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TOTALLY agree....four picks to go....

Spense would have been a good target as well. What about Billings? Jarran Reed and A'Shawn Robinson still there, too. 

As is Derrick Henry, now that other RBs have gone.

Ragland still there, too.

 
I wouldn't rule out a tackle prospect here either (Jason Spriggs from Indiana is legit).  Penn and Howard are far from young...

 
Good thing Ragland is gone, that takes away potential regret of us picking an LB out of need. Maybe we go after Scooby Wright in the 3rd if we get Alexander or Bullard/Billings.

 
Exact same thing as last year.  DL I didn't want, with others sitting there.  

Hope it works out the same.  Do not like this pick.

 
Thought for sure we were going to take Alexander -- would have been sweet with the CB/CB selection by Willie Brown.

Why is Alexander slipping? This seems like a mistake to me too. This guy Ward is was a receiver and safety to start college, only moving to DE his junior year. Seems like an athlete work-in-progress. Why go there instead of a proven guy at an area of need?

Disappointed.

 
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Reggie is going out on a limb, but he has earned that right.  He get's dialed in on what he calls "country strong"; I'm guessing this is in that same vein.

It worked out great with Gabe Jackson.  I honestly don't know anything about this kid, but 15 seconds of film and he looks like a cave troll.

 
Garrett said:
Reggie is going out on a limb, but he has earned that right.  He get's dialed in on what he calls "country strong"; I'm guessing this is in that same vein.

It worked out great with Gabe Jackson.  I honestly don't know anything about this kid, but 15 seconds of film and he looks like a cave troll.
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This also makes me a little more concerned about the long term status of Mario Edwards...

 
In Reggie We Trust.

Do like the position.  Thing about him is, they say raw as heck.  Needs to get it figured out.  OK, sounds good to me.  But I would have taken Bullard.  

Can we just draft Javon Kearse?

 
Garrett said:
They didn't hesitate on the clock either; he was clearly the target.
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Wonder if this was also out of urgency -- Lawson gone yesterday, and a lot more ends this round in Ogbah, Dodd, Spense, and Correa taken today.

Did we just get worried about the run on ends, missing higher value at other positions?

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Wonder if this was also out of urgency -- Lawson gone yesterday, and a lot more ends this round in Ogbah, Dodd, Spense, and Correa taken today.

Did we just get worried about the run on ends, missing higher value at other positions?
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Different players.  Those are all edge guys.  Ward is definitely more of a DT, or base end at most.  

 
Mayock described him as a much better life story than player right now. 

Ouch, but he went on to talk about lots of physical potential there... so I'll mentally focus on that. 

 
John Middlekauff ‏@JohnMiddlekauff nowText from scout on Ward "good player, lot of upside. Can play multiple positions like Justin Tuck. Should fill his role" #Raiders

 
llinois Career:

Ward is a self-made man. He was born to a 17-year-old mother (why he wore No. 17), played wide receiver at his Philadelphia high school and then attended a little-known junior college in New York City (Globe Tech), where he overcame huge obstacles. He had a multi-hour commute from his Jersey apartment to downtown New York, and he and his teammates worked out at a Bally Total Fitness. Though he was still raw as a defensive lineman, Ward immediately became the best-looking prospect on the Illinois roster and was immediately inserted into the starting lineup. 

While the 6-foot-5, 296-pound defensive lineman didn't put up eye-popping stats at Illinois -- in two seasons at Illinois, he accrued 104 tackles, 12.0 tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks, five fumble recoveries and three forced fumbles -- the high school wideout and former junior college defensive lineman has the size, athleticism, upside, versatility (he played end and tackle) and work ethic that intrigues NFL teams that run both 3-4 and 4-3 defenses.

Ward barely scratched the surface of his ability at Illinois. If you want to see his potential, turn on the Iowa film. Ward dominated the line of scrimmage, setting and edge and chasing Iowa's skill players downfield for some big hits. His NFL team must refine his technique, but it will get a physical specimen who will show up every day with the perseverance to reach his high upside.

Expert Breakdown: “A powerfully built defensive lineman with both strength and quickness to play anywhere along an even or odd front. Ward is still developing physically and filling out his frame after days of being a high school receiver. Has unique tools that cannot be taught and has as much upside as any player in the draft.” – Nolan Nawrocki, NFL Draft 2016 Preview

Ward Says: “At the end of the day, the field is your resume. So you just got to give it your all, give it all you got and make a statement. Once you go to the next level, I haven't done nothing. Once you go to your first practice, first training camp, I got to prove myself early, start fresh and be one of the best d-lineman in the NFL and play my part so I can make whatever team I go to better."

 
adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl 9s10 seconds agoSource said #Raiders 2nd-round pick Jihad Ward figures to line up at DE in base, 3-tech DT in sub package.

 
massraider said:
Different players.  Those are all edge guys.  Ward is definitely more of a DT, or base end at most.  
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OK, thanks, just going by listed position, honestly don't know much about Ward. And if we are looking for someone to help in the middle, why not Bullard or A'Shawn Robinson, or Reed, or Billings?

Hey, I get it -- that's their guy and I'm OK with trusting them. But still seems like a reach/headscratcher to me.

 
OVERVIEW


Considering that Jihad (pronounced juh-HODD) Ward went from receiver/safety to the defensive line during his time in junior college, the sky's the limit once he really knows what to do with his size and strength. He was an honorable mention All-Big Ten selection by league coaches (51 tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss, three sacks, four fumble recoveries) in his first season with the Illini, playing inside and outside and using his huge wingspan to swallow ball carriers. Ward, who wears jersey number 17 because that was his mothers age when he was born, didnt have the same production as a senior (3.5 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks) but still earned honorable mention notice due to his strong play.

 


PRO DAY RESULTS

 
40-yard dash: 5.07 seconds 
Vertical: 28 inches 
Broad jump: 9 feet, 2 inches 
Short shuttle: 4.86 seconds 
3-cone drill: 7.3 seconds 
Bench: 22 reps of 225 pounds

ANALYSIS



STRENGTHS

 Can play both end spots and has bumped down inside to tackle as well. Has room for even more muscle on his frame. Great effort throughout the play and will continue his chase until whistle blows. Length and down­-the­-line quickness give him expanded playmaking range. Urgent closing burst to the ball. Full force tackler with thump behind his pads. Keeps feet moving and active throughout his pass rush. Can become a quality edge-­setter with a little lower pad level. Has some pass rush reps showing ankle flexion to turn corner at 45-degree angle. Wont let tight ends punk him. Better pick man than twister in tackle/end and end/tackle twists. Traits are there and teams likely to be patient with his development.

WEAKNESSES

 Has tools to set a harder edge but isn't there yet. Inconsistent contact balance. Lays on blocks longer than he should. Needs to keep working on controlling the rep with better hand work. Long legs get caught up in trash around the line of scrimmage. Below average at protecting against cut blocks. Instincts very much a work in progress. Could use nasty glass­-eater mentality at point of attack. Doesnt flash the mean to impose his will. Not a natural counter puncher as pass rusher once initial try is stuffed. Won't always accelerate into contact as pass rusher limiting his power potential.

DRAFT PROJECTION

 Rounds 2 or 3

BOTTOM LINE

 Above average athleticism for a man his size and he has the effort level that should lead to continued improvement in the areas where he is deficient. Ward is a developmental prospect who has the size to fit as a 4-­3 base end or defensive tackle and as a 3­-4 defensive end. Is he mean enough to play inside though? He might need a position coach to draw that out of him while he continues to develop.
 
massraider said:
llinois Career:

Ward is a self-made man. He was born to a 17-year-old mother (why he wore No. 17), played wide receiver at his Philadelphia high school and then attended a little-known junior college in New York City (Globe Tech), where he overcame huge obstacles. He had a multi-hour commute from his Jersey apartment to downtown New York, and he and his teammates worked out at a Bally Total Fitness. Though he was still raw as a defensive lineman, Ward immediately became the best-looking prospect on the Illinois roster and was immediately inserted into the starting lineup. 

While the 6-foot-5, 296-pound defensive lineman didn't put up eye-popping stats at Illinois -- in two seasons at Illinois, he accrued 104 tackles, 12.0 tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks, five fumble recoveries and three forced fumbles -- the high school wideout and former junior college defensive lineman has the size, athleticism, upside, versatility (he played end and tackle) and work ethic that intrigues NFL teams that run both 3-4 and 4-3 defenses.

Ward barely scratched the surface of his ability at Illinois. If you want to see his potential, turn on the Iowa film. Ward dominated the line of scrimmage, setting and edge and chasing Iowa's skill players downfield for some big hits. His NFL team must refine his technique, but it will get a physical specimen who will show up every day with the perseverance to reach his high upside.

Expert Breakdown: “A powerfully built defensive lineman with both strength and quickness to play anywhere along an even or odd front. Ward is still developing physically and filling out his frame after days of being a high school receiver. Has unique tools that cannot be taught and has as much upside as any player in the draft.” – Nolan Nawrocki, NFL Draft 2016 Preview

Ward Says: “At the end of the day, the field is your resume. So you just got to give it your all, give it all you got and make a statement. Once you go to the next level, I haven't done nothing. Once you go to your first practice, first training camp, I got to prove myself early, start fresh and be one of the best d-lineman in the NFL and play my part so I can make whatever team I go to better."
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Sounds like he has the drive to develop.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Wonder if this was also out of urgency -- Lawson gone yesterday, and a lot more ends this round in Ogbah, Dodd, Spense, and Correa taken today.

Did we just get worried about the run on ends, missing higher value at other positions?
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It's possible, but Reggie doesn't strike me as a guy who gets too worked up in the moment.  His plan from day one was slow and methodical, and we really haven't seen anything byut that since.

 
Garrett said:
It's possible, but Reggie doesn't strike me as a guy who gets too worked up in the moment.  His plan from day one was slow and methodical, and we really haven't seen anything byut that since.
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Reggie has earned my respect and benefit of the doubt, but not sure how any of us could see a slow and methodical plan through this draft, or how reactions and draft situations affect conversations in that war room without being there.

Either way, this draft will unfold whether I like it or not. And I like it in terms of the positions we're getting. Just think there were better/surer starting prospects there for us in RD2 than Ward. 

 
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