LB roles. Rather than have to cover for the injuries at CB. I think part of Ha Ha struggling last game was covering for others having to play out of position. (Similar to why Burnett looked worse before HaHa...put a competent guy next to them and they both look better)
Cobb isn't an FA...but has a high price tag and are they getting that type of return out of him? Team friendly...but still a decent cap hit. Love his versatility...but his availability seems suspect and Jordy appears destined for more slot work.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Think of disc anatomy as such: A gel-like center and wrapped in a ligament
There are several stages of a disc injury
Degeneration: Some of the liquid inside is not as plentiful, the disc has lost some height. I call this natural aging of the spine... we all have it... don't freak out if you ever see it on an x-ray or MRI. Please. 40% of 30 year olds have it and no pain, and so on as you go up in 10 year increments roughly 10% increase as well. Degneration is weakening from the aging process.
Protrusion: Where some of the liquid center is pushed outward, creating a bulge in the disc. Can mildly pinch the spinal column or an exiting nerve. The ligament is not damaged, but rather stretched in this scenario
Herniation: Same as above but the ligament is now torn to some degree but the gel is contained within the disc yet. It has not leaked out. This is a larger bulge
Sequestration: The liquid/gel has now exited the disc and is in the spinal column. This will be quite painful but will eventually be reabsorbed by the body and the disc will have lost all of it's height on an x-ray or MRI.
Commonly used terms that really don't exist but are used all the time were slipped or dislocated disc. You're right, they are commonly used to define a protrusion or herniation. These are poor terms and often taken literally by folks not in medicine. Anatomically this is somewhat impossible, at least without some bizarre scenario. I like to think of it as the same as when a patient tells me their "rotary cup" hurts. I try not to be arrogant about terms like this, but the more I can educate the general population, and especially football enthusiasts, I think it goes a long way toward people understanding what's actually happening and forming educated opinions on injuries.
I would really be curious if Rollins suffered a central cord injury... I thought Finley had a similar injury way back when. If I remember correctly he was struck directly on top of his helmet and suffered an injury that way. Career ender for him. This did not look as bad because it was a very minimal amount of his body weight on his head. But spinal cord bruises are nothing to scoff at, and one that we know all too well in GB (Collins, Finley, Murphey)
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I think its great that fans here have high expectations and keep these guys on their toes. Any complacency in the NFL will show up quickly in the Ws and Ls. I enjoy message board banter as well.
In my profession, I'm often judged in hindsight by the results I've achieved without regard to the process I went through to get there. That's something I can accept, even if its maddening that those judging almost never have any idea the reasons behind the paths that were taken or what went into the result we achieved. As I'm not there with McCarthy and Thompson day to day and have no idea what they are doing, my approach is to judge them on results only and not make assumptions about the decisions they are making along the way and I think that's the only fair way. Ray Rhodes was fired after a single 8-8 season. That seems unfair in a vacuum, since Homgren, McCarthy and others have done worse but are local legends. Wolf said he fired Rhodes not because of the record, but because Wolf attended practices, game-planning sessions, gameday on the sidelines, spoke with staff and made his decision on that basis. None of us have that luxury or that level of info, so I think we have very little basis on which to judge performance, other than Ws and Ls. That's not to say it isn't fun to banter - that's what being a fan is all about.
In my profession, I'm often judged in hindsight by the results I've achieved without regard to the process I went through to get there. That's something I can accept, even if its maddening that those judging almost never have any idea the reasons behind the paths that were taken or what went into the result we achieved. As I'm not there with McCarthy and Thompson day to day and have no idea what they are doing, my approach is to judge them on results only and not make assumptions about the decisions they are making along the way and I think that's the only fair way. Ray Rhodes was fired after a single 8-8 season. That seems unfair in a vacuum, since Homgren, McCarthy and others have done worse but are local legends. Wolf said he fired Rhodes not because of the record, but because Wolf attended practices, game-planning sessions, gameday on the sidelines, spoke with staff and made his decision on that basis. None of us have that luxury or that level of info, so I think we have very little basis on which to judge performance, other than Ws and Ls. That's not to say it isn't fun to banter - that's what being a fan is all about.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Isn't that what the recent Rappoport article was about? About some emeritus role? The problem is they did that with Wolf and Harlan and there was talk that their voice was not taken as seriously,
listened to a ton of sports talk before all of the Sunday games (car ride from Wisconsin to Tennessee) and this was a topic. There is also speculation that it's not Wolf but possibly Russ Ball as the successor? Ball seems to have a wide array of experience...player, coach, and in personnel.
I think a plan is there...but we won't hear much of what it is.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
That's pretty easy to say now but had the WR group been hit as hard with injuries this year as the DBs were, then you'd want that 6th round WR. That whole hindsight being 20/20 thingDr. Brew said:
The Kerminator
Footballguy
There is a succession plan in place. Mark Murphy has said so previously. No hints of what it is though. Not sure if it would be Eliot Wolf. If it is him, would they even allow him to interview in SF. If Wolf knew he was the likely successor, would he even agree to interview in SF? Hate to lose Wolf if he does find a GM job but it is to be expected when you are a successful franchise.
Thinking about this today. How many TT assistants have moved on to GM roles? Schneider in SEA. McKenzie in OAK. Dorsey in KC. All three in the playoffs. Anybody else?
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
If I recall correctly, and I may not, at least one of Collins, Finley, and or Murphy had a spinal stenosis, a more congenital condition requiring extra caution. Sterling Sharpe did as well to my recollection.
Me personally, I have no medical education though I do have a rather colorful orthopedic history personally so I am not completely unfamiliar with some of the terms. My original post was not meant as medical expertise so I did not endeavor to use proper terms, but rather expressions in the common vernacular. Having played some football, and having trained and competed in judo for many years before "retiring" to the more relaxed practice of Akido, and having experience a fair number of traumatic accidents I have some familiarity with the sensation of a herniated disc and have experienced cracked transverse processes as well as some less traumatic pressures on my neck and back. I merely meant to convey that I did not see unusual apparent trauma in his injury. His head was a little to the side as he rolled over, but nothing I have not seen a million times. I was hoping he got what we colloquially refer to as a stinger, and perhaps having not experienced one before was extra cautious. It can be quite painful and very disconcerting to experience and he may have had an experience well beyond my ability to relate.
Anyhow, as I said, good to have an educated voice on these matters. Educate me any time you are willing to. I gladly accept the gift of the training, education and experience of others.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Id have to look into it...but I think there is one more.
Almost all got starts with Wolf...but did the majority of their work under TT.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I've been banging thet Randall drum for over a year. It's pretty evident that he stinks even when healthy.Man in the yellow hat said:
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
It was nothing I haven't seen before either. That's why I was surprised. I was in the same boat as you, I thought maybe he broke something. Since they have to do more resting and so forth I think he had some neural symptoms. Would just need to wait for them to go away and swelling wherever there is swelling to decrease. Anyone's guess is as good as mine if that's the case.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
You can keep beating the drum, that's fine. PFF ranked him as the 63rd corner last year, as a rookie. That puts him as a low end starting CB, as a rookie. I'd say that was a solid start to his career.
PFT also had him as the rookie of the month for November of '15. You expected then that he'd get worse from last year? I know you hate the guy, but objectively looking at it, he wasn't terrible as a rookie. They had evidence he was OK and felt he would likely improve based on his athletic potential and experience.
Again, Thompson could be wrong. Plenty of examples of players taking a couple of years to figure it out in Green Bay, especially guys that have mid-season surgery. We've all seen what you've pointed out on his lack of 'want to.' I'm not sure that type of attitude can be fixed. I'm willing to give him another year to see. If it persists next season, then you move on.
And my point remains. Going the vet route guarantees nothing. Detroit tried vets to fill in for their secondary. It didn't go any better. Play the younger guys and live with it until you know for sure what you have.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Maybe he was hurt. But my criticism has always been his lack of willingness to tackle and his habit of looking around in disbelief every time he gets burned (often). I think this point to him lacking the maturity and mental toughness to play in the NFL. Physically I think he checks the boxes. Mentally, he's a soft player who doesn't appear to accept blame.
He's also no assignment sure. Don't forget he blew the Fitzgerald coverage that cost the Packers the game in the playoffs last year. I think his problem, quite frankly, is that he's a little #####.
He's also no assignment sure. Don't forget he blew the Fitzgerald coverage that cost the Packers the game in the playoffs last year. I think his problem, quite frankly, is that he's a little #####.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
For reference, I looked up the PFF CB rankings for last year's first round. I'd say Randall seemed just fine by comparison. And of note is that Quinten Rollins graded out better than all of them.
Pick 11 Trae Waynes was 99.
Pick 16 Kevin Johnson was 57.
Pick 18 Marcus Peters was 57.
Pick 27 Byron Jones was 48.
Pick 30 Demarious Randall was 63.
Pick 62 Quinten Rollins was 22.
Pick 11 Trae Waynes was 99.
Pick 16 Kevin Johnson was 57.
Pick 18 Marcus Peters was 57.
Pick 27 Byron Jones was 48.
Pick 30 Demarious Randall was 63.
Pick 62 Quinten Rollins was 22.
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Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
There is something to this for sure. I've noticed it more, something I wasn't paying attention to prior to you bringing it up. It is happening. Maybe I'm just too optimistic that guys can figure it out. I've been wrong before.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
And the last point I'll make on this. My comments are more directed to the Thompson did nothing crowd when it comes to the secondary. Thompson spent high picks on Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Randall, and Rollins over the last few years. That's a lot more than not doing anything. Randall may end up busting out. I wouldn't be surprised. But they had evidence he was at least an average NFL player based on his rookie season.
And I keep going back to this, but this was a highly regarded, albeit young, secondary heading into the season. Who knows where it goes from here, but much like the Green Bay front office, I felt just fine about it heading into the season. It's possible they are very, very wrong.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-2016-cheat-sheet-green-bay-packers/
2. The Packers boast a burgeoning young secondary.
Not many teams can field a dime package without a single weakness in the secondary, but the Packers may employ just that in 2016. Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Sam Shields, Micah Hyde, and Quinten Rollins all graded out above-average a season ago, while rookie first-round pick Damarious Randall was right at average. While the Packers were one of the first teams to utilize nickel packages as their primary defense a few years back and 53.1 percent last season, they could lead the league in dime personnel this season after using it on 22.6 percent of their snaps in 2015.
And I keep going back to this, but this was a highly regarded, albeit young, secondary heading into the season. Who knows where it goes from here, but much like the Green Bay front office, I felt just fine about it heading into the season. It's possible they are very, very wrong.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-2016-cheat-sheet-green-bay-packers/
2. The Packers boast a burgeoning young secondary.
Not many teams can field a dime package without a single weakness in the secondary, but the Packers may employ just that in 2016. Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Sam Shields, Micah Hyde, and Quinten Rollins all graded out above-average a season ago, while rookie first-round pick Damarious Randall was right at average. While the Packers were one of the first teams to utilize nickel packages as their primary defense a few years back and 53.1 percent last season, they could lead the league in dime personnel this season after using it on 22.6 percent of their snaps in 2015.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Good points
I can't refute it aside from I've never been a fan of Randall (just seems to avoid contact) or Shields (injury). I am very excited about Burnett and Ha Ha. Hyde I do like. Rollins I am excited about. After that I'm just not very impressed. It's a personal opinion. One that happens to be right in hindsight and due to injuries, so maybe that's why it's such a discussion.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I saw in a mock draft GB taking Taco Charlton... We need more ridiculous names on our team. Geronimo, Ha Ha, Taco, Christine
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Hyde is a very good Swiss army knife of a player.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I wonder what the percentage has been this season. I don't follow it closely, but it seems they very rarely line up 3-4 anymore and it sometimes seems their base defense is the dime, with Burnett often at ILB. Capers is going to have to earn his money this week.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I could welcome a "Burrito", an "Enchilada" or a "Chalupa", with or without a "Jer" affixed as a prefix, but not a "Taco".
The Claymaker
Footballguy
You guys see the tweet from Tillman?
I'm ready to Run the Table if y'all need some CB's @AaronRodgers12 #StillTryingToGetARingInRetirement
I would welcome him to the team if it was allowed.
I'm ready to Run the Table if y'all need some CB's @AaronRodgers12 #StillTryingToGetARingInRetirement
I would welcome him to the team if it was allowed.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Don't know if he has anything left but it could be worth a look at this point. I always liked that sneaky little ball-puncher.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Go get him Ted! Tillman has more talent in his left nut than Randall.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Yeah...hated playing against that guy but was a bear player I respected (Urlacher too)
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Lots of interesting chatter related to the Elliot Wolf situation and San Francisco. From Pete Doughery:
http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2017/01/04/dougherty-questions-swirl-over-wolfs-future/96154940/
"This week I learned from one NFL source that at least a couple of members of the Packers’ executive committee are concerned about losing Wolf and want him promoted to GM this offseason. In that scenario, Thompson would become an area scout or take an advisory role. Thompson is under contract through the 2018 season.
But if Murphy’s administration is like predecessor Bob Harlan’s, he goes to the executive committee when he’s ready to make that kind of move, not the other way around. So we'll see if Murphy agrees.
Let’s start by acknowledging what Thompson has done for this franchise. I know he has plenty of detractors out there, but let’s be real. He has put together a winning program that's now in the playoffs for the eighth straight season. Since he took over as GM in 2005, the Packers have the NFL’s fourth-best winning percentage (.617), behind only New England (.771), Indianapolis (.656) and Pittsburgh (.635). And he drafted Aaron Rodgers, which alone is a foundation for winning for another five years or more. For whatever criticisms of him are warranted, he has been a very good GM.
Let’s also acknowledge that there’s no way to know how Wolf would perform in that role. There’s no knowing until he sits in the captain’s chair."
http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2017/01/04/dougherty-questions-swirl-over-wolfs-future/96154940/
"This week I learned from one NFL source that at least a couple of members of the Packers’ executive committee are concerned about losing Wolf and want him promoted to GM this offseason. In that scenario, Thompson would become an area scout or take an advisory role. Thompson is under contract through the 2018 season.
But if Murphy’s administration is like predecessor Bob Harlan’s, he goes to the executive committee when he’s ready to make that kind of move, not the other way around. So we'll see if Murphy agrees.
Let’s start by acknowledging what Thompson has done for this franchise. I know he has plenty of detractors out there, but let’s be real. He has put together a winning program that's now in the playoffs for the eighth straight season. Since he took over as GM in 2005, the Packers have the NFL’s fourth-best winning percentage (.617), behind only New England (.771), Indianapolis (.656) and Pittsburgh (.635). And he drafted Aaron Rodgers, which alone is a foundation for winning for another five years or more. For whatever criticisms of him are warranted, he has been a very good GM.
Let’s also acknowledge that there’s no way to know how Wolf would perform in that role. There’s no knowing until he sits in the captain’s chair."
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
He's better than average as many have proven with hit/miss percentages. And you can't argue with the results over his tenure. 4th best winning percentage... obviously he's one of the best. Yes, I know, I am changing course big time on that based off statements in this very thread from earlier this season. I'm a stats guy and when you put stats in front of me saying we are the 4th winningest team since he took over... can't argue with that. I still would like him to go so we can move to someone younger, but I do appreciate what he's done so far.
To paraphrase from a Thompson ideology, you cannot sacrifice the future for now. I think this holds true for the front office as with players. We don't know what the next guy will bring. Maybe he is terrible. We don't know. We didn't know with Rodgers. You'll never know what the next guy will bring. Yes, if Thompson wants to do this for another 5 seasons then fine, as long as he is still good at it. But if he's thinking of maybe 1 or 2 more seasons it would make sense to try and keep at least one successor in the wings ready. If you let them all go we will end up raiding someone else's pantry instead of dipping into what has worked for us for quite some time now, and proven to be successful across the league.
Great article. I think he hit on some great points on both sides of the issue. That's how an article like this should be written.
To paraphrase from a Thompson ideology, you cannot sacrifice the future for now. I think this holds true for the front office as with players. We don't know what the next guy will bring. Maybe he is terrible. We don't know. We didn't know with Rodgers. You'll never know what the next guy will bring. Yes, if Thompson wants to do this for another 5 seasons then fine, as long as he is still good at it. But if he's thinking of maybe 1 or 2 more seasons it would make sense to try and keep at least one successor in the wings ready. If you let them all go we will end up raiding someone else's pantry instead of dipping into what has worked for us for quite some time now, and proven to be successful across the league.
Great article. I think he hit on some great points on both sides of the issue. That's how an article like this should be written.
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