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2016 Oakland Raiders thread (2 Viewers)

My 4th round dream at RB

Alex Collins.  Look at his feet.  Quick steps, short cuts, always moving forward.  All his highlights are straight up the gut, imagine him behind Kelechi, Rodney, and Gabe.   :headbang:

His highlights remind me of Jamaal Charles coming out of school.  He is bigger than Charles (5'11'', 215) and not nearly as fast, but what I loved about Charles' highlights is his highlights were all up the gut, and involved compact, NFL-type cuts.  

 
I was actually thinking exactly this a couple of days ago and when I got to my computer to post I couldn't remember what I wanted to say, been killing me ever since.  Obviously I totally agree.  Keep an eye on Jordan Howard at the same spot.  Could be a nice consolation while getting defensive talent in the first two rounds.

 
massraider said:
My 4th round dream at RB

Alex Collins.  Look at his feet.  Quick steps, short cuts, always moving forward.  All his highlights are straight up the gut, imagine him behind Kelechi, Rodney, and Gabe.   :headbang:

His highlights remind me of Jamaal Charles coming out of school.  He is bigger than Charles (5'11'', 215) and not nearly as fast, but what I loved about Charles' highlights is his highlights were all up the gut, and involved compact, NFL-type cuts.  
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I like Kelvin Taylor of Florida in the 5th-7th rounds if we miss out on the earlier backs.  He is shifty and would be hard to find behind our Oline.

 
Toomuchnv said:
I like Kelvin Taylor of Florida in the 5th-7th rounds if we miss out on the earlier backs.  He is shifty and would be hard to find behind our Oline.
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Shhhhh.......quiet........was hoping he'd end up an Eagle sometime on Saturday afternoon.

 
massraider said:
My 4th round dream at RB

Alex Collins.  Look at his feet.  Quick steps, short cuts, always moving forward.  All his highlights are straight up the gut, imagine him behind Kelechi, Rodney, and Gabe.   :headbang:

His highlights remind me of Jamaal Charles coming out of school.  He is bigger than Charles (5'11'', 215) and not nearly as fast, but what I loved about Charles' highlights is his highlights were all up the gut, and involved compact, NFL-type cuts.  
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Good call out -- definitely quick feet on cuts and I like how he sees the field and chooses holes with misdirection 1-3 yards past scrimmage.

Don't know too much about him or Arkansas, but that highlight reel may not do him as much justice in that primarily what I saw was some incredible blocking from the line, and some typlical bad college tackling. Not taking anything away from Collins's game, but that line consistently pushed defenders back on their feet, set up well and blocked perfectly on the outside -- even in short goal situations, Collins looked like he ran through pretty much unchallenged thanks to an open lane.

1 Playyou saw some really great stop/start stutter from Collins, another where his quick feet got the play done, and another play where he drove the pile forward. The rest seemed to be superb blocking. Would have loved to see more on how he can use his size to move piles, how he seeks out contact, etc. 

But looks very strong. Between him in the mid rounds and Prosise/Booker/Dixon in the second/early third, who would you prefer? Booker seems like more of a complement to Murray given that he brings some hardnosed N/S running style. 

 
^^^ Lots of Rd 3-6 RB prospects in this draft that could prove to be very productive NFL players:

Devontae Booker

Paul Perkins

Kenny Dixon

Alex Collins

Jonathan Williams

Kenyon Drake

Keith Marshall

Here's hoping Dallas, Baltimore, Cleveland, NYG, Chicago and Miami are thinking the same way. ;-)

 
I think there is a real chance Eze falls to Oakland.  Dallas can get a better player at their spot.  Baltimore can land a stud at more needy and important positions.  Cleveland is clueless.  Chicago and Miami have more pressing needs, though Miami may be the biggest threat.  Giants are right in the perfect spot for the pass rushing gold rush and pick too high IMO.  Here's hoping the Fins go pass rusher.  The devaluation of the RB may just be a blessing this year.  Eze is a very good prospect, but he's no Gurley or Peterson and shouldn't be a top 10 pick but inside 15.  He is very good, but not great (I think he is a better Knowshon Moreno).  A big step up for Oakland though as a perfect, 3 down bellcow where very little BPA meets need aside from him.  

 
Cookiemonster said:
I think there is a real chance Eze falls to Oakland.  Dallas can get a better player at their spot.  Baltimore can land a stud at more needy and important positions.  Cleveland is clueless.  Chicago and Miami have more pressing needs, though Miami may be the biggest threat.  Giants are right in the perfect spot for the pass rushing gold rush and pick too high IMO.  Here's hoping the Fins go pass rusher.  The devaluation of the RB may just be a blessing this year.  Eze is a very good prospect, but he's no Gurley or Peterson and shouldn't be a top 10 pick but inside 15.  He is very good, but not great (I think he is a better Knowshon Moreno).  A big step up for Oakland though as a perfect, 3 down bellcow where very little BPA meets need aside from him.  
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way to throw cold water on the excitement ;)

 
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It is amazing what happens to fill the 24 hour news cycle.  Decided to fire up the TV in my office for the first time in forever and NFLN has some kind of "round table" mock draft going on (quite a sexist one too by the looks of it).  It looks like the nine men at the table (the lone female correspondent is charged with placing name placards on the silly big board) are taking turns selecting players for each NFL team.  Seriously, who cares who Maurice Jones-Drew thinks the Raiders will draft?  I bet every single person in this thread (and the woman on the big board) has as much insight, if not more, into how the Raiders draft will unfold.

I so rarely watch NFLN, ESPN or really any network television at this point.  Is this the really the norm?

MJD went with Robert Nkemdicrazypants

 
joey said:
way to throw cold water on the excitement ;)
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I did say a better Moreno.  Both great in the receiving department, OUTSTANDING in blitz pickup and high effort runners.  Zeke is a better runner and if Moreno was a tad quicker and a step faster, he would have been a Pro Bowl RB.  Elliot is a much better runner than Moreno and appears to be more durable as well.  Didn't mean that comment to be a knock on him but I think your winky-face indicated that you got it.  Just clarifying for anyone else reading.

ETA -- I think as a runner, he is a 20-25 pick but the fact that he is such a good blocker makes him a day 1 starter with no time needed to transition and that bumps him up about 10 slots.

 
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We'll see in about 25 hours, but I just don't think Eze falls to us. All the teams you mention -- Dallas, Giants, Cleveland, Chicago, Miami -- are all in need of a back as much as other spots. Can see Jerry Jones going for him just for the splashy media play alone.

The fact that Elliott is in a tier by himself, and that he adds everything to the table (complete 3 down back, can block well, soft hands, can handle the workload, fights hard for extra yards and can pound as much as he is quick on his feet slashing the other way on counters) only adds to his value as he can and will be a day 1 starter.

While you are absolutely right that RBs are devalued in drafts given availability, the NFL has moved away from a traditional I formation 3-down FB-led run first offense, just the all-roundedness of Elliott justifies a Top 10 pick.

That, with the added buzz that continues to have built leading up to the draft, only heightens the chance a team grabs him before us.

Aside from those who think we should absolutely not waste a 14 on an RB with so many available rounds 2-4:

If Zeke is there for us by some miracle at 14, would you grab him without thought? Who are the guys you would take over Elliott if they are there?

For me, if Hargreaves is also somehow there, no brainer over Elliott. Between Rankins and Elliott, Rankins by a hair if only because of need, but can't shake that that might be a decision I'd regret for the rest of my life. Would take Elliott over Stanley. 

 
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Rankins is not one of my top DTs, and I'm not really high on any CB in this draft not named Jalen Ramsey, so yes.  Elliot is my no-brainer pick for their spot unless you think a guy like Karl Joseph is worth a top 15 pick (I do) or if Myles Jack or Tunsil slide (not likely, but, but . . . Aaron Rogers).  I also like Vernon Butler nearly that much, so if a DT is as important to you as RB you could make a case for your favorite one.

ETA -- I think the Raiders are built much like the Cowboys right now.  They have all of the offensive pieces in place with a very good O line.  Any RB will do, but a top RB will do better.  Also like the Cowboys, there are still some holes on D.  A stud DT, a top OLB like Lee or a top S like Joseph would make the biggest difference in this team (weakest link of the chain), along with the RB improvement.

I don't think the CBs in this draft are much better than Amerson.  They would probably be an improvement to the nickel or dime packages.  They could take a WR and upgrade at #3 and 4 but I don't think either of those options improve the team as much as Elliot.

 
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I've got some stock in Oakland having Carr and Cooper, so I'm really hoping this draft is something special for you kids by the bay. Everything I've read/heard is that the arrow is pointing straight up. Thanks to all you homeboys for providing all the chatter in here! Great to see and feel so much positive and optimistic vibes in here!! GO RAID-AHS!

 
Is it bad if Darron Lee is now at the top of my wish list (right after Eze, actually, but not expecting him to be there)?

Feels like a fast, sideline to sidelines MLB that we've been missing to make our front 7 scary as hell.

 
 Oakland Raiders -- Houston CB William Jackson III

Vic Tafur of the San Francisco Chronicle is one of the best on the Raiders' beat and believes Jackson is squarely in play for Oakland's pick at 14. The Raiders acknowledged 2013 first-rounder D.J. Hayden is a bust when they benched him last season. Adding Jackson to David Amerson and Sean Smith would give the Raiders a strong trio in a league where three cornerbacks are needed because teams play their sub-package 70-plus percent of the time. It would also allow T.J. Carrie to focus on safety full time, bookending Reggie Nelson.

 
I'm a big believer that the LATE rumors are the true ones.  

Cowboys getting Zeke or Ramsey

Buckner to SF?

Floyd to Giants

Hargeaves and Jack falling

Raiders like Nkemdiche

Saints might make a big difference to us.  They have been mocked a lot of players the Raiders could use, and have interest in Lynch.  I am hoping they pass on Rankins and Lynch, and take Lawson or someone else.  Best chance of a Raider trade down is if Lynch is still there.  

Unless Myles Jack is there, in which case we don't trade down at all.  

 
massraider said:
I'm a big believer that the LATE rumors are the true ones.  

Cowboys getting Zeke or Ramsey

Buckner to SF?

Floyd to Giants

Hargeaves and Jack falling

Raiders like Nkemdiche

Saints might make a big difference to us.  They have been mocked a lot of players the Raiders could use, and have interest in Lynch.  I am hoping they pass on Rankins and Lynch, and take Lawson or someone else.  Best chance of a Raider trade down is if Lynch is still there.  

Unless Myles Jack is there, in which case we don't trade down at all.  
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If Hargreaves and Jack are still on the board, and the word on Jack is similar to what's been circulating the last 24 hours or so (that he'll be good to play, but likely will need another microfracture surgery in the future), which do you take?

 
Moonshine said:
If Hargreaves and Jack are still on the board, and the word on Jack is similar to what's been circulating the last 24 hours or so (that he'll be good to play, but likely will need another microfracture surgery in the future), which do you take?
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Well, it's a small quibble, but I have not heard 'likely'.  I have heard 'possible'.

Let's look at it this way:  If my doctors say, ''Yeah, he may have trouble down the road, he's not playing 12 years, he may only play 8 years...''  he's my pick.  I take Jack.  Because you can find other corners you like.  Next year, next free agency as well.  I dunno when the next Myles Jack is coming around.  True 3-down off the ball LB, will be a top 3 coverage LB the first day he shows up.  #14 pick for that?  All day long.  

Lot of ways I am happy in this draft, honestly.  Rankins, Jack, one of the corners.

If Jack's not there, and NO takes Rankins, I'm hoping for a trade down, and a CB.  

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Love the way Joseph plays -- is he really worth a #14 pick? Most mocks I see have him going very late R1/first half R2.
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:thumbup:

If he were ready to run his 40 (I would expect a 4.45-4.55) and play day one, he'd be a certain top 15 pick.  Likely to miss the first few weeks is the only reason he falls.  I'm fine with that, as it takes about 1/2 of the season for them to be confident in their play calls and assignments.  He can be getting mental reps and film study without actually running.  I want him for the Steelers at 1.25 and the Raiders being my second favorite team, I'd even be OK with them spending a 1st on him.

 
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Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Love the way Joseph plays -- is he really worth a #14 pick? Most mocks I see have him going very late R1/first half R2.
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If he is a good player, he's worth the #14 pick. 

Mid 1st rounders are a coin flip, so if we get a good player, it was a good pick.  Could we trade down and get him?  Maybe.  I think so, but what do I know?

Also, the way this draft is playing out, after about pick #9, there are 20 guys that seem to be rated high.  So, I'm not sure #14 is much different than #25.

If we want Joseph, I hope someone wants an OT, or Lynch.  That's the most likely trade up targets for us, I think.  

NY rumor has Giants taking an OT, which is GREAT for us.  

 
massraider said:
If he is a good player, he's worth the #14 pick. 

Mid 1st rounders are a coin flip, so if we get a good player, it was a good pick.  Could we trade down and get him?  Maybe.  I think so, but what do I know?

Also, the way this draft is playing out, after about pick #9, there are 20 guys that seem to be rated high.  So, I'm not sure #14 is much different than #25.

If we want Joseph, I hope someone wants an OT, or Lynch.  That's the most likely trade up targets for us, I think.  

NY rumor has Giants taking an OT, which is GREAT for us.  
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I've seen Conklin, Stanley, Lynch, Floyd and Doctson all rumored to go before us. I'd be giddy if that came to fruition.

Edit: Ryan Kelly as well, but I find that one far less likely

 
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Chaka said:
Am I the only one who is baffled to keep hearing this rumor?

Does he really seem like a Reggie pick?  Anything can happen but that one just stands out as bizarre.
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Nope, right there with you.

By the way, funny the difference a round makes.  If we got Nkemdiche or Ragland in round 2, I'd be all like: :headbang:

 
Looking more into Nkemdiche, his (lack of) production is a big red flag when combined with the off-field drama. I hope we pass.

Would MUCH rather have Rankins. I love reading about how the only knock on him is that he's too short. Well so is Aaron Donald. So wish we'd drafted Grady Jarrett last year in rd 4 instead of pear-shaped Feliciano, so we wouldn't have to have this conversation. Donald/Jarrett/Rankins are exactly the type of player we need at 3-technique to complete the talent across our DLine.

 
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I have an idea.  

*ahem*

I believe there is NO WAY Myles Jack is available at #14.
I believe there is NO WAY Karl Joseph lasts until our pick in the 2nd round.
I believe there is NO WAY the Raiders are able to trade down in the 1st, and gain a 2nd or 3rd round pick.  NO WAY that happens.
I believe there is NO WAY the Raiders draft Jaylon Smith in the 4th round.  NO WAY.

 
massraider said:
I have an idea.  

*ahem*

I believe there is NO WAY Myles Jack is available at #14.
I believe there is NO WAY Karl Joseph lasts until our pick in the 2nd round.
I believe there is NO WAY the Raiders are able to trade down in the 1st, and gain a 2nd or 3rd round pick.  NO WAY that happens.
I believe there is NO WAY the Raiders draft Jaylon Smith in the 4th round.  NO WAY.
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Reverse psychology, I like it.

 
massraider said:
I have an idea.  

*ahem*

I believe there is NO WAY Myles Jack is available at #14.
I believe there is NO WAY Karl Joseph lasts until our pick in the 2nd round.
I believe there is NO WAY the Raiders are able to trade down in the 1st, and gain a 2nd or 3rd round pick.  NO WAY that happens.
I believe there is NO WAY the Raiders draft Jaylon Smith in the 4th round.  NO WAY.
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I believe we'll know the answer to the 1st and 3rd one in a few hours.

And maybe the 2nd one too.

DROP THE PUCK!!!!!

(wrong sport, sorry).

 
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2016/4/28/11531920/oakland-raiders-2016-nfl-draft-radar-all-positions-by-round?utm_campaign=silverandblackpride&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

After covering each of the top need positions for the Raiders, we are now at draft day when the Raiders must choose from the players still available on their board. That can limit the names who fall under their radar because many of those players will be gone by the time they pick. For instance, if they had their absolute choice of anyone, the top of their draft board would have the likes of Jalen Ramsey, DeForest Buckner, Laremy Tunsil, and Joey Bosa.

But since we must work at least somewhat within the confines of the reality of having the 14th pick, we move past those guys and on to some others. That's where we start the Raider Draft Radar and continue round by round.


Round 1


Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State
Myles Jack, LB, UCLA
Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson
Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State
Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville
Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida
Chris Jones, DT, Mississippi


 


Round 4


Devontae Booker, RB, Utah
Miles Killebrew, S, Southern Utah
Kalan Reed, CB, Southern Miss


Round 5


Daniel Lasco, RB, Cal
Daniel Braverman, WR, Western Michigan
Javon Hargrave, DT, South Carolina State
Aaron Wallace, OLB, UCLA
Ryan Smith, North Carolina Central
Demarcus Ayers, WR, Houston


 

Tyler Ervin, RB, San Jose State
Brandon Marshall, WR, Oregon
Brandon Shell, OT, South Carolina
Steven Weatherby, OLB, Vanderbilt
Anthony Brown, CB, Purdue


Round 7


Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida
Jonathan Woodard, DE, Central Arkansas
Luke Rhodes, ILB, William & Mary
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I don't think I've ever seen a black Mormon till I just saw Ragland get interviewed on the red carpet.

Ragland looks like he drinks a glass of milk before hitting the hay around 10:00 pm.  

 
Regardless- I really don't want Ragland. We need a MLB who can cover.

I been busy today- so only glancing at reports but I saw a guy who no one was talking about being in the top 10 getting late buzz about going in the top 10 which I am all for cause then the chances of someone that shouldn't drop to 14 will drop to 14 is greater.

 
Anyone else have this unnatural sense of relaxation knowing that Reggie is going to do the right thing?

The draft was such a nerve racking experience 3-13 years ago...

 
Garrett said:
Anyone else have this unnatural sense of relaxation knowing that Reggie is going to do the right thing?

The draft was such a nerve racking experience 3-13 years ago...
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Feeling of defeat for the first three rounds before it even started, you mean?

 
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