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I don't think that's true.

I think the big turning point was the 2014 draft. There were plenty of people that thought he absolutely killed it in that draft including myself. I was even higher than most on their draft because I thought McGill was an interesting prospect with a lot of upside even though he hasn't quite panned out. 

It's a good reminder to those people that are tempted to rush in and say in April nobody knows if you had a good draft until years later blah, blah,blah. Everyone thought Mack/Carr/Jackson/Ellis was great from the day after the draft. That's when I remember the criticism of the franchise(at least from outside the fan base) slowing to a trickle. The next FA period they signed Hudson and I kind of felt anyone that was paying attention couldn't be critical of the direction they were going.

That first wave of FA was a bit of a trainwreck so he got heat up until April 2014.
That's revisionist history on Carr.

There were people that liked him, we aren't talking about Hackenburg here, but you cannot include him in a list of picks that everyone thought we nailed.  Todd McShay?  Look up his comments on that pick.  You heard very, very few people gush about him.

That winter/spring, it was:  Gosh, I hope Teddy is still there at #5!!  Manziel had his fans in Raider Nation.  And every single person that scouted Carr had apparently only watched the USC game.  Carr was a distant 3rd on Raider fans wish list at QB, and the word was out early than McKenzie liked him, and I can tell you, that didn't make Raider fans happy.  

 
http://cover32.com/2014/11/14/todd-mcshay-surprises-many-says-the-raiders-would-have-to-consider-drafting-marcus-mariota/

ESPN’s Todd McShay said in an insider piece (you need to pay to read the whole thing) that he believes the scouting report on Carr is out and as a result, he is struggling and getting worse now that defensive coordinators know how to game plan him. As a result, McShay says the Raiders must seriously consider Mariota who he calls a special talent. His counterpart, Mel Kiper Jr. has a different view of the Raiders and firmly believes that they should trade back or grab another elite player rather than taking another quarterback with Derek Carr on the roster.

 
Is Fresno State QB Derek Carr worthy of consideration as a first round pick, possibly even a top 10 pick?



 



Todd McShay doesn’t think so. In fact, McShay wouldn’t take Carr in the second or third round either.

The ESPN and Scouts, Inc. analyst has graded out Carr, a man widely viewed as the fourth-best QB prospect in this year’s class, as a fourth rounder.

“I don’t see it,” McShay said in a video piece on ESPN. “60 percent of his throws within five yards of the line of scrimmage, struggles against pressure and that tape I watched against USC, that is not a quarterback, to me, that looks like a potential starter in the league.”

McShay’s words reflect the common perception of Carr, that he is a talented player with a good arm who will be a risk to draft due to lack of experience in a pro style offense and general inability to handle pass pressure.

Of his arm talent there is little doubt, however. Carr proved that again last week at his pro day, “throwing against air” as the draftniks like to say.

 
Count me as an original Carr doubter (still think his ceiling might be Matt Stafford) but I always believed in Reggie - except when he fired Hue and replaced him with Allen.

Here is some more Reggie love... Penn deal was better for us than reported:


 
I'm thinking Watson gets a lot of work at left tackle, with Howard at RG.  We don't need Howard at guard any more, and he played well at right tackle.  

Everyone stay healthy.  And draft whichever running back the Raiders take in the middle rounds in the 2nd round of rookie picks, because the chances of Murray get a big money deal from Reggie are slim, I think.  

I think Reggie's plan is never spend a lot of money on running backs when you have 5 angry leviathans up front.  

 
That's revisionist history on Carr.

There were people that liked him, we aren't talking about Hackenburg here, but you cannot include him in a list of picks that everyone thought we nailed.  Todd McShay?  Look up his comments on that pick.  You heard very, very few people gush about him.

That winter/spring, it was:  Gosh, I hope Teddy is still there at #5!!  Manziel had his fans in Raider Nation.  And every single person that scouted Carr had apparently only watched the USC game.  Carr was a distant 3rd on Raider fans wish list at QB, and the word was out early than McKenzie liked him, and I can tell you, that didn't make Raider fans happy.  
Yeah, I include Carr. There were folks that doubted Carr was a TOP TEN pick, sure. But I don't remember anyone saying that he was a bad pick in the second round after you had already addressed the defense in the first round of the draft. And perhaps most importantly I can comfortably say that NOBODY thought oak should have waited until the third or later to draft a qb. 

 
That's revisionist history on Carr.

There were people that liked him, we aren't talking about Hackenburg here, but you cannot include him in a list of picks that everyone thought we nailed.  Todd McShay?  Look up his comments on that pick.  You heard very, very few people gush about him.

That winter/spring, it was:  Gosh, I hope Teddy is still there at #5!!  Manziel had his fans in Raider Nation.  And every single person that scouted Carr had apparently only watched the USC game.  Carr was a distant 3rd on Raider fans wish list at QB, and the word was out early than McKenzie liked him, and I can tell you, that didn't make Raider fans happy.  
Carr was #2 on my QB wish list that year only behind Bortles. In another Raider forum that I frequent I even said I would take Carr at the #5 spot. It didn't go over well as you can imagine. A lot in that forum wanted Manziel. I was dead set against Manziel. I said you can't trust him off the field.

 
Ted Thompson guide to Free Agency offers fascinating window into Reggie McKenzie philosophy
By Levi Damien  @LeviDamien on Mar 19, 2016, 4:29p 191 

 
If you would like to get a window into the psyche of Reggie McKenzie as it relates to free agency, this will tell you all you need to know.

I came across a fantastic article today. It was written by Paul Noonan at the SB Nation Packers site Acme Packing Company. It was an in-depth look at Packers general manager Ted Thompson's approach to free agency and why the Packers are rarely big players on the market.

Primarily I found it an incredibly fascinating and on point article about NFL Free Agency in general. Secondarily I found it offers Raiders fans a window into Reggie McKenzie's mindset with regard to how he values players on the free agent market and how he has built this team and will build it in future.

McKenzie served under Thompson with the Packers for many years. First as a scout and executive while Thompson was director of player personnel, and later as the director of player personnel himself with Thompson as General Manager. In total, they worked together for 13 years. During which time the Packers had great success, including the ultimate success in the NFL -- winning a Super Bowl... twice.

You can see a lot of similarities in McKenzie and Thompson's approach to running an NFL team. Free Agency may not look like a similarity at the moment considering the Raiders activity of late, but that's only because McKenzie has been building the Raiders from the ground up and has had a surplus of salary to spend and an average of 89% of which he was required to spend over the past four seasons.

As far as the piece by Noonan, he lays out 8 simple rules to which Thompson subscribes that explain why the Packers rarely make big splashes in free agency.

Players drafted in the first 3-4 rounds are about as likely to succeed as free agent acquisitions, and if they fail, the financial impact is far less.
For most positions, it is nearly impossible to sign a free agent, especially a well-known free agent, who will provide surplus value.
Player who are considered "good" will always be overpaid in free agency.
Running backs and inside linebackers are, respectively, the least valuable positions on offense and defense.
If an "older" player possesses many tools and 80-grade athleticism (on the 20-80 scale), he will likely age gracefully, and may be worth signing if he plays a position capable of providing cascade value. (The Woodson/Peppers Rule)
That said, football is fundamentally a young person's game, and young rosters will tend to be better than old rosters.
I work for a team based in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and NFL free agents will often require a premium to come here.
For most positions, waiver wire fodder is as good or better than "medium salaried" veterans.
Let's take a look at these tenets and apply them to Reggie McKenzie and the Raiders.

1. McKnenzie loves his draft picks. We know this. It's why the idea of trading them away to acquire a player or a higher draft pick is not something he does. He either trades down, trades players for picks, or not at all.

2. There are positions which offer a better chance of value than others. The offensive line is one such area which explains why the Raiders have made that position group their top priority in free agency three out of the past four years.

3. McKenzie has no problem making players the highest paid at their position if he wants them (Rodney Hudson, Kelechi Osemele). The Raiders certainly have had the money to do so. They are also often among those team in on big name free agents of late. But once the bidding gets too high, the Raiders usually bow out wisely because the return on investment is simply no longer possible.

4. The most interesting of all the Thompson philosophies from my vantage point is the lowered value on inside linebackers and running backs. The Raiders starting running back last year was sixth round pick Latavius Murray. Their free agent acquisition was Roy Helu Jr who, even though he signed day one, was not a blockbuster signing. This year they were reportedly interested in most of the big name running backs, but were outbid every time, meaning other teams simply placed greater value on the position than the Raiders. Likewise, the only inside linebacker the Raiders have been connected to is Erin Henderson, who hadn't really been on anyone's radar.

5. Funny that Noonan mentions Charles Woodson as a valuable older player signing considering McKenzie signed him several times in his career. Once in Green Bay and three times in Oakland. Woodson is the perfect example of a player who aged gracefully. In the 2014 offseason, McKenzie was criticized quite a bit for signing free agents in the 30+ club. Donald Penn, Justin Tuck, James Jones and Woodson ( who re-signed) worked out fairly well. There were some who didn't, but the success ratio was no higher than that of big contracts given to younger players.

6. Ideally McKenzie would prefer a younger roster as evidenced by what the Raiders have now. The veteran players from a couple years ago are mostly all gone. They bridged the gap to younger players, many of whom were original drafted. Only Penn, who will turn 33 this offseason -- returns on a short-term, financially friendly deal.

7. Oakland may or may not be a more attractive place to play than Green Bay, however prior to this offseason, it was the state of the franchise that was not as appealing to prospective free agents. Oakland is, however, in California, which is far more attractive geographically than Wisconsin. An example is Sean Smith, who is a California native and who was deciding between San Francisco and Oakland in order to play out his career. Donald Penn didn't want to leave his home state either. Life is pretty good over here on the left coast. With an improved team and franchise, there is no reason they should have to beg to have players come to Oakland.

8. Waiver wire fodder? Can you say David Amerson? How 'bout Benson Mayowa (who the Cowboys just signed to an offer sheet, giving the Raiders five days to match)?

Noonan went on to point out that in general, inside linebackers are basically outside linebackers who can't play outside linebacker. Or perhaps, another way to put that is outside linebackers can usually play inside, but inside linebackers can't necessarily play outside.

Perfectly embodying this concept is Malcolm Smith. He was signed last offseason to play outside linebacker, which he did fairly well. But when Curtis Lofton showed why the Saints cut him, the Raiders benched Lofton and moved Smith inside. They did the same thing with Rolando McClain in 2012, benching him and moving Philip Wheeler inside. And in each instance, it worked like a charm. When Nick Roach's career ended due to a concussion, the team attempted the same with Miles Burris, but that experiment didn't work out so well. Can't win 'em all.

Then this offseason, even with inside linebacker as a top need, what did the Raiders do? They signed outside linebacker Bruce Irvin. They have Malcolm Smith as well as last year's fourth round pick Ben Heeney who can both play inside and if they can add a guy like Henderson to a low risk deal, that would infuse some competition.

The final paragraph of Noonan's piece should be a lesson to the Jacksonvilles and Miamis and Washingtons and circa 2003-11 Oaklands of the NFL who consistently go for broke in free agency and consistently have little to show for it.

This is what it all comes down to in the grand scheme of things. Ted Thompson does sign free agents, but there are a lot of internal checks on doing so, and consequently the signings are rare, well-vetted, and ultimately tend to be successful. The simple fact is the more active you are in free agency, the more likely you are to lose. The game is rigged for those who play judiciously, and rigged against anyone who dabbles too frequently. Thompson will always be lambasted due to the very human preference to take action in the face of adversity. It is the strong, savvy, disciplined manager who can maintain his cool, and choose inaction in the vast majority of the time when it is appropriate.

Let that statement act as your crystal ball into the Raiders' potential future. Essentially what this means is enjoy these free agent spending sprees while they last, because is short order the Raiders could just keep re-signing their own talent while focusing on being competitive on the field instead of on the market.

Um, Sorry

 
great article. thanks for posting.

I can't believe this is our Raiders they're talking about. Seems like a lifetime since they've been a well run, competitive team.

 
That's revisionist history on Carr.

There were people that liked him, we aren't talking about Hackenburg here, but you cannot include him in a list of picks that everyone thought we nailed.  Todd McShay?  Look up his comments on that pick.  You heard very, very few people gush about him.

That winter/spring, it was:  Gosh, I hope Teddy is still there at #5!!  Manziel had his fans in Raider Nation.  And every single person that scouted Carr had apparently only watched the USC game.  Carr was a distant 3rd on Raider fans wish list at QB, and the word was out early than McKenzie liked him, and I can tell you, that didn't make Raider fans happy.  
Yea, that USC game killed his draft value (luckily for us). I watched the game and he was under pressure pretty much every drop and not reacting well to it.

 
Luke Easterling did a 7 round mock for us.  I love these personally.

Our picks (and who was still on the board that I might like instead):

#14  Reggie Ragland-LB (Rankins, Lawson, Alexander, Bullard, Jackson III)  By the way, he had Alexander falling out of the 1st.  

#44  Artie Burns-CB (Darian Thompson, Pharoh Cooper, Alex Collins, VOn Bell, Javon Hargrave, Jaylon Smith)

#75 Paul Perkins-RB (Joshua Perry, Maurice Canady, Keanu Neal, Kenneth Dixon, Joshua Garnett)

#114 Dominique Robertson-OT (Yannick Ngakoue, Sebastian Tretola, Bronson Kafusi, CJ Prosise, Sean Davis, Justin Simmons)

#143 KJ Dillon-S (Jatavius Brown, Tavon Young, Jonathan Williams, Eric Murray)

#154 Malcolm Mitchell-WR (Briean Boddy-Calhoun, Scooby Wright, Keith Byard, Tyvis Powell, Matt Judon, Charone Peake, Tyler Evin)

#194 Anthony Zettel-DL (KeiVarare Russell, Josh Ferguson, Mike Thomas, Evan Boehm, Adam Gotsis, Antonio Morris)

#234 Antwuan Woods-DL (Terrance Smith)

 
Maybe the most surprising thing to me is the Bengals not easily re-signing Nelson.  Figured he was 32, playing for a good team, didn't want to go anywhere.  Finally found a home, yada yada yada.  

That he has not signed there yet, kind of makes me think the Bengals (the cheapest team in the league) are gonna move on.  I think they like Shawn Williams and Derron Lee, and figure Iloka is the money man back there.  Reggie has spoken to the Titans, but man, you gotta figure that's not where he wants to spend the twilight of his career.  

He may need to wait until after the draft.  Same with Rashad Johnson.  Cards have Mathieu as the guy they gonna re-sign, and have Swearinger and Branch now.  He ain't going back.  Swearinger was a bust, but what the Cards ask Buchanon, and to a lesser extent Jefferson to do?  Swearinger can do that.  Just don't have him 30 yards downfield.  

 
Paul GutierrezESPN Staff Writer 


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While waiting for Oakland city and Alameda county entities to finalize the Raiders' lease extension at the Coliseum, Raiders owner Mark Davis recently met with Nevada governor Brian Sandoval to continue discussions about the potential of a stadium in Las Vegas.


Paul GutierrezESPN Staff Writer 


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Raiders owner Mark Davis was asked about the potential of St. Louis as a potential new home for his team. Davis shrugged negatively. "The Raider brand is a different brand, I believe," Davis said, "and I just don't believe St. Louis would maximize it." In terms of? "Just everything," Davis said. What about Las Vegas? "I think the Raiders would maximize Las Vegas," Davis said with a laugh.

 
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Paul GutierrezESPN Staff Writer 



While waiting for Oakland city and Alameda county entities to finalize the Raiders' lease extension at the Coliseum, Raiders owner Mark Davis recently met with Nevada governor Brian Sandoval to continue discussions about the potential of a stadium in Las Vegas.


Paul GutierrezESPN Staff Writer 



Raiders owner Mark Davis was asked about the potential of St. Louis as a potential new home for his team. Davis shrugged negatively. "The Raider brand is a different brand, I believe," Davis said, "and I just don't believe St. Louis would maximize it." In terms of? "Just everything," Davis said. What about Las Vegas? "I think the Raiders would maximize Las Vegas," Davis said with a laugh.
Our LAS VEGAS RRRRRAIDERS

 
http://justblogbaby.com/2016/03/20/oakland-raiders-wont-offer-sheet-tony-jefferson/

After reportedly reaching out to Jefferson, the latest news is that the Raiders will be opting not to pursue Jefferson further as they will not be signing the Cardinals safety to an offer sheet. A report that will send the Raiders back to the drawing board as they continue to search for a safety as one of their final positions of need in 2016 free agency.

Eddie Borsilli of Sirius XM NFL Radio, who broke the initial report of the Raiders reaching out to Jefferson, also broke the news that the team will not be signing him to an offer sheet on Saturday night.

Jefferson would have been a good fit in Oakland as a versatile safety who can play either strong or free safety, but it appears that the Raiders aren’t interested in kicking the tires on an offer sheet for whatever reason. Whether it be the pricetag or low odds of stealing him from the Cardinals, nobody will know why the Raiders balked at trying to snag Jefferson, but the big story will be Oakland continuing their safety search into the third week of free agency with no Charles Woodson replacement in sight.

 
Gannon back on the wagon...

http://www.talkoffamenetwork.com/10685-2/

The Oakland Raiders haven’t been to the playoffs since 2002. Worse, they haven’t had a winning season since then. But that could change soon. In fact, if you ask former quarterback Rich Gannon, now with CBS Sports, he’ll tell you it could change now.

And that’s just what we did on the latest Talk of Fame Network broadcast: Ask the former Oakland star  where he sees Oakland headed … and spoiler alert, Raiders’ Nation: You’re going to like his response.

“I wouldn’t be surprised to see them in the playoffs in 2016,” he said.

There are a myriad of reasons for Gannon’s optimism: Defending Super Bowl champion Denver just lost its top two quarterbacks; the AFC West should be wide open; the Raiders have been better – much better – in recent drafts and Oakland just scored heavily in free agency.

But the biggest reason, Gannon said, is quarterback Derek Carr.

“I think if you go back to that draft class a couple of years ago,” he said, “there were three quarterbacks taken in the first round. Obviously, Johnny Manziel was one of them. You look at Teddy Bridgewater, and you also look at Blake Bortles. And I really think the Raiders got the best quarterback in that draft in Derek Carr.

“The knock on him coming out is that he wouldn’t sit in there in the midst of a rush and set his feet and throw the football. (But) I studied him his rookie year, and he did that a bunch. He didn’t play with a great supporting cast. The offensive line wasn’t very good. They didn’t have any receivers with any speed. And they didn’t have a running game. Yet this kid played well enough to give them a chance to win a lot of football games.

“I just think his accuracy, his anticipation, his arm talent, his toughness, his leadership, his football IQ … I think he’s going to be a really good one when it’s all said and done.”

But Gannon’s enthusiasm doesn’t stop there. He believes Carr is part of a resurrection of a franchise that hasn’t been better than 8-8 in any season since Gannon took the Raiders to Super Bowl XXXVII and is 62-146 overall dating back to 2003.

“I really like what I see,” Gannon said. “First of all, you’ve got to give (GM) Reggie McKenzie a lot of credit. That was a very tough spot to be in a couple of years ago. They didn’t have the draft picks, and they didn’t have any money to spend in free agency. It was pretty painful those first couple of years. But they went out and hit on the quarterback a couple of years ago … (wide receiver) Amari Cooper last year … (linebacker) Khalil Mack … so they did a nice job with the draft.

“Then they put some pieces in place in free agency. They’ve been very aggressive the last few years spending in free agency. I hope it pays off. I talked to (coach) Jack Del Rio at the combine, and he feels really good about the direction the team is heading.

“I think the next step for them is to have double-digit wins and make the playoffs. And I think that division – the AFC West – is going through a little bit of a transformation right now. You look at Peyton Manning stepping down in Denver and Brock Osweiler leaving in free agency. I think the Raiders have a much better chance now that Manning’s no longer in the division.”

While conceding that Kansas City should be a factor and that Denver’s Gary Kubiak “will put together a plan and focus on running the football,” Gannon insists this could be … maybe should be … the year to jump on the Raiders’ bandwagon.

“They’ve got a good staff, they’ve got some good players and I really like this quarterback,” he said. “I think they have a chance to surprise some people this year.”

 
$17.5 MM in remaining 2016 cap space. Salary floor reached...

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2016/3/21/11277654/oakland-raiders-updated-available-salary-cap

At one point this offseason, the Raiders had around $74 million in available cap space. After making several moves in free agency, they have taken a big chunk out of that. Now according to official NFLPA figures, they sit at approximately $17.5 million left under the 2016 salary cap.

Among the signings the Raiders made to spend their cap money were the extension to Marquette King, adding offensive lineman Kelechi Osemele, linebacker Bruce Irvin, and cornerback Sean Smith and re-signing tackle Donald Penn.

When things started, they were just behind the Jacksonville Jaguars, who at one point had as much as $90 million available under the cap. But front loading contracts as the Raiders have done will tend to bring that number down pretty quickly.

Now it is the 49ers who have the most cap room. Their dysfunctional organization has had a lot of difficulty reeling in free agents this offseaon and as a result has $59 million burning a hole in their pockets and no one on whom to spend it. The Jaguars have been spending like crazy, and yet still have $57 million. Third are the Browns at $42.7 million due to the same problem the 49ers are having.

At this stage, $17.5 million is plenty of money to spend to make pretty much any move the Raiders would still like to make. They reached the floor long ago, so that is not a worry.

 
BOCA RATON, Fla. – Outside linebacker Aldon Smith, currently unsigned as an unrestricted free agent, remains solidly in the Raiders’ plan after his scheduled completion of a one-year suspension.

General manager Reggie McKenzie said he is in no rush to re-sign Smith, 26, as the Raiders want to be certain the talented pass-rusher is making the correct decisions off the field.

“The conversations have been good,” McKenzie toldCSNBayArea.com on Monday at the NFL owners meetings. “Really, it’s encouraging him as a person to continue to get his life right. And if you’re going to commit to this thing, you have to go through some steps. And that’s what he’s going through right now.”

Smith is eligible to be reinstated off the NFL’s reserve/suspended list in mid-November after he was suspended for a full year due to violating the league’s policy on substances of abuse. Teams are allowed to sign him even while he is under league suspension.

While a member of the 49ers, Smith was suspended for nine games for violations of the league’s policies on substances of abuse and personal conduct to open the 2014 season.

The 49ers released Smith on Aug. 7 after his fifth run-in with the law since the 49ers selected him in the first round of the 2011 draft. The Raiders signed him to a one-year contract on Sept. 11.

The Santa Clara County District Attorney’s office filed charges against Smith of DUI with a prior conviction and refusal to submit to a chemical test; hit and run with property damage; and vandalism under $400.

Smith recorded 44 sacks in 50 games with the 49ers. He recorded 3.5 sacks in nine games with the Raiders before his season ended due to the suspension.

 
Paul GutierrezESPN Staff Writer 



While waiting for Oakland city and Alameda county entities to finalize the Raiders' lease extension at the Coliseum, Raiders owner Mark Davis recently met with Nevada governor Brian Sandoval to continue discussions about the potential of a stadium in Las Vegas.


Paul GutierrezESPN Staff Writer 



Raiders owner Mark Davis was asked about the potential of St. Louis as a potential new home for his team. Davis shrugged negatively. "The Raider brand is a different brand, I believe," Davis said, "and I just don't believe St. Louis would maximize it." In terms of? "Just everything," Davis said. What about Las Vegas? "I think the Raiders would maximize Las Vegas," Davis said with a laugh.
I still believe that Las Vegas is our best option if we can swing the votes.

My game plan to get it done?

1) The public/private money outside of the Raiders is there. Raiders money kicked in to make the stadium (or at least part of it) a destination as much as part of the strip as any other place year round. A Raider museum/NFL experience mecca. Owners would go ga ga over that kind of thing.

2) Flirt with SA enough to scare Jones/McNair uncomfortable with the idea of the Raiders taking a piece of their Texas pie from them. Gain them as allies to push Vegas through.

3) Point to the NHL going into the market.

 
As of today, here are my preferred picks for our first rounder, in order:

- Zeke Elliott

- Shaq Lawson

- Sheldon Rankins

- Mack Alexander

- Emmanuel Ogbah

As long as we get one of these 5 guys, I'll be stoked.

 
Zeke, Lawson both should be long gone by pick 14. 

Really like Rankins if he is there. I've seen some impressive film of Jack Conklin that wouldn't make me mad if we took him. 

How about a trade for Mo from the Jets? I'd part with our 2nd round pick and shuffle Autry and/or Jelly to make space for him. We have the cap space. 

 
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I don't get why when talking bout the raaiiiders contending this season they bring up "the broncos lost both QBs".

We beat em in their house and both games last year were very close

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Zeke, Lawson both should be long gone by pick 14. 

Really like Rankins if he is there.




Me too.  Other penetrating DTs later that might be consolation prizes:  Jonathan Bullard, Willie Henry, Javon Hargrave.  People are saying Billings can be a pass rusher, but I don't know.  

 
Good luck overpaying our scraps, Jerruh. I have full faith in McKenzie to find someone as good or better for much cheaper.

Dallas wins, LOL!

 
Players I am hoping are drafted before us:

Stanley

Goff

Wentz

Buckner

Those four go before us, we getting a top 10 pick, from out board, IMO.  

If an Ogbah, or a Billings, or a WR go, all the better.  

 
I would be the worse GM ever. I have no patience for this waiting game and keep checking back here in this thread, and other NFL news sites searching for the word "Raiders", and hoping that we sign a Safety.

So consider this me officially taking my name out of the running as a successor to Reggie.

 
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I'd still take him.  Or Jefferson.  Or Nelson.  Hell I might take Brandon Meriweather at this point.  Hell I might take them all.  My guess is Reggie is waiting to see what the draft brings and then fill in from there.  Pretty typical for this time of year, guys would rather wait and see if a team blanks in the draft than sign a lowball offer.  I don't mind drafting S of course, but we damn well better let them come to us rather than reaching for need.

 
If Johnson, or Jefferson, or Nelson was in Reggie's plan, they'd be signed by now.  We do a lot of hand wringing over our apparent weakness at safety. This year's draft looks like a sweet spot to grab one in the second round. Thinking all this worry about the safety is going to be much ado about nothing about a month from now.

 
If Johnson, or Jefferson, or Nelson was in Reggie's plan, they'd be signed by now.  We do a lot of hand wringing over our apparent weakness at safety. This year's draft looks like a sweet spot to grab one in the second round. Thinking all this worry about the safety is going to be much ado about nothing about a month from now.
:goodposting:  

 
If Johnson, or Jefferson, or Nelson was in Reggie's plan, they'd be signed by now.  We do a lot of hand wringing over our apparent weakness at safety. This year's draft looks like a sweet spot to grab one in the second round. Thinking all this worry about the safety is going to be much ado about nothing about a month from now.
I agree Raiderfan. There might not be a lot of 1st round talent safety wise in the draft this year, however there are a lot of safeties I like that are good that will land in the 2-5 round range. I think the Raiders will be ok by the end of the draft at the safety position.

 
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I would be the worse GM ever. I have no patience for this waiting game and keep checking back here in this thread, and other NFL news sites searching for the word "Raiders", and hoping that we sign a Safety.

So consider this me officially taking my name out of the running as a successor to Reggie.
I'm with you, Joey -- sure, the Raiders have spent a lot and well in FA, and the draft provides plenty of options for us in the backfield. But why not at least sign at least one known quantity like Nelson or Jefferson to a short-term, low risk/low cap impact deal to have one of the many building blocks needed in place prior to the draft.

Drafts can get funny and sometimes the guys you think will surely be there in later rounds get snapped up. Not saying there won't be anyone, but I'd like at least some risk mitigation and see the Raiders make one move at a free safety in FA, and truly use draft for BPA for positional depth.

 
If Johnson, or Jefferson, or Nelson was in Reggie's plan, they'd be signed by now.  We do a lot of hand wringing over our apparent weakness at safety. This year's draft looks like a sweet spot to grab one in the second round. Thinking all this worry about the safety is going to be much ado about nothing about a month from now.
Agree. Karl Joseph is really intriguing. Comes with durability issues but what caught my eye was " he led the FBS in interceptions (five) after four weeks." That is some serious playing making ability. 

 
If Johnson, or Jefferson, or Nelson was in Reggie's plan, they'd be signed by now.  We do a lot of hand wringing over our apparent weakness at safety. This year's draft looks like a sweet spot to grab one in the second round. Thinking all this worry about the safety is going to be much ado about nothing about a month from now.
As long as we don't pass a superior alternative because we "need' a safety in the 2nd, I'll be fine.

 
I'm with you, Joey -- sure, the Raiders have spent a lot and well in FA, and the draft provides plenty of options for us in the backfield. But why not at least sign at least one known quantity like Nelson or Jefferson to a short-term, low risk/low cap impact deal to have one of the many building blocks needed in place prior to the draft.

Drafts can get funny and sometimes the guys you think will surely be there in later rounds get snapped up. Not saying there won't be anyone, but I'd like at least some risk mitigation and see the Raiders make one move at a free safety in FA, and truly use draft for BPA for positional depth.
and with some of these deals we're seeing, it looks like this wave of players can really be had on the cheap, BIG TIME.

So go sign a safety ASAP, Reggie, or I'm putting my hat back in the ring for your job!

Fear The Joey!

 
Losing out on Weddle as our target- I don't think there is much in the way of impact S out there. So, why sign bodies now when you can do that later too? I would like to see a bit of a push for Nelson though as he is the best of the rest even as he getting a bit older now.

 
Losing out on Weddle as our target- I don't think there is much in the way of impact S out there. So, why sign bodies now when you can do that later too? I would like to see a bit of a push for Nelson though as he is the best of the rest even as he getting a bit older now.
Yeah, Nelson seems like an obvious target at this point but I see no reason to rush after him.  The closer it gets to the draft the less leverage Nelson has.  Reggie could just be playing a game of chicken to bring Nelson's price down.  If Nelson signs somewhere else then, big deal, the Irvin & Smith signings already improve all aspects of the defense, even more so if the rumors about Mario are true.

 
I think the Bengals are playing chicken with Nelson, same as Fitz with the Jets.  I think Nelson wants to finish out in Cincy, and they low-balling him.  

 
Chaka said:
Yeah, Nelson seems like an obvious target at this point but I see no reason to rush after him.  The closer it gets to the draft the less leverage Nelson has.  Reggie could just be playing a game of chicken to bring Nelson's price down.  If Nelson signs somewhere else then, big deal, the Irvin & Smith signings already improve all aspects of the defense, even more so if the rumors about Mario are true.
Yea, Nelson being signed does not make or break us at this point. If we get him, great. If not, I don't think it will mean the win or loss of any games. No reason to overpay or lock too long of a contract for a guy long in the tooth like he is. So, I am good with Reggie setting a price and sticking with it.

 
To be fair I think Nelson could bring a lot to the defense from a veteran savvy/leadership standpoint.  Not quite Woodson, of course, but it's not a bad substitute for that role.  And he does seem to still have some gas in the tank.  I think Mass may be right about Nelson and Cinci but it could still break in favor of the Raiders.

Either way the team looks a lot better today than it did after week 17 and they were already on the fringes of the playoff race. 

 
To be fair I think Nelson could bring a lot to the defense from a veteran savvy/leadership standpoint.  Not quite Woodson, of course, but it's not a bad substitute for that role.  And he does seem to still have some gas in the tank.  I think Mass may be right about Nelson and Cinci but it could still break in favor of the Raiders.

Either way the team looks a lot better today than it did after week 17 and they were already on the fringes of the playoff race. 
I think he has value to add but I just don't think to the point that it would mean the difference of being 9-7 vs 8-6 kind of difference. The drop off in talent to what I think we can get through a disciplined draft approach and further patience in free agency isn't that great. Now in his prime? Sure. And he does have some to add plus some veteran presence but from the value he adds to what I think we can bring in otherwise- I am not seeing a HUGE difference. I am fine with further patience.

 
Loosing Woodson is a huge hole in that defensive backfield and I don't think we've filled it sufficiently. Sure the upgrade at CB will help greatly but bringing in a proven vet free agent, even and old one, at our usual one or two year deals is the thing that will really put the cherry on this off-season cake. And that's before the draft hits. Jeez, imagine signing a vet safety now...we don't have any holes to fill at that point and the draft is pure BPA gravy. 

 
Loosing Woodson is a huge hole in that defensive backfield and I don't think we've filled it sufficiently. Sure the upgrade at CB will help greatly but bringing in a proven vet free agent, even and old one, at our usual one or two year deals is the thing that will really put the cherry on this off-season cake. And that's before the draft hits. Jeez, imagine signing a vet safety now...we don't have any holes to fill at that point and the draft is pure BPA gravy. 
Weddle would have made a big difference to our D. Nelson and a handful of others still available- not so much (in my view). From what Nelson can provide vs someone like a Goldson or Jarret etc. The fall off isn't that great that we have to pounce on Nelson. We can be patient and then fill in at this point.

 
I thought defensive backfield was the major hole, and still do.  I said I think Nelson gets done in Cincy, so if I look around for a vet safety to help out, I'm thinking more about Husain Abdullah.  

He's gotten no major sniffs in free agency, at least according to my Twitter research ( for as little as that's worth).

My short term frustration with the lack of new safeties is there, but I am willing to see how the offseason plays out.  While Reggie isn't infallible, his track record in refusing to overpay at a position of need is something I admire.  It seems like they didn't like the price Jefferson wanted (and seems like no one else did either).  It seems like they didn't love Rashad Johnson (and it seems like no one else did either.  A 1 year deal with TEN cannot be his preferred outcome).  Weddle, it seems like he really liked BAL, and I thought his price was pretty high.  We cannot be sure how much we were in on him, or if he was interested in OAK.

We still have the draft, short term deals for the remaining free agents, and team cuts in August.  I feel like the team needs to add two more safeties, one way or another, with a good chance of making the team.  I'm not talking about UDFA.  

When I mess around with the FanSpeak mock draft simulator, it sure seems like there are a lot of decent prospects in the mid/late rounds.  At one point or another, I have read good things about:  Karl Joseph, Keanu Neal, TJ Green, Darian Thompson, Jeremy Cash, Justin Simmons, Vonn Bell, Miles Killebrew, Sean Davis, Deandre Houston-Carson, Kevin Byard, and Tyvis Powell.  

They aren't all going to be good, in fact history says most will be bad.  But they all have their fans.  It's not a top-heavy position, but it's a deep class.  

 

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