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2016 Oakland Raiders thread (1 Viewer)
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Hankmoody
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Agree. I love the guy but carrying two FB would be a mistake. He brings some unique skills to the offense with his catching skills but I think the coaching staff prefers what Ozawale brings instead.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
kaso
Footballguy
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
http://presnapreads.com/2016/09/24/kirk-cousins-derek-carr-brock-osweiler-and-the-gaps-in-evaluating-efficiency/
Breakdown of Carr's deficiencies. Same as what they were saying when he was in the draft IIRC.
Breakdown of Carr's deficiencies. Same as what they were saying when he was in the draft IIRC.
massraider
Footballguy
Dumervil returns this week, and Alexander at RT.
Ravens LT and LG both banged up.
This one will be decided in the trenches.
Ravens LT and LG both banged up.
This one will be decided in the trenches.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I think I remember during the WK3 game broadcast the announcers saying that only the Rams (37,072 miles) are travelling more than the Raiders (31,580) this year (and likely only because of their WK 7 London trip that adds about 10K miles to their schedule). Raiders are travelling about 3K+ more miles than the next West Coast team, the Seahawks (27,724).
It is surprising that the NFL allowed a dispensation for the Raiders to stay East, but the team seems clearly disadvantaged in terms of total miles traveled versus other WC teams (49ers and Chargers are both <25K miles this year).
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
What makes you say that? Serious question -- I didn't get to see the game this week.LawFitz said:
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Ravens fan here.
Baltimore has not played well. They beat 3 poor teams by a combined 13 points and needed some luck to do that.
The Ravens can not run the ball - Forsett looks old and West is just a guy.
Flacco has been ok, but throwing 45 times a game probably isn't the best recipe for success.
The defense has been pretty good, but again - Buffalo, Cleveland, and Jacksonville. Weddle seems to have made a big difference and getting Dumervil back should help.
Baltimore has not played well. They beat 3 poor teams by a combined 13 points and needed some luck to do that.
The Ravens can not run the ball - Forsett looks old and West is just a guy.
Flacco has been ok, but throwing 45 times a game probably isn't the best recipe for success.
The defense has been pretty good, but again - Buffalo, Cleveland, and Jacksonville. Weddle seems to have made a big difference and getting Dumervil back should help.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Victory O Baby
RaiderBones
Footballguy
It wasn't pretty, but a win is a win. 3-1. I haven't heard that in a long while.
Sarlakticacid
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
What are you talking about, that was a thing of beauty. Carr driving downfield like a hot knife through butter in the 2 minute drill, a defensive stand with great pressure and big hits causing incompletions. Three straight road wins, two in a row in Eastern time zone. This is a game we find 4 ways to lose in days past, and 3 of them are UGLY. Gimmie a game like this any time when it's a Raider win.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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Solid, solid win.
Can't remember when we had last won 3 on the road in succession like this, and shows that the Raiders are not just able to score points (testament to revamping the line and the other acquired skill positions), but are able to hold a lead in close games and get it done - making it two weeks on the road now where they've held off late threats.
Still a lot to improve, but the team seems to know that and have the fire to hold themselves to a higher bar.
Still too early to see what consistency we have and would love way more efficiency and better execution. But we seem back, baby. And it feels good.
Can't remember when we had last won 3 on the road in succession like this, and shows that the Raiders are not just able to score points (testament to revamping the line and the other acquired skill positions), but are able to hold a lead in close games and get it done - making it two weeks on the road now where they've held off late threats.
Still a lot to improve, but the team seems to know that and have the fire to hold themselves to a higher bar.
Still too early to see what consistency we have and would love way more efficiency and better execution. But we seem back, baby. And it feels good.
BustedKnuckles
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I 
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massraider
Footballguy
So great. I've discovered the Raider bar here in NYC, and crazy game to watch there for the first time.
Watching Carr is fun, really. Not a young QB I would trade him for. Can make the argument for Luck, but not sure there is anything he's better at, and Carr is a better arm talent . His confidence is obvious, and while it seems he checks down too quick sometimes, I remind myself that he hasn't made any terrible glaring decisions this year. Last year, he made some gunslinger throws that cost us.
This year I feel like he doesn't press, at all. Like, 'we're gonna score, I don't need to get it all here, and I'm not gonna screw my defense.'
He may be chilling in the pocket too long sometimes, he's getting real used to sitting back there. Ha, hazard of having a great line I guess.
I'm all set with Latavius, as far as I am concerned, he's playing out the string. That sweet fun by Deandre? 3 yard loss if Murray is carrying that ball. No hard feelings, he's all effort, we just have two other guys I like better.
Cooper is a mystery to me. Is Crabs just that much better than him now, and that's why he's taking a back seat? If so, OK, but man, like to see more.
Crabs is playing at a Pro Bowl level.
Interior pass rush is a need.Really hoping Mario is the answer there. Autry and McGee both has their moments, but the rotation of Ward, Autry, Latham and McGee too often let the O linemen get to the LBs. And we have small LBs. They are all nice pieces, but we need the alpha male there, and Ellis and Dan are barely playing.
It seems like the coaches are fine going with a penetrating defense, and sacrificing some thing in the run game. You will get gashed doing that from time to time. It's feast or famine.
DJ Hayden, good for you man. Great game. Sean Smith too.
Cory James is a sure tackler, boy. Really noticeable. Especially as a Raider fan, we know what unsure tackling looks like.
3 out of 4 games to start the season, on the road, all east coast. And we're 3-1. Pretty impressive.
Watching Carr is fun, really. Not a young QB I would trade him for. Can make the argument for Luck, but not sure there is anything he's better at, and Carr is a better arm talent . His confidence is obvious, and while it seems he checks down too quick sometimes, I remind myself that he hasn't made any terrible glaring decisions this year. Last year, he made some gunslinger throws that cost us.
This year I feel like he doesn't press, at all. Like, 'we're gonna score, I don't need to get it all here, and I'm not gonna screw my defense.'
He may be chilling in the pocket too long sometimes, he's getting real used to sitting back there. Ha, hazard of having a great line I guess.
I'm all set with Latavius, as far as I am concerned, he's playing out the string. That sweet fun by Deandre? 3 yard loss if Murray is carrying that ball. No hard feelings, he's all effort, we just have two other guys I like better.
Cooper is a mystery to me. Is Crabs just that much better than him now, and that's why he's taking a back seat? If so, OK, but man, like to see more.
Crabs is playing at a Pro Bowl level.
Interior pass rush is a need.Really hoping Mario is the answer there. Autry and McGee both has their moments, but the rotation of Ward, Autry, Latham and McGee too often let the O linemen get to the LBs. And we have small LBs. They are all nice pieces, but we need the alpha male there, and Ellis and Dan are barely playing.
It seems like the coaches are fine going with a penetrating defense, and sacrificing some thing in the run game. You will get gashed doing that from time to time. It's feast or famine.
DJ Hayden, good for you man. Great game. Sean Smith too.
Cory James is a sure tackler, boy. Really noticeable. Especially as a Raider fan, we know what unsure tackling looks like.
3 out of 4 games to start the season, on the road, all east coast. And we're 3-1. Pretty impressive.
Great post. Only thing I'd add is, they need to find a way to keep the offense unpredictable after halftime. The past two weeks they have been shut down coming out of the locker room. Granted, last week it was against **** Labeau and this week Harbaugh, two pretty good defensive minds. Still doing just enough to win so we can't complain.massraider said:
Ed Wood
Footballguy
This. Very pleasantly surprised. Forced Flacco to throw short on third down and in the middle of three Raiders on fourth down with the resulting forced incompletion. Ball game.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
when i lived in FT Lauderdale fla i went to a raiders bar every weekend...so much fun being around other Raider fans watching the game ...great energy.massraider said:
I think Carr could end up being one of the great Raider QB`s of our time if he stays healthy
Ed Wood
Footballguy
On the winning drive, the Raiders got the ball with 3:36 left and immediately went no huddle. I kept thinking they're gonna score but leave too much time on the clock for the Ravens to come back and kick a field goal for the win. Baltimore got the ball back with 1:24 left and got to midfield with plenty of time left before the D made a couple plays for the win.
Did anybody think they should have used less no huddle on the last drive and left less time on the clock or do you think it might have been a momentum killer for the offense?
Did anybody think they should have used less no huddle on the last drive and left less time on the clock or do you think it might have been a momentum killer for the offense?
DocHolliday
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Chaka
Footballguy
No because the only time they moved the ball all day was when they went no huddle.
Draining the clock.means nothing if you go three and out.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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A few things I particularly liked from today:
a) Karl Joseph is a headhunter, with a style like Lott. Was coming at the ball and its carrier like a missile all day.
b) Red zone efficiency. In 11 trips to the red zone, Raiders scored TDs on 10 of them, including 3/3 today.
c) Defensive tackling. We allowed ourselves to get gashed by runs up the middle, but we made corralling tackles that we've routinely missed in the past.
d) Carr is explosive, and fun to watch in action. Was great seeing him faux-sky chest bump with Blac Jack after the 3rd TD. Great to see shenanigans and smiles on the sidelines again.
e) That said, we totally thought the game was over midway through the 4th, and inexcusably almost let the game get by us. It's good to be in a position to celebrate - but you do it after the full 60 mins.
f) I'm a Murray apologist, and even I think we should go with a lightning and lightning duo of Washington/Richard, even with the fumbles.
g) Autry, Smith, Joseph, Nelson, Mack. D stepped up big. I do t think Norton's job gets called into question again this season. Was sloppy out there at times, but you can tell we are just starting to gel.
h) We have identity. On both sides of the ball. Carr mentions the team culture of high standards in the presser. We are a cohesive team on a mission - something we haven't seem to have been in a while.
This win was monumental. And seems pretty pivotal for our season in terms of the base it provides in our record at this point in the season, and for the confidence it gives the team to believe they can win.
Couldn't end this without an i) love Crab's rope of gold. So thick he probably gains a half inch in his vertical without it.
MC/DC has been better than AC/DC.
a) Karl Joseph is a headhunter, with a style like Lott. Was coming at the ball and its carrier like a missile all day.
b) Red zone efficiency. In 11 trips to the red zone, Raiders scored TDs on 10 of them, including 3/3 today.
c) Defensive tackling. We allowed ourselves to get gashed by runs up the middle, but we made corralling tackles that we've routinely missed in the past.
d) Carr is explosive, and fun to watch in action. Was great seeing him faux-sky chest bump with Blac Jack after the 3rd TD. Great to see shenanigans and smiles on the sidelines again.
e) That said, we totally thought the game was over midway through the 4th, and inexcusably almost let the game get by us. It's good to be in a position to celebrate - but you do it after the full 60 mins.
f) I'm a Murray apologist, and even I think we should go with a lightning and lightning duo of Washington/Richard, even with the fumbles.
g) Autry, Smith, Joseph, Nelson, Mack. D stepped up big. I do t think Norton's job gets called into question again this season. Was sloppy out there at times, but you can tell we are just starting to gel.
h) We have identity. On both sides of the ball. Carr mentions the team culture of high standards in the presser. We are a cohesive team on a mission - something we haven't seem to have been in a while.
This win was monumental. And seems pretty pivotal for our season in terms of the base it provides in our record at this point in the season, and for the confidence it gives the team to believe they can win.
Couldn't end this without an i) love Crab's rope of gold. So thick he probably gains a half inch in his vertical without it.
MC/DC has been better than AC/DC.
massraider
Footballguy
Hell yeah I thought that.
And I would have second guessed the coaches.
But Del Rio has been consistent with the aggressiveness, so from that perspective, I'm happy with it.
I don't know if Bal was playing tight, and that's why the deep shots were there. Walford could have scored as well. But it shows confidence in the defense, and there's always the chance you get too cute, and can't score. On the road, need a TD, Crabtree burns his man like that, yeah, give me the TD.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Ed Wood
Footballguy
Does anybody feel Carr may be hanging his receivers out to dry a bit too much? The second TD to Crabtree forced him to take a pretty big lick. Then on the winning drive Walford took a shot that was bad and could have been much worse, having to lay out for a ball near the goal line.
Just part of the game that all receivers have to deal with or is Carr putting them too much in harm's way?
Just part of the game that all receivers have to deal with or is Carr putting them too much in harm's way?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Evan Silva
Latavius Murray's weekly touch totals:
Week 1: 15
Week 2: 14
Week 3: 11
Week 4: 10
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Direct correlation of the continuing success of both Washington and Richard. BOth look quicker through the line and more dynamic in the open field, where Murray, if he doesn't have success on his one-cut approach, gets bottled up with slower feet.
I like the guy and think he was underrated last year given what he did, but clear to me that the two next backs up seem faster, more versatile, and more effective getting into the secondary and beyond. They are making Murray look like JAG.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Love the win!!!
best sign to me is the improvement of the d. The willingness to change personnel and do what's needed.
As a murray owner, I'm pissed at his declining role and think he should get a shot at 20 carries. Heck, I think they should all have that opportunity. To better see what we have.
best sign to me is the improvement of the d. The willingness to change personnel and do what's needed.
As a murray owner, I'm pissed at his declining role and think he should get a shot at 20 carries. Heck, I think they should all have that opportunity. To better see what we have.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
People on FB giving raiders fans grief about the ravens fan who was pushed down by 2 raiders fans and hit his head and is now on life support .
I said who they root for has nothing to do with what happened ...so leave the word fan outa the conversation.
It started over the guy cutting people at a concession stand
I said who they root for has nothing to do with what happened ...so leave the word fan outa the conversation.
It started over the guy cutting people at a concession stand
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Disgraceful, no matter the fan base. This could, unfortunately, happen at any NFL venue, and something that becomes more and more distasteful to me each year.
The fact that there is basically sanctioned boozing in the parking lot for hours prior to an NFL game just makes these kinds of confrontations an inevitability, which, forgetting the unjustifiably astronomical price of tickets (which price most fans out of seeing the game live), makes me avoid ever wanting to take my kids to a game anymore. The environment simply isn't worth it, which is pretty sad.
joey
Footballguy
Couldn't agree more. I have no plans of taking my 2 boys to a football game. We'll happily watch from home. Even if there isn't a fight or horrific event like the one in Baltimore, there still is a 100% chance of my kids hearing grown men say rude, obnoxious and profane things, regardless of if they're surrounded by women and children. Absolutely zero room for that stupidity in my life when we are working hard to try to raise kind, thoughtful, respectful kids. Yeah, I'm gonna surround them with a bunch of drunk imbeciles. No thanks.
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Sarlakticacid
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Dunno if anyone mentioned this guys game this weekend
WEAPON
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2016/10/3/13152806/raiders-marquette-king-gets-pff-s-highest-punter-grade-ever
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http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2016/10/3/13152806/raiders-marquette-king-gets-pff-s-highest-punter-grade-ever
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Since my wife and I swear like sailors already, I think my kids have heard a few choice words already, but agree that an NFL game is not the best setting to model good examples. Have unbelievable memories of going to NFL games as a kid with my family, taking a trip over the border to see the Bills in Orchard Park. '
Don't get me wrong, still plenty of drunkenness at those games, but the tone was really, really different. There was banter between fans showing up in Jets Green and Pats Blue in those days, but that's all it was -- banter, relating to what was going on on the field. Not overly profane, offensive, or personal whatsoever.
Now, seems like a lot of people use the excuse to look for conflict, and it escalates quickly. Have people become more moronic over the years? Hard to tell but from my perspective, the atmosphere is so much different at games these days.
The last thing I want to do is have my kids' day -- one intended to share and grow the love of the sport -- completely ruined by some sot yelling curse words, fights breaking out in stands, etc. Just not an environment I want my kids exposed to even with the probability that nothing happens. The probability that something does is enough to keep me home with the kids.
massraider
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