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2016 Oakland Raiders thread (1 Viewer)

joey said:
Sounds like Penn is close to re-signing. 

Gonna be one hell of an offensive line!

that covers just about every single need except...um....what was it again?.....SAFETY!

In Reggie We Trust. 
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appears i should looked here 1st.

Agreed on the O-line!!

 
I am pleased with how this offseason has been handled and somewhat surprised. I can now see some of the strategy that Reggie utilizes and I am beginning to be impressed by his patience. It is hard to not brace for the whole thing to crumble. 14 years of awful is a hard thing to completely shake as a fan.

 
Cold Dead Hands said:
I am pleased with how this offseason has been handled and somewhat surprised. I can now see some of the strategy that Reggie utilizes and I am beginning to be impressed by his patience. It is hard to not brace for the whole thing to crumble. 14 years of awful is a hard thing to completely shake as a fan.
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but whens the last time this team has consitantly made one great move after another and had drafts as productive as the last 2? its been a looooong time coming....the Raiders are building a great team ...i have no fear of anything crumbling 

 
It really amazes me that they are in such good position to draft BPA in round 1 (I would still like to see the top CB but wouldn't complain about anything short of a kicker/punter).  Round 2 maybe not though, from what I understand about this years draft class (and I admittedly understand very little) there is a very good chance that one of the top safeties will be available in the 2nd round, I am not sure they could pass on that.

 
Chaka said:
It really amazes me that they are in such good position to draft BPA in round 1 (I would still like to see the top CB but wouldn't complain about anything short of a kicker/punter).  Round 2 maybe not though, from what I understand about this years draft class (and I admittedly understand very little) there is a very good chance that one of the top safeties will be available in the 2nd round, I am not sure they could pass on that.
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Yeah.  I have a real hard time seeing an offensive player at '14, unless it was Ronnie Stanley, whom I have read they like a lot.  Ezekiel Elliott?  Geez.....that doesn't seem like Reggie.  I mean, what's the point of having a monster O-line (and this certainly appears to be) if you can't get a great running game with less-than-great running backs??

WR?  No.  TE?  No.  OG? No.  So if Stanley is gone, Elliott would be the only player worth considering there.  If Reggie is staring at some combo of Lawson, Rankins, Alexander, Jackson III, will he take a RB?  I have a tough time seeing it.

I was also 100% wrong about Leo vs. Cooper last year.  I was very surprised he went WR.  A year later, with the emergence of Mack, Mario Jr, and the complete lack of WRs to get excited about, it looks very smart (no matter what happens with Mario's neck).  

I will like a Jefferson offer sheet.  He has actually engaged other Raiders on Twitter already, I will almost be surprised if we don't sign him to an offer sheet.  

I would also love a Reggie Nelson offer.  He played his best ball last year, would be an amazing stopgap.

 
Chaka said:
It really amazes me that they are in such good position to draft BPA in round 1 (I would still like to see the top CB but wouldn't complain about anything short of a kicker/punter).  Round 2 maybe not though, from what I understand about this years draft class (and I admittedly understand very little) there is a very good chance that one of the top safeties will be available in the 2nd round, I am not sure they could pass on that.
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Agree wholeheartedly.  I'd hope we get a couple safeties before the draft, but the opportunity cost of reaching based on need in the 2nd isn't nearly so significant as the 1st would be.  Elliott at #14 would be a dream, but Hargreaves or anyone that slid at another position like Jack or Stanley would be welcome as well.

 
massraider said:
Yeah.  I have a real hard time seeing an offensive player at '14, unless it was Ronnie Stanley, whom I have read they like a lot.  Ezekiel Elliott?  Geez.....that doesn't seem like Reggie.  I mean, what's the point of having a monster O-line (and this certainly appears to be) if you can't get a great running game with less-than-great running backs??

WR?  No.  TE?  No.  OG? No.  So if Stanley is gone, Elliott would be the only player worth considering there.  If Reggie is staring at some combo of Lawson, Rankins, Alexander, Jackson III, will he take a RB?  I have a tough time seeing it.

I was also 100% wrong about Leo vs. Cooper last year.  I was very surprised he went WR.  A year later, with the emergence of Mack, Mario Jr, and the complete lack of WRs to get excited about, it looks very smart (no matter what happens with Mario's neck).  

I will like a Jefferson offer sheet.  He has actually engaged other Raiders on Twitter already, I will almost be surprised if we don't sign him to an offer sheet.  

I would also love a Reggie Nelson offer.  He played his best ball last year, would be an amazing stopgap.
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I was also in the camp that wanted Leo over Cooper and I agree Cooper was definitely the right call based on the lack of difference making WRs in FA and this year's draft.

As far as this year's draft I really like Kevin Dodd along with a couple guys you mentioned.  He was an absolute beast in the semifinal and national title games and gets a little overlooked because of Lawson.

 
Awesome! 

The secondary has to be addressed, especially in today's pass happy NFL.  Come on Reggie.  Make the move to go from the A grade so far this offseason to the A+. 

 
Love it.  That makes the Osemele signing even better.  He can play LT in a pinch, but the plan has him mauling people inside.

 
I don't why I keep getting these blank quotes from other posts. Anyway, if Reggie stays with Murray at RB and he rushes for 500 more yards than he did last year, Osemele just might be the best free agent pickup of the year. I say this because I think Zeke will be gone by the time the Raiders pick, and like it or not Murray is our guy. With Osemele and Jackson having another year under his belt that line is gonna tough! 

 
I think people are being to hard on Latavius Murray.  He was running the ball at 4.8 YPC through the first 8 games of last season (630 yards on 132 carries).  The entire team fell off at that point not just Murray.

Keeping Penn and adding Osemele look to be moves that will dramatically help the running game in general.  I think all they really need is a complimentary back to help take the burden off of Latavius (who had 72% of the teams carries) but I don't think they need to go out and bring in some young stud to give Oakland a dangerous running game.  I really would have liked Bilal Powell but I think Benny Cunningham would be an interesting signing.  Who knows maybe Jamize Olawale just needs more opportunities.

 
Waaay too hard.

Latavius doesn't get enough love.  Right side of the line was reshuffled, Hudson missed 3 games, Penn  was hurt for 2nd half of year, and passing game struggled when Cooper was injured.

 
I agree with Mass and Chaka.  Murray will be fine as the lead RB.  Find a cheap back up at RB and keep focusing on the D this offseason. 

 
Would Dansby be an upgrade at ILB?


Karlos Dansby - LB - Free Agent


Browns released ILB Karlos Dansby.
34-year-old Dansby is happy with the move, as he knew he didn't have a chance at winning with the rebuilding Browns. The new regime seems to be tearing it all down and starting from scratch. Dansby's play slipped in 2015, but he's still a quality starter. He graded out as Pro Football Focus' No. 3 inside linebacker in coverage and is a known playmaker. Dansby will be looking for a contender. The Browns save $3.5 million against the cap with the move.

Related: Browns
 
Source: Pat McManamon on Twitter
Mar 16 - 1:19 PM

 
Raiders signed ANOTHER special teams player, S Bryndyn Trawick.  

Needed a backup S, and he plays goalline as well, I think.

 
krsone21 said:
Now that Will Hill is released I hope the Raiders kick the tires on him.
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Already suspended three times for substance abuse.  Doesn't sound like a Reggie guy, but you never know.  He's only 26 and would certainly be an upgrade to whatever is on the roster.

Really surprised that they haven't brought in Reggie Nelson.

 
Chaka said:
Already suspended three times for substance abuse.  Doesn't sound like a Reggie guy, but you never know.  He's only 26 and would certainly be an upgrade to whatever is on the roster.

Really surprised that they haven't brought in Reggie Nelson.
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I guess we should take it as a positive that we haven't heard anything about the Raiders being connected to any of the remaining top safeties, since the real signings seem to come out of nowhere and the rumors of interest have tended to lead to dead ends.

At least that's what I'm telling myself...

 
Brynden Trawick - DB - Raiders

Raiders signed S Brynden Trawick, formerly of the Ravens, to a one-year contract.

Trawick is a special teams player, and GM Reggie McKenzie has been making a point to upgrade that area. He had 10 tackles covering kicks in 2015.

 
Fair deal for Penn. He's worth $7mm per IMO. If his 2nd half of last year become the new normal for him, then we cut him after 2016, no biggie. My guess is we draft a developmental OT this year to prep for that possibility.

Still want Zeke in Rd 1 if he falls. He will make Murray and the team better this year (you need more than one good RB), which will inflate Murray's value next offseason, meaning someone will sign him for $7mm+ per and we recoup a nice supplemental pick in 2018 in return. Zeke would make peanuts for the next 4-5 years, compared to FA Murray.

So essentially we would be trading

2016 1st / 2017-2020 Murray

-4-

2016-2020 Zeke / 2018 3rd / $5-6mm per year cap

We get both Zeke and Murray next year to help ease Zeke's transition into the league.

 
32 Counter Pass said:
Would Dansby be an upgrade at ILB?


Karlos Dansby - LB - Free Agent


Browns released ILB Karlos Dansby.
34-year-old Dansby is happy with the move, as he knew he didn't have a chance at winning with the rebuilding Browns. The new regime seems to be tearing it all down and starting from scratch. Dansby's play slipped in 2015, but he's still a quality starter. He graded out as Pro Football Focus' No. 3 inside linebacker in coverage and is a known playmaker. Dansby will be looking for a contender. The Browns save $3.5 million against the cap with the move.

Related: Browns
 
Source: Pat McManamon on Twitter
Mar 16 - 1:19 PM
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 A 3-4 ILB, no? I am always a bit worried about scheme differences but overall, there will be more cut players and if we don't have the perfect fit MacKenzie will look for a bargain upside or vet as a stop gap. Sometimes they work (Penn and Howard) and sometimes they don't (long list of CB's and Lofton ). No doubt we will add a couple of DB's and a MLB before drat time. 

 
I think the message Reggie has sent the last two free agency period has been even more clear.  All his talk about building through the lines?  He wasn't joking.

I've been thinking he is planning on saving money over the long haul, at LB and RB.  Why spend a lot at RB?  Why ever get to a second contract?  With a great line, they can have three average to good backs for very short money, and make those players look better.  After next year, if Murray costs 7 mill a year, are we all so sure he would do 7 times better than a Derrick Henry, or Kenneth Dixon, making a mill a year?  I like Murray, and I think no way.  

 
If the Raiders had given Mayowa a late round tender,  he doesn't get any offers,  and he's a UFA next year.   Maybe the Cowboys get us a steal.  If gets a two or three year deal for 2.5 per,  maybe Oakland matches. 

 
DocHolliday said:
I agree with Mass and Chaka.  Murray will be fine as the lead RB.  Find a cheap back up at RB and keep focusing on the D this offseason. 
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I agree he's fine.  But Elliott can be special.  You take those guys when you get a shot at him.  More and more I don't think he'll be there, and that's fine if not as has been said this line's been built to make anyone look good.

massraider said:
If the Raiders had given Mayowa a late round tender,  he doesn't get any offers,  and he's a UFA next year.   Maybe the Cowboys get us a steal.  If gets a two or three year deal for 2.5 per,  maybe Oakland matches. 
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There is no longer a late tender.  Just 1st, 2nd, and original round.  I didn't see anything, did they make him an offer?

 
Hankmoody said:
I agree he's fine.  But Elliott can be special.  You take those guys when you get a shot at him.  More and more I don't think he'll be there, and that's fine if not as has been said this line's been built to make anyone look good.
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I think a special talent at RB is a joy to watch and would never turn my back on it but I just don't think the position as a whole has first round value (particularly top half of the first round) in today's NFL.  

 
We've been brainwashed by this whole RB devalued thing.  RB is devalued because all the good RB's are playing other positions.

1.  Up until 15 years ago, the best athletes all played RB.  As spread QB's became more mainstream, the best athletes started playing QB.  This is the biggest drain on talent at RB.  Braxton Miller is the poster boy for this.  That guy would have never been recruited as a QB in the 90s, and his HS coach probably would have encouraged him, if not outright required him, to switch to RB (or something else, but his skillset at the time screamed RB).  Those guys just weren't accepted at QB.  Now they are funneled there.

2.  The position ages horribly in the NFL, and now career management is filtering down to the highschool/junior high levels.  Everyone knows RB's only get one second contract, they never get a 3rd big one.  Shaun Alexander is probably to thank here, because his slide was sooooo precipitous and soooo visible.  So many great athletes that would have loved to fill in at RB when that stud moved to QB now don't want to.  They play CB, S, LB because they know they can play longer and make more. 

3.  And now the rolling stone is gathering moss.  Best athletes aren't playing RB.  Second best athletes aren't playing RB.  Someone has to play RB though.  RB has become the new OL.  Used to be the last guys picked played OL.  The worst (as in less ridiculously great) athletes, the kids that couldn't run.  Derrick Henry.  6'3" 245 that guy in the 90's wouldn't ever have been allowed to play RB because Braxton Miller and Deshawn Watson would be.  Henry would be playing TE or OL/DL.  We've seen very little special talent at RB come out lately because of this slotting.

When a great talent comes along he's worth the investment.  You don't think if Marshall Faulk or LT were in this draft they would be worth a top 5 pick?  You don't think Jim Brown would pay dividends as the #1 pick to the Titans sans Murray?  It will be interested to see what happens the next few years, because we have a significant RB pipeline coming.

I do agree that the average RB we're getting today aren't worth the investment.  The NFL doesn't subscribe to the "someone has to" mantra above.  They'll just figure something else out.  NEP sets the bar here but a lot of teams are following suit.  But if Elliott ended up in New England, they would make the investment pay off in spades.

 
I would never be upset with drafting the next LT or Marshall but when you have a great offensive line and can get 80-90% replacement value of that first round RB in round 3-7 or from a UFA then it seems like a steep price to pay.

I haven't seen a study so I could be wrong but doesn't it seem that you are more likely to hit on a good RB later in the draft than any other position?

 
You can say the same about just about every position.  Look at the difference between Kirk Cousins' 80% or Cam Newton's 100%.  You could have the 90% you'd get from Kony Ealy or Khalil Mack?  Williams Gholston vs JJ Watt.  Stephon Diggs vs. Amari Cooper.  I'll pay that premium every time, because they are rare to get.  Those guys change how you can (and opponents have to) play the game.  You get what, 3-4 guys per year that are potential transcendent talents at their positions?  We have almost zero chance to see that at our draft spot in Ramsey, Jack, or Tunisil.  If we get a shot at it with RB?  Hell yes.

 
Chaka said:
I would never be upset with drafting the next LT or Marshall but when you have a great offensive line and can get 80-90% replacement value of that first round RB in round 3-7 or from a UFA then it seems like a steep price to pay.

I haven't seen a study so I could be wrong but doesn't it seem that you are more likely to hit on a good RB later in the draft than any other position?
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Not only can you, but it happens every year.  There are decent backs every year.  And it's clearly a young man's spot, as teams move on from backs after their rookie deal is up.  

There are not great OT, CB, and pass rushers every year.  They are much, much more rare.  Well, every year there are actually corners that emerge, but teams need 3-4 of them to play a lot, so the point stands.  

Doug Martin, Chris Ivory, and Forte all available, and only cost money.  Not even big money.  And that's every year in free agency.  In the draft, some 3rd or 4th round back is going to make a Pro Bowl.  Let's get that guy.  

 
And really, shouldn't the advantage of having an insane offensive line not drafting a RB #14 overall?  

#14 is high man.  If we were at 28 or something, I could see it.  Maybe.

 
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